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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast The You'll miss the magic of

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Speaker 1: these good old days. Addition, as I play ten teammates

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Speaker 1: in a hat with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, The

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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light. Seltzer refreshed

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Speaker 1: the game and here's a quick reminder that you can

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Speaker 1: thing since anything your kid makes for you on Father's Day.

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Speaker 1: In addition to giving me a nice gift, my son

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Speaker 1: Sam made me a Father's Day card. He didn't need

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Speaker 1: to get me the gift. If you're a parent, you

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Speaker 1: know there's nothing better than receiving something that your child

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Speaker 1: makes specifically for you. When I was still a base

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Speaker 1: ball broadcaster and went on long road trips, my then

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Speaker 1: four year old son asked my wife Peg the following question.

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Speaker 1: If I wrote Daddy a note, could we send it

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Speaker 1: to him on the road. She said sure, and I

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Speaker 1: received it at my hotel on the final day of

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Speaker 1: the team's road trip. At that point, Sam hadn't quite

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Speaker 1: basically looked like a long strand of letters. I grabbed

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Speaker 1: a pen and paper and was able to decipher it.

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Speaker 1: It read as follows, Hey Daddy, I am sending a

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Speaker 1: note to you. Do you know how many years old

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Speaker 1: yoda is? I will tell you nine hundred? Love Sam,

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Speaker 1: how is your trip? May you bring me a surprise?

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Speaker 1: That note is prominently displayed above my desk at home,

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Speaker 1: I said, there's nothing better than getting something homemade from

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Speaker 1: your kids. Now, let's get to this week's feature. Four

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Speaker 1: years ago, I started doing a weekly segment on the

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Speaker 1: radio during the baseball season called ten Teammates and a Hat.

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Speaker 1: I quickly realized I had stumbled into radio gold. Here's

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Speaker 1: how it works. I go through a player's bio and

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Speaker 1: ask my guests to randomly select ten. He then shares

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Speaker 1: memories about each former teammate he draws. The segment works

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Speaker 1: best with players who have had long careers in a

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Speaker 1: wide variety of teammates, and my guests have included Johnny Bench,

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Speaker 1: Pete Rose, Joey Vado, and Dusty Baker, among others, and

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Speaker 1: they seem to enjoy it as much as I do.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time to bring the ten teammates feature to football.

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Speaker 1: Since NFL careers don't typically last as long as Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball careers, I've decided to go through a player's

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Speaker 1: each season he played up First a Bengal from nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy four through nineteen eighty three and a member of

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Speaker 1: to play ten teammates in a hat with a great storyteller,

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Speaker 1: my broadcast partner, Dave Lappham. You played pro football for

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Speaker 1: twelve years, ten in the NFL, two in the USFL,

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Speaker 1: and I've written down the names of two teammates from

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Speaker 1: and put them in a baseball hat. You are going

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Speaker 1: to randomly pick out ten and share some stories. Are

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Speaker 1: you ready to play ten teammates in a hat? Ready

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Speaker 1: to rock and roll? Dan? Here we go, all right,

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Speaker 1: Here comes teammate number one with Dave Lappham Teammate number

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Speaker 1: one nineteen eighty Bengal Jim Breach, the all time leading

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Speaker 1: scorer for the Cincinnati Bengals. Kicker extraordinaire got him from

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. And the thing I remember most about Jim

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Speaker 1: Now he could play. He was a point guard in

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Speaker 1: it would be the seventy seven Bengals. Pat mcinnelly, Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, Where do I begin With Pat mcinelley. All

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Speaker 1: I can say is Pat mcinnelley and I used to

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Speaker 1: So Pat mcinally was just so intelligent. I mean, he could,

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Speaker 1: So he goes out there and punts. We have an

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Speaker 1: And at that point Forrest greg was all in on

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Speaker 1: Pat mcinelly, all in when he was busting your chops

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Speaker 1: Pat mcinelle's advice to kids. Every every newspaper that he

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Speaker 1: Everybody has their own story and the wrong way of

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to former teammate number three with lap.

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Speaker 1: Former teammate number three eighty one Bengals Chris Collinsworth. Chris Collinsworth,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, where do I begin with this guy? You know,

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Speaker 1: and he was a golly shocks lge, you know kind

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Speaker 1: of guy. And Forrest greg had a great line about him.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Chris Collinsworth, country, you kidding me? The only

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Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth knows exactly what's going on and and exactly

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Speaker 1: He said. Next thing I know, he was right up

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Speaker 1: that was my rookie year, nineteen seventy four. And Trump

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Speaker 1: was at his at his peak Pro Bowl tight end.

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Speaker 1: You know, they talk about these tight ends today that

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Speaker 1: the coaches will disengage and users wide receivers. Bill Walsh

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Speaker 1: was doing that with Bob Trumpy back in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: early seventies, well before nineteen seventy four. I mean Trumpy

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Speaker 1: a couple of seasons he averaged seventeen eighteen yards to catch.

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Speaker 1: I mean he would stretch the field, just an unbelievably

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Speaker 1: gifted athlete. Big tall, I mean his shoulders look like

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Speaker 1: coat hangers. I mean broad shoulders and more than adequate blocker.

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Speaker 1: I know Jack Hamm, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Trump, he

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Speaker 1: had immense amount of respect for each other because Trump

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Speaker 1: could Trump could block on the edge, you know, and

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Speaker 1: that he was really really gifted as a receiver down

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Speaker 1: the football field, and before Kellen Winslow in the eighties

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Speaker 1: and you know all these receivers that we're talking about

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Speaker 1: in today's football. Bob Trump, he was doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of this stuff in the way back machine. So another

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Speaker 1: guy that's a very gifted player college basketball, could have

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Speaker 1: played basketball in Illinois and just a very very very

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Speaker 1: sharp guy. And then of course, obviously everything he did

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Speaker 1: in the broadcast world, the father of sports stock radio,

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Speaker 1: godfather of Sportstok radio here in Cincinnati, and then all

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Speaker 1: his work in NBC covering not just football but the

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Speaker 1: Olympics and every sport, just like Chris Collins, were followed.

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Speaker 1: And those footsteps that that Trump he paved. So very

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Speaker 1: very talented guy, very gifted guy as well. And the

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Speaker 1: one thing about Bob Trump, he is Glenn Cameron. Bob

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Speaker 1: Trump and I would would be on the plane just

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Speaker 1: to pass time and pick a topic and have a debate,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was great, man. It was unbelievable

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Speaker 1: how what guys would end up thinking about and taking

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Speaker 1: an opposite perspective, and you know, would trade and then finish,

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Speaker 1: finish the subject, and then everybody take the opposite side

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Speaker 1: of it or something different than was talked about and

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Speaker 1: hit it again, and that made the time go by

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Speaker 1: pretty fast on the planes. Two smart guys, and I

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Speaker 1: really really enjoyed doing that kind of thing with those guys.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have a tape of that time to

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Speaker 1: reach into the hatch for former teammate number nine, number nine,

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Anthony Munio's quite simply the best athlete over

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds I've seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: I mean that guy. He was best show in every

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Speaker 1: sense of the word. You know. All he did was

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Speaker 1: playing a National championship baseball team at USC third base

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Speaker 1: relief picture and then perennial pro bowler told him buy

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Speaker 1: a condo out in Hawaii. He going there every year,

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Speaker 1: he might as well, might as well go enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: He was just just incredible gifted. And I remember when

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Speaker 1: he first got drafted. He had big hair at the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, a big, big afro type hair doing and

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Speaker 1: just a massive man, just over three hundred pounds at

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Speaker 1: that point in time, and filled up the doorway. Man.

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Speaker 1: He eclipsed the sun. There wasn't any day like coming

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Speaker 1: around it. And then we went out on the field

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Speaker 1: to practice the first time it's like he's moving like

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Speaker 1: a two hundred and five pounds safety. You know, I'm like, come,

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Speaker 1: this guy is different now, just incredibly gifted. When he

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Speaker 1: rolled his hips and snapped his hips, oh my gosh, man,

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Speaker 1: it was like a force of nature. He would just

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Speaker 1: he was an incredible guy. And just call him the Eraser.

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Speaker 1: Jim Nally said, you know, we got the ar and

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Speaker 1: now we'll figure out what we do with everybody else.

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Speaker 1: And everybody else is going to get some help because

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Speaker 1: the Erasi doesn't need any was. It was just such

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Speaker 1: a weapon to have. And as everybody knows, as great

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Speaker 1: a football player, he's even a better human being, which

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Speaker 1: is almost impossible to define, you know, because he's such

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Speaker 1: a high level and just he's interested in doing everything

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Speaker 1: he can to make his fellow man better. And his

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Speaker 1: foundation just celebrated the twentieth year what he's done to

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Speaker 1: help kids and educate kids. And that's that's Anthony Minels

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Speaker 1: to a t. He's just just a one of a kind.

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Speaker 1: He's all I can think of if I had to

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Speaker 1: pick one word, and it's almost impossible, but I think

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Speaker 1: I'd pick special because you can take it so many ways,

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Speaker 1: so many different directions. But he's a guy that you

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Speaker 1: can learn a lot from and first and foremost how

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Speaker 1: to treat fellow human beings because he is. He is

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Speaker 1: the most consistently good hearted person I've ever met in

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Speaker 1: my life. I've never heard him degrade anybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: take the dark side on anything. He's an amazing guy,

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Speaker 1: he really is. We started out with twenty four slips

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Speaker 1: of paper in the baseball hat. You've selected nine one

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Speaker 1: to go as we wrap up ten teammates in a hat.

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Speaker 1: This is fun, Dan, It's fun for me, trust me,

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Speaker 1: all right. Seventy seven Bengals. Pete Johnson man, Oh h,

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Speaker 1: that's what I think when I think about Pete Johnson. Boy,

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Speaker 1: that guy just a genetic freak six feet maybe and

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Speaker 1: would play at two eighty. I mean he'd play. He

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Speaker 1: was he'd weigh more than most of the offensive and

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. But we play Bengal basketball and he'd stand

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Speaker 1: under the basket and dunk without without a start, drill,

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Speaker 1: just stand under and flush it ridiculous, ridiculous. He was

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Speaker 1: just amazing. And uh, he's such a powerful runner. He

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Speaker 1: was our guy in Super Bowl sixteen and as an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you wanted to make sure that you move people,

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Speaker 1: because if you didn't, Pete was gonna run right up

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Speaker 1: your backside and he'd put a hole that where you

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Speaker 1: don't want a hole in your backside. I mean, he'd

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Speaker 1: literally gorge you. But the thing is, with that size,

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Speaker 1: the athletic ability to explose them. And I talked about

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Speaker 1: with him being able to dunk a basketball, he could catch.

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Speaker 1: He ran good rousts out of the back, very very easy,

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Speaker 1: catch you over both shoulders, catch with his hands. You know,

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Speaker 1: he could he could block one asked too. He was.

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Speaker 1: He was an unbelievably gifted athlete. But yeah, Pete Johnson was.

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Speaker 1: I think Forrest Gregg loved Pete Johnson and we felt

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Speaker 1: like he gave us a huge edge whenever it got

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Speaker 1: you know, nasty weather. Who the hell wants to tackle

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Speaker 1: that beast? We and we knew in the AFC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers at that time, the San Diego

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Speaker 1: Chargers did not want any part of tackling that behemoth.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, you know, wrap your arms and take him.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You couldn't wrap around this big old dude.

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Speaker 1: I mean, his trunk was massive and he ran with

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Speaker 1: you know, like six feet tall, ran with a good

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Speaker 1: low pad level. And Pete was a unbelievably talented football

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Speaker 1: player and great teammate, a great sense of humor, big laugh,

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Speaker 1: kept the locker room loose. But it was an interesting

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Speaker 1: dynamic because Archie and Pete were on that team together.

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Speaker 1: Archie was the two time Heisman Trophy winning superstar and

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Speaker 1: Pete block for him at Ohio State and then come

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Speaker 1: to the Cincinnati Bengals in the NFL. Pete took the

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Speaker 1: limelight and Archie was more of a you know, a

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Speaker 1: more backstage and both of them handled each other the situation,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the potential repercussions of it, as good

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Speaker 1: as it could possibly be handled. I admire both of

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Speaker 1: them for that. Archie Griffin was among the names you

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Speaker 1: did not pick out of the hat, along with greats

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Speaker 1: like Tim Krumery, Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie and many others.

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Speaker 1: But that was a great list and your stories were fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the time. I tell you then it

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Speaker 1: is when that's one thing when I sit back and

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Speaker 1: think about all the guys I played with, you know,

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Speaker 1: not just watched play, but played with over the years

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, really is. I mean, I can't. I gotta

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Speaker 1: pinch myself, you know, and say I actually was a

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Speaker 1: teammate of that guy. That's unreal. That's unreal when I

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Speaker 1: think about it. Really is talking about dreams do come true.

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