1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Senator Tommy Tuberville still won't lift 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: his military blockade even as the death toll rises in 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: the Middle East. We have a star studded show today 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: live from the Texas Tribune Fest. We have a super 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: fun forum I was part of, featuring MSNBC's Katie Fang 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: and Ali Batally, former New York City mayoral candidate and 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: the mayor of My Heart, Maya Wiley, and Sisters in 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Law's host Joyce fans. But first we have the host 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List fan favorite and my friend the 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Lincoln Projects, Rick Wilson. Welcome back to Fast Politics. Rick Wilson. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: Hey, MOLLI joung Fast. How are you this afternoon? 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Well, so I've been up since three am Mountain time. 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: I think it's mountain time, so that's ten thousand hours. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: Yes, and I rarely, I rarely sleep late, but I 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: was in bent till nine am this morning. It's a 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: beautiful fall Sunday day here in Florida. It got cool 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: and breezy, and I think the technical term for what 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: we've done all day today is a fuck all. 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: Nothing well. Our own lives may be okay, the state 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: of the world seems just absolutely beyond the pale. Everything 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: is just so incredibly fucked up. 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: In the last two days, Yeah, and look, I mean, 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel have really emphasized two 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: things in my mind, my usual snark in joking aside. 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: For a second, we had a rules based international order 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: for seventy years that worked, and when Trump took office, 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: he abandoned that. And while Joe Biden is president now, 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: the Republicans that are in the Trump Party have continued 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: to behave as if Trump is still president, and they've 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: abandoned it again. As much as they pay lip service 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: to Israel. The first thing they're doing at a moment 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: where there are American dead murder by Hamas and hostages 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: taken by Hamas, what are the Republicans doing. They're trying 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: to blame Joe Biden for some imaginary like, oh, we 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: paid for it tax dollars, American tax dollars. 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: It paints it's a travesing dollars. 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: And just to emphasize once again for the audience who 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: already know this, that is a lie told by the 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: August and right, it's. 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: From the Iran Deal nuclear deal, it was, it's money 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: that's in a South Korean bank account. 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: Money that's South Korea, right, owed Iran is it is 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: in a bank account in Qatar, and it is administered 46 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: for humanitarian and food aid only by the US Treasury. 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: None of it has actually been released yet. And the 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: idea that this attack somehow happened like three weeks ago 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: and they go, yeah, we got six billion dollars, let's 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: attack Israel. Oh bullshit. This attack wasn't planning for a 51 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: very life. 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: And I think what's important here is that what it did. 53 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: And I want to get to the Republican Congress right 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: now because that I think is the net of it 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of Republicans were like, this is the 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: worst thing that's ever happened. Also, it's it's Joe Biden's fault. 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: And you had Sarah Ronda Rona, McDaniel, ray Romney on 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: television saying this carnage is a great opportunity for Republicans. 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: It was like there wasn't even a second of like, 60 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: oh my god. It went straight to like how can 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: we politicize this? So I want you to talk about 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: there is right now no Speaker of the House. There 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: is a pro templar speaker who is very adorable and 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: stands on a crate. His politics suck, but he is 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: very short. 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: He isn't a magical tree. 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: He's very cute. Patrick McHenry, he's teeny teeny, stands on 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: a little crate. We're not making fun of him because 69 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: he's short. We're making fun of him because he's inevitably 70 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: a horrendous human being. But he could be the speaker 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: if he had the votes, but he doesn't. So it 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: looks like Keem Jeff was briefed. So now you have 73 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: two people, neither of whom are the speaker, neither of 74 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: whom are running the House of Representatives. 75 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: Discuss This is an example of the fundamental unseriousness of 76 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: today's maga Republican Party to go through a couple of 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: you and I talked about the separately the other day. 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: The fact that Republicans are trying to blame the Democrats 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: for Matt Gates and his hoarde Austin Kevin McCarthy is amazing, 80 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: first off, ludicrous to the extreme. The second part you're 81 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: seeing here is these are the same people who have 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: been all buddied up to Vladimir Putin for the last 83 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: year and a half since the initial invasion of Ukraine, 84 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, calling Ukrainians Nazis and every other way to 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: please Putin in the book, and suddenly you know they 86 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: see something. Well, you know, Putin's terrorist attacks are fine, 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: but the Hamas terrorist attacks, those draw they're so hypocritical 88 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: and so disconnected from again going back to what I 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: talked about in the beginning, a rules based world order 90 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: where American could be counted on to support its allies 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: and to stand up against its enemies, and to stand 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: up against nations and leaders and countries that behave like 93 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: either Russia or Hamas is doing right now. We're not 94 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: going to settle the Israeli Palestinian crisis on this podcast. 95 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: But what you have here is a moment where the 96 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: alliance between Hamas and Iran and between Hamas and Russia, 97 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: which they visited Russia, the leadership, the Hamas leadership visited 98 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: Russia in the spring of this year, and you ended 99 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: up with what clearly looks like a lot of Russian 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: drones being used. This thing was planned well in advance. 101 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: It did not come from. 102 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: But I don't want to get too stuck on foreign 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: policy just because I don't want to get over our 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: skis here and I don't think the people as much 105 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: as people love us for our foreign policy bona fides, 106 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: I would like to more move back to the republic 107 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: House because this week is going to be what they say, 108 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: what they say, what they call in French, a tremendous 109 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: shit show of the most epic precortions and only made 110 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: worse by what's not going. 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: To get just rusty, but I believe it's Imma de Monte, 112 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: which is like throwing shit around. Yeah, so let's. 113 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: Talk about that, because so there's going to be first, 114 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: there was going to be a televised debate on Fox News, 115 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: which I have to say, like they clearly were just like, 116 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: how can we get the most attention for this? Oh, 117 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I know Brent Behar will host a televised debate. And 118 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: then they were like, oh, that seems like too much. Okay, 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. I mean even that, 120 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: when I said that, I was like, has that ever 121 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: happened before? No, completely unprecedented. 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: Look, the idea, the idea that the Republican Caucus is 123 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: going to do anything except support Trump's Trump's weird trained monkey. 124 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan is utterly ridiculous. Yes, they would prefer Scalise. Yes, 125 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: they'll go in the in the caucus room and they'll say, Steve, 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: you're the greatest guy ever, and I love you. And 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, they recognize that the 128 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: bass looks at Scalise, who is by no means a moderate, 129 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: a little centrist. He's out there on the god damn 130 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: ragged edge. David without the baggage. Yeah, he's out there 131 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: on the ragged edge. He's not crazy enough. 132 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 133 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, though, man, that is the pure shit. That 134 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: is the uncut coke coming up from Bogata in the 135 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: fast boats. That is the real dude. That is the stuff. 136 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the uncut pure Jim Jordan. Jacket 137 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: list Jim the sort of rumpel Stiltskin of our current healthscape. 138 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: Another we fell up. 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Either way, it's a secret ballad the voting, So theoretically it's. 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: A secret ballot in the caucus. They're gonna know, believe 141 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: me that, But where they're gonna go to the floor, 142 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: they have to go to the floor. So it's gonna 143 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: be a ballot on the floor. They're gonna vote for 144 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: the guy on the floor. 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: So you think they really will make Jim Jordan the 146 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: speaker because and I mean, if that happens, see, I 147 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: feel like it's too much of a democratic fever dream, 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: Like come on, elect the craziest person you've ever fucking 149 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: thought of. Like it seems too crazy, but you think 150 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. 151 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's gonna happen, every fucking one, 152 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: Because here's the theory that everybody should internalize in their heads. 153 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: And it took me a long time to get there 154 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: as a former Republican. Okay, there are no good guys 155 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: left in the party, none of them, even the ones 156 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: in Joe Biden districts. Oh, Don Bacon's a good guy. No, 157 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: he's not a piece of shit. Okay, Don Bacon is 158 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: going to be just like the rest of them. They're 159 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: all gonna vote for this guy. They're all gonna unify together. 160 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Their Republicans will always pull together. If they really meant 161 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: their shit, if they really really really wanted to talk 162 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: the talk, and they were real problem which they are 163 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: supposed to bullshit, they would go out and go you 164 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: know what a team. Here's the deal. We need three 165 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: committee chairmanships, right, and you put us on three committees. 166 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: They don't have to be the big ones. You give 167 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: us three committees, okay, to show that it's going to 168 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: be bipartisan. You put us in leadership and some we 169 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: work some kind of symbolic blah blah blah. But you 170 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: know what they won't do. They won't do that. And 171 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: right now, I don't think Jeffies could have pulled this 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: off in the initial run up, in the first round 173 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: of voting for Kevin, right, But I almost think you 174 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: could get it now because now they really know who's 175 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: in charge. It's not our buddy Coove. It's Matt Gates 176 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: and Paul Gosar and all these other whack a dudies. 177 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: The real Nazis, as opposed to the practical, as opposed 178 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: to this sort of partial Nazis. 179 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: It's the Halloween favorite practical Nazis starry. 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, let's just go through here for a second. See, 181 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you think there's a world in which they're like, Okay, 182 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: this is our guy, Jim Jordan. 183 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: Really, no one ever wakes up and says, hey, Jim 184 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Jordan's my guy. He's just a creature of the of 185 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: the bizarro world, Republican Demi Mond, of kooks and freaks 186 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: and weirdos. And look, if you want to hire a 187 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: guy who's really good at ignoring screams coming from a 188 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: locker room, that's your choice. Okay. If you want to 189 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: hire a guy who's going to actually be a leader 190 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: in the House or in the Republican Party, you're out 191 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: of your mind. 192 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: But they don't need a they don't want a leader. 193 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not what they want. A side show. 194 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: So and I want to talk about Nancy Mace. 195 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: Now, Oh, Nancy Mace. You know what, let me tell 196 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: you Nancy may story for you. A few months ago, 197 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: I am talking to a former Republican donor who said 198 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: to me, because you know that we were talking about 199 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: like all the good wines are gone, like Adam's gone, 200 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: Liz is gone, No one's going to stand up to 201 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: one six stuff anymore. And he's, well, I'm really hopeful 202 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: Nancy Mace is going to be become the new leadership, 203 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: the new leader and congressman never Trump. And I'm like, 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Come on? And as always as 205 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: the Cassandra of the Republican Party. I told him, I said, 206 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: she is going to do something so outrageous and break 207 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: your heart. This is also a guy who was like 208 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: a fan of Nikki Haley, who today said, oh yeah, 209 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,479 Speaker 2: I could live with the idea of Millie being assassinated 210 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: or executed. 211 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really really I mean, what was the 212 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: need for it? 213 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: You know? 214 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: Here she is. They ask her, would it be okay? 215 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: What do you think of putting your the biggest general, 216 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the most you know, the most important general of the 217 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: death And she's like, I don't think it's disqualifying, threatening 218 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: his life. 219 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: And now what do you say to a person like that, 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: who honestly is is right now having her moment as 221 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: the donor bait of October twenty three where they're where 222 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: these Republican donors that are just desperate, they're small desperate. Well, 223 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: Ron didn't work out, so maybe maybe Tim Scott will 224 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: be the one. You No, he's too busy with his 225 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: Canadian girlfriend and she's very shy, but she's a supermodel. 226 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: But they thought for a minute it was going to 227 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: be Nikki Haley. And what has Nicki Haley done since 228 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: she had a decent debate two. 229 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Weeks ago, destroyed herself. 230 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: She's gone off the damn cliff. Yeah, I mean, call 231 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: me crazy, But if you're making a principal argument that 232 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: there should be a conservative president who doesn't act like 233 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: a maniac, don't endorse his positions of the former president 234 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: who acts like a maniac. 235 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a good call. We have almost no 236 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: one in this Republican party now right who, especially in 237 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: the House, like there are no grown ups. If they, 238 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: if I want you to like sort of game this 239 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: out with me, they If Jim Jordan does get to 240 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: two seventeen, which again would mean that eighteen Biden Republicans 241 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: had to vote for him, right, which would mean that 242 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: by voting for him, that is like the kind of 243 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: disqualifying vote that Nancy Pelosi used to that she used 244 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: to be horrified by the idea of making horror swing 245 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: candidate her swingy Congress. People vote for these kind of 246 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: disqualifying votes. So if eighteen Republicans have to vote for him, 247 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: he hurts the Republicans more than he helps them. Right, Oh, 248 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: by far, Because you just run against Jim Jordan jumping 249 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: up and down looking. 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: Like listen to right, and you run against Jim Jordan, 251 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: whose number one priority is not inflation, jazz prices, the economy, 252 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: foreign policy education. You run against Jim Jordan, whose number 253 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: one priority is I want to see more dick picks 254 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: from Hunter Biden's right. I mean, it's just a if 255 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: they elect Jim Jordan, which they will now because Trump 256 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: has told them to, you. 257 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: Think that they will though you think he has the vote. 258 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: Here's the thing they know. They are now facing Donald 259 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: Trump at his most weird and depressively shitty vindicta's moment. Yeah, 260 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: here's the grotesque reality of the Republican Party for them. 261 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: If right, the extra got more grotesque ish. They know 262 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: that if Donald Trump either somehow lost the primary, or 263 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: if Donald Trump somehow he won't but he just hypothetically 264 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: went to jail, or if somehow Donald Trump said, oh God, 265 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: I've got dick cancer and I'm going to get off 266 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: the ballotive, percent of Republican voters will simply not vote 267 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: at all. My son, who is a very brilliant polster, 268 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: has just come out of the field with a gigantic 269 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: survey anstrument on this and depending on the states, between 270 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: twenty and twenty six percent of Republican voters who literally 271 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: won't vote at all if Trump's not on the ballot. 272 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: And so if Trump doesn't get his way with Jim Jordan, 273 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: He's going to throw a ship. Maybe maybe we'd be 274 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: best and not vote for the House, and then I 275 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: will just make King Jeffries do what I want. He win, 276 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: I know it, and so you end up with a 277 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: lose lose if it's Jim Jordan. Look, I will tell 278 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: you this. Kevin McCarthy, for all of his many, many, 279 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: many personal faults and by that I mean all of 280 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: his personal faults in every moral and personal dimension and political, 281 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan cannot do one thing that Kevin McCarthy could do. 282 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: Kevin could put on normy draft yeah yeah, and go 283 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: out and sit in a conference room or on a 284 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: golf course, right. 285 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: And seemed like lunatic. I mean, it's the difference between, 286 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, a more functional looking Republican and Jim Jordan. 287 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was arguing with someone about 288 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: this last week and he was saying, well, now Democrats 289 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: have done it right. They've Kevin was their shot. But 290 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: Kevin did all the same things Jim Jordan will do right. 291 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: Impeach Biden. I mean, there's no daylight between the two 292 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: of them. It's just that Jim Jordan seems like a 293 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: complete lunatug. 294 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Kevin McCarthy brought impeachment right without a vote on it. 295 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Right and trying to cut the federal baidity that cut 296 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: the federal government. 297 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: Kevin's bullshit, Okay. Kevin's bullshit was that he could fake normal. 298 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: He could go in and look. Last year, he's at 299 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: a fundraiser in Texas and a friend of ours calls 300 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: us from it. Literally while Kevin's talking, he goes, this 301 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: fucking guy just stood up here and he said, in 302 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: this group of very wealthy moderate Republicans, he goes, you know, 303 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: I need you guys to help me, because if I 304 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: can get twenty or thirty more anti MAGA, non crazy 305 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: Republicans in the House, we can turn it all around. 306 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: The guy is a lying liar and lies. He is 307 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: a he is. The mendacity of Kevin is amazing, but 308 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: he was good at faking it right. And now with 309 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, like politically it sucks for them and financially 310 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: it sucks for them because here's the thing you've got. 311 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: You think, Jim Jordan is going to go sit in 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: a room at some private equity firm in New York 313 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: and say to everybody around the board, at the table 314 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: of the board, I need your maximum contribution because now 315 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: they're not given to their old buddy keV right, the 316 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: young gun Ryan School. Now they're giving their money to 317 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: the guy who's in He might have rabies. 318 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: It is true, I mean, it's but you know that 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: is another thing about trump Ism, which I think is 320 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: pretty interesting, is that you have this very favorable Senate 321 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: map for Republicans. You have Mitch McConnell almost completely signed, 322 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: maybe not completely sidelined, but certainly sidelined, right, I mean, 323 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: that guy is not healthy enough to go out and 324 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: fundraise the way he used. 325 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: To do well. And there's been a big dispute inside 326 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: McConnell world, Like all the teams inside McConnell world are 327 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: now fragmenting and splitting, and there are some that are 328 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: going like, we're going to bring Thune up now, and 329 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: we're the succession battle has started has started. And you know, so. 330 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: You have that is the problem in the Senate, where 331 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: there are seats that would theoretically be winnable if Republicans 332 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: had their shit together. But they don't, right. I mean, 333 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: is there even anyone announced who's running against Jared Brown? 334 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: Not yet. I think you're gonna go high out, Yeah, 335 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get There's a there's a maga 336 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: guy out there who's been making some noise. I can't 337 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: remember his name off the top of my head. But 338 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: he's not He's not going to beat Shared Brown. You've 339 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: got You've got Carrie Lake. 340 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: And she's already governor, so it could be a problem. 341 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Jesse reminds me via text message that Josh Mandell may 342 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: in fact run again. 343 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: Hello, if I may quote the philosopher Willow from the 344 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: Great Tentacle of Buffy Board now. 345 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: Well, Hello, Welcome to women and twenty twenty four. At 346 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 3: the Texas Tribune Festival twenty twenty three, we got some 347 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: dieharts hare getting to Saturday afternoon. 348 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 4: I do want to thank the Texas Tribune and all 349 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: of the. 350 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 3: Amazing sponsors for this incredible weekend and especially for our 351 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: panel today. 352 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: Our panel grew, which I was very proud to do. 353 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean, there really cannot be a more incredible group 354 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: of I was going to say a word, I'm not 355 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: allowed to say here amazing women and really is my 356 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: honor to spend this time with them. I'm also going 357 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: to let you guys know this panel is going to 358 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: last about forty five minutes and then we'll have about 359 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes for Q and A. As you see, there 360 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: is a microphone here, so I'll let you guys know 361 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: when to que up in line to be able to 362 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: ask the questions towards the end, Please silence your cell phones. 363 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 3: And for those of you that are social media Maven's 364 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: the hashtag is hashtag trip Fest twenty three. But without 365 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: further ado, I am Katie Fang from MSNBC. This is 366 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: not the Katie Fang Show, but we are live from 367 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: Austin in Texas. There's lots of news to cover and 368 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. I 369 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: want to introduce very briefly our panelists for today. 370 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: Joyce Vance right there in the beautiful. 371 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Red MSNBC Legal Analysts, law professor at the Nursity of Alabama, 372 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: co host of the hashtag Sisters of Law podcast. 373 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 4: She's also the author of the popular. 374 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: Substact Civil Discourse, which takes on the intersection of law 375 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: and politics. And she is the keeper of the chickens. 376 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: And then to her left is Mollie. 377 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: Jong Fast. 378 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: Special correspondent at Vanity Fair, host of the Fast Politices podcast, 379 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: and the keeper of the hair. In the middle, we 380 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: have Maya Wiley, MSNBC Legal Analysts, President. 381 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: And CEO of. 382 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights and keeper 383 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: of the grace is what I am saying today, the 384 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: grace and the elegance always, and certainly not least as 385 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: Ali Vitally. 386 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 4: And they see Capitol Hill correspondent. 387 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: And the author of Electable Why America hasn't put a 388 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: woman in the White House yet? 389 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: She's keeper of the glam ladies and gentlemen. That's Ali Vittally. 390 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: So I want to dive straight into two of the 391 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: biggest hot button topics I think that are going into 392 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Abortion and guns. I call it, well 393 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: abortions and gun violence. I call it guy knows and guns. 394 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: But we also want to talk about good government too, 395 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: So that's kind of what we're going to talk about today. 396 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to start actually with Joyce because we had 397 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: a conversation about this earlier today and I thought it 398 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: was important to share with our audience. So we're living 399 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: in a post Dobbs world. We are in the state 400 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: of Texas. I am in the state of Florida, which 401 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: is always a hold the beer moment with. 402 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: The state of Texas. 403 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: But we here in Texas right now as we sit here, 404 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: it's a fetal heartbeat state. 405 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: There's a lot of ridiculous that's going on. 406 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: But the scary thing is it's not just going to 407 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: stop with Postdobbs. We're now looking at the potential from 408 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: your state, Joyce, your Alabama Attorney General announcing it a 409 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: court filing that prosecution of people that provide transportation for 410 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: women in Alabama to leave the state to get an 411 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: abortion is the same as a criminal conspiracy. So, Joyce, 412 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 3: how much should we be looking at the prospect of 413 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: when we get to those ballots in twenty twenty four, 414 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: looking at what the candidates are standing for when it 415 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: comes to getting further down the road from Roe v. 416 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: Wade. 417 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 6: You know, I can remember my mother in law telling 418 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 6: me when I was first getting to know her, this 419 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 6: is a long time ago, in the late nineteen eighties, 420 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: and she said, I'm a single issue voter. I remember 421 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 6: when abortion was illegal, and I am a single issue voter, 422 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 6: and I remember thinking that it was both remarkable for 423 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 6: a night lady in Mountain Brook, Alabama and a member 424 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 6: of polite society to be very upfront about saying that, 425 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 6: and also it struck me as being surprising that that 426 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 6: was still her single issue, because of course abortion was 427 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 6: well established as something that women had access to. I 428 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 6: have increasingly come to understand the fierceness of her views 429 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 6: because Dobbs and the end of Roe Versus weighed that 430 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 6: was not enough, right, that long term Republican goal was 431 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 6: not enough. And now as they begin to realize that 432 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 6: a national ban is maybe politically unfeasible, the question is 433 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: what more can the states do? States like Idaho, where 434 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: there's ongoing litigation with DOJ and the attorney general has 435 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 6: walked it back a little bit, but like Alabama, where 436 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 6: the attorney general, who wants to be the governor is 437 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 6: aggressively positioning himself like officials in other states, Texas is 438 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 6: one of them to prosecute women if they choose to 439 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 6: leave the confines of Alabama to access medical care which 440 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 6: they are entitled to access in other states. Right, the 441 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 6: rhetoric of Dobs is the rhetoric of states' rights and 442 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 6: states choices and let each state make up its own mind. 443 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 6: So this action by Alabama and other states would appear 444 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 6: to be clearly unconstitutional. You have the right to go 445 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 6: to Colorado and smoke weed if you want to, You 446 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 6: just can't take it back to Alabama. 447 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: Right. 448 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 6: Lots of things in this country work like that. A 449 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 6: normal Supreme court there should be no question. But this 450 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 6: Supreme Court, with its special jurisprudence for Alabama, I am 451 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 6: deeply worried. I think this issue should be on all 452 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 6: of our radar screens, and we probably live in a 453 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 6: moment when we all need to be, like my mother 454 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: in law, single issue voters. 455 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 7: I want to ask you, Oh, there you go. 456 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: But Molly, I want to follow up and ask you, 457 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: because you also have your finger on the pulse of 458 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: all things politics, do you think that the single issue 459 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 3: voter is going to come out enough to be able 460 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: to carry us across the finish line in twenty twenty 461 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: four when it comes to the issue singularly of abortion access. 462 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because we're here in Texas, the 463 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: state where Roe was functionally overturned by SB eight a 464 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: year before the Dobbs decision came down, and I actually 465 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: when it happened, you saw a lot of people, smart 466 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: people said, oh, they're never going to let it stand. 467 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is never going to let it stand. 468 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: And in fact they did, and they saw it on 469 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: the shadow dock. At September first, the law came into effect. 470 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: It was a heartbeat bill. There is no fetal heartbeat 471 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: in six weeks, right, like we you know, by calling 472 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: it a heartbeat bill, we are selling their line that 473 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: it's not true. Six week you know, it's not even 474 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: a blastula or whatever it is, doesn't have a hard 475 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: it doesn't even have you know, it's a number of 476 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: cells at that point. So I think that it's a 477 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: very scary time, I think for reproductive health. And the 478 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: thing that I have been so struck by with the 479 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: people I have talked to who are doctors and women 480 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: and you know, people who's you know, a hospital, people 481 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: who who report on hospitals and things like that, is 482 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: that you're seeing pregnant women unable to get medical care. 483 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: So it is really we are really seeing firsthand that 484 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: abortion is healthcare. And you have women in parking lots 485 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: being told to bleed out before the doctors will touch them. 486 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: So you have doctors who are afraid to treat, doctors 487 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: who are afraid to go to jail and are afraid 488 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: to lose their licenses. And what's funny is when you 489 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: think back to nineteen seventy three and my mom uh 490 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: was for a second wave familyst Erika Johngan. In nineteen 491 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: seventy three, she published Fear Flying, And so I always 492 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: think about, like, nineteen seventy three was the year that 493 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: Roe was decided, and it was a very conservative core 494 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: and they did this because besides women dying, doctors were 495 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: being put in these terrible positions. And so I really 496 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: think we're seeing that again. And in a country where 497 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: you know, we have these rural hospital closures, we have 498 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: women of color being you know, subjected to much worse 499 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: medical treatment, higher maternal fetal health rates. I mean, we 500 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: really are seeing a sort of healthcare emergency around doms. 501 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: And you know, Maya, it's statistically proven that the disproportionate 502 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: burden when it comes to maternal healthcare when it comes 503 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: to communities of color, it's remarkably just terrifying when you 504 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: look at the numbers. 505 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 4: How does the messaging work, though, How does the message. 506 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: Work to be able to tell people that they have 507 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: to prioritize certain things right now when you want fundamental 508 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: rights like access to healthcare, but you also still. 509 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 4: Need to be able to put food on the table. 510 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: You still need to be able to explain to people 511 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: that it makes a difference for them to get to 512 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: the ballots. But especially when you're trying to get the 513 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: messaging to be uniformly across, so it resonates with all 514 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: different communities, not just a certain one. 515 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 7: So and look, I'm trying to actually thread this needle 516 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 7: because so many important things have been said and they're 517 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 7: all connected. One is, I think we've already seen what 518 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 7: happens when you piss a lot of women off, right, 519 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 7: Because what happened in the midterms, what happened in the midterms, 520 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 7: Wisconsin was denied a trifecta, Michigan got a trifecta. We 521 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 7: saw ballot initiatives up and down the line, some of 522 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 7: them in very red states where the ballot initiative was 523 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 7: to prevent protection from abortion in a constitution like Kentucky 524 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 7: get shot down in a red state, not the only one, 525 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 7: and it was because it was absolutely motivating, mobilizing, and 526 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 7: we also saw young people, especially gen Z, who under 527 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 7: participate in terms of their numbers in power, get really 528 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 7: engaged in those states where the battle lines were clearly drawn. 529 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 7: So I just want to say we should not ignore that. 530 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 7: But I also want to go back to this notion 531 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 7: of should we be single issue and let me because 532 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 7: I actually agree with all these points, so this isn't 533 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 7: a point of disagreement. But I want to remind us 534 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 7: of something. Now, my mother is from Abling, Texas. Yeah, 535 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 7: the Abilene like that. Okay, Ableinge, Texas. Grew up in 536 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 7: the Southern Baptist Church in Abling. Okay, many of you 537 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 7: should know that means she's a white woman by definition. 538 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 7: Because the Southern Baptists actively, formally and as a matter 539 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 7: of dectrinal position, was opposed to integracial integration, was supportive 540 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 7: of essentially racist policies. In nineteen seventy three, they were 541 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 7: pro abortion. Six years later they become anti abortion. What happened? 542 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 7: What happened in those six years? The Justice Department came 543 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 7: for them for their segregated schools, and then they saw 544 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 7: the wedge. Then they found the edge. Alis Hoague, who 545 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 7: used to be the president of NAYRAL has actually written 546 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 7: about this. It was very important reproductive freedom community. I'm 547 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 7: elevating this issue before we got here. And then let's 548 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 7: go to the other part of the point that you 549 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 7: so rightly ask about, Katie, which is so black women 550 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 7: in New York City, which is a blue state. Okay, 551 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 7: all right, ignore the midterm that has abortion right is Blueish, 552 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 7: Bluish has abortion rights, standing up for abortion rights, trying 553 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 7: to figure out how to be a sanctuary state for 554 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 7: women looking for abortion right. Well, if you are black 555 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 7: in New York City, you have you are eleven, not four, 556 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 7: three or four times more likely to die in childbirth 557 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 7: or from pregnancy related causes. Eleven times has nothing to 558 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 7: do with Republicans, not a damn thing. It has everything 559 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 7: to do with whether or not you get true access 560 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 7: to health care, reproductive and whether you're allowed to be 561 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 7: a mother, whether you are allowed to be a mother. 562 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 7: At the same time, we see what abortion does. And 563 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 7: by the way, the states, the states that rushed to 564 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 7: do this spanning of abortion and fetal heartbeat laws and criminalization, 565 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 7: they actually guess what were some of the same states 566 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 7: that refuse to expand medicaid refuse to expand it called Obamacare, 567 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 7: refused to expand it. It was before we lost row. So 568 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 7: the reason I'm saying this is because all these issues 569 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 7: are so deeply connected and on our powers recognizing the 570 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 7: connection voting rights. So when I said to a group 571 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 7: of our allies, seriously wonderful act people have said, like 572 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 7: every fight that we have for abortion rights or to 573 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 7: stop the criminalization of health care. And by the way, 574 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 7: thanks to black people, we had to have a constitution 575 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 7: that said you can cross state lines was because of 576 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 7: black chattel slavery. We should remember this right, We should 577 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 7: remember the very legal underpinnings of our constitutional order that 578 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 7: we're now fighting about in the abortion fight, on the 579 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 7: criminalization of crossing state lines, we have because we had 580 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 7: black chattel slavery and had to try to undo it. 581 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 7: So the truth is all our issues are so deeply linked. 582 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 7: They're so deeply and that's our power. Because when we 583 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 7: still start talking about voting rights, and I said to 584 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 7: my voting rights on my reproductive justice allies, I said, 585 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 7: all these states are the same states that are talking 586 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 7: about voter fraud and claiming that we have to make 587 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 7: it hard for people to vote, and that's the only 588 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 7: way they can hold onto power. It's the only way 589 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 7: is by cheating. And so we've got to recognize that 590 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 7: no matter our race. And frankly, and thank you to 591 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 7: the men in the audience that came to hear about 592 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 7: the war on women, it's bad for men. It is 593 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 7: bad for men. And so I actually think that the 594 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 7: incredible importance of the messaging, the messaging point is it's 595 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 7: not only about abortion. It's about our very democratic rights 596 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 7: and whether or not we are allowed to make decisions 597 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 7: for ourselves, our families, our communities. And it doesn't matter 598 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 7: what your personal views are about abortion. But it does 599 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 7: matter if you want to see a doctor when you're sick. 600 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 7: It does matter if you want to be able to 601 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: choose to have a healthy baby. It does matter if 602 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 7: you think you should get to have easy access to 603 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 7: a ballot in order to decide who's going to make 604 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 7: decision over your lives and over your communities. And that 605 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 7: is all of us. 606 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: Ali vitally. 607 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 4: You are a Capitol Hill correspondent. 608 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 7: You are in the seat of power. 609 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 3: You are around the people that are making these important 610 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,240 Speaker 3: decisions that are affecting all of us across the United States. 611 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: But you are also in embed in the Elizabeth Warren campaign. 612 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: And the reason why I being that up though, is 613 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 3: because you've been on the road, You've been to the rallies, 614 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: You've been to all of these different important stops on 615 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 3: these tours for these campaign tours. And what is the disconnect? 616 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: Because Maya talks about the connection, but there seems to 617 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 3: be a disconnect from the people to Washington, DC. And 618 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: it transcends just the inability to get the people into 619 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 3: the office that we want to be in the offices, 620 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: But what's happening with the people that are on the ground, 621 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 3: that are the grassroots voters that are out there trying 622 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: to make sure that what Maya talks about and what 623 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: Molly talks about, what Joyce talks about, that all of 624 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: that is making sense. 625 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 8: So I think, look, there's so many amazing points that 626 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 8: have been made up here. And I would never presume 627 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 8: to speak for Maya, but what I felt so deeply 628 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 8: when you were talking about what reproductive care is to me, 629 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 8: it boils down to an economics issue. And so when 630 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 8: you want to be a voter who says, Okay, I'm 631 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,479 Speaker 8: a single issue voter who cares about what it costs 632 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 8: when I go to the grocery store, and also how 633 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 8: I put my life together. 634 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 5: Because I can. 635 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 8: Choose how and when to control my reproductive health. That's 636 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 8: a dollars and cents issue. And so that's maybe a 637 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 8: matter of disconnect when we talk about this as if 638 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 8: it's a niche thing, as if it's a women's issue. 639 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 8: This is something that touches everyone, and I think that 640 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 8: in my ten years covering reproductive health as sort of 641 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 8: a chosen side beat in addition to campaigns and Congress 642 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 8: and whatever else, this idea of being post row, up 643 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 8: until two years ago, had always been something that people 644 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 8: could just theorize about, but it was always a theory, 645 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 8: and Republicans never thought we'd get there, and Democrats never 646 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 8: thought we'd get there, and everyone was sort of secure 647 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 8: in their echo chambers of what those talking points meant. 648 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 8: And I think that's what we saw in twenty twenty 649 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 8: when I was following the Elizabeth Warren campaign, is yes, 650 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 8: there was a push to expand reproductive freedom on the 651 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 8: Warren campaign and other campaigns, but it was all pretty theoretical. 652 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 8: And then I with Dobbs, what's been fascinating to watch 653 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 8: as someone who really does see themselves. As a student 654 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 8: of politics and demographic trends is watching the ways that 655 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 8: in each of the seven or eight crucial moments that 656 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 8: repro has been on the ballot, in some way, it 657 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 8: has overwhelmingly shown that people want to be able to 658 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 8: access this care and they want to be able to 659 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 8: access it freely. And look, that shouldn't be shocking. The 660 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 8: polling around this has been consistent in that roughly six 661 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 8: and ten Americans always over time have wanted abortion to 662 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 8: be safe. 663 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 5: And legal in most cases. 664 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 8: I think most instructive is a few weeks ago when 665 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 8: I was in Ohio, you talked about red states where 666 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 8: this is happening. Yes, you mentioned Kentucky rightly, Kansas as well. 667 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 8: That was really the first kind of canary in the 668 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,479 Speaker 8: coal mine for Republicans who I increasingly get the sense 669 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 8: or the dogs that caught the car and now. 670 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 5: May get run over by it. 671 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 8: But three million people do not turn out in August 672 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 8: special elections for one ballot measure that does not reference 673 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 8: the word abortion, but is very much about that, And 674 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 8: I think that's instructive for everyone trying to chart the 675 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 8: still actively being charted post row environment, and it's why 676 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 8: when I'm on the road with my twenty twenty four 677 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 8: Republican candidates, they get very squeamish. Unless you're Mike Pence, 678 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 8: who has clearly staked out this place. They get pretty 679 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 8: squeamish talking about where the weak markers should be and 680 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 8: because they have to in that primary. But in general 681 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 8: it becomes much tougher because of the environment that we've 682 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 8: seen in the few plot points that we have of 683 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 8: what it actually means to be post Row. 684 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 4: We're going to move on from. 685 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: This topic because a we're running out of time, but 686 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 3: I want to get to some other stuff. But I 687 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 3: am because I always have an opinion, just ask my husband. 688 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 3: I want to emphasize vigilance because, to Ali's point, this 689 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 3: was this was not some surprise event that happened with 690 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 3: the overturning of Row. 691 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 7: Let's be very clear. 692 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 3: This was a This was a train that was coming 693 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 3: and we all saw it coming, and we were asleep 694 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 3: at the switch some of us when it came to it. 695 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 3: So I want to make sure this is part of 696 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: why we're all here today, the vigilance on making sure 697 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: that we pay attention to these issues, because this was 698 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: something that we definitely saw the red flags for I 699 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 3: want to go now because I want to turn to 700 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 3: gun violence. We're in the state of Texas, and Joyce 701 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 3: and I were walking down the street and we kept 702 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 3: un noticing the signs of the warnings about don't bring 703 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: your gun into this place. But Florida now has permitless carry, 704 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of the states are dealing 705 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 3: with that right now. And obviously your state has had 706 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 3: more than its share of tragedy, a disproportionate share of 707 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 3: tragedy when it comes to gun violence. 708 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to read a couple of statistics that I 709 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 4: were stunning to me. 710 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 3: Four point five million women in the United States have 711 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 3: been threatened with a gun. 712 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 4: Okay, nearly one. 713 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 3: Million women have been shot or shot at by an 714 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 3: intimate partner, and over fifty percent of all intimate partner 715 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: homicides are. 716 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 5: Committed with guns. 717 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 3: So, Joyce, we got that's in front of a Supreme 718 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 3: Court post bruin now a post bruin America. We have 719 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 3: a challenge to whether or not, if you have a 720 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 3: domestic violence injunction, whether you should be allowed to be 721 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 3: able to possess a firearm. Putting aside all of the 722 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 3: other conditions and terms inclusive of the Hunter Biden issues 723 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: that deal with drugs and substance abuse. What's the prospect 724 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four? And again the focus this is women, 725 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: the war on women. What is the prospect with Rahemi 726 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: in front of the Supreme Court when it comes to 727 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: these because these are startling numbers. 728 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 6: So Raheemi is one of the cases the Supreme Court 729 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 6: will hear oral argument in this term. I'm a former 730 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 6: federal prosecutor in Alabama. One of our bread and butter 731 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 6: statues is eighteen US Code nine two G, which is 732 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 6: a laundry list of people who are prohibited from using firearms. 733 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 6: The most frequently used part of the statute is the 734 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 6: part that prohibits people who have of prior felony convictions 735 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 6: from possessing a firearm. As Hunter Biden has learned, a 736 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 6: portion of that statute also prohibits people he used drugs 737 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 6: from possessing firearms. But Raheemi is a very interesting case 738 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 6: because often these. 739 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 9: Are people who are told they. 740 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 6: Can't possess guns, and there are attractive reasons for letting 741 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 6: them have them. Someone with a ten year old felony 742 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 6: conviction or someone who used to be addicted or maybe 743 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 6: is currently addicted to pills but has a hunting weapon. 744 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 6: Mister Raheemi is not in that category. He is a 745 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 6: repeated abuser of women. He is someone who engages in 746 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 6: domestic violence. He is trying to challenge the constitutionality of 747 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 6: a law that says he cannot possess a firearm. And 748 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 6: we know what the statistics tell us. They tell us, 749 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 6: and Katie relays some of this that domestic abusers who 750 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 6: have access to firearms are far more likely to kill 751 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 6: their partners. It should be a no brainer, right. Bruin 752 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 6: is the Supreme Court case from two terms ago where 753 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court applied new rules for evaluating gun laws, 754 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 6: and it comes down to this. They said, unless a 755 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 6: restriction on Second Amendment rights was something that was in 756 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 6: existence at the time the founders wrote the Constitution, we 757 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 6: will not enforce it. There was no prohibition at the 758 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 6: time the founding fathers wrote the Constitution and domestic violence 759 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 6: abusers being able to possess firearms. In fact, the laws 760 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 6: and the Constitution explicitly contemplated that women were second class 761 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 6: citizens at that point in time. So look, I don't 762 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 6: have high hopes for Rahimi. I would like to think 763 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 6: that this Supreme Court would have some common sense left. 764 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 6: So far, they've shown no designs that they possess it. 765 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: I think the. 766 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 6: Interesting point, Katie and you sort of flag it is 767 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 6: what happens if Hunter Biden is convicted on gun charges 768 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 6: in that case goes up on appeal, and what will 769 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 6: sam Alito do when he has to decide between the 770 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 6: Second Amendment and Hunter Biden. Boy, is that going to 771 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 6: be tough for sam Alita. 772 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 3: But Molly, this is again a single issue voter driver, 773 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean putting aside, putting aside these numbers, 774 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 3: putting aside the true reality and the grim reality of 775 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 3: what we have to suffer in America from gun violence. 776 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 3: A lot of people are still looking at gun control 777 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 3: as being a single issue vote going into twenty twenty four. 778 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say this is a Supreme Court problem, right, 779 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: And if we look at that term two years ago, 780 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: there was and I mean they have really done a 781 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's really unbelievable. I mean, they overturned 782 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: brow bruin epa versus West Virginia. I mean, limiting the 783 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: scope of the federal government when it comes to pollution. 784 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they have just you know, they are remaking 785 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: this country. So I'm not sure that. And again, what 786 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: you can do with this, what we've seen with Bruin 787 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: is what you can do at the state level can 788 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: be overturned by this rogue court, right you have you know, 789 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: governors don't have the final say here. And so I 790 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: think the question is I think is it you know, 791 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: if you're going to vote for Biden again, which I 792 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: would assume that would be good because we otherwise we're 793 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: going to have bad whatever we're going to I mean, 794 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: otherwise a Trump I don't know how long a Trump 795 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: presidency would last, perhaps forever. If you're going to there 796 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: really needs to be pressure put on Biden to either 797 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: expand the court or to have term limits for the court, 798 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: or because this court is going to go the they 799 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: you know, these three Trump justices are young, right, they 800 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: are young, and they are ready, and they do not 801 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,439 Speaker 1: have any interest in the status quo. And we saw 802 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: them again and again lie about starry decisives. So and 803 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: they will go and and so I do think Biden 804 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: is very uncomfortable trying to you know, we I talked 805 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: to people who are on his Supreme Court Committee. You know, 806 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: they they really does not want to touch this, but 807 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: term limits are very popular, and he that is something 808 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: he really could do in a second term. And so 809 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: I think the more that people can pressure him. You know, 810 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: this is an administration that really does respond to pressure, 811 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: as we saw with you know, some of the things 812 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: they've done recently with the Office of Gun Violence. And 813 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: so I do think that voters really do have power here. 814 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 3: So Maya, this is the perfect segue into my kind 815 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,839 Speaker 3: of next topic. And I wanted to speak to you 816 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 3: because number one, your position at the leadership conference. 817 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 4: But number two, why is it that? And I'm proud 818 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 4: to say that I'm a woman of color, Why is it. 819 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 3: That it is women of color that have become the 820 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 3: stalwart defenders of democracy these days? 821 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: Why is it? 822 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 3: I mean, and I appreciate all of our male allies, 823 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, right, well, why is it that 824 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 3: that is the case? Because we see it it runs 825 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 3: the gamut from the Tis James's to the FAWNI Willis's 826 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 3: to the Tanya Chuckkins. I mean, we're seeing this be 827 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 3: the case. But I wanted to kind of expand it 828 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 3: a little bit out though, and talk about getting to 829 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,720 Speaker 3: the ballot box. 830 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 4: Right, I want to talk about voter access. 831 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 3: I want to talk about voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression. We're 832 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 3: seeing it happen. We're seeing the Jerry manderin. These are 833 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: all important. Is she's going in twenty twenty four And 834 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 3: if anybody needs super reminded, if you elect a president 835 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 3: who puts Supreme Court justices on the bench like we 836 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 3: saw with Donald Trump, you're going to get dobbs, You're 837 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 3: going to get bruined, You're going to get these decisions. So, 838 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 3: especially in your role at the leadership conference, what's going 839 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 3: on to be able to combat voter suppression? And then again, 840 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 3: why is it taking the women of color to make 841 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 3: sure that we still got democracy going on? 842 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 7: Okay, I feel like every question, I feel like whoop, okay. 843 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 7: So well, one, I just want to remind us the 844 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 7: reason we have the Supreme Court we have is despite 845 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 7: the fact that we had a president who would have 846 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,280 Speaker 7: appointed a justice who would have protected Roe, we don't 847 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 7: because the rules were rigged by Mitch McConnell to deny 848 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 7: Barack Obama even a hearing on his nominee, even a 849 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 7: hearing because it was a year before elections, so important 850 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 7: to remember these things. They just changed the rules and 851 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 7: act like it's you know, normal, and then they revert 852 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 7: them back right with an explicit not implicit, because Donald 853 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 7: Trump ran on a platform of reversing Row to get 854 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 7: anti Row justices on the bench. And that also relates 855 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 7: to citizens United. Dark money in politics because Leonard Leo 856 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 7: one point six billion dollars because somebody handed him a corporation. 857 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 7: If you give me a corporation, I swear I'll do 858 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 7: good things with it. So I just want to remind us. 859 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 7: That's just a reminder. But on the question of women 860 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 7: of color, it's always been women of color. And nothing 861 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,439 Speaker 7: new about this, y'all. You know, it's new that we're 862 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 7: one out of every five people. That's what's new. It's 863 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 7: the change in our visibility because of our numbers, because 864 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 7: this country has been diversifying. And by the way, white 865 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 7: women too, Like I don't want to make this. It's 866 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 7: like women have for a very long time, right, for 867 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 7: a very long time been kind of the center of 868 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 7: pushing for change in America, even when we haven't gotten 869 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 7: the credit. And women of color, as I said, yes always, 870 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 7: and I'm going to go back to it. You all, 871 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 7: don't yell at me because I'm going to vote Bill Maher, 872 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 7: don't yell at me. Hear me out, hear me out, 873 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 7: hear me out. This is just a story. Remember when 874 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 7: you may remember this, back when Barack Obama was a 875 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 7: primary candidate and like number five, right, nobody thought he 876 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,839 Speaker 7: was even going to arise to the top three, and 877 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 7: Moe's death and Cornell West were on Bill Maher, and 878 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 7: Bill Maher says to Cornell West and Mo's deaf, but 879 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 7: I'm folks. On Mo's death, he says, well, is it 880 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 7: really is America really ready for a black president? I mean, 881 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 7: are Americans really going to vote for a black man? 882 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,800 Speaker 7: And Most Death said, can I curse? Okay, I'm just 883 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 7: it's a quote. I'm okay. So Mo's Death says, oh yeah, 884 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,800 Speaker 7: because they're gonna say shit's fucked up. Let the nigga 885 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 7: run it. I didn't say it. Most quotes for the 886 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 7: records quotes that is. And I've a reason I remember 887 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,919 Speaker 7: it is like he's said that. But I'm just gonna 888 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 7: say a black person was like that. That could be true. 889 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 7: But I do feel a little bit like the country 890 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 7: is in such a bad place that I'm seeing women 891 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 7: of color being given leadership positions we were never given before. 892 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 7: And I want to say that Lafonza Butler at Emma's List, 893 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 7: at Emily's List, Mimi timraju At now no longer nay Raw, 894 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 7: but Reproductive Freedom for All. It just rebranded all member 895 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 7: organizations of the Leadership Conference. So I'm just saying that 896 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 7: even in spaces and places where we have not traditionally 897 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 7: been running the show, we're seeing a change. And some 898 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 7: of that is because I think based on sheer, frankly, like, 899 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 7: no matter how bad it gets and how exhausted and 900 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 7: how angry, we just keep it moving because we have 901 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 7: no choice we have as women, we have no choice 902 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 7: across rate. We don't have no choice. You know why, 903 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 7: because they are babies. They are our babies, and we 904 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 7: know they're all our babies, like whether we gave birth 905 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 7: to them or not. And so, you know, I think 906 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 7: we're at a time when things are so bad that 907 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 7: they're saying, let her run it. Notice the word I left, 908 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 7: I know. 909 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 3: And then this is the perfect segue to Ali Vittally, 910 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 3: Ali Vittally, you're. 911 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 4: Not gonna curse Honny and it's gonna be okay. 912 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 8: No, I'm a lapse Catholic, but I'm still a Catholic. 913 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 3: If y'all haven't read Electable, y'all are missing out. It's 914 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 3: an exceptional book written by Ali Vittally, but the message 915 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 3: is just so profound, and it's disturbing that we're still 916 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 3: having this conversation. We had this conversation a year ago 917 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 3: when the book came out. We're gonna have another conversation 918 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 3: about it now. Gender double standards placed on women presidential candidates, 919 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,760 Speaker 3: we understand twenty twenty four is a different beast. We're 920 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 3: all Biden Harris, yes, but but I'm troubled too. 921 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,479 Speaker 4: Prong question to you. 922 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 3: First one is why is the Vice president Kamala Harris 923 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 3: getting such a short thrift? 924 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: One? 925 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 3: And then two kind of dovetailing what Maya said, why 926 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 3: don't we have a female president of the United States? 927 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 4: Woo. It's very easy with me, and these are friends. 928 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 4: You can imagine if these weren't friends, what these questions 929 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 4: would be like. 930 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 7: I am It's all good. 931 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 8: I mean so, first of all, I do think it's 932 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 8: really important to punctuate from a reporter perspective something that 933 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 8: maya was saying, which is the idea that women of 934 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 8: color not the end We're no. 935 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 2: No. 936 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 8: I do think it's important, though, to punctuate the way 937 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,320 Speaker 8: that I think media have done well in finally giving 938 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 8: women of color their flowers when they have put the 939 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 8: work in. 940 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 5: I mean, you could not talk about. 941 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 8: The games that Democrats made in Georgia without talking about 942 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 8: the work that Stacy Abrams did in eighteen and twenty two. 943 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,879 Speaker 8: And I think that those of us who covered those 944 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,840 Speaker 8: races knew that that was work, and those were seeds 945 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 8: that were being planted, maybe not for them, but certainly 946 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 8: for later. And I think that women in researching my 947 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 8: book as well, every woman candidate who runs for anything 948 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 8: knows that she's laying brickwork in the ground for someone. 949 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 5: Else to walk over it with more ease than she did. 950 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 8: And I think that that's true of both Republicans and Democrats. 951 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 8: But Democrats have done it. Their road is much longer right, 952 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 8: They've invested, They found that upside earlier than Republican women did. 953 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 8: The good news across the board, and eventually it becomes 954 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,959 Speaker 8: a numbers game. To answer the question of why haven't 955 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 8: we had a female president yet? Is because the pipeline 956 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 8: just hasn't been full. Thankfully, the last few decades, we 957 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 8: have seen the number of women in Congress steadily rising. 958 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 8: The more women that are elected to federal and exacsative 959 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 8: office at the state wide level means that they have 960 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 8: a better resume that can then usher them onto. 961 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,280 Speaker 5: Those presidential tickets. 962 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 8: We have then seen in twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty, 963 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 8: when you had more women running for the Democratic nomination 964 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,879 Speaker 8: than at any point in any other primary that took 965 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,280 Speaker 8: until twenty twenty. The good news is that I don't 966 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 8: think that we will see another primary on either side 967 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 8: where at least one woman isn't in the mix. And 968 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 8: what that means is that the imagination barrier for voters 969 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,839 Speaker 8: is less. They don't have to wonder, well, what would 970 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 8: it feel like to vote for this woman, to entertain 971 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 8: what she looks like in that office. That means that 972 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 8: there's muscle memory of voting for women, and that is 973 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,479 Speaker 8: so critically important because there was a really long gap 974 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 8: in the two thousands on where women, if they ran 975 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 8: Elizabeth Dole, for example, they dropped out before votes were cast, 976 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 8: so people didn't even have to think about what would 977 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 8: it look like to have a woman in this office, 978 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 8: Kamala Harris presents both an opportunity and a difficulty. And 979 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 8: I think Democrats and Republicans alike have made these points, 980 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 8: but Democrats certainly are the ones that I most here 981 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,919 Speaker 8: who are grappling with this. I spent a whole chapter 982 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 8: on it because it was so complex. She is someone 983 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 8: who doesn't look like anyone who has held that office before. 984 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 8: That is both an amazing opportunity and it also means 985 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 8: that people look at her and expect her to redefine 986 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 8: the job of vice president. 987 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 5: And if she were doing that, she's not being a 988 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 5: very good vice president. 989 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,879 Speaker 8: And therein is the paradox, because you've got people looking 990 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 8: at her saying, gosh, I just wish she would do more, 991 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,720 Speaker 8: And no one asked that of Mike pen. 992 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 4: Like Dan Quayle. 993 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:34,320 Speaker 8: Did quail No one asked that of Pence. When Biden 994 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 8: stepped out of line and did more, it was a moment, 995 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 8: because that's not the job of being vice president. Do I, 996 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 8: as the reporter here, take into account that the interviews 997 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 8: sometimes lack she's write words. Sure, yes, that's a problem. 998 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,320 Speaker 8: That was a problem when Kamala Harris ran for president. 999 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 5: But if you take her in the totality. 1000 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 8: What I often see in the criticism of her is 1001 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,240 Speaker 8: that people's expectations were just so high because she's history 1002 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 8: making that it's almost unfair to set her to those 1003 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 8: expectations because no vice president will ever meet them. 1004 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 5: That's not their job. 1005 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 10: Yes, Maya, what she said, Okay, as a as a 1006 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 10: person who ran for office in a city that has. 1007 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 7: Never had a woman, Molly's gonna cry. 1008 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: Now, Yes, I just want to say that I've voted 1009 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: for you. I would vote for you again. We have 1010 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: as a New York resident who has who knows very 1011 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,400 Speaker 1: well of the New York mayor curse. I just can't 1012 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: every day. I am just she's my mayor. She's the 1013 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,720 Speaker 1: mayor of my heart. I'm sorry. 1014 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:58,760 Speaker 7: So, okay, thank you. That is I'm not gonna cry. 1015 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 7: But the reason I raised my hand is because everything 1016 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 7: Ali you said is so true and really needs to 1017 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 7: be underscored. And then there's one thing we have to 1018 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,799 Speaker 7: say explicitly, she and a woman of color we cannot 1019 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 7: shy away. So the double standards there. Remember Hillary Clinton 1020 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 7: got a spanking because she was trying to run policy 1021 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,280 Speaker 7: as the first lady, right, Remember that remember the cookie monster, right, 1022 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 7: So there's no question that the gender thing is real, 1023 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 7: no matter the race of the woman. But we cannot 1024 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 7: because I'm going to tell you what the problem the 1025 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 7: Democrats have. Why did Joe Biden promise he was going 1026 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 7: to pay black women back? And he said it explicitly 1027 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 7: and it was the first time we got recognition, and 1028 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 7: it is the Stacy Abrams factor for sure. But what 1029 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 7: Stacy Abrams did is she showed America what black women 1030 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 7: had been doing since including suffragettes. Need I remind anybody, 1031 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 7: I don't think I have to mind name by this room, 1032 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 7: black women were so for jets, so it's like always 1033 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 7: been the case. But but but he explicitly said I 1034 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 7: owe my seat to black women, uh, which is part 1035 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 7: of Kamala Harris becoming is running mate. It was also 1036 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 7: why Katanji Brown Jackson is now one of the most 1037 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 7: fabulous Supreme Court justice we've saved. 1038 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: But I I want to piggyback on you for a 1039 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 1: minute because this is something that I've talked about and 1040 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 1: I've interviewed the Vice President twice and that I actually 1041 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: believe that there is an innate sexism and racism that 1042 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: she bases that is impossible for us to put our 1043 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: fingers on. And I think that it really affects the 1044 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: way people see her, the way they treat her, the 1045 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: questions they ask her. I mean, I really see this, 1046 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: and I've talked to you know, I've actually even talked 1047 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: to you know that she has this there, and you know, 1048 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,919 Speaker 1: I've talked to people who are like, I just don't 1049 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: know why I don't like her, and I'm like, I 1050 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: know why. There's just something about her and I so 1051 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: that I think that I just wanted. 1052 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 6: To add that, you know, Can I just add one Morrison, 1053 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,360 Speaker 6: because I think this is the important data point about 1054 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 6: Kamala Harris. He's a lovely human being who faces challenges 1055 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 6: that are unfair. 1056 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 4: She is a knitter, I mean. 1057 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 6: And a cook she that too, But I mean she 1058 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,440 Speaker 6: is not She is not, you know, a pedestrian knitter. 1059 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 6: She is an accomplished knitter. And the thing that I 1060 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 6: know about knitters being one of them and seeing a 1061 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 6: number of y'all out in the audience, knitters get shit 1062 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 6: done right. 1063 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I now know why, I now know why 1064 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 3: I lost the mayor's race. 1065 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 6: But Maya, to your point, we live in we live 1066 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 6: in difficult times. We live in troubling times. I want 1067 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 6: to see Kamala Harris, not next term, but the term 1068 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 6: after in the White House because we need and it 1069 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 6: comes found to out. 1070 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 3: So I want to invite if you guys have questions. No, 1071 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 3: no stampeding, but there isn't open mic here, so please 1072 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 3: feel free. 1073 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 4: To come up and queue in line. Please, And why 1074 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 4: are not a question? 1075 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,960 Speaker 7: Why are open mike? Because I want it just a 1076 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 7: little insider perspective on Allie's point about pipeline for women. 1077 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 7: And first of all is if you try to put 1078 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 7: yourself in a pipeline, I tell you don't deserve to 1079 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 7: be there. Okay, I just want to say that as 1080 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 7: someone who ran and was told wait, you don't you 1081 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 7: didn't get in line, You're you weren't up. I was like, Smorry, 1082 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 7: it's not and they don't give you money. You do 1083 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 7: need money to win. You need money to win, and 1084 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 7: women have a very hard time of any race raising 1085 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 7: the dollars. None of that is about the quality of 1086 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 7: the candidate. 1087 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 3: So if this is a knitting question, Joyce, we'll take 1088 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,200 Speaker 3: that separately at the end of the panel. 1089 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,520 Speaker 7: No, I need to know how to knit. 1090 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 4: Do you need to learn how to honey. 1091 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: I tried. 1092 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 8: We can start a little circle, because I want to 1093 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 8: do if we can tell you. 1094 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 4: Some stories about them. 1095 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 3: It was me Mary Trump, Joyce Vance, Aging Carroll and 1096 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 3: Gentile praying for me to learn how to knit. There 1097 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,120 Speaker 3: may have been some boosoma anyway, please go ahead. 1098 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 11: Well, I just wanted to say, first of all, thank you. 1099 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 11: It's been such an empowering panel but also just really joyful, 1100 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 11: which is awesome. 1101 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 8: Thank you. 1102 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 11: And my question was going back to the idea of 1103 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,760 Speaker 11: there's just something about Kamalade that you just can't put 1104 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 11: my finger on it, Like I've definitely also felt that, 1105 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 11: and it was hard for me to articulate, especially as 1106 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 11: I'm continuing to try and do the work to break 1107 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 11: down internalize misogyny, internalized racism. And so I'm curious if 1108 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 11: you think that there's a space going into twenty twenty 1109 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 11: four to address the internalized issues like as a you know, 1110 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 11: four of the people who are consistently voting blue, Like, 1111 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 11: where does that conversation come in where it's not just 1112 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,800 Speaker 11: I'm showing up as a Democrat, but I'm actually like 1113 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 11: the doing the personal work so that in the future 1114 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,479 Speaker 11: we can get her, you know a president president question. 1115 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 7: So well one, I really appreciate you raising up point. 1116 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 7: It takes a lot of bravery. And you know, the 1117 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 7: truth is we all have internalized stuff. Can't grow up 1118 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 7: in America not so just thank you for that. But 1119 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 7: I think that's a big part of it, is just 1120 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 7: calling it out, like if you don't if you can't 1121 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 7: find a reason, then you have a reason that you're 1122 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 7: just not confronting. And the other thing i'd say, and 1123 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,720 Speaker 7: it's very hard. You can do it running for a 1124 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,959 Speaker 7: mayoral office, it's really hard doing it when you're running 1125 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 7: a national race. Is if y'all met Kamala, it's like 1126 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 7: she is the most lovely person. She really is. She 1127 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 7: will hook you want to talk about joyful. That woman 1128 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 7: is joyful. She's brilliant, she's joyful, she's loving. So is 1129 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton? Like you know, everybody asks like she's some monster, 1130 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 7: say like if you met her, to be like, I 1131 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,920 Speaker 7: like her. I want to have dinner with her. But 1132 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,160 Speaker 7: we in national racism in particular, you know, we don't 1133 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 7: get that. And women have a harder time being seen 1134 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,720 Speaker 7: as relatable, right, especially in women of color, and so 1135 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,440 Speaker 7: that relatable is that nonverbal? I just don't know. And 1136 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,840 Speaker 7: what people looking for is I want to feel I 1137 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 7: want to feel something, but you know when it's harder 1138 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 7: to feel it with women, that's what That's what really 1139 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,960 Speaker 7: And then it's like just posing that question was like, well, 1140 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 7: if you can't find a reason, is there one? 1141 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,400 Speaker 8: I will add, just as the reporter here who believes 1142 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 8: that it's the politician's job to get themselves across the 1143 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 8: way that they want to be perceived. Yes, I think 1144 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 8: it's on voters and all of us to ask these 1145 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 8: questions of our implicit bias, of why don't we accept 1146 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 8: a certain level of authenticity from people like Hillary Clinton, 1147 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 8: from people like Kamala Harris. I think all of those 1148 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 8: are very valid questions, and we don't allow women to 1149 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 8: showcase all of themselves because by b too likable, they're 1150 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 8: not strong enough. If they're too strong, then they're too shrill. 1151 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 8: All of those things are real. And also, you'll run 1152 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 8: within the environment that you run. It's not a secret 1153 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 8: that Harris has these problems. Her team is well aware. 1154 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 5: She is well aware. She ran a presidential that ended. 1155 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 8: Quite badly for a whole myriad number of reasons, but 1156 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 8: among them was the fact that she just at certain points, 1157 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 8: as the reporter asking the questions, didn't necessarily know her stuff. 1158 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 8: So it's on us to deal with our implicit biases 1159 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,960 Speaker 8: and the way that we look at these candidates, and 1160 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 8: it is very much on them to get it together 1161 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 8: and get them points across the way that they need 1162 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:33,640 Speaker 8: to be seen. 1163 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 7: But I will say again, inside of you, if you 1164 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 7: don't have money, you because how do you get that? 1165 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 7: How do you get how do you get the team 1166 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 7: that can give you and feed you. So I'm just 1167 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:46,440 Speaker 7: saying that I'm just going to. 1168 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:55,040 Speaker 6: Yes, literally part of that equation that we have to 1169 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 6: acknowledge to the point of your question, and it's this, Yes, 1170 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 6: their societal obligations. Yes, the candidate has obligations. This country 1171 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,480 Speaker 6: has enemies that do not want to see democracy prevail, 1172 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 6: and social media disinformation misinformation from those enemies plays an 1173 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 6: enormous role in negative characterizations of women like Hillary Clinton and. 1174 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,760 Speaker 7: Kamala Harris Good. 1175 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 4: Please, thank you tough for all of us. 1176 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,640 Speaker 6: And it means we need to push back and stay aware. 1177 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,640 Speaker 9: So thank you all so much for being here. 1178 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 12: So while I'm closer to retirement now, I started off 1179 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,480 Speaker 12: my career. I spent seven years running two abortion clinics 1180 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 12: in Dallas and in Fort Worth. 1181 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,640 Speaker 7: And thank you. 1182 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,160 Speaker 9: I remember the day that Bill Clinton was inaugurated. It 1183 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:45,640 Speaker 9: was an off. 1184 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,480 Speaker 12: We didn't have any patients that day, and I'm in 1185 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 12: the clinic by myself. My Angelou is doing her poem 1186 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 12: and I'm crying because I'm thinking, finally, it's okay, right, 1187 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,560 Speaker 12: We're done, and here we be. So in the light 1188 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 12: of not being surprised, you know, we a couple of 1189 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,320 Speaker 12: years ago and continuing, we have had national organizations that 1190 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,360 Speaker 12: have propagated anti abortion legislation like the actual wording, so 1191 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,240 Speaker 12: that it makes it very easy for state. 1192 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 9: Legislators to pass this. 1193 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 12: This past year we had anti trans youth issues, same 1194 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 12: wording across the multiple states. There's been some talk that 1195 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 12: the next step is contraception and the possibility of us 1196 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 12: living in a I guess of post Griswold world. 1197 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 9: What do you think about that? 1198 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 12: Or is the fact that ballot measures have been that 1199 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 12: Republicans have lost in ballot measures going to make that 1200 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 12: less likely? 1201 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 9: Or what do you think? 1202 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 6: So I'll just say one short thing, which is this, 1203 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 6: I'm from Alabama. Chris Kobak is the individual that you're 1204 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 6: referring to that put the groups together that wrote this legislation, 1205 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 6: anti immigration legislation, voter suppression legislation. It continues to be 1206 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,440 Speaker 6: a serious threat. We need to be aware of it 1207 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,040 Speaker 6: if we don't want to end up in a post Griswold, 1208 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 6: post vote right Zach world, which I am very frightened. 1209 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 7: Of, also posts marriage equality. I mean, so I just 1210 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 7: it's all the things right, and I'll just say the one, 1211 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,320 Speaker 7: the really most important pushback to all of this, because 1212 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 7: I don't want us to leave thinking that there we 1213 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,360 Speaker 7: don't have power, is we are the majority. We are 1214 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,439 Speaker 7: the majority, and the we looks like the country in 1215 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 7: all of its gorgeous beauty. And that is what we 1216 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,280 Speaker 7: have to mobilize to. And it goes back to that hope, 1217 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,800 Speaker 7: right is And the hope isn't inevitability. The hope is possibility. 1218 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,520 Speaker 7: But that hope comes from being able to come together 1219 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 7: and seeing the organizing that's happening both here in Texas, 1220 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 7: in Alabama, in other states Alabama Forward and all these 1221 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,520 Speaker 7: other like it's happening. So we just have to figure 1222 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 7: out how to wrap our arms around that and support that. 1223 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,280 Speaker 5: Thank you go ahead these right, Thank you. 1224 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,600 Speaker 13: My name is Jana Silms. I'm an organizer, and so 1225 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 13: in organizing, defining the narrative is very important and you 1226 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,000 Speaker 13: never want to let the opposition define the narrative. But 1227 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 13: my question is, have we done a good job of 1228 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 13: defining the narrative? Is pro choice the right narrative when 1229 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:22,320 Speaker 13: you're trying to compete with you know, killing babies? I mean, 1230 01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 13: And so I'm curious what y'all think about how we're 1231 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 13: doing undefining the narrative. 1232 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,280 Speaker 1: I'll take this one. So I would say I have 1233 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 1: really a problem with this the late term abortion discussion, 1234 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: because right, people are not having a people are not 1235 01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,680 Speaker 1: carrying children, and then being like at thirty weeks, you know, oh, 1236 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 1: I change my mind, right, like the people who are 1237 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: having abortions at that time. And I know because with 1238 01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,599 Speaker 1: my oldest son, he had a genetic disease and we 1239 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: we might have to have a second trimester abortion because 1240 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 1: he was going to die, and it turned out he 1241 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,679 Speaker 1: didn't have it. But my doctor was like, I don't 1242 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: do second trimester, and then she started telling me the 1243 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 1: horror stories of patients she had had who had, you know, 1244 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: a dead fetus and had to go to California because 1245 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 1: there was no doctor who did abortions that late. And 1246 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,400 Speaker 1: so I think that it's really, really really important that 1247 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,240 Speaker 1: we do not do enough defining like these these bands 1248 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,360 Speaker 1: are not. They they end up preventing people who you know, 1249 01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 1: they end up causing people who have dead babies to 1250 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,559 Speaker 1: be walking coffins, right, I mean that's what this is. 1251 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,559 Speaker 1: This is not you know, nobody is getting a kind 1252 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: of an abortion that late unless there is some you know, 1253 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,680 Speaker 1: either they're gonna die or the baby's gonna die. And 1254 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,360 Speaker 1: so we definitely don't do enough messaging on that. I 1255 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 1: would say with some of the other things, like we 1256 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's popular, like voters are out there voting 1257 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 1: for choice, right they and you know, with birth control, 1258 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,879 Speaker 1: like you start saying Republicans are coming for your birth control, 1259 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 1: that's very effective messaging. I mean, just like with pornography, 1260 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,360 Speaker 1: like Americans don't want Republicans coming for their pornography or 1261 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 1: their birth control, and so you know, I will I 1262 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: think that's a fight that Democrats should definitely have and 1263 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:15,840 Speaker 1: that they can win. 1264 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 7: Can I just say the one thing I agree totally 1265 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,200 Speaker 7: women of color, though I have a much more complicated 1266 01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,959 Speaker 7: relationship to it. So this is where I think values 1267 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 7: messaging is so important, and it's one of the things 1268 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 7: we have not been good enough at. You know, we 1269 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,080 Speaker 7: become so issue focused and I see self reflection. So 1270 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,800 Speaker 7: I mean, I think we and what the right has 1271 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,680 Speaker 7: done so well is not right. That's why they can 1272 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,599 Speaker 7: say war on woke and like attack banking regulations, like 1273 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,719 Speaker 7: what the heck does that have to do with woke? 1274 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,080 Speaker 7: But you know, so, but they can use that right 1275 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 7: for everything, and you know in this fight, because I 1276 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,080 Speaker 7: do think and going back to this point is you 1277 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 7: know what people are upset about is wait, you trying 1278 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,440 Speaker 7: to get between me and making some really personal decisions. 1279 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,880 Speaker 7: Like that's why we have a lot of religious women 1280 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,759 Speaker 7: who are deeply religious and actually have very strong feelings 1281 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,679 Speaker 7: about abortion being a sin, saying but that's not okay. 1282 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,639 Speaker 7: So I do think like finding the value that really 1283 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,360 Speaker 7: is redefining freedom because one of the things that the 1284 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 7: right has done really effectively is redefined freedom as a 1285 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,880 Speaker 7: weapon for what is truly freedom right, And so we 1286 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 7: have to take back that value of what freedom really is, 1287 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 7: and freedom is the right to make decisions about your 1288 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,240 Speaker 7: own body. Freedom is about the right to get the 1289 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,040 Speaker 7: care you want, make the decisions you want. Freedom is 1290 01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 7: about the marry whoever the hell you love. You know, 1291 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,000 Speaker 7: it's all these things, and it's our kind of underpinning. 1292 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,080 Speaker 7: But it's a shared value across politics, and we have 1293 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 7: to animate that more and then that enables us to 1294 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,920 Speaker 7: also talk to our particular communities where it's not pro 1295 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,280 Speaker 7: choice for a lot of black women, but it is 1296 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,400 Speaker 7: pro freedom. It is pro freedom to make your own 1297 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,640 Speaker 7: decisions about your family, including to have healthy babies. If 1298 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 7: you choose, please go ahead. 1299 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 14: Kay. 1300 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,080 Speaker 15: I think the question we're asking about Kamala Harris is wrong. 1301 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,040 Speaker 15: It's not what she is doing wrong that's blaming her. 1302 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,599 Speaker 15: I'm tired of that, tired of blameing women. The question 1303 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,240 Speaker 15: is what is Biden doing wrong. A good leader in 1304 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,599 Speaker 15: any setting uses the people that he has chosen and 1305 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,720 Speaker 15: has put around him. He's not giving her the opportunity 1306 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,720 Speaker 15: to shine. And I think if he gave her the opportunity, 1307 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,680 Speaker 15: and if every president before him had given their vice 1308 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,559 Speaker 15: president the opportunity to shine, maybe it'd be a different place. 1309 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,880 Speaker 15: But he's just doing what every president before has done, 1310 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 15: which is not letting your vice president do anything so 1311 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,840 Speaker 15: I just was wondering what your thoughts are. 1312 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 7: So I, well, this is a complicated question because there's 1313 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,559 Speaker 7: a whole bunch of inside baseball that I won't pretend 1314 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,760 Speaker 7: I know all of and what I do know is 1315 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,320 Speaker 7: it's complicated. What I will say, though, is I think 1316 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,439 Speaker 7: we are seeing her both being utilized and being much 1317 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,679 Speaker 7: more of a presence than she was a year ago 1318 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 7: on these unreally critical from from Roe from abortion to 1319 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 7: voting rights. And actually she's taking a very active role 1320 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,880 Speaker 7: now I'm missing disinformation and what to do about artificial intelligence, 1321 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:29,200 Speaker 7: and she's taking leaderships. So I hear that, and I 1322 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,640 Speaker 7: think there's a legitimate conversation to have around what is 1323 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,640 Speaker 7: the empowerment, what is how is the president you know, 1324 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,720 Speaker 7: organizing his cabinet. I mean, that's really it's that's a 1325 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,559 Speaker 7: that's a broader question as well. And there's a lot of, 1326 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,200 Speaker 7: for instance, consternation about whether it's cabinet secretaries are being 1327 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,200 Speaker 7: given enough independence to do the things they want to 1328 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 7: do because there's so much fear sometimes about the politics. 1329 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,320 Speaker 7: So it's a legitimate thing to raise. I just want 1330 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 7: to say we it's important for us to recognize she's 1331 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 7: doing a lot more of it, and she's doing it 1332 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,440 Speaker 7: a lot better. And it's this is an a static situation. 1333 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,800 Speaker 8: Hi, what one baby ad is It's still politics. You know, 1334 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,680 Speaker 8: you're not going to tee up the next coming or 1335 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 8: whoever's next. Even though Biden says that he's going to 1336 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 8: pass the torch kind of leader. This is a guy 1337 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 8: that's wanted to be president for three decades. He tried 1338 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,080 Speaker 8: three times, He's finally there. This explains a lot of 1339 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,479 Speaker 8: the current moment. And as much as I think he 1340 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 8: wants to be a torch bearer within the party. 1341 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,760 Speaker 5: It's still politics. At the end of the day. 1342 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,200 Speaker 8: You're not going to tee up your best competition and 1343 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,160 Speaker 8: overshadow yourself. 1344 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,760 Speaker 6: But can I add one last thing about that. I 1345 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,120 Speaker 6: think it's a very interesting question because it goes to 1346 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:48,040 Speaker 6: the issue of management style and leadership style, and the 1347 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,200 Speaker 6: point that presidents for time immemorial have not pushed forward 1348 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,240 Speaker 6: their vice presidents for the reasons that Ali identified. I 1349 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,120 Speaker 6: think that's absolutely accurate. So I am intrigued by this 1350 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,759 Speaker 6: news we got this week that Kamala Harris is running 1351 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 6: point on this new gun control office. You know, it 1352 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 6: seemed like she got sidelined sidelined, and whether it was 1353 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 6: the fault of her staff or just something dysfunctional going 1354 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,360 Speaker 6: on on tough issues like the border that no Democratic 1355 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 6: can ever win on, right. I mean that was just 1356 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,960 Speaker 6: don't please, don't send her to the border, this gun 1357 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,879 Speaker 6: control issue. 1358 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,719 Speaker 7: I am fascinated to see. 1359 01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,439 Speaker 6: What she makes of it, because I think she's a 1360 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,519 Speaker 6: strong and a forceful leader, and I think Joe Biden 1361 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,320 Speaker 6: actually appreciates her. The relationship seems to be genuine. So 1362 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 6: I would just put that asterisk to the question and say, 1363 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,320 Speaker 6: let's see what happens. 1364 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,600 Speaker 3: So I think we're technically out of time, but I 1365 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 3: did want to let you ask a question. 1366 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,599 Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm sharing from Ohio, and I appreciate Allie's shout out. 1367 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,200 Speaker 14: We worked really hard to defeat that little slide in 1368 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:56,320 Speaker 14: special election in August. So since most elections, you know, 1369 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,160 Speaker 14: you have your left and your right, and people are 1370 01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,960 Speaker 14: dug in, so most of it is in the middle. 1371 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,080 Speaker 14: I know a lot of anti abortion people are just 1372 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 14: anti choice to begin with. There are some that are 1373 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:14,560 Speaker 14: truly religiously anti abortion. David French, I'm sure all you know, evangelical, 1374 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 14: very pro life, brought up some really interesting points when 1375 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,200 Speaker 14: I was talking to him this morning, if that I 1376 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 14: think might be convincing to pro life people to vote 1377 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:31,080 Speaker 14: for a Democrat. His points were, he posed the questions, 1378 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,880 Speaker 14: who do you think had the most reduced rate of 1379 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 14: abortions of any administration? It was the Obama administration, he said, 1380 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:45,360 Speaker 14: by like three hundred thousand a year less abortions because 1381 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,120 Speaker 14: of the infrastructure of trying to support families. He said, 1382 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,040 Speaker 14: what administration do you think had the most abortions for 1383 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:59,200 Speaker 14: the last twenty year? The Trumpump exactly exactly. So if 1384 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,800 Speaker 14: you're concern really is so he talked about like just 1385 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,120 Speaker 14: trying to legislate is not going to work. So if 1386 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,920 Speaker 14: your concern really is to prevent abortion and you are 1387 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 14: pro life, then maybe you should consider expanding support for 1388 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,920 Speaker 14: people to be able to choose that. So I just 1389 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,040 Speaker 14: thought maybe that could change people that aren't dug in, 1390 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,360 Speaker 14: you know, either way, that they could say, yes, I'm 1391 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,760 Speaker 14: pro life, I'm supporting this candidate. They're pro choice, but 1392 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,679 Speaker 14: in the end, what they support is going to cause 1393 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,800 Speaker 14: fewer abortions. So what are your thoughts on that? 1394 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,160 Speaker 4: Quickly does somebody want to answer? 1395 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the supposition here is that these 1396 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:45,000 Speaker 1: people are not hypocrites, right, I mean there's not you know, 1397 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,519 Speaker 1: look the child tax credit right lifted all these children 1398 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,519 Speaker 1: out of poverty. Now they're all support it. This is 1399 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,720 Speaker 1: not about this is about power and control. This is 1400 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,280 Speaker 1: not about you know, these people and a lot of 1401 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,519 Speaker 1: these people, you know, payper If their daughters need an abortion, 1402 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,639 Speaker 1: they'll pay for it in a minute. So I just think, 1403 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,040 Speaker 1: like what, I love David and I think he's very 1404 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,759 Speaker 1: smart and a good writer. But you know, he truly 1405 01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,720 Speaker 1: believes this, whereas I think a lot of these people don't. 1406 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,600 Speaker 4: So I just want to thank all of you for 1407 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 4: being here. 1408 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,839 Speaker 3: I want to thank Molly, John Fast, Joyce, Fan Smyle Wiley, 1409 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,560 Speaker 3: Hallie VI's Hallie. 1410 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,519 Speaker 4: Thank you guys all for being here. Thank you. 1411 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:35,120 Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Yes, do you have a moment 1412 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,200 Speaker 1: of fuckery for us? 1413 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,439 Speaker 2: I always have a moment of fuckery for you, Molly. 1414 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:39,519 Speaker 1: Let's hear the moment. 1415 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,559 Speaker 2: Here's the moment of fuckery. Matt Gates is the Dobbs 1416 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,519 Speaker 2: decision of Republican inter party politics. On the one hand, 1417 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,120 Speaker 2: he got everything he wanted. He got the chaos, he 1418 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,160 Speaker 2: got the monkey show, he got the insanity and he 1419 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,000 Speaker 2: got the guy he hated the most killed off. But now, 1420 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 2: just like with Dobbs, when Republicans caught when the dog 1421 01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,320 Speaker 2: caught the car, the consequences of it are going to 1422 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,599 Speaker 2: be catastrophic because, let me tell you, Matt Gates doesn't 1423 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,840 Speaker 2: want to be in the minority. Matt Gates doesn't want 1424 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,679 Speaker 2: to be the guy who who will go down most 1425 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,840 Speaker 2: likely as the guy that costs Republicans their majority in 1426 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,080 Speaker 2: the House. That's a rarity, that's something that you just 1427 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,439 Speaker 2: don't get that frequently. Nobody fucks up that badly. But 1428 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:23,719 Speaker 2: it looks like Matthew has. 1429 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,559 Speaker 1: That is a really good point. That is I hadn't 1430 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,160 Speaker 1: even thought of that, but it is. He is the 1431 01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,920 Speaker 1: Dobbs decision of the Republican Party, which is a little 1432 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,479 Speaker 1: bit ironic. What I might say one might I'm going 1433 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,679 Speaker 1: to say that my moment of fuckery is JD Vance 1434 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 1: because Jdvans lied about that. I mean, it was like 1435 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:51,080 Speaker 1: there was so little time between the like horrendous, horrendous 1436 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,559 Speaker 1: kidnapping videos we saw and the horrible violence we saw 1437 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,920 Speaker 1: and these like children and women and old ladies being 1438 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,240 Speaker 1: kidnapped to Jdvance being like this is all Joe Biden's 1439 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,720 Speaker 1: fault because of the nuclear deal, and Jadvance is like 1440 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,760 Speaker 1: has multiple Ivy League degrees, Like the man is just 1441 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,080 Speaker 1: a fucking liar. 1442 01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't really debate that part. His mendacity is stratospheric. 1443 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. I hope you'll 1444 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:26,160 Speaker 1: come here. 1445 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,200 Speaker 2: You are very welcome as always. 1446 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 15: My friend. 1447 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,320 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 1448 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,599 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds 1449 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,840 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 1450 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,639 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 1451 01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,240 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.