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Speaker 1: Lebron James is on the expiring contract.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: You know, he posted a video he was working at

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Speaker 1: the Clipper facilities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've seen that. Yeah, I saw that. What

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Speaker 2: that means, I don't don't know if I can speak

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Speaker 3: All my Life, grinding, all my life, sacrifice, Hustle pet Price,

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Speaker 3: One Slice got the brother of Geist, the Swap, All

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Speaker 3: my Life, Poppy grinding all my life, All my life, grinding,

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Speaker 3: all my life, sacrifice, Hustle, pet Price, one Slice Got

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Speaker 3: the Bronc Geist, The Swap, All my Life, Poppy, Grinding

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the pride of

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Speaker 1: Club Sha Sha, stopping by for conversation on the drink today.

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Speaker 1: He's a two time NBA champion as a player for

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Lakers. He's the coach that offered the

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Speaker 1: greatest comeback in Finals history with his team down three

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Speaker 1: to one with two of the last three games on

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Speaker 1: the road. And don't forget that Warriors team had the

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Speaker 1: best regular season record in NBA history at seventy three

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Speaker 1: and nine. He helped the Cleveland Cavaliers win the first

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Speaker 1: and only NBA title. He's the Olympic gold medal winning

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Speaker 1: coach first Team All in Big twelve point guard selection.

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Speaker 1: His number ten is retired by the University of Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: He has a street named after himself in his hometown

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Speaker 1: of Mexico, Missouri. The current head coach of the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Clippers that led them to the first ever Conference finals. Here,

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Speaker 1: he is, Ladies and gentlemen, Tyrone lu Jylue. What do

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: How you doing? I'm good, bro.

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Speaker 1: When growing up in Mexico, Missouri, if somebody would have

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Speaker 1: told ten year old Tylo, you're gonna be an NBA

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Speaker 1: player and you're gonna play on with two of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players in NBA history, You'll later become a head coach,

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Speaker 1: and you'll off be author the greatest comeback in NBA

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Speaker 1: finals history. If somebody would have told ten year old

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Speaker 1: Tyron Lou that, what would you have told him?

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Speaker 2: Hell no, hell no. But I mean, you know you

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Speaker 2: always dream and dream big. You know you put the

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Speaker 2: work in. But to like come as far from you

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Speaker 2: know where I come from, It's just it's crazy. It's

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Speaker 2: crazy to believe in like I said, been blessed. Like

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Speaker 2: I've talked about it all the time, just you know,

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Speaker 2: come from Mexico, Missouri, a small town where we call

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Speaker 2: it one way in, no way out right, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so to make it out and be able to

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Speaker 2: help the people out, being able to help it's just

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Speaker 2: a blessing.

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Speaker 1: You know. My brother tells the story all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's like coming from rural South Georgia where there's really

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Speaker 2: It was hard. But I idolized my uncle Jay Graves.

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Speaker 2: You know, he played basketball. He wore number ten, so

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Speaker 1: The right direction. Yeah you Mexican.

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Speaker 2: Did you see them with all the cars, with all

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Speaker 1: Here we are now. You're the head colach of the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: Big acquisitions this offseason. You make the trade for Bradley Bill,

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul comes back after what four or five years

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for us is just health.

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Speaker 2: we lean a lot on James. James was great, you know,

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Speaker 2: like a like we're gonna be a defensive minded, tough team,

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Speaker 2: and that's who we became. You know. So James led

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Speaker 2: And then when Kawhi came back, you know, you try

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Speaker 2: James is back. You know, we got Brook Lopez, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think for a majority of the season, I think

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Speaker 1: Does Bradley Bill coming in, does he replace what you

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Speaker 1: lost with Norman Power? Because you had to move Norman?

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Speaker 1: How he moves on in power? He's explosive, He's an

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Speaker 1: He went to the All Star Game. He averaged thirty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know Norm, like I said, let

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Speaker 2: But Bradley beal, like you said, it's been a perennial

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Speaker 2: you got Booker and KD and you the third option.

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Speaker 2: Like people are like, oh, well, he has eighteen points,

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Speaker 1: How difficult is it t Lou to get a guy

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Speaker 1: Like you said, he's had good numbers, but I think

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Speaker 1: he struggled because when you go from thirty to eighteen

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Speaker 1: that's a big and people look at you different, they

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Speaker 2: Right, but the talk really doesn't matter because you don't

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Speaker 2: know how the team is structured and how they're how they.

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Speaker 1: Want to play.

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Speaker 2: You know, he might took a backseat to KD and

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Speaker 2: lost in the sauces because James is such a great passer. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he makes it easier for everybody to play the game,

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Speaker 2: He can cut, catch and shoot, can come off screens,

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, you bring him back, what are your expectations,

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Speaker 1: because I think what the CP going into his twentieth season,

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Speaker 2: Your man goes to win, and so I think they're

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Speaker 2: it takes. But you know CP, you know, being forty

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean. Like, so nobody plays

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Speaker 1: You played alongside Kobe, You played alongside Jordan. Has Kawhi

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Speaker 2: six he was an elimination game, right, he had thirty

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00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,320
Speaker 2: one thirty six, you know, So, like, I don't think

433
00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960
Speaker 2: it's a mental thing. I think teams are prepping for

434
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,080
Speaker 2: a hell of a guy, you know. So when you

435
00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 2: have two or three guys loaded up, not gonna let

436
00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,159
Speaker 2: you play to your strengths, not gonna let you iso

437
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 2: and get to where you want to get to, it

438
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 2: just makes it tough, you know. And so that's when

439
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,679
Speaker 2: other guys got to help out. That's when I got

440
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 2: to help out. That's when other guys got to step up.

441
00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,639
Speaker 2: And I'll just take most of the blame. Like if

442
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,520
Speaker 2: he's not if he's not performing, if my players are

443
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,199
Speaker 2: not performing, I tell you yes on me, you know,

444
00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,120
Speaker 2: and so for me, if that's gonna be a problem,

445
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,040
Speaker 2: then we just gotta win six games, don't go to senate.

446
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that dunk, that dunk, that put

447
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 1: back dunk by Gordon. Really it took a lot out

448
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,520
Speaker 1: because y'all had y'all had that with it, then all

449
00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,119
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like, we'll buy what you're gonna go?

450
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,880
Speaker 1: Do I think you're about to go? No, y'all would

451
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,440
Speaker 1: have won the game. Yeah, No, it was tired. Yeah,

452
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 1: something that I can't recall. And you were around Kobe

453
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 1: a lot more than me and Jordan. I can't recall

454
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,239
Speaker 1: if he did it either. But when they had a

455
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 1: bad game, they never dunked out on the medias. It

456
00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,159
Speaker 1: bothers me. When things go well, God drop a forty

457
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 1: point triple double, the guy got fifty sixty, they'll talk,

458
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 1: they have a bad game, and then they run from

459
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,920
Speaker 1: their responsibility of talking to the media.

460
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 2: What's your take on that, T Lou? I don't like it,

461
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, but I think guys are built certain ways

462
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 2: in different ways. And I don't think it's more of

463
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,919
Speaker 2: a disrespect thing. I think it was more like you

464
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 2: let yourself down because they trained so hard and you

465
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 2: work so hard to get to these moments, and if

466
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 2: you don't play well, like you pissed off it yourself correct,

467
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 2: it's not the media or anybody else, and so you know,

468
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,719
Speaker 2: it's better ways you can handle it. I think guys should,

469
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 2: but you never know how guys are feeling. Some guys, Yeah,

470
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 2: some guys can't handle it. You might get them on

471
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 2: stage and they.

472
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: Might be glad. You're like, yeah, you should have un

473
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 1: down on that, you know.

474
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I wish it was a better way

475
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,239
Speaker 2: they could handle it. But you know, you know, if

476
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: you don't play well, if you don't do what you're

477
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: supposed to do, step up and meet the responsibilities, you

478
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: know of doing the media.

479
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 1: That ninety eight draft class, Dirk Paul Pierce, Vince Carter,

480
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: Mike Babe, l Harrington, Larry Hughes, Rishard Lewis, and Dwan Jamison,

481
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 1: Jason Williams, Bondsi Well, Ricky Davis, ray For, Austin Coatino Moblet,

482
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: Earl Boykins.

483
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 2: What do you.

484
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 1: Remember about that draft class. Yeah, I had night little Ya. Definitely,

485
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 1: y'all had night Little Squality. Dirk's in the hall, Appearces

486
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: going to the hall, Vinz Carter's in the hall.

487
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was crazy because you know, my

488
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: junior year, you know, at Nebraska, I had a you know,

489
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,959
Speaker 2: I had a really good year, and so I was like, man,

490
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: can I come out because I didn't know if Steve

491
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 2: Francis is gonna come up? And then Baron Davis and

492
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: Baron Davis it got hurt and he tours A c

493
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 2: L and at U c l A, and so when

494
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: he got pushed back, he's gonna come out that year. Right,

495
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 2: So if beat he would have came out. How that

496
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 2: came back to school for my senior year, right, you know,

497
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: so once he got hurt, that's why I beat my guy.

498
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 2: So once he got hurt, I was like, I gotta

499
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 2: I gotta make a move, you know, And so I

500
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 2: came out, you know, ended up being the twenty third pick.

501
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 2: But just going through that draft, it was it was

502
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 2: crazy because I had a chance and opportunit. I need

503
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: to go fifteen, Like Orlando said, they were gonna take

504
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: me fifteenth because they had three picks they had, So

505
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: they took Mike Doliac at twelve, Keon Clark at thirteen,

506
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: and then for fifteen they're supposed to take me, they

507
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: took Matt Harpering and then yeah from Georgia Tech. And

508
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: then I think sixteen was I think Michael Dickett, but

509
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: then Michael Dixon went fourteen, and then Bryce Drew went sixteenth,

510
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: and I was supposed to win sixteenth, and I didn't

511
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: do that, you know, So then when you don't know,

512
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: you kind of like, oh, you know what's going down.

513
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: So you thought fifteen, fifteen, seventy eighteen, so you start sliding.

514
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, did I make the right decision?

515
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: Right? And so you know, they want to have a

516
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: draft party back in Mexico for me, and I was like, man,

517
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be embarrassed, Like I ain't having a

518
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: draft party. Don't getting drafted. So I was in New York,

519
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, with my agent, Andy Miller, at his house,

520
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: and so you know, when I heard my name get

521
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: called by the Denver Nuggets twenty third pick, like I

522
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: went crazy. It was like a dream come true. And

523
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: you know for a guy like you said from Mexico

524
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen, right, you know. And so it was

525
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: like you know, blas in the dream come true.

526
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: And then you got there, you get traded, you like,

527
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: we get drafted to other another twenty third pick, Tyrod

528
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: LUs Yeah, yay, that pick was traded to the law.

529
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 2: You're backflips. Go from having to like backflips man the Lakers,

530
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: Kobe and come on, come on Colb and Shaq and

531
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: like being in La and then so like what blew

532
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: my high was? I was like when when they said

533
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: traded to the Lakers, because I know Jerry Weston came

534
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: and watched me play in Hawaii. We played against Virginia

535
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: and I had a hell of a game. He was

536
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: sitting courtside like thumbs up, winking that message. Oh, like

537
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, let me keep this up.

538
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: And so they say I get traded to the Lakers. Man,

539
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: I jump off the caps. I go crazy. My agent

540
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: scared me. Well, this is totally different. You're not going

541
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: to Denver. You going to the Lakers. So this is

542
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: very important. You gotta so he scared me. So now

543
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm going from being high to like scare me, kill

544
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: my high, Like and we talked about to this day,

545
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: like damn, Like I was like excited, and now he

546
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: scared me because now like I'm like, like what I

547
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: got to do now? Like you know, so, but like

548
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: that was that was huge, man.

549
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: But you go into a situation tu where you were like,

550
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: you're all big twelve and you're handling the ball, you're scoring,

551
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: and you know that's not gonna be you what you're

552
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna be doing to la, So.

553
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: How how do you transition?

554
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: Because you transitioned like you like forgot, I mean you

555
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: could score, but you like, nah, that isin't my thing.

556
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Let me lock in on this defensive end. That's how

557
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be.

558
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, what's crazy is that, you know, like coming out

559
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: of college average twenty three, Yeah that year, you know,

560
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: and so all knew was scoring on basketball and you know,

561
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: playing with pace, playing with speed. And so when I

562
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: got to the Lakers, you know, I came in it

563
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: was lockout season, you know. So the first thirty five games,

564
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: I ain't even I ain't even suit up. I didn't

565
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: even suit up. Dangn I wasn't here. I wore I

566
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: wore a suit for the first thirty five games. And

567
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: so you know when we played fifty games that season, right,

568
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: you know, Dale Harris got fired and Kurt Rambits took over, right,

569
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: and he was my workout guy, you know that whole

570
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: time while Dale Harris was you know, was there. And

571
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: so the last fifteen games, he gave me opportunity to play,

572
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: and I play, you know, I played well, you know,

573
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: but just looking at it, like every day I'm like

574
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: scoring in practice, I'm doing my thing. Never got me

575
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: on the floor, but just sitting back and just observing

576
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: and seeing what guys were doing and what I could bring.

577
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, like de Fish is a he's a

578
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: he's a good player, solid player, makes open shots, does

579
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: the right thing, doesn't turn the ball over. But we

580
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: don't have an energy guy, like a guy could pick

581
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: up full court pressure to basketball like And so just

582
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: looking at that and just learning from that instead of

583
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, being pissed off and being mad, like, just

584
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: learning getting better. I see what they needed, and when

585
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: I got my opportunity, man, I just picked up. I

586
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: ain't never been a defensive player defense, but like I've

587
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: always been a score right, you know, And so to

588
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: be able to do that and see what we needed

589
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: and then make that my niche to get on the floor,

590
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Like that's what I had to do, so I was

591
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: willing to do it.

592
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: You should be. You should be like all a lot

593
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: of these players look up to Michael Jordan and all

594
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: these other guys, Peyton Princet and t J. Mccollins should

595
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: look up.

596
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: To you.

597
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: That that was your gig before, way way way back.

598
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: When. Yeah, you you get to La Shaq, and people

599
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: always talk about Shack generosity. Is reported that Shaq gave

600
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: you a sum of money to go to go get

601
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: lays down.

602
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: It's funny because you know, when I first met him,

603
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: we went to the Sentry Club, and so when I

604
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: first met him, didn't know who I was, like they

605
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: had drafted me. He didn't even know who I was.

606
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: And then Uncle Jerome like, man, that's the guy we

607
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: just dropped from. Right, He's like, oh, okay, like whatever whatever.

608
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: He said, all right, well just come to the house tomorrow.

609
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: I have my chef cook and just come by. And

610
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: so I said, all right, So I bought a couple

611
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: of my guys. We go to Shack's house. Man a

612
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: hell of a spread. We eat good, and so we're

613
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: just sitting around talking and he's like, all right here,

614
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, before you leave. Hold up. So he goes

615
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: to the back, comes out with ten thousand dollars like here,

616
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: go shop and get yourself. Like what He's like, yeah,

617
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: I said, I can't pay this back, Like just lockout.

618
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm getting have my money like h no, no, no,

619
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: just keep it. Don't worry about it, just keep it.

620
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: That's kind of guy. He was like bought Mark matching

621
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: the truck, like because he you know, he wasn't getting around,

622
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: but like that's who he was. Man. Like, Shaq would

623
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: give you anything, and he took care of a lot

624
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: of people. And like I said, he don't get a

625
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: lot of credit for that, but he's always been like that.

626
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: He's like a big kid. Yeah you see him. I

627
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: mean the thing like he goes in the store, he's

628
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: like and and the parents to tell the kid to

629
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: put it back because they can't pay for it. He said, nah,

630
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: I got it right. And he's he is, he's a

631
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: he's an overside. He's a fifty yard I think Shaq's

632
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: probably fifty fifty one fifty two. But he's a big kid. Yeah,

633
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: he's a big kid that walks the best for everything. Everybody, everybody. Yeah,

634
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: he a prankster though, a super prankster, a super prankster.

635
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: So one time, you know, Devin George, you know, we're

636
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: on the team and and you know, shack It told

637
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: him to do something, he didn't do it. And so

638
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: usually he'll like put a towel, wrap a towel around

639
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: his hands. He'll punch you and beat you up until

640
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, till you surrender.

641
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: But this day, like Devin, we had a game and

642
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: Devin in want he didn't do something that morning, bring

643
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: donuts or the newspaper or something. And Shaq went the

644
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: bathroom and he he shipped and he shipped in Devon's shoes.

645
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 2: And so so when he come out of the locker room,

646
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: he kind of like you know, doctor would come to

647
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: to like the top of your shoe. So never not

648
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: knowing we're getting ready for the game, never not knowing,

649
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: he comes in and puts your shoe in and he

650
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: puts his you know, foot in the in a in

651
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: a pile of shit. Shot Like he would do stuff

652
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: like that all the time, like just just ca yeah,

653
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: crazy stuff, man, So what did Devin do? What could

654
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: he do?

655
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do?

656
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: Like man, Come on, he was mad, but like what

657
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: could he do?

658
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: You know?

659
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: And now you can do about that, like just take

660
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: it as a loss while they might get beat up

661
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: and until you might get cut.

662
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm.

663
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: But he was also you played with Dennis Robins.

664
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what would because obviously he's one of the

665
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: great small reboundings that he might be the greatest small

666
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: rebounding in the NBA history. You talked about the guy

667
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: a six shoven that led the league in rebinding for

668
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: like seven straight years. I mean, he he was getting

669
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen rebounds a game, which is unheard of.

670
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: So what what was he like? Was he like because

671
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: you know Shack, I saw Shack said he didn't take

672
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: he didn't like to take showers. He would leave and

673
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: go straight to the club. So what was he like practice?

674
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, he.

675
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: Was a hard worker. You know, he was quiet, like

676
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: he didn't really do a lot of talking, but when

677
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: he stepped on the floor, like he gave everything he

678
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: had every single day, you know. And so the funny

679
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: thing is, like when we wore our practice uniforms and stuff,

680
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: he always wore like pajama pants and like a white

681
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: T shirt. That's how he practiced, you know. But I

682
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: mean just you know, talking to him on the end

683
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: of the bench because I wasn't playing the time, right, So,

684
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: like I said, the first thirty five games, like I'm

685
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: on the sideline, he comes sitting on the end of

686
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: the bench and like just talking to me about you know,

687
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: what Jordan did, Like how Kobe you know, reminds him

688
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: a lot of Jordan on the similarities. And we just talk,

689
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, a lot at the end of the bench,

690
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: you know. But he wasn't a big talker, you know,

691
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: hard worker. I don't like the way it ended. They

692
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, made like it was his

693
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: fault or whatever, but it wasn't.

694
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Was he taking the shoes off at that time?

695
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he always had shoes. Yeah, he always

696
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: had the shoes off. And now that I'm old, I

697
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: see why. It's comfortable, you know, but like I see why.

698
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, he wasn't a problem at all. Like

699
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: he when he was supposed to do his job, he

700
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: did his job, and you saw it. By the fans

701
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: loved him too.

702
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: When it was Oh yeah, they love everywhere he's been.

703
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: The fans love him. You were the Lakers from ninety

704
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: eight to two thousand and one, you won two championships.

705
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: What was that time like because LA loved winners and

706
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: if you win in l A your gold you're golden forever.

707
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was like being you know with

708
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: the Beatles, you know what I mean. Ye had Kobe Shack,

709
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, I had Rick Fox who was a movie star,

710
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: you Knowron Harper, one with you know, one with Yeah

711
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 2: b shaw D Fish, you know. Then the first one

712
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: was Glenn Rice. We have Robert ri and Horace Grant.

713
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: It was just like like travel the Beatles, you know,

714
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: and like every city we went to, you know, shaq

715
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: had a party, a birthday party, like like when is

716
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: your birthday? Every time we went to a new city,

717
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: like to night Shaquilla on your birthday Batch, you know.

718
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: And so you know, when we get there, like the

719
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: whole team. That's that's what was different about now and

720
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: then back then our whole team went out like fifteen

721
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: guys like every single night. So when we got to

722
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: a city, we go out, have fun, we kick it.

723
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: But you knew like every time we stepped into the arena,

724
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: like we was gonna win, like and so like to

725
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: have that feeling knowing that when we go into an arena,

726
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna win, Like it was no better feeling. And then,

727
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: like I said at the time, having the two best

728
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: players in the world, Like, I mean, what could you

729
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: do about that?

730
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Would you say, because you were there, you were in it.

731
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Would you say, guys were closer?

732
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: Then?

733
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Are our teams guys closer now?

734
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: Closer?

735
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Then?

736
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean because you didn't have a social media Guys,

737
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: wasn't playing all the video games. You know, it wasn't

738
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: a lot to do. So guys we always say connected,

739
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: You play cards, you know, you went out together, you

740
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: went to dinner together. But now with just so much

741
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: social media and so many you know, movie outlets and

742
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: all the different things you can do now, it's just

743
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: it's totally different, you know. But back then, like we

744
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: always together every day and like every team I was

745
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: on back then, it was the same way.

746
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: You're coming out. Unfortunately for you was in the NBA

747
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Finals because that's when people everybody knew, like Tyron lou

748
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: was and you took the assignment of guarding Alan Iris,

749
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: who was the MVP that season, and look, he went, hey,

750
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: why he went that first game won? He went crazy,

751
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: and but you were undeterred, like when you when like

752
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: you give it and everything you got it like come on,

753
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you got to get like, bro,

754
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm giving this dude everything I got. I mean, ain't

755
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: nothing working.

756
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: No, he's a beast, like I mean, to be relentless

757
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: the way he was and how you're attacked every single time,

758
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: like and it's crazy, Like he's like probably two or

759
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: three years older than me, but I idolized him, right,

760
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: just you know, just how he carried himself, you know,

761
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: being six foot, you know, with the braids, and you know,

762
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: bringing that hip hop culture to you know.

763
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: To the NBA.

764
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: You have the heavy influence on the NBA. And so

765
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: it was crazy. The two weeks leading up to the finals.

766
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: I played Ai in practice every single day. I was

767
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: able to run fast and forget the triangle like I

768
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: was staying, you know, run fast, shoot all the balls.

769
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: And so I knew everything just studying the film, watching

770
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: him and all of his counters, everything he did. And

771
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: so in that first half, you know, I didn't play,

772
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, I was on the side. I didn't play

773
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: the first half of the game, right, And so with

774
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: six minutes to go in the third quarter, I'm sitting

775
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: on the floor of me and Devin George and then

776
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: you know, Phil looks down to the end of the bench.

777
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: It's like Lousie. I was like, I jumped up. I

778
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: jumped up at this point, A I had thirty six

779
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: points already. What you want me to do with six

780
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: minutes to go in the third quarter? You don't say

781
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: the end of with forty eight. But like just having

782
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: that chance to play and like say, play against someone

783
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: you idolized and respected so much, you know. So I

784
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: know a lot of people make it like a big

785
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: deal of the step over and all that, but like

786
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: to me, it's just competing. Like if you play hard,

787
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: you compete, there's gonna be some things that happen that

788
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: you don't want to happen. You gonna get dunked on,

789
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna get cossed over, you know whatever it made.

790
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: But like they act like he casts me over. I

791
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: fell down, he stepped over, like he made a good move.

792
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: You're not contented to shot walked back. He stepped over me.

793
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing was Doug Collins because

794
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: he oh, he steps over. Look, it goes crazy. So

795
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: that made a big deal out of it, which you know,

796
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: it don't bother me, like people see me all the time,

797
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, I got an a I stepped over.

798
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: So that's how I'm known, not a few time championship,

799
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, like not nothing like the guy. Yeah, the

800
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: guy that AI stepped over.

801
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: So it's whatever with Ai had the toughest matchup you

802
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: had because you've had to go, I mean you had

803
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: to guard a lot.

804
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean no, he was the toughest matchup I ever

805
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: had a guard, hands down.

806
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: But when you look at because I'm older day and

807
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I remember him, I mean he's six foot tall. But

808
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: he then did he did he wait one.

809
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: Sixty one sixty one sixty But man, just speed, athletic

810
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: ability on the way he attacked you, like his handle,

811
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: like he just he could do everything. Shoot it mid

812
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: range to the rack, finish over big, dunk on a

813
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: big like get you in foul trouble. And then in

814
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: transition he was like a minite to Lebron Like he

815
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: was unstoppable in transition, you know, And so he definitely

816
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: was the hardest guy I had to guard, you know,

817
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: in my career.

818
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: Kobe. You were close to Kobe, and did you you

819
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: guys played a lot of a lot of one.

820
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: You get him, never this guy right here. So funny

821
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: story is, so my second year, I think eighth game

822
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: of the season, I got hurt. So I had to

823
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: get micro fractor surgery and Kobe broke his hand. And

824
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: so when we got better, like you know, just rehabbing

825
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: or whatever. So like that, for three months, me and

826
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: Kobe worked out every single day the team was on

827
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: the road. It's just me and Kobe and so uh,

828
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: me and my cousin dud. We would go to the

829
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: gym and we'll play one on one full court and

830
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: I could never beat him, like I could, you know,

831
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: because I was a good one great one on one player.

832
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: And so we be in the car. We get back

833
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: and said, man, why you can't beat him? Like I said, Man,

834
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I just can't beat him. And

835
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: then like two years later he became Kobe like I

836
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: see you, you know, like no, I see you. Why

837
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 2: I could never beat him, you know, like people don't

838
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: get the chance to see Like I mean, Kobe had

839
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: to man handle like the balls, string all that and

840
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: one stuff he had all that right, never lost a handle,

841
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: like we talked about guys like skill wise, he was

842
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: one of the baddest guys like ever, and so somebody

843
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: had to clean up. I want to clean up today.

844
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: And I talked to John Sally already. So he told

845
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: a story on the podcast about Kobe's on the on

846
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: the plane like he was bobbing his head like he

847
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: was listening to music. And so we was at the

848
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: card table playing cards and John s Ide said, you're

849
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 2: not listening to music, are you. He's like, you listen

850
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: to everything everybody's saying. He was like, yeah, I'm listening

851
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: to everybody. He's like, why are you doing that? And

852
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: he was like to see if somebody talking about said

853
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: nobody talking about so I just want to make sure

854
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: I know what's going on or whatever. But John Side

855
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: told the story that that I was talking about cold,

856
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, cobD my I wouldn't. He said, no, I

857
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: didn't say that it got cut and the snip how

858
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: they said, no, you got to clean that up because

859
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: that's my guy, and I would never talk about coke,

860
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: you know. So he said he got a podcast with

861
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: the same people two weeks from now, he's going to

862
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: clean it up because that's not the way it happened.

863
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: But go ahead, I'm sorry you did you know? Because

864
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: sometimes people are like, man, did you know he would

865
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: be that.

866
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: From working out with him, because, like you said, you

867
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: work it out behind the scenes, and because I mean,

868
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: everybody remember I remember seventeen year old and Dale has

869
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: getting an opportunity of Utah and the airball in the

870
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: last shot. That's what people like with that. I'm like,

871
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: everybody keep saying he gonna be good, he gonna be good.

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: I like with damn, but I did factor that. I

873
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: was like, dude, supposed to be all senior in high school.

874
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Really though he ain't supposed to.

875
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: Be in the NBA. You could tell that he would

876
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: go be that, he'd gonna be cold, be yeah, but

877
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: not the factor in the airballs to factor in, he

878
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: took those shots. The mentality, you know what I'm saying,

879
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: The mentality to take those shots. Yes, you know what

880
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of times people shot wait for

881
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: they don't want it. Yeah, they don't want it, you know,

882
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: And I've seen that. And so at seventeen, eighteen years old,

883
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: he had the mentality to take those shots and shoot

884
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: the airballs. Like the thing about Kobe, which is different.

885
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: You know is I've never heard him talk about money,

886
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: like how much money he made or how much money.

887
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: It was always about he wanted to be the greatest,

888
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: like I want to be the best. And to see

889
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: the work he put in every single day, you can

890
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: tell that's what he wanted to do. And just from

891
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: like being there at five o'clock in the morning, being

892
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: the first guy there working on his body. What seventeen

893
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: seventeen year old guy, you know, is working on their body,

894
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, getting this, you know, the soft tissue stuff,

895
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: eating right, but you're way beyond the Yeah, like nobody's

896
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: doing that, you know. And so to see all the

897
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: stuff that he did at that age, it was just phenomenally.

898
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: He knew he was gonna be I knew he was

899
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: gonna be great, Like, had no doubts about that. Just

900
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: the work he put in and how hard he worked.

901
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: It was just it was it was gonna happen.

902
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: But I think I forget the outlet they had Kobe

903
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: rank the eleventh best player in the history of the game.

904
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: You played with Kobe, you played in this league, you

905
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: coached it in this league for a number of years,

906
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: the eleventh best player.

907
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: I would never say that but it's my era. I

908
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, like back in the day, I

909
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: can't speak on how great guys was back then because

910
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: they said, like the TV outlest the games weren't on.

911
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Ye you heard about game would take the later? Yeah,

912
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: so you never saw it.

913
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: But in my era, if I had to pick and

914
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: choose and say, was he better than the guys back

915
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: in the day, oh not no question at all, Like

916
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: no question. I mean to win five championships, like I said,

917
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: to win two you know what I'm saying, without shock

918
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: we thought would never happen, and to do all the

919
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: things he did like man like no, definitely not eleven.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

921
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Speaker 1: Had Shaq and Kobe stayed together, let's just say they

922
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Speaker 1: would have had a harmonious relationship. I'm trying to think.

923
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to say because Starton and Malone wasn't on

924
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: that level. Starton was the best player, there was no

925
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: question about it, no if saying the butt. It's hard

926
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: to say Pipping and Jordan, Jordan was the best player.

927
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: There's no if saying butt. But when you got two

928
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929
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Speaker 1: they looking out of eye, I'm the best.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm the best. I'm the best in the world. Yeah,

931
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Speaker 2: the world world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Had they been able to coincide, let's just say

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Speaker 1: for another three years, how many championships do you think

934
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Speaker 1: they win?

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Speaker 1: If it has been a situation, I get that. I

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Speaker 1: think the best situation we can use in this situation

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Speaker 1: of t lou Is Cobe is a Kareem and Magic.

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Speaker 1: People don't realize this, but Magic's rookie year. Kareem was

981
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982
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Speaker 1: to progress, pat Riley said, I need.

983
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Speaker 2: More from you.

984
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: He called him Buck. That's what he called young Buck.

985
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: He says, I need I need more scoring from you.

986
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Magic asked pat Riley to his face, you run that

987
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: back cap? Did you cult that? Within Kareem, He's gonna

988
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: get that thing down of the block. He decided to

989
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: run it by him. If they could have had that

990
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: type of relationship, I don't think nobody beat them. I

991
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: think they might. They might, like like the Bulls won

992
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: three and took two years off if they had, if

993
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: they'd have had a Kareem and Magic type of relationship,

994
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody can beat.

995
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: Them, and I'm mad they didn't. I'm mad because that

996
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: was greatness, like and.

997
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: We might have never seen that again, because it's a

998
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: perfect situation, t Lou, because you got a big and

999
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: a little right. It's a it's a it's a it's

1000
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: a guard in the center, and you're you're never gonna

1001
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get somebody Kobe skill with shot dominant.

1002
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw it. I'm glad I saw it. We

1003
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: have the part of you.

1004
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: You got an opportunity to see it up close and personal.

1005
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: How dominant was on every you know, every night. Shot

1006
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: gonna give you thirty, Kobe gonna give you twenty seven.

1007
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: Kobe gonna go sco forty. Shot gonna give you thirty

1008
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: and twenty. Right to watch that every night. And because

1009
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: back then teams have about four or five big because

1010
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: two bigs he followed them out.

1011
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: That's that's easy. I mean you have barbecue chick found

1012
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: trump of the first three minutes. Starting center is out

1013
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: of the game in the first three minutes. And what

1014
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 2: they don't understand is when you go to hack a shack,

1015
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: which is cool. Now you're in a bonus with six

1016
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: minutes ago. Now Kobe goes to work. So any hand

1017
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: check and Kobe's going to the free throw line, you know,

1018
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: so like man come on, man, like it just was

1019
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just so dominant. That's why like

1020
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: when you walk into an arena or you go on

1021
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: the road, like can't nobody beat us, Like, you know,

1022
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: like we got COVID shack. No matter how things go,

1023
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: how bad I'm playing orde Fish or Rick, you know,

1024
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: on't at b Shaw. We don't got to make a shot.

1025
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: We know we got at least seventy coming from this

1026
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: two guys, and back then you was only scoring eight eighty.

1027
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: So we gotta get ten points, you know between tweet

1028
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: the two Yeah, between the other family.

1029
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like it don't matter, like they gonna get seventy,

1030
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: gotta does get ten, you know what I'm saying. So

1031
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: it didn't matter, man, And so like that's how great

1032
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: they were. But like a lot of teams have a

1033
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: one to two punch or these are the best two

1034
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 2: players in the world on the same team.

1035
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Yes, when has that ever been done? Do you think

1036
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: we'll ever see another Shock? Because people don't realize how

1037
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: Shaq was seven foot one with three twenty five Shaq

1038
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: could run Shock with agile, Shaq could beat I'm trying

1039
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: to think of somebody that that size maybe will but

1040
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Speaker 1: I didn't see will play. That's the only person I

1041
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: could think of that was that side that could get

1042
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: up and down the court. Right.

1043
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: But people don't realize how athletic Shock was. Oh man,

1044
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: he was super athletic, like you know, take off the glass,

1045
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: push it, you know, going full forward, no look passes

1046
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: and just seeing like how he moved like he was

1047
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: you know, people getting you know stuff by being the

1048
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: pick and roll like you know whatever. But like he

1049
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: was agile, like he can move, he can side to

1050
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Speaker 2: side loudly, he can up and down, he can do

1051
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: whatever you want. And to be that big and be

1052
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: that dominant like we'll never see that ever again. No,

1053
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: I mean I don't.

1054
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that, not not not a guy his

1055
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: size that can move like that. You look there, guys,

1056
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: okay Yo kich you might can make better shots, can

1057
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: you know that? And Joe ellen b But I'm talking

1058
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: about his size. He's ability. Nobody love it be that

1059
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: dominant again.

1060
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: Never.

1061
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Nope, Dude, if you were the coach, let's just say,

1062
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you, Phil Jackson, and you're the coach

1063
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: of Shocking Kobe, how do you keep them together?

1064
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: How do you make peace, whatever it takes. No, seriously,

1065
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't lose that Like that changes people's

1066
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: lives forever ever, you know, not just shocking cold but

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Speaker 2: Fields already feel, you know, but the organization, all of

1068
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Speaker 2: us role players, like you know what I say, Like

1069
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: that changed our lives forever. Like you get you keep

1070
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: those guys together, and you get a chance to win six, seven,

1071
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: eight championships like in LA, like come on, man, like no, no,

1072
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: no better thing. And so whatever I had to do,

1073
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: whatever I had to say, I was gonna do it,

1074
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: you know. And so I mean you had to, like

1075
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: it's no way you can you can lose Shack, right,

1076
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: like you know, they had to stay together. And so

1077
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: that was just very disappointing, you know, especially all the

1078
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: success that we had. It was it was disappointed to

1079
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: see that happen.

1080
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: I think the thing for me is that Shack replaying

1081
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: in his mind saying he wished he had done things different,

1082
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: because he knows. He knows he left at bare minimum,

1083
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: he left two championships with the Lakers on the court.

1084
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: He knows that, right, he knows it. I think more

1085
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: than that, yes, at minimum, And so now he sees

1086
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: all these guys winning m VP's and winning titles, and

1087
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: he's like and people start talking about, well he's he's

1088
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: up there. He's like, hold on, wait a minute, y'all,

1089
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: y'all forgot about me.

1090
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how. It's never like said, it's never

1091
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: gonna be a player like shock over again.

1092
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: No, not that size, not that athleticism, not that dominant no.

1093
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Never, And so like I said, I just said that

1094
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: that it happened, you know, the way it did, because

1095
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: they were supposed to be together for right. You know,

1096
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: in my eyes, what was.

1097
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Kobe like in practice? Because everybody say, like, look, I mean,

1098
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: lou Will tell the story that he made him take

1099
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: off his shoes because they were bull driving in the game,

1100
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: that didn't play hard. What was he like in practice?

1101
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Because we heard the last dance Jordan, you know how

1102
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: he swung on Steve Kirk that he was not afraid

1103
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: to approach guys, getting guy's face to make sure everybody

1104
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: was giving them their best effort, not in the game

1105
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: but practice.

1106
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: What was what you saw in the game. That's how

1107
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: every single day, every single day, he wanted to be

1108
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: the best player every single day in practice, in the game.

1109
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: And that's just how he competed, you know. And so

1110
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: every time we got a new player, like you know

1111
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: Glenn Rice, and Glenn Rice was a bad dude. Yeah,

1112
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, Cole wanted to play one on one to

1113
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: show him like, this is my this is my team. Heyo,

1114
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: we got j R. Roder, same thing like JR. Roder

1115
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: got there, he wanted to play in one on one,

1116
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: show him this is my team, like used to you know,

1117
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: because over there you're not here. Yeah, And so that's

1118
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: just who he was, like competed every single possession, every sprint,

1119
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: every drill, like he wanted to be the best. And

1120
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: that's no bullshit, Like it's every single day. He was

1121
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: the same person what you see in the game. You

1122
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: saw him practice every single day.

1123
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: You end up leaving and you go to Washing, you

1124
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: end up at Washington with forty year old Jordan. Obviously

1125
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: he's not the same. He's not the first three peat,

1126
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: he's not the end three peat. He's taken time off

1127
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: and he comes back. But could you see why he

1128
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: was Michael Jordan.

1129
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. I mean you see he got his

1130
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: forty forty years old and every he averaged twenty one

1131
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: points a game on one leg. See, people don't take

1132
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: to take into consideration like he played on one leg,

1133
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: one knee, you know for two years. Wow, and he

1134
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: averaged twenty points a game, you know. And so I

1135
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: could just see just coming in to the gym like Kobe,

1136
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: like I said, was a super worker. And you see

1137
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: a guy like Jordan, you know, you come to practice,

1138
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, two hours early, think you coming in about

1139
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: to work out. Jordan's already done, laughed up, done, lifted

1140
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: sweat on the court, did all his footwork stuff, all

1141
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 2: this basketball stuff. You're like, damn, Like I came two hours. Really,

1142
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: he's already done at forty So what was he like

1143
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: at twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, you know? And

1144
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: so you knew that's why he was who he was.

1145
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: And so when I first walked in, I was in awe,

1146
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Like to be able to play with somebody you looked

1147
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: up to and idolize your whole life and to be you.

1148
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: Know, don't even see real does no see? People think

1149
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm live when I say that. The first I saw it,

1150
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: he like he levitating and I'm looking at this man.

1151
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: He probably think I'm he like man Turley sharp, little

1152
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: brother look crazy because I'm look, I'm look, I'm looking

1153
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: at him like he not because he's not real.

1154
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: He not real. And when people see him, like you know,

1155
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: he never had a lot of security, no, like, but

1156
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: when people see him, they stop like cause they're like

1157
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: in all like, oh that's my and before you can

1158
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: really say something, he's already gone. Like it wasn't a

1159
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: lot of crowd control, like because like you see him

1160
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: and you just freeze, like all the other celebrities stars,

1161
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: and like people gonna run to him and go crazy, right,

1162
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: nobody ever really ran to Jordan because you can't believe it.

1163
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: He can't believe it.

1164
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: Like it's just like he's walking like you tap somebody,

1165
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: you look, you froze, and you look up he's gone,

1166
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like that's how it was.

1167
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: It never was like a oh and they rush and

1168
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: go crazy because you just couldn't believe it.

1169
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1170
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: And that's just And he played at forty He played

1171
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: All Lady Too eighty two games second year. Yeah, it

1172
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: seemed to me back then. I mean he came in

1173
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the ARA, well it was important to play eighty two.

1174
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: Gadget honor.

1175
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's important. Now, No, it's not that important.

1176
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: It's a badget honor, especially back then. But if you

1177
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: look at a lot of the medical the science, it

1178
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: makes sense.

1179
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1180
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: It's like to play eighty two games. We'll see, back

1181
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: then we played eighty two games and then you had

1182
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: a two hour prite the next day.

1183
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1184
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Now, guys play and a lot of guys they.

1185
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Were taking commercial flights before this thing got hot tank

1186
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: and they took charter.

1187
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: This guy was flying commercial. Yeah, going to the airport, Yeah,

1188
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: getting in lave with it. Yeah, sleeping in the airport

1189
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: even at six o'clock in the morning to catch fights

1190
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: and go to another city. So it was a badge

1191
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: of honor to play eighty two games back then. Like

1192
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: that's what you wanted to do, right, you know. And

1193
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: so but with the medical and the science how it

1194
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: is today, Like it makes sense my loves can't walk

1195
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: now because you know, like how hard we went, all

1196
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: the practices, all the games. So it is a little

1197
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: science to it. But like back then, you wanted to

1198
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: play every game. That was just that was your mindset.

1199
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people say in today's game

1200
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: and the game, the way it is being played and

1201
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: the way it's being officiated today, Jordan, that is apix.

1202
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: How many points were the average today? Yeah?

1203
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: Man, forty five? You bull? What you mean you can't

1204
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: touch nobody. It's a foul. I mean, you got the

1205
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: best player in the world. But you know what I'm saying,

1206
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: you got the best player in the world.

1207
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: Forty five?

1208
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: Would he averaged thirty.

1209
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: Six one year? Yeah, thirty seven? Thirty seven?

1210
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, add eight to that every time you

1211
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: get touches two free throws, right, you know. So I

1212
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: mean like zoo stuff could be a difference in you know,

1213
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: like back in the legal defense. But yeah, I mean

1214
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: I don't see, like it wouldn't be a year. He

1215
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't average forty five. Wow, you couldn't touch nobody. I mean,

1216
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean you can't touch nobody else. Like the physicality

1217
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: is you know pretty much gone. Yeah, anything you go

1218
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: into the free throw line. And just how smart he was,

1219
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: you know, especially nows like take advantage of these guys,

1220
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, just as far as just I.

1221
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: Q A low. What's what's some of the best advice

1222
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: Jordan gave you?

1223
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: So when I when I first came to Washington.

1224
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: You know.

1225
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: So I was in the triangle for you know, two

1226
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: years on the field. So I came to Washington. I

1227
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: was like, man, I guess I got turned loose. Now

1228
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: I can just play my game. And you know, so

1229
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: when I got there, like I was just playing with pace,

1230
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: pushing it, you know, just not understanding really how to

1231
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: play the game, but just playing the game that makes sense.

1232
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: And so he just taught me, like you know, different reads,

1233
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: how to run the pick and roll for guys playing

1234
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: you like this, you know, do this, it should be

1235
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 2: your counter. And he gave me a lot of confidence.

1236
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, I think I'm shooting the basketball because you

1237
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: know I could shoot, but you know when he kick

1238
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: it out to you, like Jordan passed you the boy

1239
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: like like you know what I'm saying, right, man, I

1240
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: don't know if you missed five in a row. If

1241
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: you open, you got to shoot it. And gave me

1242
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: that confidence, which the second year when I was there,

1243
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: I was like second in league in three point shooting.

1244
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: It all came from that first year, and I don't

1245
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: think I had the confidence that I needed, Like I said,

1246
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: to play with Jordan, and he gave me that confidence.

1247
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: So going to that second year. I was like, man,

1248
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: I was pissed off because I didn't play the way

1249
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to play. I thought I was gonna be

1250
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: the starter. Chris Whitney came in and did a hell

1251
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: of a job. He was a starter. He played well,

1252
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: and then Larry Hughes came in, and then I think

1253
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: that second year I came in with a chip on

1254
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: my shoulder when we got the training camp, like I'm

1255
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: coming in to be the starter, and that happened for me.

1256
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: But it all came from that first year. Jordan give

1257
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: me confidence to be the player I wanted to be.

1258
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: Was he hard on players?

1259
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: Yes? Too hard? No, I mean, if you do your job,

1260
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: you ain't got to.

1261
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: Be hard on me.

1262
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: Just do your job. Yeah, So like, if you come

1263
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: in every day and do your job, I can't be

1264
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: hard on you, you know. But if you slacking, if

1265
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: you bullshitn't But yeah, he wasn't taking that. He wasn't

1266
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: gonna tolerate that, you know.

1267
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: So so he was almost like he was a player coach.

1268
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the floor, like if you slacking, you're not

1269
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: doing what you're supposed to do, He's gonna call you out.

1270
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna challenge you. You know, if you can't handle

1271
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: the challenge, then you just can't.

1272
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: Play because a lot. Look, he took a seventeen year

1273
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: old kid from Glenn Academy in Kwame Brown, and Kwame

1274
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: is a six eleven he was, you know, and everybody said,

1275
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: well you took this guy. But I mean by most

1276
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: draft boards, Kwaime was the best player coming out that year,

1277
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: a phenal. Yes, Kwame was six eleven. Could run up

1278
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: and down the court.

1279
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean he he had it all first step, can drive,

1280
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: can pass, you know, like said, running the floor. He's

1281
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: an athletic, can do everything, you know, can do everything.

1282
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: But you know, when you put a young kid in

1283
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: that situation, I was older. I was four or five

1284
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: years old than Kwame, Right, you put me in that situation,

1285
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 2: I was already scared to play with Michael Jordan.

1286
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: Yah.

1287
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 2: So yes, if you put a seventeen eighteen year old

1288
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: kid with Michael Jordan and then you're number one pick

1289
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: for the expect through the roof. Yeah, And so that's hard.

1290
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: That's hard for anybody. I've seen guys that are you know,

1291
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: great players and guys that you.

1292
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: Know, tenet all stars in all the NBA play with Lebron,

1293
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, get to Cleveland, couldn't make a shot, you

1294
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like scared of death.

1295
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: So you can imagine like an eighteen year old Kwame

1296
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: like and Kwame was talented, he was skilled, and he

1297
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: had great year he played what twelve years thirteen years? Yes,

1298
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: and he was and he was a really good player,

1299
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: you know, and so people look at you know, what

1300
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 2: he should have done from the expectations of being number

1301
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: one pick playing with Jordan. But Jordan put a.

1302
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: Lot of you know, a lot of if he had

1303
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: let's just say for the sake of argument, he's still

1304
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: the number one pick and he goes somewhere else.

1305
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: Does does his career turn out different?

1306
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: You think?

1307
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so, you know, because now

1308
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: he's being featured the mistakes he's made, the mistakes he

1309
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: made are not being magnified. Now you know, you're not

1310
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: on TV because Jordan is there, right, so you're probably

1311
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: going to a worse team. You know, Jordan when he

1312
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: came to Wizard, we was bad, but we had a TV.

1313
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: Time, right, you know, he still had Jordan. And then

1314
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: with Jordan, there's expectation.

1315
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: Exactly and so if he went to another team, you know,

1316
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: he'd have been you know, it had been a lot different.

1317
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 2: You know, he would have been to make those mistakes

1318
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: as an eighteen year old kid, and he'd been to

1319
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: grow and learn, you know, instead of.

1320
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: At his pause. Everything When you play with a historically

1321
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: transcending great player, everything gets sped up. Ain't no learning none,

1322
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: you got Hey, I had never driven him before drive.

1323
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's how it was, you know.

1324
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: And so because mkwame he was man, that was the

1325
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: right pick. He was bad. He was a bad dude.

1326
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: Also on that team was Charles Oakley. Now, now he's

1327
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: a Oak is no nonsense. He ain't gonna take no masks.

1328
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: Run do what you're supposed to do. He old school.

1329
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: What was the life player with Oak? I loved it, Yeah,

1330
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: I loved it. First of all, I walked around thought

1331
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: our security everything, so I wasn't really tripping off, you know,

1332
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: really tripping off nothing. But well, Oak was really good

1333
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: at He was a chef. Yeah, and so we would

1334
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: go to you.

1335
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would cook for us like two times a week.

1336
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: He's man, throw down like the best of them. But

1337
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: you know, Oak taught me a lot too, Like I said,

1338
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: just you know, being on time, being a pro, putting

1339
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: in the work, how he saw the game, because he

1340
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: could really pass like you know, just seeing the game

1341
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: different reads, you know, And so he really was a mentor.

1342
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: Like I said to Kawalm, me and our younger guys

1343
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: can get a young team. Yeah, Heidie White, Eton Thomas,

1344
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: like those bigs like Brendan Haywood, like those guys looked

1345
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: up to, OK, can he really show them a lot

1346
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: as well? And just you know, bringing that professionalism as

1347
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: being a you know, older vet. He was really good

1348
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: for us.

1349
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: NBC got the NBA pack, got a part of the

1350
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: NBA package back. One of their contributors analysts is gonna

1351
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: be Michael Jordan. What type of analysts? I can just

1352
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: imagine the first time he criticized somebody, they are I

1353
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: wonder if they go to say, he don't know what

1354
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 1: he's talking about?

1355
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: What did he anybody say that? Everybody else, Well, he

1356
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: wasn't that good. He wasn't that good.

1357
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: So I wonder if Jordan ever says he didn't play well,

1358
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: if somebody didn't play well, what will that guy say.

1359
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: I think they'll take it, but I don't think it's

1360
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: more so to be critical or critique. I think it's

1361
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: more so to be around the game. Like we need him,

1362
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: like we miss him, you know. And so you know,

1363
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: we bought the team. You know, you go play there

1364
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: once a year or twice. You see him sometimes. But

1365
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: like I think we need him around the game, you know.

1366
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: And so for our younger guys to be able to

1367
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: see him and see who he is and you know

1368
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: what he's done for this league and you know, be

1369
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: around the greatest.

1370
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: Like how they pull that off, NBC. I'm trying to

1371
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: figure out how they pull that off. Because he's a

1372
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: guy like you know, he likes to be He's ultra competitive.

1373
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: He got a fishing team, he used to have a

1374
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: motorcycle team. He has a NASCAR team. So he likes

1375
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: to compete. But he likes to compete, compete, compete like him.

1376
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: He liked to be on the boat fishing. He liked

1377
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: to be around the cards. He like, oh yeah, playing cards.

1378
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know you've got them cards stores,

1379
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: because he was a card Bay was Gus. That's that's

1380
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: that's the k My goodness. He loved he loves being competitive.

1381
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm just anxious to hear, to see how he how

1382
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: he sees the game and what he's gonna say about

1383
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: the game. Does he like the way the game is

1384
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: being played? Does he like all these three point shots?

1385
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Does he like all these guys? I mean there are

1386
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: some guys ain't got no business taking a three point shot,

1387
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: but the analytics say they need to get up thirty,

1388
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: that this team needs to get up thirty a games

1389
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: so anybody can shoot them. I'm just anxius to hear

1390
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: what he has to say about that loop.

1391
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that would be interesting, you know,

1392
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: but I think to me, I think it's gonna be

1393
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: more there to help. I think, you know, help the

1394
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: young guys, help the game grow. You know, he wasn't

1395
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: a big three point shooter, so no, I think it

1396
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 2: said the mid range game is a loss.

1397
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: It is.

1398
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: And if teams are gonna play in deep drops and

1399
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: that you come up and take that shot, then why

1400
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: would you master that shot? Why would you master the

1401
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: shot the teams are giving up? And if you see

1402
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: all the game winners or all the clutch shots are

1403
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: big shots in NBA history throughout the playoffs, they're all

1404
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: mid range, like they're never like you know twenty you know,

1405
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: thirty foot through like Steph can make some media, but

1406
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: other than that, it's always a mid range shot that

1407
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: wins that game, you know, And so why not master

1408
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: and be great at something that teams are giving up,

1409
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: you know? So I think he'll be just be here

1410
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: this to help and enhance the game, like I said,

1411
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: as best he can.

1412
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: You played with t Mac at two stuff. He was

1413
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: at t MAC in Orlando and Houston, right, Yeah, So

1414
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: there's been a lot being said, and I think T

1415
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: Max said at first that had he been on that

1416
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Lakers team, that he believed they'd have won as many

1417
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: championships as shocking Kobe Shaq co signed what he said,

1418
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of people like, come on, bro, everybody

1419
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: just got a revision his history now. And not to

1420
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: say t Mac wasn't a good but do you believe

1421
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: they would have won as many championships? I hate when

1422
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: people do this team, Yeah, a great player, Well, if

1423
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: you put him on that team, they it doesn't necessarily

1424
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: mean it's true.

1425
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't work like like that. I think he define

1426
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: it would have won, Like I don't know what to

1427
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: what degree, right T Mac was he had no he

1428
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: had no weaknesses. Defensively, he can guard one, two, three, four.

1429
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: He's six'. Nine, offensively run pick and, roll make the right,

1430
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: pass make the right, play post, up either show a

1431
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: turn around jump, shot mid range pull, ups can finish

1432
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: athletic and LIKE i, SAY i think with, coaching AND

1433
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: i think being in the, triangle LIKE i, said which

1434
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: field are you the, Flourish like he would definitely would have.

1435
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: Flurished and then you Got, shack who the best player

1436
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: in the, world you, Know but LIKE i don't know

1437
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: if like it's just hard to. Compare but like What

1438
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 2: cole brought every single, day the mentality he had every single,

1439
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: Day like you got to bring that and you had

1440
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: to have that and bring it To shock every. Day,

1441
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: NO i don't know T ma could have done, that, Right, like,

1442
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: yeah So cole Pushed shack every, day you, Know so

1443
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: like you, know If Team mac could have could he

1444
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: have done? THAT i, MEAN i don't know. That as

1445
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: far as talent, WISE i, mean he, was LIKE i,

1446
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: said one of the most talented guys we've seen in this,

1447
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: game you, know SO i think he would definitely would have.

1448
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: Won but it's not the talent and the court. Stuff

1449
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: it's the challenging shock every, day called And shock out

1450
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: when he's you, know when he's not doing we supposed to.

1451
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: Do When shaq calls you, out can you handle? It

1452
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 2: all that stuff plays, apart you, know and then Having

1453
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: Phil jackson as. Well SO i think, it you, know

1454
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: LIKE i, said it could have.

1455
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: Happened you, know for, SURE i Think phil Look, phil

1456
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 1: not to Say phil, doesn't, no BUT i Think phil

1457
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: does a great job of managing. Egos, YES i think

1458
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: that's HIS i think that's his greatest thing is that

1459
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: when you Got jordan's BUT i don't Think jordan had a.

1460
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: Ride But jordan didn't have an equal In, chicago so

1461
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: it was. EASY i, Mean pippin might say THAT i

1462
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: was just as good As, JORDAN i could have been

1463
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: this and that that's fine to say. Now But kobe

1464
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: really felt that he was On shack's. Level shaq really

1465
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: felt that he was That. Kobe so you got these

1466
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: two horses like, that And phil had to somehow juggle that.

1467
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: Team to tell you how he did, It day, one

1468
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: he came in and he went At cob And shaq

1469
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: about everything they had to do to be better for

1470
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: this team to, win and he coached them, harder and

1471
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: he coached us like we never really like.

1472
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: We had film.

1473
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: Sessions it was On cob And. Shaq it wasn't Never Rick,

1474
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: fox it was Never, harper it was Never Horse, Grant,

1475
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: no it. Wasn't it was Always cob And. Shack what

1476
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: y'all need to, do what you need to, do what

1477
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: you didn't, do how you didn't do. It and so

1478
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: he was hard on those guys that first, year like

1479
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 2: every single, day like Own kobe And, Shaq Own kobe And.

1480
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Shaq and so if you get your first if you

1481
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: get your top two players and your best players to buy, in,

1482
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: yes what are we gonna? Do R you ain't got no.

1483
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Choice and that's how he did, it and that's how he,

1484
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: led and and so it just made it. Easy like

1485
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: do you fishing those? Guys they ain't worry about. Nothing

1486
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: it Was cob And. Shack it's funny that you say,

1487
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: that BECAUSE i want to.

1488
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: TRANSITION i want to ask you how because in, football

1489
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: coach a yelling scream at the best, player say that's some,

1490
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: horse you know, what pull. Jive but it seems like in, basketball,

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01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: man y'all be tiptoward around the. Superstar y'all will be,

1492
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: said like in, football but you, Said phil Challenge kobe Challenge.

1493
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: Shack how delicate of aligne must you walk when you're

1494
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: dealing with that level of.

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01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: Player back, then you don't have to worry about as.

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: Much but then that Was Phil, jackson so he comes

1497
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: in with instant. Credibility you, know you got won six.

1498
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: Championships we just got swept in the first round By

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: utah the year, before, like so we had no choice

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: but to, listen you. Know but nowadays it's a fine

1501
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: line because back then the coach had all the, power you,

1502
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: know and so you couldn't go to, COACH i want him,

1503
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: FIRE i want him. Mind they wasn't doing, that you

1504
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: know What i'm. Saying like back, then the coach had

1505
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: all the, power and so now it's. Changed so if

1506
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: the star player don't like what the coach is saying

1507
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: and you get on the bad side with a star,

1508
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: player can get you out of, there you. Know so

1509
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: that's why it's a fine, line because the coach doesn't

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: have the same authority that they had back in those.

1511
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: Days and so now you gotta walk the fine line

1512
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: because you know you could do, it you know you

1513
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: could do, it but and take the chance to take the.

1514
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: Risk BUT i, right take the risks then rather you,

1515
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: know have a guy walk all over. Me all, right

1516
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: just take that. Chance you, know it is what it, is.

1517
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: BRO i, mean youre gonna le him get away With

1518
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: they get away with a. Time but like some stuff

1519
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: you just can't, let, right you just can't let because

1520
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: because the thing is you lose the locker.

1521
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: Room there you. Go and that's WHAT i tell people

1522
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: all the. TIME i, say they see, IT i, say

1523
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: and then they go, like, well if he doing, it

1524
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: even though they're not the caliber of player that said player,

1525
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: is if you let him skate too, much then all

1526
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,479
Speaker 1: of a, sudden they're gonna start coming, late they're gonna

1527
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: start missing, this they're gonna start doing certain. Things and

1528
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: then after a.

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01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: While, yeah BUT i mean it's like any, Company like

1530
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: if you're bringing me in fifty million dollars a year

1531
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: And i'm bringing in fifty, thousand you're gonna get away

1532
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: with more THAN i. SEE i, mean you should, like

1533
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: don't don't worry about don't keep us production in. Tolerance,

1534
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: yeah don't keep a score calling on what everybody else is.

1535
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: Doing you just handle your own, business, Right so in

1536
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: any sport or any, Business like the top dollars don't

1537
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: get away with. More but, like if it's something that's

1538
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: destroying the team or mess up the, team then you

1539
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: gotta address. Thisss but you can't like come late every.

1540
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: Day you can't like that's just disrespect, everybody you know.

1541
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: With The, Rockets fibbodou was on that was on that

1542
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: staffs assistant. Coaches, yeah, yeah he got let go by The.

1543
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: Knicks and me from the outside looking at, It i'd

1544
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: like to hear what you THINK i thought that once

1545
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: they beat the selfish BECAUSE i don't think anybody thought

1546
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: The knicks was going to go to THE Nba finals.

1547
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: Exactly but when they beat The, celtics now the expectations

1548
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: go way to, hear, right and then you lose To, indiana,

1549
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: right and then he gets. Fired is that how you see?

1550
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: It how do you see?

1551
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: It should it have been? Fired?

1552
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah hell.

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01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: NO i mean it's the first time you've been to

1554
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: the conference finals in twenty five. Years, wow twenty five. Years,

1555
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: yes and so the city was on, fire, yes the

1556
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: fans were on. Fire the players did a hell of

1557
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: a job And tims did a hell of a. Job,

1558
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: yeah and so to take a team the first they

1559
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: being in twenty five years and then get fired like

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01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: it just it just don't make, sense, right you.

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01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: Know and so.

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: For, me LIKE i, SAID i Thought tiams did a great.

1563
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: Job but you never know the inside of you, know

1564
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: what's going on with the. Organization BUT i mean everywhere

1565
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: he's being he wins, Everywhere, Chicago, Minnesota, knicks every team

1566
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: he's been on has gotten, better you. Know and so

1567
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: to do THAT i thought it WAS i MEAN i

1568
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: thought it was.

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: Crazy, yes because they expectations, now because when you beat the,

1570
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: self get the.

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01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: Expectations.

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: Now what expected the? CHAMPIONSHIP i don't. THINK i don't

1573
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: think when they went Into, okay the playoffs, starting you

1574
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: see THE, CD i don't think anybody thought The knicks

1575
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: was gonna be in The Eastern Conference. Final you see the.

1576
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: Matchup they not Beating, boston, Right so if they lose To,

1577
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: boston he keeps his, JOB i believe, so, RIGHT i believe.

1578
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: So but because they Beat, boston and so they Beat,

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: boston The cleveland's out of the, Way, well we School

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: sally and Then indiana get you and they, said, no we.

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01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: Can't But indiana was playing great. Ball now that a

1582
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: great team And rick Carl out did to hell a. Job,

1583
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: yes and who knows what happens in game seven If

1584
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: tyreez don't get, hurt, Right, so like you know WHAT i.

1585
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: Mean so Everybody indiana, beat you want to fire that?

1586
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Coach like it don't make? Sense you, KNOW i, AGREE i,

1587
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: Agree AND i was surprised that. Happened, Yeah AND i,

1588
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: think LIKE i, Said tims did a did a extraordinary

1589
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: job and then to get that team. There but like

1590
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: now when you come in looking at, It, okay we

1591
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: go to the conference, finals and now what's the next

1592
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: coach supposed to? Do Like Mike, brown who's a hell

1593
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: of a. Coach so now if you don't make these conference, finals,

1594
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: yeah you, know it's like it just. Tough it's kind

1595
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 2: of the SITUATION i was put in In. Cleveland, yes

1596
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: like we made the, finals you know with Coach, Black

1597
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: and now you bring me a minyway through the season

1598
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: and we don't make the finals and go to game.

1599
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: Six And i'm gonna fail.

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01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: You you, know it's a tough spot to be.

1601
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 3: In.

1602
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: It you, know it's just it's.

1603
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: Crazy but the knock is always on TIBs is that

1604
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: he grinds his. Players he got them playing forty plus

1605
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: minutes in the regular, season and when you play that many,

1606
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: minutes at some point in, time you grind them. DOWN i,

1607
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: Mean i'm looking At Michael bridges playing forty five. Minutes

1608
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: i'm looking at brunts and playing forty three. Minutes i'm

1609
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: looking at og playing all those. Minutes and then.

1610
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: Whatever it takes not in the regular, season listen to

1611
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to. Win you gotta get. There it's,

1612
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: like you know What i'm, Saying, LIKE i mean what you?

1613
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: WANT i, mean you don't want guys to, practice, right

1614
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: and now you don't want guys to play like they

1615
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: don't even get games, Off but you don't want to

1616
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: play minutes, Either LIKE i, MEAN i, MEAN i don't,

1617
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't what's a?

1618
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: Practice so give me a. Practice, okay when you got

1619
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: to the, league your practice compared to what the practice

1620
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: that you.

1621
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: Run, now, okay so when we had WHEN i first

1622
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: got to the, league you play a, Game, yeah the

1623
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: next day you got an hour and a half two

1624
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: hour practice taped your live, contact body on body getting

1625
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: better every single. Day now, PRACTICE i mean game practice

1626
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: the next day is gonna be a. Walkthrough you ain't

1627
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: gonna have no. Contact guys are not gonna go full.

1628
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: Speed you probably got thirty, four thirty to forty minutes

1629
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: because oh we just had a game last. Night what's?

1630
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 3: That what does that?

1631
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah so they are no, Practicing So I'M i,

1632
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: mean it's just a it's a big. Difference it's a huge,

1633
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: difference you.

1634
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: Know but but the thing, is we think about the

1635
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: T lou the way you guys did it and you

1636
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: played in the mini games you played and the way you.

1637
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: Practiced you guys had less injuries back then than you do.

1638
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: Now you have to train your. BODY i think you

1639
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: had to train your body for. That but the thing,

1640
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: now now the guys my, age we can't. WALK i

1641
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: mean we're paying for it, now you, know in our older. Age,

1642
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah but back, then LIKE i think you got to

1643
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: train your, body like you, said to get to take

1644
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: and if you go into the, finals like extra two

1645
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: months of the, season like you got to train your.

1646
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: Body AND i think it's no better way than playing,

1647
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 2: games playing minutes and getting in game, shape you, know

1648
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: like and WHEN i was coming, up guys wanted to

1649
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: play more, minutes like you always cried about playing more.

1650
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: Minutes you, know so now guys are crying by. Playing you,

1651
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: know SO i missed a fine. Line you can't run

1652
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: guys into the. Ground but if you're not practicing and

1653
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: all we got to get and gets games from, You

1654
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: like we need forty five a, Night we need forty.

1655
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: Five to, night like you know What i'm. Saying we

1656
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: need whatever it takes to, win. Right you, Know, dirk you,

1657
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: play you played with. Dirt what Was dirk like.

1658
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: A quiet, assassin a quiet. Leader he did a great

1659
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: job of just you, know giving everybody confidence and bringing everybody.

1660
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: Along he was happy for other guys', success you, know

1661
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: Like Jason terry and you know when guys played like

1662
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 2: he was happy for. That like he wasn't a guy

1663
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 2: that demanded the, ball, like, man get me the, BALL

1664
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: i gotta have, shots none of. That and you look

1665
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: up and, like, damn he's six or seventh all time

1666
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: and scoring IN nba, History LIKE i would have never thought,

1667
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: that you, know since coming out to drive, together right

1668
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: and then having a chance to play those two and

1669
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: a half months With, dirk like just like all great,

1670
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: players worker first one in the, gym last one to,

1671
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: leave working on his, body working on his game and

1672
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 2: what he's able to. Do man, LIKE i would never

1673
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: saw that, coming really, no, NEVER i would never saw that.

1674
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: Coming but then having a chance to play with him

1675
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: and just seeing how he worked and the work he

1676
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: put in like he, WAS i, mean an ultra talent

1677
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: then stepped back, unstoppable comparable To kareem's.

1678
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: Hup, yes, yes and now you see how many guys

1679
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: you see the shoot that would lay you can't stop.

1680
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: It when you could make a case that the most

1681
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: most impressive championship ever one Is. Dirks you look at

1682
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: who he. Beat they Swept kobe and they had just

1683
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: come off back to. Back they went through they went

1684
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: through a young thunder team and then what they did

1685
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: to The big three heat with that's did.

1686
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 2: Sitting back you're watching, that did you think That dallas

1687
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: could BEAT i didn't think they had a. CHANCE i

1688
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: didn't think they had a. Chance but LIKE i, said

1689
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: that zone that they had was you, know it was

1690
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: really hard to figure. Out defensive they were really, good

1691
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: and then just they all. Clicked they all click in

1692
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: the way they. Played the style they played was Like Jason,

1693
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: terry you know what he, Did dirk And jay. Kidds you,

1694
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: KNOW i Think Sean, marion, Right Sean. Mary you, know

1695
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: so the rolls those guys, played and you, know they

1696
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 2: bought into their. Roles they were starring their. Roles like

1697
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: they just had a complete team that knew how to

1698
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 2: remind me a lot Of.

1699
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: Detroit pittonsh.

1700
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: Same same, thing you, know except they didn't have a

1701
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 2: star Like. Dirk but like they all just fit. Together

1702
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: they all play their role and they had really good.

1703
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: Pieces you were on that The Old nine, team The magic,

1704
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: team you, guys did you did you talk To kobe

1705
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: before after the.

1706
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: After The, YEAH i talked to. HIM i talked to,

1707
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: him and you know we're talking stuff back and forth

1708
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: like all the. Time like he just you, know he's a, competitor,

1709
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: yeah you, know always talking. Ship but he was he

1710
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: was locked, in you, know he was locked. In he

1711
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: really wanted that one, back you, know he really wanted

1712
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: that one.

1713
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: Back and that was the one that was, yeah well

1714
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: that was the one that was gonna time With.

1715
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: Shaq yeah, yeah and he wanted that one bad and

1716
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 2: you could just see when he got that. One, man

1717
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 2: he was he was a different, person you. Know and

1718
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: but That orlando, team.

1719
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: You had The white high was on that. Team, yeah

1720
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: how good talk talk to us about the, white BECAUSE

1721
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: i think the white gets fairly, uncriticized gets unfairly criticized

1722
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: because what he laughed and he. Joking everybody doesn't have

1723
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: to have a scowl on their face to get the job.

1724
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: Done there's many a myriad of ways to do a

1725
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: lot of different, things but end up at the end

1726
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: of the day getting the job.

1727
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 2: Done. YEAH i, mean people want to criticize for, anything you,

1728
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: know SO i wouldn't even you, know look and read

1729
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: into any of. That but he was, dominant like he was.

1730
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 2: Dominant and you know WHAT i give The white credit

1731
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: for is you know Stan Van, gundy he was a.

1732
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 2: Coach you, know he did a hell of a. Job

1733
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: and you Remember Jamie nelson who went. Down he went

1734
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: down and he still Was All star of the. Year

1735
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: But jamier was playing out of this world and he went.

1736
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: Down so they brought me over there halfway through the.

1737
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: Season BUT i was. Done that was my last. Year

1738
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 2: and then rayphel Austin in who had a hell of

1739
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: a year and really saved say they. Season But dwight's,

1740
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: dominance like on the defensive, end like it was like no,

1741
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: Other Like i've never seen a guy to be at

1742
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: an impact and dominate the game, defensively you, know Like

1743
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: dwight was able to do, rebounding shot, blocking pick and roll.

1744
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: Defense and then When stan did to take a lot

1745
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: of pressure, off and which was smart is he didn't

1746
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 2: Feature dwight in the, post like coming down just throwing

1747
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: the post and putting that pressure on the. Score that,

1748
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: way it was more out of pick and. Rolls he's,

1749
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: rolling throw it, Back Rashard lewis down to cut deep

1750
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: seals finished or pick and Roll turkulu, lobs and so

1751
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: he was able to finish and get dunks and you

1752
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: know seal like it wasn't he'd had to use. SKILL

1753
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: i thought it was very smart for a young, Player

1754
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: like if that Was kwame coming, In we're not gonna

1755
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: throw you the ball on the. Post we're gonna you,

1756
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: know feature you this kind of, way and he had

1757
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: time to. Grow it would have helped him out a.

1758
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: Lot and that's What stan. Did and LIKE i, Said dwight,

1759
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: really you, know bought into that ball into being defensive

1760
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: player of The, year bought into you, KNOW i, said,

1761
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: rolling selling, lobs duck, ins running the floor and like

1762
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: to take that team to the. Finals LIKE i, said

1763
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 2: Stan Van gundy LIKE i, said he did a hell

1764
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: of a. Job and But, dwight LIKE i, said what

1765
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: he's he able to do defensively and dominated game. Defensively it,

1766
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: was it. Was it was great to.

1767
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: See do you Believe Dwight howe should have been a

1768
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: top seventy five? Player?

1769
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: Yes out of? Two, yeah.

1770
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: They did him, wrong, Man, Yeah, no he should have.

1771
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: Been he should have been your coaching crew The. Celtics

1772
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: you GOT, Kg, Paul, Piers Ray, Allen.

1773
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 1: RONDO i mean you look at that, squad how because

1774
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: now this is really your first for ray into like

1775
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: being With i'm talking about, great great, PLAYERS, Kg Paul,

1776
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: Piars Ray, allen all of those guys Are hall of.

1777
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: FAMER i believe Eventually rondo probably was going to get

1778
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: into The hall Of. Fame, lou how do?

1779
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: You how do?

1780
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: You because everybody, saying man lose the players. COACH a

1781
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: lot of times the guys go talk to you when

1782
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: they didn't talk to the head. Coach they could talk to.

1783
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: You they could relate even though dark played the. Game

1784
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: you played the. Game and a lot of players, SAY

1785
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: i like talking to the coach that actually plays the,

1786
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: game BECAUSE i can see he sees it through my.

1787
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: LENS i see it through his.

1788
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: Lens so how how have you been able to relate

1789
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: be so relatable to players while still holding them. ACCOUNTABLE

1790
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 1: i think a THING i learned.

1791
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 2: Learned from B, Shaw like from my rookie, YEAR i

1792
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: mean my second year in the. League he taught me

1793
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: tell the. Truth like just see him being Tell kobe

1794
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 2: And shot the truth like when they mess, up, like,

1795
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: man no it was your, Fault like don't go Blaming Devin,

1796
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: georgia like it was your. Fault And beshaw did that

1797
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 2: every single. Time And i'm like just looking at him

1798
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: And he's, like, man just got to be able to

1799
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: tell the. Truth and so you, know it took me

1800
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: a long way because when you tell the great players

1801
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: and the star, players like you, know WHEN kg come

1802
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 2: out of, game he might be, going, crack, man how

1803
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: do you foul? Him and you Know Skylla breen be, like,

1804
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: man you didn't foil. Him he Like, luda then he

1805
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: liked cuts me out or, whatever and then like you,

1806
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: know you, right give me a, Dath but like you

1807
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: just gotta tell the. Truth you know What i'm, SAYING

1808
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: i think stars and guys that you, know even you know,

1809
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: whatever like people respect the truth and they don't like

1810
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: it at that point or, not like if you real with,

1811
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: yourself you, know two days, lady come, back like you know,

1812
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: What shannon was? RIGHT i was, wrong you were, right you,

1813
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: know and they could respect. That but like you know

1814
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: What i'm lying to, You, yes you. Do like if

1815
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: you if you drop a past it was a great,

1816
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: pass you drop it AND i, said, man that's a bad,

1817
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: Pass like you don't know he threw that was? Right

1818
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: you know What i'm Saying like, that you know What i'm. Saying,

1819
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah like you know If i'm lying to like you

1820
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: respect honesty and that's and that's kind of, like you,

1821
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: know HOW i was able to deal with these guys

1822
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 2: is just telling the.

1823
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: Truth. Right so how was it going from playing With

1824
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: shack the Coaching shack the last year In?

1825
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 2: Boston it WAS i really didn't have a, responsibility you,

1826
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: know so you know who Was so we Had tims

1827
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: my first year doing the, defense Then Lawrence frank it

1828
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 2: Was Longer barn doing. Defense then MAYBE i Think Mike.

1829
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: Long SO i reallyn't had no. RESPONSE i was still

1830
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: behind the. Bench so it was just more so just you,

1831
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: know him talking stuff all the, time you. Know but

1832
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: LIKE i didn't really have a lot of. RESPONSIBILITY i

1833
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: just really dealt With Doc moore one. One then my

1834
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: project WAS i Had rondo AND i HAD. Kg you,

1835
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 2: know two of the craigiest guys on you know What i'm,

1836
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: saying BUT i mean both the fiery both of you,

1837
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: know in your, Face.

1838
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: Hey get, this get, it get it.

1839
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: Done so how do you how do you how do

1840
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: you navigate? That LIKE i, said tell the? TRUTH i

1841
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: think because me and k, ME kg And chauncey were

1842
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: all three best. Friends so me going to boss that was.

1843
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 2: Easy and so he was there before, me and so

1844
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff he was, doing like guys would

1845
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: would be, Like, okay Well kg's gonna do. This you,

1846
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: know he's gonna do. That and so WHEN i first got,

1847
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: there like they were sort of food after the, game

1848
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of like really how it opened

1849
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: up for. Me so they were sort of food after the,

1850
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: game and so they would put the food in the

1851
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: locker room and and the coaches would never. Eat so

1852
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: one Day i'm. Hungry it's hell like, no SO i

1853
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: walk in the locker room AND i started fixing me

1854
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: in a. Plate and then So Paul piers And, rondo

1855
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: oh KG t was getting food AND i was, like

1856
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: what So i'm Getting, yeah So i'm getting my food or.

1857
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: Whatever SO kg came lip with he, said, MAN T

1858
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: lou getting. Food he's, LIKE i can't do thathing about?

1859
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: That what so you know think going crazy, like oh,

1860
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: man you let. Teach so then after, that now all

1861
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: the coaches able to come in and get, second before

1862
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: the coaches couldn't eat until all the players ate. First i'm, like,

1863
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: man we've been up doing scouts and working at seven

1864
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: in the. Morning, man you, Cray i'm, Hungry like we're

1865
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 2: doing the same thing like and so like they couldn't

1866
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: touch the food until the players ate. First So i'm, like,

1867
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: man hell, no you're. Tripping so WHEN i did, that

1868
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 2: like it kind of opened up everything and guys, like oh, MAN,

1869
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 2: kJ Let tlu do whatever you want to. Do and

1870
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: so then after THAT i just had all their. Respect you, KNOW.

1871
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: Kg everybody talks ABOUT kg trash.

1872
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: Talking HE i mean you SEE i, mean you you

1873
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: know you see him on his pod now and then

1874
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: you you, know see HIM i mean you hear some

1875
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: of the clips he really talked that.

1876
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: Much, yeah he. DOES i mean it's more so to

1877
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: get itself, going like you, know he wants you to talk,

1878
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: back so he you, know so hen you know you

1879
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: ever heard like don't poke the, bed, Right like he

1880
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: tried to get hisself going by talking trash and talking

1881
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: stuff to get itself fired. Up but, yeah he, yeah

1882
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 2: he was good at. It that's that's what he wanted to.

1883
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: Do.

1884
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: Rondo can you, tell like for, ME i have former

1885
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: teammates that became that became head. Coaches when you're playing

1886
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: with a, guy can you tell he has the qualities

1887
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: the attributes to be a head.

1888
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: Coach, Yes and it's funny BECAUSE i didn't KNOW i

1889
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 2: was gonna be a head coach really WHEN i was

1890
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: playing For doc in two thousand and. Three he told,

1891
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: me when you get done, playing you can come coach with.

1892
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: Me like, yeah, RIGHT i ain't, coaching he's, Crazy LIKE

1893
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: i ain't doing, that but like when it's, over that's

1894
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 2: all we. Know like you, know, SAW i know it's,

1895
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 2: Basketball and So rondo's one of those. GUYS i, mean

1896
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: he's definitely a head, coach like just seeing Like he's

1897
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 2: probably the best Person i've seen as far as controlling the,

1898
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: game understand the, game understanding how to call plays when

1899
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: guys haven't had a, shot WHEN kg needs a, shot

1900
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: When ray needs to, shot what's a?

1901
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: Call what to?

1902
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: Run like he had to look Over, doc like you

1903
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: would be surprised at all the guys that are great

1904
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: players that can't control the game and call plays and you,

1905
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: know throughout the course of a. Game But rondo was

1906
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: the best Guy i've seen do that as far as

1907
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 2: just controlling the whole. Game you, know just call, him

1908
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: don't have to look At, doc you know What i'm.

1909
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: Saying just controlling the, game calling the. Game and he

1910
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: was the BEST i ever seen doing. That and so

1911
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: like when you're able to do that on the, floor

1912
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: you can do it on the, sideline, right you know

1913
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: WHAT i? Mean AND i Think ronald would be a

1914
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: hell of a.

1915
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: Coach but how difficult was that because you got a Young,

1916
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: rondo and you got a veteran IN, kg you got

1917
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: a veteran In Paul pierce And Ray. Allen and to

1918
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: see this young guy come in and do that and

1919
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: Let doc have him have that kind of, CONTROL.

1920
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 2: I, mean it was good because he wasn't looking for. Shots,

1921
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: now If i'm calling my own, play you know What i'm,

1922
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: Saying i'm shooting twenty shots a. Game but he was

1923
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: just doing. It he wanted to GET kg, going Get paul,

1924
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 2: going Get ray. Going they had no problem with, It

1925
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: like he, WAS i don't want to come in they

1926
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: shooting on the, balls you know What i'm. Saying so

1927
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: it WAS i, mean they loved.

1928
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,560
Speaker 1: It it wasn't because they, hear you, know like he

1929
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: and me the, Reunion he And ray didn't get, along

1930
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: him And, Paul pierce AND kg for the longest. Time

1931
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: AND i think for the most, PART i think they've

1932
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: kind of made some amends About ray going to. It

1933
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: so so what was what Was rondo's? Personality like.

1934
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: He had tough, personality you, know rondoph fight the drop

1935
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: of a. Dime he ain't taken. Nothing he ain't taken

1936
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: nothing from, nobody nobody. Like and he had that. Mentality

1937
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: and so, me my job was more just talk to

1938
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: him about how to control control, it how to control.

1939
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 2: It it's gonna be times for, It Like i'm all for.

1940
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: It like somebody got a, line you gotta, scrap you gotta.

1941
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: SCRAP i believe in. That you, know it can't become

1942
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: adversually all the, time you, know and so you got

1943
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: to be able to control it and be able to manage.

1944
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: It and you, know at times he's gonna be called,

1945
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: for but sometimes it's not gonna be called, for, right

1946
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: and so you just got to be able to be

1947
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 2: able to manage. That and so but he's a fighty,

1948
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: guy hates to, lose wants to, win and if you don't,

1949
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 2: Win LIKE i, said he's very.

1950
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: Described are you surprised that that he's not in the

1951
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: league BECAUSE i thought he PLAYED i thought he played

1952
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: extremely well The lakers in that in the BUBBLE i,

1953
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: THOUGHT i mean the years he played with The, LAKERS

1954
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: i THOUGHT i thought he was. Phenomenal. Yeah how old

1955
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: is he? Now though he might be a little, long

1956
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: it might be he gotta be at thirty that.

1957
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, YEAH i, mean LIKE i, mean if guys

1958
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 2: could do, it he could be one of the guys

1959
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: because he seems like he takes care of the care

1960
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: of his, body you, know control the game without having

1961
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 2: to get. Shots you, know from that, aspect remind you

1962
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: a lot OF cp like being able to just control

1963
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 2: the game and get guys quality shots every single. Possession

1964
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: he's that.

1965
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: Guy but you look AT i, mean you wouldn't. Think

1966
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: but he has a game where he dropped forty he,

1967
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Dropped he's twenty, four twenty, five twenty seven assists in a.

1968
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: Game how TO i mean it's not like he was

1969
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: like people, think, oh he just you, know he just an.

1970
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: Assist got, no he could. Score he could score, now

1971
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: he could score the.

1972
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Ball and so but like you, said just be able

1973
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: to read the game and understand how you're gonna get

1974
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: on the, floor, Right like does he really need to

1975
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 2: score when you Got Ray paul kg out there? Right you,

1976
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: know so he picked. Me you know you can, yeah

1977
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: you know when he wanted to score and be. Aggressive

1978
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: BUT i remember like the playoff game Against miami having Forty,

1979
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: yes What i'm saying He, couldah he could score the.

1980
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: Basketball SO i, Mean ronald was a great player, man

1981
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: like he don't get enough credit for you know who

1982
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: he really.

1983
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: WAS i. Agree this concludes the first half of my.

1984
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: Conversation part two is also posted and you can access

1985
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one.

1986
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: On just simply go back to club profile And i'll

1987
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: see you. There