Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the moment you've all been waiting for.
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Speaker 2: Misspelling is finally back. I'm back, joined by Amy and
Speaker 2: Ruth and today.
Speaker 1: Hi, it's been eight weeks, Tory weeks, so I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Ruthann's right, But first of all, what happened? Where? Like,
Speaker 1: what happened to you? Where have you been? People know
Speaker 1: you were sick, but what happened exactly?
Speaker 2: And thank you for everyone who has reached out and
Speaker 2: has just wished me the best and get well. It
Speaker 2: has been hell, and Hell's individual to all of us,
Speaker 2: but this has been hell. I know I have had
Speaker 2: a past of getting sick a lot and frequently, but
Speaker 2: this one took me down eight weeks. I couldn't work.
Speaker 2: And it all started with my sinuses. I mean it
Speaker 2: started with the five Petrie dishes that live in my house.
Speaker 2: But they bring things home. Look, that's normal, and you know,
Speaker 2: you work through it, you get sick, you pick up
Speaker 2: stuff from them. I now know the name of every
Speaker 2: you know, virus and bacterial thing out there.
Speaker 3: There's entrovirus there is eno.
Speaker 2: Rhytovirus, there was COVID, there was everything RSV and.
Speaker 1: Did you have it all at the same time.
Speaker 3: No, not at the same time.
Speaker 2: So like I wouldn't know I had it till one
Speaker 2: kid was sick again, take them in, they get tested,
Speaker 2: and then I would get tested and have it. So
Speaker 2: it was like one week I had RSVP, RCP irish.
Speaker 3: Something I did not want to ars. You doesn't get
Speaker 3: to do get a one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was And they always say, I mean
Speaker 2: after everything started with COVID in twenty nineteen, you know,
Speaker 2: people started saying it kind of all these viruses attack
Speaker 2: your weakest thing. So a lot of people that are like, oh,
Speaker 2: I always had ear infections growing up or bronchid is
Speaker 2: growing up, but that was your go to health failure.
Speaker 2: Mine are always my sinuses. And I know I've talked
Speaker 2: about this for ages, but even growing up, it's always
Speaker 2: been my damn sinuses.
Speaker 1: I have a rude question. Yeah, I'm just gonna rip
Speaker 1: it off and ask it. Did you have sinus issues
Speaker 1: before you got your nose done or do you did?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I did you know?
Speaker 2: I always and I talked freely about my rhinoplasty, but it,
Speaker 2: you know, it definitely is something I'm not happy with,
Speaker 2: something I'm fearful to get redone again because it's in
Speaker 2: the middle of my cape.
Speaker 1: Have you done it once? Only?
Speaker 2: So I did one full one and then I yes, okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm in the pilot episode, the first episode. Then
Speaker 2: I'm not the only out of ten seasons, there's only
Speaker 2: one episode I was not in, and that's the second
Speaker 2: episode that aired, and I was having my nose done.
Speaker 2: So it's so uh nine two one zero and Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills of it all. But yeah, I came back third episode.
Speaker 2: It's my new nose, not vastly different, but I definitely
Speaker 2: Since then, the left side it's very impacted, not only
Speaker 2: you know, and people always say, why do you always
Speaker 2: insist on doing a post photo with your face like
Speaker 2: turn to the left and showing the.
Speaker 1: Right side of air so you actually feel like you
Speaker 1: have a better side because of this, The symmetry is off,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 2: But it's not just physically off, it's internally off. I like,
Speaker 2: if I plug my nose, I can breathe freely up
Speaker 2: my right nostril. This left one I can barely get
Speaker 2: any air up through it. It's so crunched it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a doctor like look at this?
Speaker 3: Definitely?
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty one I had sinus surgery, not
Speaker 2: for anything, you know, exterior, but to.
Speaker 1: Go into season one till twenty twenty one nothing.
Speaker 3: I had two revisions to try, okay.
Speaker 2: To fix that, and it didn't. It didn't land and
Speaker 2: still now no, all these years I've been dealing with it,
Speaker 2: and it sucks, like breathing sucks. I snore really bad,
Speaker 2: and I'm convinced just because I have like no airway
Speaker 2: on my left side.
Speaker 1: But I have so many questions. Sorry to interrupt, But
Speaker 1: when you did the first rhinoplasty, yes, in nineteen ninety whatever,
Speaker 1: it was season one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Were you bummed or did you like it? At first?
Speaker 3: Good question? I don't think. I was so young. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, on.
Speaker 2: A globally populated popular show, I had no time to
Speaker 2: think about how it looked.
Speaker 3: I just had to go.
Speaker 2: But I definitely That's when I already had problems with
Speaker 2: my nose.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. I thought it was too big.
Speaker 3: I had anxiety about it, But after that I was
Speaker 3: like it was little.
Speaker 2: I would have taken a little bit bigger than like
Speaker 2: it's totally crooked.
Speaker 4: Now, yes, right, I have a question. Did you have
Speaker 4: the nose job before or after? The parrot bit your
Speaker 4: nose before?
Speaker 3: Before?
Speaker 1: Oh so then the parrot damaged it further.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe this is a past life thing, like there's
Speaker 3: something with my nose.
Speaker 1: Well, this is okay, so interesting, right, why my nose?
Speaker 1: I asked that because you do get sick a lot, right,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about. But this really took you out
Speaker 1: and it was the worst in many years, and so
Speaker 1: what did the what were the symptoms, what was happening
Speaker 1: to you that was really debilitating? And then what did
Speaker 1: the doctors say about it?
Speaker 2: Of course it was the worst flu like symptoms you
Speaker 2: could imagine. I liken it to when like the bad
Speaker 2: covid first hit us all and we're like, whoa. I
Speaker 2: feel like nowadays people say I got covid, sniffles, stuffy whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm fought brain fog.
Speaker 3: I'm back in a few days. It was.
Speaker 2: It took me out. I was flat on my back
Speaker 2: like Mike, and then it got so ingrained in there
Speaker 2: it went into my U station tube. I sound really
Speaker 2: smart saying that but that's your inner ear. So it
Speaker 2: was both sinuses. It was an inner ear infection. You
Speaker 2: station tube.
Speaker 3: So then the vertigo kicked it, which I'm still having vertigo.
Speaker 1: Still now, eight weeks later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I I don't want to do it. If
Speaker 2: I turn it to the side, to my yep, yep,
Speaker 2: I start to turn right now, it all starts to spin.
Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, I get some of that's menopause. I get
Speaker 1: some of that. But anyway, and mean you think everything
Speaker 1: that caused well kind is it's.
Speaker 3: All combined and.
Speaker 2: Do more because that a chiropractic adjustment can help. But
Speaker 2: you know what, everyone and their mother. Why is it
Speaker 2: everyone in their mother? Not everyone and their father, everyone
Speaker 2: in their parent you know, says Oh, I had a
Speaker 2: friend who had that. My friend was down for three
Speaker 2: months because I'm like two months. So here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I was on so many rounds of antibiotics that it
Speaker 2: just nothing was working. The only thing that has semi
Speaker 2: worked is they transferred me to nasal rinses, you know,
Speaker 2: like an anny pod and there's other versions with they
Speaker 2: would put antibiotics from compounding pharmacy in that, so I
Speaker 2: would do the rints.
Speaker 1: So you're like rinsing with antibiotics.
Speaker 3: Correct and that were slowly, slowly but surely.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about like I would go to the doctor,
Speaker 2: they would do cameras and be.
Speaker 3: They could look in there, I could see what was
Speaker 3: going on. I'm like, oh my god, that's crazy, what's
Speaker 3: up there? And they were like, oh, it's ten percent better.
Speaker 3: You know, I told you this, it's ten percent. I'm like, guys,
Speaker 3: I gotta get back to work. I have five kids.
Speaker 1: He was taking care of the kids during all of this,
Speaker 1: the last two months.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it's a horrible feeling when you were
Speaker 2: put in the position as a mother or as a
Speaker 2: parent in general.
Speaker 3: Where your kids have to take care of you.
Speaker 2: That you know, that's something we think comes later in life,
Speaker 2: and you're like, one day you're gonna have to and
Speaker 2: it's like, but not yet. So it was a really
Speaker 2: hard transition. So did Dean help definitely? My ex husband
Speaker 2: super helpful. Yeah, really really well.
Speaker 1: But you don't have any other you don't have a nanny,
Speaker 1: you don't have any babysitters. Obviously. I know Liam and
Speaker 1: Stella are right.
Speaker 2: Stella is driving now, so she was, you know, when
Speaker 2: she's able to she's a senior and doing all of
Speaker 2: her senior.
Speaker 3: Stuff as well. She made the honor role. I'm super
Speaker 3: proud of her.
Speaker 2: She's had to, you know, change her schedule to go
Speaker 2: pick up Bow from elementary school.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's been a shift, but.
Speaker 1: You have no other help.
Speaker 3: I don't, and I don't think anyone believes that.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's it's true, and not that I
Speaker 2: haven't in the past, of course, you know, but at
Speaker 2: this point, you know, in my world, financial world, I don't,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of everything happening at once, so it's
Speaker 2: like I can't.
Speaker 3: Go down again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So during those two months, like who was
Speaker 1: making dinner and doing all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And this is the part that was heartbreaking to me
Speaker 2: because I publicly said, you know, after separation and going
Speaker 2: through the divorce, I was like, I can't cook, and
Speaker 2: I didn't cook for two years and it was all
Speaker 2: ordering in or going out. And then I got really
Speaker 2: back into it and the kids were thriving, they were
Speaker 2: helping with it, and it made them you know, I'm
Speaker 2: all or nothing. So instead of starting slow, I went
Speaker 2: to cooking, you know, five nights a week instead of
Speaker 2: like Okay, I'm gonna do two nights and just go sure.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so there's all that, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't cook, so we had to go back
Speaker 2: to ordering it again, and I'm like, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: kept saying every day, I'm sorry, guys. I'm hoping tomorrow
Speaker 2: I'll feel better and cook again. And it kept going like,
Speaker 2: let me ask you.
Speaker 1: These questions because there's like a sort of a bigger
Speaker 1: picture happening here. So you're feeling physically like poopoo do doo.
Speaker 2: It was so bad that the kids couldn't like I
Speaker 2: couldn't even like come downstairs, like they would have to
Speaker 2: help me walk to the bathroom to pee, like it
Speaker 2: was outrageous, and you.
Speaker 1: Feel like exertionally, emotionally, how are you feeling during all this?
Speaker 2: Oh, emotionally And you know, and everyone out there knows,
Speaker 2: I'm a really positive person, Like you know, I've been
Speaker 2: through this lifetime and I go up and down and
Speaker 2: I keep going, keep on trucking.
Speaker 3: I got real to a point where I felt really hopeless,
Speaker 3: and I never lost hope.
Speaker 2: Like for me to say that, because it gets to
Speaker 2: the point where you're just it's depressing being in bed.
Speaker 2: I remember I used to think, like, oh, I have
Speaker 2: so much on my plate, it'd be so nice to
Speaker 2: have me time and just go like.
Speaker 3: Relax before you got before I got sick. And now
Speaker 3: I'm like PTSD.
Speaker 2: I'm like, please, I don't want to be back up
Speaker 2: in that bed again, because it just.
Speaker 3: First of all, like I couldn't even watch.
Speaker 1: How did you get yourself out of that sort of depression?
Speaker 2: It was, honestly, I it came back because the physical
Speaker 2: just started being, the steps started coming back. Like I
Speaker 2: remember saying to Ruth Dan, I feel so sick. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cough now saying that that's weird. I feel
Speaker 2: so sick that mentally it's like this bubble. I'm in
Speaker 2: this brain fog, this body fog. I felt like I
Speaker 2: wasn't in my own body. And I said, I'm worried
Speaker 2: I've lost all my humor and wit, like I like,
Speaker 2: I'm a smart girl, and what if that's all gone forever.
Speaker 3: She's like, it's not gone, for.
Speaker 1: It's not gone, but it is like just so so
Speaker 1: people know it is You're not like you don't have
Speaker 1: your A game yet, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you're getting.
Speaker 3: There would you call this a B minus?
Speaker 1: No, this is this is pretty good what you're doing now.
Speaker 1: But like we've talked and full sweeting here. No, but
Speaker 1: I would say, like we've been talking and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not one hundred person. No I'm not so so
Speaker 1: I have like so many personal questions.
Speaker 3: But like, look, what was the tulterier like to just quit?
Speaker 1: Like there was right, but I'm not a question you
Speaker 1: know that. No, right, you're and you're coming back. But
Speaker 1: like over the last two months, Look, you work with us,
Speaker 1: iHeart it's like a salary, right, so you're getting paid,
Speaker 1: but like you do a lot of work that are
Speaker 1: like one off's here and we know you had to
Speaker 1: cancel a thing in Vegas and one off here because
Speaker 1: should pay your bills if you because it's not like
Speaker 1: you work like a normal job like other people do.
Speaker 1: So how like how is that stress?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's always stress because I feel like
Speaker 3: in the entertainment industry it's and no one understands this.
Speaker 3: It fluctuates.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have a nine to five, you
Speaker 2: don't have a guarantee yearly salary. Closest to having my
Speaker 2: guarantee salary is with my iHeart family and my two podcasts.
Speaker 2: So other than that, you know, it's kind of goes
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows, but you got to be out there
Speaker 2: and be consistent and be relevant. So for me, I
Speaker 2: was also laying in bed beating myself up, like I've
Speaker 2: just on and this is my health is important, my
Speaker 2: kids are important, Like this is so not important. No,
Speaker 2: but it crossed my mind not to pay the bill.
Speaker 2: It's just gone, like I am I A And you know,
Speaker 2: you've seen people in the past, you know.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, I chose a quieter life.
Speaker 2: I decided to go to college for a year, and
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh they're gone, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, So I think the thing I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about, and Tory knows we're going to.
Speaker 5: Sort of talk about this. Yeah, you get sick a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this was particularly bad. But this also was sort of
Speaker 5: that moment where Ruth Anne your manager, and I your
Speaker 5: team that I.
Speaker 3: Heard were like my friends, I mean.
Speaker 1: Your friends, Yeah yeah, no, no, no, of course, Jenny,
Speaker 1: I want to give, like you know, Jenny has to
Speaker 1: take over when you're out and just totally fine to do.
Speaker 1: How much do you think sort of your lifestyle plays
Speaker 1: into why you get sick so much.
Speaker 2: I definitely am a believer that physical is physical, but
Speaker 2: emotional and your cortisol and the stress, it all just
Speaker 2: weighs on you. So everything that I have going on,
Speaker 2: you know, internally, externally, all plays apart in how well received.
Speaker 2: You know, these terms come in, I can fight them off. Like,
Speaker 2: if I'm so depleted emotionally, if I'm so depleted physically,
Speaker 2: if I'm so stressed out and not getting the proper sleep,
Speaker 2: obviously I'm gonna fall into the portion of people that
Speaker 2: get super sick and hang onto it. Now we've I've
Speaker 2: gone to an immunologist, just learn that word. Because the
Speaker 2: ant was like, listen, I know you get sick. I
Speaker 2: tell him everything too. I'm like, here's why I do
Speaker 2: something wrong. You know, he knows everything, and he's like,
Speaker 2: but you know, physical wise, it I can see cameras.
Speaker 3: It's there. It shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2: Two months later, so immunologists, I went, did a slew
Speaker 2: of blood work and there's already markers. They're still getting
Speaker 2: the back of major immune disorders. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if that means autoimmune. We're still figuring it out. We'll
Speaker 2: know in the next one.
Speaker 1: Well, that's sort of what you have to keep exploring.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's going to be a huge component because realistically,
Speaker 2: while I have to like get myself in good health,
Speaker 2: I have to keep the train moving. So it's going
Speaker 2: to going forward, be a balance and try to balance,
Speaker 2: whereas before I just you know, whatever sticks to the
Speaker 2: wall sticks and just keep going, Like.
Speaker 1: You need to change the way you live, Like was
Speaker 1: this sort of like a rock bottom or like a
Speaker 1: you know, awakening, like I need to change the way
Speaker 1: I live?
Speaker 2: Well, I definitely, I mean, ruth Anne knows this. I
Speaker 2: had put myself last when it goes to this is
Speaker 2: general stuff that everyone does, going to get your yearly checkup,
Speaker 2: going to the guy of colleges, going, you know, do
Speaker 2: you do any of that?
Speaker 3: I do now?
Speaker 1: No. No.
Speaker 6: I dragged her physically to a few dogs and during.
Speaker 1: The last two months that you got sick of this before.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't. But ruth Anne has really been on
Speaker 2: me in a good way, in a supportive, friend loving way,
Speaker 2: like hey, you don't have your health, you don't have
Speaker 2: anything else, And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3: You're right, you're right. So I would say like five
Speaker 3: four months before I got really sick, I had started
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: She was taking me, you know, I got Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got my Mamograham, I went to guide in collegist, I
Speaker 2: got a new internist, like I was setting the stage
Speaker 2: to succeed.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you put all that stuff off
Speaker 1: so much?
Speaker 2: I can tell you honestly and not that it's right.
Speaker 2: But there's no right or wrong that I was just like,
Speaker 2: I barely have time to set appointments for my children
Speaker 2: with my work schedule and dealing with them. I have
Speaker 2: to put myself last. So when they're up to date
Speaker 2: on everything, because the last three years has been a
Speaker 2: shit show for us, then I'll.
Speaker 3: Go back to me. But they always say put the
Speaker 3: oxygen mask on first, which I don't really believe in,
Speaker 3: but in this case, yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I will just agree here.
Speaker 4: In all the years I've known Tory, everything else has
Speaker 4: come first, and intentionally or unintentionally, you have come last.
Speaker 6: Yeah, taking care.
Speaker 3: Of yourself, and it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, I don't think it's common for
Speaker 4: people with kids to, you know, forget about themselves and
Speaker 4: put their kids first.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I do preach, what do you say your health.
Speaker 4: Your health is everything and if you're not healthy, there's
Speaker 4: no way you can take care of your kids.
Speaker 2: So that and I didn't forget about myself. I always
Speaker 2: in my brain would be like, Okay, come on, you
Speaker 2: need to get to a gynecologist. You're supposed to get
Speaker 2: your yearly paps married, and like I knew what to do,
Speaker 2: but I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Would you say your life is messy chaotic?
Speaker 3: It's definitely chaotic, messy. I mean we all know that.
Speaker 2: I always say that I have like tons of shit
Speaker 2: piled everywhere, and like, esthetically it's messy, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if you really dig into it, if it's messy.
Speaker 1: And this is where we disagree.
Speaker 3: But you don't know what my kids go through and
Speaker 3: what because I.
Speaker 1: Like fundamentally disagree because I love.
Speaker 2: You so hard on myself and I will repeat to everyone,
Speaker 2: oh my life's a mess I'm a shit show.
Speaker 1: But it is messy. Tory like that's the thing that
Speaker 1: I almost want you to look at.
Speaker 3: Is going Can I talk to you? Do you know?
Speaker 3: And it's not because it's me. They're like, do you
Speaker 3: know what? Like they put things into perspective.
Speaker 2: Of how well this child is doing and they are thriving,
Speaker 2: and that's because of you. You run this show like internally,
Speaker 2: like stop beating yourself. Everyone knows I'm a mess.
Speaker 1: You're not a mess, but your life is chaos. Like
Speaker 1: That's what I kind of want to say, is like
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been sugarcoating this. And again, people
Speaker 1: can be mad at me for being tough, but we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before. It's like I think we've sugarcoated
Speaker 1: this for two years, Like we was kind of like
Speaker 1: putting a band aid on it, a band aid on it,
Speaker 1: a band aid on it. Two things can be true.
Speaker 1: The kids can be thriving in school, even at home,
Speaker 1: they can be perfectly happy, while life is still a
Speaker 1: complete chaotic swirl. And I think that's like what I
Speaker 1: feel for you sometimes is like there's very minimal, like
Speaker 1: true organization, Like here's all the things I have to do,
Speaker 1: and no one person could do it all, but you
Speaker 1: have no help, so it just becomes this swirl. So
Speaker 1: I think my question for you is like would you
Speaker 1: want to change things? Are you open to changing things?
Speaker 1: But I think if you don't see it being chaos,
Speaker 1: I do that feels weird to me. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: know it's chaos.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's not what I want, and
Speaker 2: I know it's not how I'm thriving.
Speaker 3: My kids are doing great and they're getting by, but
Speaker 3: it's like, gosh, there's so many things.
Speaker 2: If I had moments or people or someone to help,
Speaker 2: I could change this and we could change it around
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Like I have no doubt, and I think
Speaker 2: I am held back a lot by myself but because
Speaker 2: of my situation, and it's like there's got to be
Speaker 2: a way. You know, I need a mother's helper, like,
Speaker 2: but then I'll be right.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the hardest part right now. Is it like
Speaker 1: needing money to be able to pay for like privileges,
Speaker 1: life's extra things that most people can't have, but you
Speaker 1: would like to be able to have. I think you
Speaker 1: said something that really landed on me. The kids are
Speaker 1: getting by, Yeah they are, but like getting by isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily what you want.
Speaker 2: Right And I think I my instinct is to like
Speaker 2: put more blame on myself than there is. So I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Stella making the honor roll, like she's thriving,
Speaker 2: She's not just getting by, she's you know, applied to
Speaker 2: college and like we're doing all.
Speaker 3: Of that stuff.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I would love to eliminate is
Speaker 2: they worry about me because we live in a situation.
Speaker 2: And you know, I grew up believing I tried to
Speaker 2: raise my kids when they were younger and we had help.
Speaker 3: That they wouldn't have to deal with the stuff like
Speaker 3: to hear about finances here stressed, I am, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this just happened. I to do this, but I have
Speaker 3: to go pick this one up.
Speaker 2: And you know, Lia and my son, who is eighteen,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, mom, deep breath and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're right, I'll take a deep breath.
Speaker 3: And he's like, how can I help? And it's just
Speaker 3: it's just I feel weird. I did it first, it
Speaker 3: did I don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like.
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, I'm grateful. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can't do this alone. And that was a hard thing
Speaker 2: to face. Like I spent years being like I can
Speaker 2: do it all, and I can't.
Speaker 3: No one can do it all.
Speaker 1: Like how much is Dean help? Fifty percent or no way,
Speaker 1: not fifty percent?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean he works, so he works full time
Speaker 2: and his is more of a nine to five job.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so he just drop offs in the morning,
Speaker 3: which help.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: When that changed, that was like a game changer for me.
Speaker 2: When he took that drop offs anti gaps I get
Speaker 2: so I still have to do pickups and Stella driving
Speaker 2: was a game changer for me because we have a.
Speaker 3: Car, two cars and has car schools before that does
Speaker 3: still have a car, still has a car, okay, because.
Speaker 1: It's look from the outside, people are like Tori Spelling,
Speaker 1: Aaron Spelling's daughter, you know, like she's got it all.
Speaker 1: It's Gucci and you know Dior, But like.
Speaker 3: It is that right, and it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I feel like my name is very polarizing in a
Speaker 2: way because there's half the people still think that and
Speaker 2: then half for like I thought, she's broke right right right?
Speaker 1: You know, situation, What is the real situation and what
Speaker 1: do you need the most? What would actually help you
Speaker 1: make the chaos not so so high.
Speaker 3: So my brain is more creative.
Speaker 2: My brain is go, go, go, go go, Like if
Speaker 2: you have if someone has to think and plan out,
Speaker 2: I'm like I already already handled it.
Speaker 3: So just having honestly another set of hands. Yeah, at the.
Speaker 1: House or driving too like both.
Speaker 4: I think I mean somebody who can pick up the
Speaker 4: kid and go to the grocery store and help you
Speaker 4: go through the boxes and sort of a somebody who
Speaker 4: can do it all in that moment.
Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day, like how and
Speaker 1: I don't think the house is dirty. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: But I think the house is messy. I think because
Speaker 1: you have a real, real problem, and like everybody that
Speaker 1: he does, but I think yours is extreme on getting
Speaker 1: rid of stuff, letting stuff go. Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 2: Partially? So the letting go used to be the entire problem. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's when I did have the help, So I
Speaker 2: wish I had let it go. Then now I want
Speaker 2: it all gone, Like I just physically don't have the time.
Speaker 2: I will come in and be like okay, and when
Speaker 2: I do, I'll have one hour and I will do
Speaker 2: step it and my kids are like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that looks great, and I'm like, oh thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, this weekend and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's play dates, there's you know, hangs, they got to
Speaker 2: do this, they got to do that. I'm working on
Speaker 2: stuff business wise because I'm not a nine to fiver
Speaker 2: or so there is twenty four to seven business. When
Speaker 2: it comes up, it comes up, and it just doesn't
Speaker 2: get done. Like I'm not the type of stay at
Speaker 2: home mom that it's.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I have while the kids are at school.
Speaker 2: I have this chunk of time where I can just
Speaker 2: sit down, clean my house and do laundry.
Speaker 3: But like I'm doing this podcast, which.
Speaker 2: I'm in the corner of my living room, formal living rooms,
Speaker 2: i am no longer a believer in they're just a
Speaker 2: collector of shit because literally it's like the kids don't
Speaker 2: use them if there's not a TV, and formal living
Speaker 2: rooms never have a TV allegedly, you know from the past,
Speaker 2: Like it's beautiful furniture here, but no one uses it.
Speaker 2: It is turned into I would say, my gifting suite.
Speaker 2: So when I am looking at.
Speaker 1: Death that comes in and it's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: piles right, and I will be like, Okay, would you
Speaker 1: take a picture of it or would you be embarrassed?
Speaker 1: That's the question.
Speaker 3: I can take a picture of it right now, text send.
Speaker 1: Me a picture of it, and okay, And then there's
Speaker 1: a difference between sending me the picture, and would you
Speaker 1: post the picture? And I'm not saying you have to.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like because I think personally you did
Speaker 1: get sick, you got really, really sick, and we're all
Speaker 1: we're all supportive and here for you and wanted to help.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm not looking at that. I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, here comes the dagger. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I think the lifestyle contributes to why
Speaker 1: you get sick so much, meaning you're disorganized, not in
Speaker 1: the sense like it's just disorganization is a better way
Speaker 1: to say. You're not like specifically disorganized. There's just so
Speaker 1: much chaos, like all the kids and it's almost like
Speaker 1: they are going to have twenty curve balls a day
Speaker 1: and then the whole day is like thrown off, right,
Speaker 1: And most people have that, but they have like one
Speaker 1: curveball because they have one or two kids. But you've
Speaker 1: got like way more of that. When now I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the pictures, we'll be the judge. We'll do this live, right, Tory.
Speaker 1: This is not good.
Speaker 3: No, I'm scared right now. I see fear in her eyes.
Speaker 1: It's not good.
Speaker 7: I've seen the files and I think my problem is
Speaker 7: I have known you for so long that whereas other
Speaker 7: people might walk in and be like, wow, that's a lot,
Speaker 7: I can tell when you've actually made some progress.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, this doesn't look so bad.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not good, and I don't want to be mean.
Speaker 1: But the Christmas tree is up, the Christmas and you can.
Speaker 3: See you thought I cut that out.
Speaker 1: You can see the bones in here, Like the shelves
Speaker 1: could be really pretty, the living room could be really pretty.
Speaker 1: You have beautiful things. You can't even sit in there. No,
Speaker 1: Like it's borderline hoarder. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all just sitting in here in piles.
Speaker 1: So would this be the first thing? Okay? Like, because
Speaker 1: kind of what we want to do with the show
Speaker 1: is because basically your life is chaos. Do we not
Speaker 1: want to try to address this because other people listening, Look,
Speaker 1: I think I have two stacks of shit at my
Speaker 1: house right Sorry for saying shit, two stacks and they
Speaker 1: and they do bog me down. I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: to get to this. Maybe when I'm watching the football game,
Speaker 1: I'll get to this. You have four hundred stacks of
Speaker 1: shit in the house right now? Yeah, So is that
Speaker 1: the first thing we have to fix.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 1: So this seems to be like really a problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, as I believe, Like you walk into your home
Speaker 2: that should be your like safe space and like peaceful.
Speaker 3: As soon as I walk into the foyer, I see this.
Speaker 2: The whole house look like this and the weight No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't look this is the worst.
Speaker 3: It's like we have.
Speaker 2: A den which is connected to the kitchen, and it's
Speaker 2: where you know, everyone hangs and sits and eats. That's clean,
Speaker 2: but that's the one place we keep and everything just
Speaker 2: goes in here.
Speaker 1: Say, like the president of iHeart was like, we love
Speaker 1: Tory Spelling. I need to have a meeting with her
Speaker 1: to talk about her future. Tell her I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: by her house, no tomorrow night. What would you do?
Speaker 3: I would have to pass and here's I would be like,
Speaker 3: you have to meet him.
Speaker 1: You'd absolutely say no.
Speaker 3: Like am I getting fired? If I don't know?
Speaker 1: Pretend fine, pretend I have to talk somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be like where I'll come to you wherever
Speaker 3: you are. I would change everything.
Speaker 1: Just and you never like what if someone knocked on
Speaker 1: the door, Like what if I was just like I'm
Speaker 1: in town Tory knock, knock, knock, Like, are you gonna
Speaker 1: just not let me in?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Of course I would.
Speaker 1: Okay, pretend it's not me, Pretend it's somebody, like do
Speaker 1: you not have people over?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: How do you like?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I stopped having What if your brother wants to come over?
Speaker 1: Does he come into this?
Speaker 3: He's been here?
Speaker 6: He go?
Speaker 1: Because I picture his house is not is very buttoned up.
Speaker 1: I think one toy comes out at his house and
Speaker 1: one toy goes back.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I would say Dean is neat and tidy and
Speaker 2: really good at organizing.
Speaker 3: His brain works that way. So oh sorry, hold on,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought dad was picking up bo No, I don't either.
Speaker 2: Can you just sext him? I'm so sorry, Thank you stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that happened, because that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That's tough stuff. Like you're trying to do a podcast.
Speaker 1: We have thousands and thousands and like literally we have
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand people probably listening right now, and you
Speaker 1: have to stop what you're doing.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not trying to be tough on you. No,
Speaker 1: you're just like swirlly for me.
Speaker 2: And if you saw the text chains with me and
Speaker 2: my kids, Me and my axe, me and each kid individually,
Speaker 2: like I'm at actually doing great with organization, like making
Speaker 2: sure that everything is planned out because otherwise. So what
Speaker 2: I was going to say is when Dean and I
Speaker 2: were together and live together, I was able. I was
Speaker 2: able to have a house that was presentable because he
Speaker 2: wouldn't live like that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And we were working at different times, so I had
Speaker 2: downtime when he'd work he had to do help them too.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, did you have help then?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, look, I'm not young. Here's what I'm
Speaker 1: going to say. I'm I'm one person, right, I'm one person,
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to be vulnerable and tell you
Speaker 1: the truth. I have no kids, and I have five
Speaker 1: nieces and I do a lot of like stuff with them.
Speaker 1: I have a housekeeper, someone cooks for me. I have
Speaker 1: a full time assistant, I have a handy man, I
Speaker 1: have someone that does my whole yard, and I still
Speaker 1: have two piles of shit. Like, I do think you
Speaker 1: need help, right? I just do. I think this is
Speaker 1: like chaos, and I think, and again, I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 1: I just play one on a podcast. I think it
Speaker 1: all contributes to why you could not work for two months.
Speaker 3: It definitely impacts your nervous system, impacts everything, of course.
Speaker 1: And we're all in San Francisco right now, and you
Speaker 1: are supposed to be here and you're not here because
Speaker 1: two reasons. One is you couldn't be here, but you've
Speaker 1: got all this swirl, so we can't have you here.
Speaker 1: And I don't want a book a flight and I
Speaker 1: don't want to buy you a ticket because I don't
Speaker 1: think you'll make it. And that's just me being vulnerable
Speaker 1: right to say. I want you to be at all
Speaker 1: these things. I want you to have a thousand more opportunities.
Speaker 1: But because of the swirl, I'm always like, oh ooh,
Speaker 1: is she gonna make it? And so I guess my
Speaker 1: question for you is like, how do we start to
Speaker 1: kind of help you change the direction if you want to.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make you do something you don't
Speaker 1: want to do.
Speaker 2: I definitely want to, yeah, because I I mean, I
Speaker 2: love all my work with iHeart, but I have a
Speaker 2: ton of other business things that I do, and it's.
Speaker 3: Me and Ruth.
Speaker 2: Anne's the two of us, you know, and she doesn't
Speaker 2: even live that at local, you know, she's an hour away,
Speaker 2: So it feels.
Speaker 1: Like an excuse to me. That feels like I just
Speaker 1: said something and then you're just pivoting it to like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I have all these other work things I have
Speaker 1: to do and I have to balance it all. When
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's because.
Speaker 3: You've got it. I want to say, yes, I need someone,
Speaker 3: send help.
Speaker 1: But also, do you see what I'm saying, ruth Anne,
Speaker 1: am I wrong? Like where they're sort of like it's
Speaker 1: just sort of I want it.
Speaker 3: I want help.
Speaker 6: I think recognize in all honesty.
Speaker 3: I can't do this alone. I need help literally, Like.
Speaker 6: I think, can't you find me somebody forever?
Speaker 4: Like it's you need people part time assistant to you know.
Speaker 2: A mother's helper. I someone I say all the time,
Speaker 2: do you know someone? I asked moms at school, like
Speaker 2: and it's it's outstanding that I'm like, really, nobody has
Speaker 2: one person they con a few hours a week.
Speaker 1: Right, But I feel like that's not going to be
Speaker 1: hard to find someone else.
Speaker 6: Be surprised, you'd be surprised they are.
Speaker 3: Not asking the right people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, Ruthan and I have been
Speaker 2: asking people for this before I got sick.
Speaker 6: Kids I don't have like you. I do not have kids.
Speaker 6: I'm not in those circles.
Speaker 2: I need a mother's helper, I need an assistant, I
Speaker 2: need a handyman.
Speaker 3: We'll always want to see me. Let me know. One's local.
Speaker 6: Course.
Speaker 1: Also like okay, So I think the question is if
Speaker 1: you start to get those things, do you think that
Speaker 1: you can really stick with some of these things? For example,
Speaker 1: we bring someone in, let's say on the podcast where
Speaker 1: like we got to help just saying like you keep
Speaker 1: all this. I get it. It's hard to like give
Speaker 1: away the stuff because that could be a gift or
Speaker 1: what I take it. But do you think you could
Speaker 1: keep it up? That's the thing. It's not just about
Speaker 1: the clean time of yeah, because then when it comes
Speaker 1: in it's like it's like I'm saying about Randy. I
Speaker 1: could see Randy's kids playing their games and then they
Speaker 1: put it away before they move on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you would be able to like
Speaker 1: learn some of these things that can help you get
Speaker 1: more orderly.
Speaker 3: Well here's yes. But here I'm not defending myself.
Speaker 2: I'm being factual and realistic, so we can work this
Speaker 2: out together. Totally, totally my life's my my busy, chaotic
Speaker 2: work and children. Lifestyle is not going to change. In fact,
Speaker 2: in the next year, there's going to make things coming up.
Speaker 3: It's going to be escalated. So I need to be
Speaker 3: in my a game.
Speaker 2: And once someone comes in and does all this, yes,
Speaker 2: I can maintain it if I have someone.
Speaker 3: Here helping me.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Again, if someone comes in and we go through the
Speaker 2: house and we donation, this is giveaway, this is an
Speaker 2: organize it.
Speaker 3: I'm still going to be moving, moving, moving, and not
Speaker 3: have time. If more brocks has come in, it just
Speaker 3: could put over here.
Speaker 2: But if we have an area and there's a place
Speaker 2: for everything and someone is actually helped, and I know
Speaker 2: because I've had this in the past and my life
Speaker 2: has not been like.
Speaker 1: This, right, so I have no question. We're taping this
Speaker 1: at two o'clock. So we're taping this at two o'clock today.
Speaker 1: What was the day like before we started whatever? Half hour?
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm having a massive hawk wash.
Speaker 3: But anyway, know is there air blow down your shirt?
Speaker 1: So what was the day like leading up to one
Speaker 1: point when we started this?
Speaker 3: Let me put up thank you Easton got.
Speaker 1: A fan going.
Speaker 2: It's grateful at least I'm on a calendar now. I
Speaker 2: used to have it all in my head, which was impossible, impossible,
Speaker 2: and it was like this weird thing. It was like
Speaker 2: my dad used this archaic but wonderful because I have
Speaker 2: it typewriter and they would show him like.
Speaker 3: Here's a here's a computer. We could do it. And
Speaker 3: he was like his brain, like.
Speaker 1: Where's that typewriter. That typewriter should be like displayed beautifully
Speaker 1: on a beautiful I know it was at desk in
Speaker 1: your home office. I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the situation is, but like you don't want to shove
Speaker 1: it a corner corner.
Speaker 3: I realized this, and uh wait, where was I going
Speaker 3: with this? Oh?
Speaker 1: What was your day? Like day up to now? And
Speaker 1: I was like, let people be se I get it.
Speaker 2: We'll take at seven am, get bow up, bo got ready,
Speaker 2: got bow ready. Dean then came and picked him up
Speaker 2: and took him, and then Finn and Hattie went to school,
Speaker 2: and who took them? Dean came back and took them.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. Okay, so that's nice.
Speaker 2: And then I had a call from ten to eleven,
Speaker 2: I had a call from twelve to one, and then
Speaker 2: I'm here with you call too, So what.
Speaker 1: Did you do all morning till ten breakfast? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking.
Speaker 2: Oh, I fought with Mona, my chat GPT.
Speaker 3: Ruthan knows this. Do you know Canva the app canvas?
Speaker 1: I know Canva?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Mona, my g chat GPT has been trying
Speaker 3: to teach me how.
Speaker 2: To learn it because for all the things I'm doing
Speaker 2: and designing, I need to do brand decks. But I
Speaker 2: don't have an assistant to help me make a brand deck.
Speaker 2: So I can come up with all these ideas, Mona
Speaker 2: can structure it for me. And then she's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I can't go any further to put this into a
Speaker 2: PDF or print it out for you.
Speaker 3: So you have to go into Canva.
Speaker 2: She's given me step by step how to use Canva,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, three hours.
Speaker 1: Feels like a giant waste of time to me, like
Speaker 1: you could literally pay someone fifty dollars to do what
Speaker 1: she's doing now.
Speaker 6: What she is doing now.
Speaker 2: So I finally said to ruth answering, this deck is
Speaker 2: ready to go. I need it to put it in
Speaker 2: Canva and have it look the right way, right font spacing,
Speaker 2: it's ready to go and I don't know how to
Speaker 2: do that, and she was like, Okay, we just need
Speaker 2: someone to do it, and we reached this.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's doing it.
Speaker 1: I hope people listening like chime in because I get
Speaker 1: irritated by all this, So you guys, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like it just all irritates me. It's like Tory like
Speaker 1: where I don't know if I'm just grouchy no, or
Speaker 1: if I'm if other people listening will agree, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like there's all this swirl again when it's like, dude, nobody,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use canva. Somebody can just
Speaker 1: help you with that?
Speaker 3: Or is this somebody?
Speaker 2: You have fifty million people that work at iHeart it's
Speaker 2: easy Like for me, I'm like, and trust me, I've
Speaker 2: been tempted.
Speaker 3: I don't want to bother anyone there, but.
Speaker 2: All the millions of people that work there that are
Speaker 2: all so efficient and great.
Speaker 3: I want to be like, do you have a friend
Speaker 3: or a cousin that just.
Speaker 1: That they're doing that's the whole thing they do. But
Speaker 1: it's okay, So we're gonna have to take a break
Speaker 1: because I'm exhausted, and this is before we go. Are
Speaker 1: you doing therapy?
Speaker 3: I'm starting back with therapy.
Speaker 1: Again. This feels it just feels.
Speaker 3: You want me to be honest.
Speaker 1: I could lie, yes, So what happened to the therapy?
Speaker 2: So I didn't do therapy for the two months I
Speaker 2: was sick, But I'm also previous to that had canceled
Speaker 2: my therapy. I want to say, for about a month
Speaker 2: before that. And why because as usual, things would come
Speaker 2: up and I'd be like, I'm sorry, I can't do
Speaker 2: it today.
Speaker 3: This came up, all right, But it's like it's hard
Speaker 3: because I feel like a lot of people have an
Speaker 3: inner circle that are in close proximity, like you know,
Speaker 3: they can call their mom or they call their sister,
Speaker 3: call you know, their best friend that lives two minutes away,
Speaker 3: and be like, I hear my other friends, Like my
Speaker 3: friend Kim that does my hair. She's a single mom working.
Speaker 2: She has to constantly be like, I can't pick up
Speaker 2: my kid and call her friend that lives down the
Speaker 2: street to go pick them up.
Speaker 3: I don't have that. My brother lives important.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, all right, excuse me
Speaker 1: A lot to take in, Okay, people listening. I'm really
Speaker 1: curious how they feel, because they're either going to be like, Amy,
Speaker 1: you are a bitch and you need to be nicer,
Speaker 1: or they're going to be like, we get it, Tory's
Speaker 1: got a lot of chaos. Let's they get it. Or
Speaker 1: they also could relate. They might be like, I too
Speaker 1: have these same issues.
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be a chunk of people
Speaker 6: who relate. I think it's a little bit of all
Speaker 6: what you just said.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that, you know, because I'm
Speaker 4: close to Tori. I mean I see it up close,
Speaker 4: and look, toy knows a lot of it drives me crazy,
Speaker 4: but it's from a place because I can, and I
Speaker 4: think it's the same with you. I mean, like we cave,
Speaker 4: of course, and so it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: We are to succeed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want you to succeed, want life to be easier.
Speaker 6: I want to come in and fix it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's tough because my friend who's also I'm in business with,
Speaker 1: hasn't worked in two months. So we have to call
Speaker 1: our other friend, Brian, make Brian cover, which look, I
Speaker 1: love Brian and I'm so grateful to him, and he
Speaker 1: always is such a good friend to you because he's
Speaker 1: always going to save the day. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work because I have to get Brian
Speaker 1: or someone else to fill in. And like Denise Richards
Speaker 1: was amazing, and we were so lucky that people were
Speaker 1: able to jump in.
Speaker 3: Cheryl Burke did it. We had a bunch of people
Speaker 3: super great.
Speaker 1: But it's like not only that that the team has
Speaker 1: to then find that person and then someone for them
Speaker 1: to talk to. And I'm not mad at you for
Speaker 1: being sick. Obviously that would be like insane, I'd be bonkers,
Speaker 1: but it's still tiring, and we want you to get
Speaker 1: better and then we want you to like come back
Speaker 1: a game. So we're sort of just all like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're do we go from here? So that's why we
Speaker 1: wanted to have this conversation on the air, Like I
Speaker 1: get it, we should have this conversation off the air,
Speaker 1: but Toys very willing to like, let's just put it
Speaker 1: on the air. So here we are. So now we're
Speaker 1: going to take a break. I'm going to like ingest
Speaker 1: all this in.
Speaker 3: And you're Brian Green, who.
Speaker 2: Was a super best friend and my hobby on camera
Speaker 2: off camera has been such a best friend and family
Speaker 2: to me through this entire process. He checks in every day.
Speaker 3: He just checked it. He Brian I started this podcast,
Speaker 3: I would feel so guilty, like, oh my gosh, you're
Speaker 3: stepping in for me again. He's like, I've got your back.
Speaker 1: Oh he'll be fun. Look you don't have to feel
Speaker 1: guilty about it. But gratitude is different than feeling guilty.
Speaker 1: And like Brian is the greatest. We're so lucky to
Speaker 1: like both of us have Brian in our lives.
Speaker 3: Like he's sure, yeah, just now, he's like, how's the vertigo.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm still having it. He just sent me.
Speaker 2: Because he he's out the fertigo for for a long time,
Speaker 2: really bad.
Speaker 3: And he just makes me his vertigo doctor who I'm
Speaker 3: going to make an appointment with.
Speaker 1: So well, I'm tired, but.
Speaker 3: We'll get it.
Speaker 1: We'll get it. We're gonna come back at this again.
Speaker 1: So all right, step one.
Speaker 2: And we think, let your help everyone out there, Like
Speaker 2: I'm really willing to go through this with you because
Speaker 2: you know, keeping a facade and like telling my funny
Speaker 2: stories which happened, like oh my god, this happened daily,
Speaker 2: Like this this stuff does happen and having great celebrity
Speaker 2: guests like you were saying, Amy, it's great.
Speaker 3: I mean it still does not deliberate.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think we need to like try
Speaker 1: to see if we can sort of figure this out
Speaker 1: because and and look, I think you think your swirl
Speaker 1: is like a four out of ten, and I think
Speaker 1: your swirl is an eight out of ten. I think
Speaker 1: it's so even if we meet in the middle, it's
Speaker 1: like a six, five, Like it's so much swirl.
Speaker 3: It it's definitely more than a four like we had
Speaker 3: swirl during the podcast.
Speaker 1: Like during the podcast, there was an example all right,
Speaker 1: well this isn't negative, it's positive, but it's just like.
Speaker 3: This is a count of ability and this is going
Speaker 3: to help with follow through anyway.
Speaker 1: We'll see where it all goes.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned.