1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Hello and alcome to food stuff. I'm an erie and 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm more in vocal Bump and it's time for another 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: edition of Cocktail Hour. But this one probably won't be 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: an hour. Oh no, this is going to be less 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: than an hour because we're talking about the whiskey sour, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: which is so simple and lovely and oh absolutely lovely. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Yes um. Disclaimer right at the top, jank responsibly kids, 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: according to the laws of wherever you exist. Yes, done, Okay, 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: So what is a whiskey sour? That kind of depends 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: on who you ask, But base level, you need a spirit, 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: citrus and some sugar. The spirit is probably whiskey in 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: this case. Yeah, but but that that is that is 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: across all sours, that's what you need. Sours are a 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: classic family of mixed drinks. In fact, they include things 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: like the Margharita and the Dacre Yes um. And in 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: the whiskey sours case, generally you can have whiskey, lemon 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: and sugar, typically with ice or perhaps one big ice 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: cube if you're a fancy, fancy favorite. Yeah, I love those. 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Although they melt so much slower, it's nice. It just 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: exactly it doesn't overwater your drink. They also look cool, 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: but as with pretty much any cocktail, they are about 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: as many variations as there are bartenders. You can add 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: egg whites, and that's how we enjoyed it when we 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: visited bitters for our Tonic episode It's delicious. You can 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: check that out on YouTube. You can um and bartenders 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: argue about whether this is the real way or if 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: this is actually a Boston sour. Slightly different cocktail. Yeah, 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: you can use a pre bottled mix or sour mix. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: It's often garnished with a slice of orange and orchard 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: but okay, so so the basic recipe for a sour 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: of any kind is two part space liquor, one part 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: sour stuff and one part sweet stuff. So the super 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: basic whiskey sour recipe is to take an ounce of 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: fresh squeezed lemon juice, an ounce of simple syrup, which 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: is equal parts water and sugar that have been melted 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: together and then cooled, and then two ounces of your 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: whiskey of choice. You combine them in a shaker with 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: some ice, You shake them, and then you strain them 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: over a fresh ice into a short glass. But there 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: really are endless variations. You can add bitters or sweet 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: vermouth or grape fruit juice or soda water, crushed basil 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: or that egg white or or whatever you want. Though 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: certainly some cocktail taxonomists, which is a category of cocktail 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: humans that certainly exists, UM, will argue with you about 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: whether it's still a sour once you've done too many 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: things or certain things. We like to fight over these 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: kinds of things as humans, we do. It's great, yes, 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: but what type of whiskey should I use? Oh, this 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: is another thing that people like to fight over. It's true. 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: It's a matter of preference. If you want something more traditional, 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: a lot recipes recommend an ad proof bourbon or proof. 52 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: If you want some more bang for your buck. Yeah, 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: If you want something more spicy, go with your eye whiskey. 54 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: That's what I prefer from my whisky sours. If you 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: want something more smoky, go with Scotch. It's it's all preference. 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: There's so many experiments for you to do out there. Yeah. Yeah, 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: and really it's just a research, yes, exactly, responsible research. Um. 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: And two egg white or not two egg white? Why 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: why would you add the egg white? Well, Um, it's 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: all about the texture. Yeah, it gives it a nice velvety, 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: smooth quality and bonus, you get a real arm work 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: out making it for real. Yeah, the texture of if 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: if you guys have never had a cocktail with an 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: egg white in it, it's sort of foam. It sort 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: of forms this like foam, almost like like a latte foam, 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: and uh, it's really lovely. It does not taste eggy. Um. 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Originally that the added protein made it popular with folks 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: that were ordering it early in the morning. Is a 69 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: hangover cure? We really have been trying to cure hangovers 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: with more alcohol for a long time for essentially. Oh yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: it's a nice idea. I suppose you'll try just about anything. 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I guess if the hangover is bad enough. Yeah, you can. 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: You can see our or listen to rather our Bloody 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Mary episode for more on that one. Um. If you're thinking, 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, you're adding a raw 76 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: egg white to a cocktail, that's right, But what about salmonella? Gosh, 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: what about it? Oh okay, well all right, so so, 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: uh you shouldn't be too worried about it. Back in 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, when we did not have as great 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: regulations about prevention of salmonella, the CDC estimated that only 81 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: one in twenty eggs was internally contaminated with salmonella. And 82 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: as to the the external presence of possible bacteria, the 83 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: shells are very well cleaned here in the United States. Um, 84 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and by any egg producer that you find. No one 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: wants you to get sick. Um. There's not one evil 86 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: legg producer out there. They're coming for you. Annie, What 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: did I do well? I don't know of ancient curse, 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: um at any rate. As of as of a study 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: done in Pennsylvania where they were having a bunch of 90 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: or where they had been having a bunch of salmonella problems, 91 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: the study showed that even in salmonella contaminated flocks, the 92 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: rate of contamination in eggs was just zero point zero one. Two. 93 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: That's pretty low. Yeah, that's like really low. That's incredibly low. 94 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: It's like one. It's not really a whole lot to 95 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: worry about. Of course, if you're immunocompromised and therefore a 96 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: greater risk of serious illness due to a salmonella infection, 97 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: use your best judgment, yes, and also read from a 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: lot of bartenders. One you're more likely to show gone 99 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: the peanut, the complimentary peanuts, but too. If it freaks 100 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: you out and you're going to be worried about it, 101 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: don't do it because you won't enjoy the drink. Then, right, 102 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: you're just gonna be You're gonna be upset about contracting chicken. Yeah, 103 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: as I used to say in college, chicken like that. 104 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Don't touch it, you'll get chicken. Oh gosh, I know 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: it sounds terrifying. My roommate and I were very high strung. 106 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: Shout out, Julianna, you're great. But so, if you are 107 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: going to egg white, there are a couple ways to 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: do it. Uh. There's the so called dry shake, in 109 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: which you shake the egg white with everything except the ice, 110 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: all of the other cocktail ingredients except the ice um, 111 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: and then add ice to just chill and slightly dilute 112 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the mixture. Or you can simply shake everything, including the 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: ice and the egg white together all at once, although 114 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: some bartenders say that this dilutes drinks too much. Yes, 115 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: and of course that's the way I do it because 116 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm lazy. Well, I shake it twice when you can 117 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: shake it once. Either way, though, as you said, Annie, 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: this is a serious workout because You're going to be 119 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: shaking this for like one to five minutes in order 120 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: to take the egg white from the kind of slimy 121 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: thing that starts out as into this lovely foam. And 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: what's going on when you when you create that foam 123 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: is is you you want to get the of aalbumin 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: proteins that are in the white of the egg to 125 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: to go from these um kind of tightly wound slippery 126 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: chains into these unraveled sort of sticky chains, and once 127 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: they do that, that lets them link up, trapping air 128 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: bubbles in the process and thus creating this sort of 129 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: light foam structure like a meringue that you're looking for. 130 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: Secret you can also use a blender, what like, including 131 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: an immersion blender. You can just put an immersion blender 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: into your shaker. I've been doing it by a hand 133 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: like a dummy this whole time. I love egg white drinks, 134 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: but the work involved does like turn me away, which 135 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: is probably a good thing. So that's the thing. I 136 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: always feel like, if I have to work for it, 137 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: then that I deserve it. Yeah, yeah, that's true, So 138 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's a good thing. I don't really have 139 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: a good lender, so I think I'll be perfect. Good God, 140 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: and he has saved it last. Anyway, Despite how simple 141 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: the whiskey sour is, or perhaps because of it, they 142 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: are consistently one of the most popular drinks in the 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: world um as. According to a Drinks International survey of 144 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: one d bars around the world, the whiskey sour was 145 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: the sixth most popular drink on the on the planet. Wow, 146 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: good on you, whiskey sour. So how did we get here? 147 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: That's a great question, isn't it. Yes, thank you. Let's 148 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: let's find out. But first, let's take a quick break 149 00:08:47,920 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 150 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: you sponsor, Yes, thank you. So now we're gonna tell 151 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: you everything there is no about whiskey, every single No, 152 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: we're not at all. Oh that's a whole separate episode, y'all. Um. 153 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: But very briefly, okay, history of whiskey here we go. Well, okay, so, 154 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: so the exact moment that whiskey was first created is 155 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: lost to history. Okay, sew history. Um. But some of 156 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: the first distillers were almost certainly monks or other religious 157 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: folks who were already working with wine or beer um, 158 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: either as a craft to keep themselves busy, to provide 159 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: funds for their church, or as a ritual material. The 160 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: first known records of alcohol distillation are from a Franciscan 161 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: monk in the twelve hundreds. One ramon lull yell young, 162 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: there's so many els. I didn't look it up. L 163 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: l U l L come to her and conclusions. He 164 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: counted among his academic pursuits a bit of light alchemy, 165 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: by which we really mean chemistry, but that word hadn't 166 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: quite been invented yet. Um. But he worked out a 167 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: technique to loosen alcohol from wine, and monks in various 168 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: places started making these higher proof liquors from whatever they 169 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: had around, brandy from wine making, or whiskey from beer brewing, 170 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: and monks called distilled spirits water of life. They saw 171 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: it as a medicinal, healing type brew, and this was 172 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: translated to the Gaelic vishka by Celtic monks in Ireland 173 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: and Scotland, which is where we get the word whiskey. 174 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: This was very much an art that was practiced only 175 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: in apothecaries and monasteries until Henry the Eighth Reformation hit 176 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: the monasteries in the fift hundreds or so and the 177 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: monks disbanded. Then the knowledge of whiskey making kind of 178 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: filtered out into the general public and eventually to America. 179 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: In America, Kentucky would become a seat of whiskey due 180 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: to its excellent water and crop resources, plus a whole 181 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: bunch of very complicated but still exciting stuff having to 182 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: do with like Catholicism versus Protestantism, and also taxes, exciting taxes. Um. 183 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: It further helped that Kentucky had a good river access 184 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: to New Orleans, which was an international I mean is 185 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: an international port and an eventual center of cocktail culture. Yeah. 186 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: So that's the so short version that very much abridged. Yes, 187 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: we will do a whole probably like two episodes on 188 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: whiskey sometime in the future. Yes, but in this episode, yes, 189 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about the whiskey sours. So let's get back 190 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Um. A written recipe for the whiskey 191 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: sour first appeared in Jerry Thomas eighteen sixty two book 192 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Academic Drinks, which we've mentioned before, but the drink probably 193 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: almost certainly existed long before this. That's because during the 194 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: sevent hundreds, British officers were typically typically given a ration 195 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: of citrus, sugar, and liquor, usually jenner um. As a sailor, 196 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: what you worried about was herby malnutrition and seasickness, among 197 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 1: so many millions of other things. But those three, But 198 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: those three counted. Yeah, well, and that's why you were 199 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: getting the rations of sugar and citrus, and right. The 200 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: British Royal Navy had come to the conclusion that lemon 201 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: or lime was useful in scurvy prevention thanks to scottsman 202 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: Jeames Lynde, who studied scurvy and made the citrus recommendation. 203 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: His findings were not immediately accepted. The Navy's Sick and 204 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Hurt Board dismissed a proposal that would have provided sailors 205 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: with fruit juice and seventeen fifty three, a year after 206 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: Len's paper on scruby, published, in part because of storage 207 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: concerns and at the near impossibility of keeping fresh fruit 208 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,479 Speaker 1: on long sea journeys. Knowing this, Lynn suggested a concentrate 209 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: of fruit juice made by evaporating it in almost boiling 210 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: water for several hours, which, unbeknownst to him at the time, 211 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: would have destroyed the ascorbic acid in the fruit that's 212 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: so useful in scurby prevention. Yeahs um. So this too 213 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: was rejected, and it took over forty years before authorities 214 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: that had any sort of regulatory power started taking his 215 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: study more seriously. But his study, which I read through, 216 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: had flaws for sure. Um. One story goes that in 217 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: a fleet of ships stocked with alcohol preserved lemon juice 218 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: made a nineteen week journey free of scurvy, and that's 219 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: when they started to be like, huh huh wait a minute. 220 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Alcohol preserved, Yes, interesting preserves us as well, it does. 221 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Experienced sailors didn't need lens a work to know that 222 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: citrus helped with scurvy. A lot of captains, including James Cook, 223 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: recommended or even required their sailors to have some citrus. 224 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Not too many sailors were raising their hands eagerly to 225 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: each straight lemon, however, so they put it in their grog. 226 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: Grog was beer or liquor usually around at this time, 227 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: diluted with water to keep the sailors from getting wasted 228 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: by the way. Um, and this is one of our 229 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: earliest examples of a sour. Suppose the first person to 230 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: serve grog and the English Navy was one Vice Admiral 231 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: Edward Vernon nicknamed Old Grog due to this stiff like 232 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: gum waterproofed coat that he was sort of famous for wearing. Um. 233 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: The material was called grog Graham, and that would have 234 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: been in the mid seventeen hundreds. Grog Grog Graham. What 235 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: a what a nickname? Old Grog old grog. Sailors dug 236 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: this jenk n ff that they brought it ashore with them, 237 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: And it wasn't long before someone got the idea to 238 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: replace the rum with whiskey, probably in the US, but 239 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: you never know. Some point to ship Steward Elliott Stubb 240 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy two as the inventor of the whiskey 241 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: sour after he whipped one up in what is now Chile. However, 242 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: the Waukeshaw Plain Dealer I've had I've been made fun 243 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: of for mispronouncing that so much. Waka shaw Plaine Dealer 244 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: published a story two years earlier, in eighteen seventy that 245 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: included a mention of the whiskey sour. This was an 246 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: American newspaper, right, it's in Wisconsin. Um. On top of that, 247 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Jerry Thomas's published trusipee that we mentioned at the top 248 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: of the segment came out ten years earlier under the 249 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: name Whiskey Crusta. Doesn't sound as appetizing, he recommended. Jerry 250 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: Thomas recommended enjoying it from a wine glass with shaved ice. 251 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: It also called for soda water, which people probably gave 252 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: up on because it lost its fizziness after being shaken. 253 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: And no egg whites, but he did call for egg 254 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: whites and other cocktails like bourbon flips. However, and this 255 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: is when I went on kind of a egg rabbit hole. Yeah, 256 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: so I've discovered that in the eighteen hundreds, apparently bars 257 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: had instead of complimentary peanuts, they had complimentary boiled eggs. 258 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure. Oh I've still seen this in some 259 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: Southern bars. Have you never seen this before? I have 260 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: never seen this. You grew up in the South, Okay, Yeah, 261 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: like like pickled eggs in jars by the bar. I've 262 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: never seen this, and I want to see it, and 263 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: I want to research it. I want to know everything. 264 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Future episode. Also, when I was looking into when egg 265 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: whites started to be a cocktail ingredient, I s doubled. 266 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: I stumbled on this interesting theory way back when and 267 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: still now. I guess um milk and eggs were forbidden 268 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: during um the Lenten fast, since there's no way to 269 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: communicate to chickens to cool it on that egg lank 270 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: during Lent, and since eggs were cheap, popular and had 271 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: a pretty decent shelf life pre refrigeration, a lot of 272 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: eggs would be hard boiled at the beginning of Lent, 273 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: and once it ended an easter rolled around, people would 274 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: feast on brightly dyed boiled eggs. That's where that comes from. 275 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Had no idea makes such so much sense. It does. 276 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: I never thought about being like, chickens may more much 277 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: more sense than than rabbits laying eggs, which I never 278 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: believed even as a kid. My parents told me that. 279 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: I was like, you're lying. I don't buy that for 280 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: a second. Young Andie was dubious. So I believed in 281 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: the tooth Fairy, but not the Easter. But it was 282 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: not uncommon at the time to mix eggs into drinks, 283 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: particularly in this thing called a post which is related 284 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: to butter beer. Yes a face. It was eggs, milk 285 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: and alcohol and other spices that less well off people 286 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: made its medicine or to help warm you up at night. 287 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: But eventually the rich folk adopted the practice too, but 288 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: with higher quality alcohol and spices. Of course, egg episode forthcoming. 289 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't no, I know. I was like andy stuff. 290 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: It got to get away from eggs and back to 291 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: whiskey sour. Speaking of prohibition meant that in the US 292 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: there was a lot of really bad base alcohol, and sours, 293 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: despite their origins, are not the best at hiding not 294 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: so great flavors. Yeah. Point, when you only have three 295 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: ingredients that you're working with, then it's hard to mask 296 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: the taste of bad whiskey, It's true, especially since that's 297 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: the primary ingredient. Not too long after prohibition ended, World 298 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: War Two broke out and distilleries switched to producing industrial alcohol. 299 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: For the most part, only after the war had ended 300 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: did sours start to come back into vogue. And fun 301 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: story in here. Somewhere around early into the friendship of 302 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: literary superstar f Scott Fitzgerald and then aspiring author Ernest Hemingway, 303 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: the two were hanging out when Fitzgerald grew quite agitated 304 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: after having perhaps too much wine. I've heard that's a 305 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: thing that happened occasionally I've heard that as well. He 306 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: complained of congestion of the lungs and fred it aloud, 307 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: and I imagine quite dramatically what would happen to his 308 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: wife and daughter after his impending, untimely death. Hemingway have 309 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: the cure to Fitzgerald's ales though a whiskey sour or 310 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: elimonate and whiskey, as he called them. Here's a quote. 311 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: If you want to do the best thing to keep 312 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: from catching a cold, just stay in bed and I'll 313 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: order us each eliminade and a whiskey. At the time, 314 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: this frustrated him away. This behavior from Fitzgerald, who wrote 315 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: about the instance in nineteen sixty four, is a movable feast, 316 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: explaining you could not be angry with Scott anymore than 317 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: you could be angry with someone who was crazy. It 318 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: was hard to accept him as a drunkard since he 319 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: was affected by such small quantities of alcohol. Oh snap 320 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: like double snap say. The whiskey sour also plays a 321 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: role in the Crying of Lot forty nine, written by 322 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: Thomas Pynchon. In between all her tupperware parties and dinner 323 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: making boardhousewife Ed Moss mixes quote Twilight's whiskey sours against 324 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: the arrival of her husband. The drink further makes the 325 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: cut in The Guardians Jim Crace's Digested Reeds, which are 326 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: these super short satirical takes on a of books. The 327 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: fact that it made it into this shows that the 328 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: whiskey sour is sort of symbolic of her domestic on 329 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: we yea. Yeah, the whiskey sour didn't deviate much from 330 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Thomas's recipe until the advent of sura mixes after 331 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: World War Two. And this was not great, not great, 332 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: but so easy. You just open a bottle and you 333 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: pour it in. It's true, it wasn't great in general 334 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: for cocktails at all, because bartenders were taking a good 335 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: alcohol and then mixing it with this syrupy, sugary process stuff. 336 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: More on that in a moment. Yes, um, it's like 337 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: straight up overly sweet pre made lemonade because this required 338 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: no prep time, no, no, how Um, it was cheap 339 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: and the mixes lasted forever. But at what cost, I'd say, 340 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: at what cost? What cost? The balance wasn't there, the 341 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: taste wasn't there, and people avoided them sours in general. Yeah, yeah, 342 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: And this went on until about the ninettes when Mixalogist 343 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: started experimenting with fresh juices again, and now the whiskey 344 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: sour is being rediscovered in bars and palettes all over 345 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the place. Also, in researching this, I found an instant 346 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: whiskey sour mix on Amazon. Was is the whiskey instant? 347 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I can't imagine that it is. 348 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: I was so turned off I clicked away immediately. I'll 349 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: go back and I understand. Okay, Well, while we all 350 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: contemplate the possible meanings of that, let's take another quick 351 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 352 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor. We've also cleared our throats. Everything is beautiful. 353 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: A word, A word though about sour mixes, A word 354 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: or several words more than two okay, okay um, if 355 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: at all possible, UM, I would I would personally advise 356 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: to avoid pre bottled, shelf stable sour mixes. The thing 357 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: is is that these things are flavored using citric acid, 358 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: like straight up chemical citric acid um, instead of actual 359 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: citris and juice, so they won't go bad. But that 360 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: does mean that they have to compensate for the flavor 361 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: with a whole lot of sugar. And that means that 362 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: most premade sour mixes tend to be mostly hypric dos 363 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: corn syrup. Not that there's anything necessarily nutritionally wronger with 364 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: that than with any other sugar. See our sugar episode 365 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: for more details. But these sour mixes tend to just 366 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: include so much like an unnecessary amount of sugar um. 367 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: So you know, if a bar lists sour mixes a 368 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: component in a cocktail, I might order something else unless 369 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: it specifies that it's homemade sour mix. And if you 370 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: are mixing at home, your own home, not a restaurant's home, 371 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: because they'll probably ask you to leave the kitchen. It 372 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: is so easy to make your own sour mix to 373 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: have on hand for a quick cocktail. You just you 374 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: make yourself some simple syrup, which means you bring equal 375 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: parts sugar and water to a simmer until the sugar dissolves. 376 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: Then stored in the fridge while that's cooling, you juice 377 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: a few lemons and a few fewer limes um. Then, 378 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: when the syrup is cool, you mix together two parts 379 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: simple syrup, two parts lemon juice and one part lime juice. 380 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: You bottle it, you store it in the fridge. For 381 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. It's delicious and fresh, it contains 382 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: actual vitamins. Wow what, and it does make a really 383 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: huge difference in cocktail balance. But of course, not to 384 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: get too far into food snobbery here. You know, if 385 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: citrus is prohibitively expensive in your area, or if for 386 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: whatever reason, you don't have the time or the grip 387 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: strength to squeeze a whole bunch of lemons, so you're 388 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: using store bought lemonade or like crystal light or whatever. Um, 389 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: or if if a friend like helpfully brought over a 390 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: bottled mix, never feel bad about making do with what 391 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: you've got, y'all. Um my, My personal drink hack advice 392 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: for the episode is to spring for at least one 393 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: fresh lemon or lime if you're going to be mixing things, 394 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: because just a single wedge squeezed into each glass makes 395 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: such a world of difference. Yeah, hopefully help balance out 396 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: that sugar just just a little, just a little. Also, 397 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: pouring soda water on top of anything helps. Yes, that 398 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: is a drink hack I use as well. And that's 399 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: a that that's our history of the whiskey sour history 400 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: and science and etcetera. Etcetera, which brings us to listener mail. 401 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: Karen wrote, I know it's been a while at this point, 402 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: but I would like to say a word for the 403 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: sport since I have to admit I got kind of 404 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: indignant when I heard it deemed useless. Some evening last fall, 405 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: on which my daughter and I had grabbed a random 406 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: dinner at KFC, my sister texted me asking me what 407 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I wanted for Christmas. Sporks. Being on my mind due 408 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: to trying to explain them to my seven year old, 409 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: I have jokingly texted her back, stainless steel sporks come Christmas. 410 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: Lo and behold she has managed to find me a 411 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: set of steel sporks. Since then, they have become a 412 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: beloved part of my family's table settings. See. The thing 413 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: about the sport is to really appreciate it, you've got 414 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: to use it not as a substitute for spoon or 415 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: for a fork, but as a charming addition to the 416 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: original flatware trilogy. Think of it as the hobbit. A 417 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: spork works best with foods that have both a chunky 418 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: and squshy liquid component. We are constantly finding new sport foods. 419 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: They include small pasta, dishes where the pasta itself is small, 420 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: especially if they have a creamy sauce and include meat 421 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: or veggies, bread pudding, our strata, baked oatmeal with fruit, 422 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: cobblers of any type, any fruit pie, ice cream combo, 423 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: or any cream pie by its jello salad talking the 424 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: giggling stuff with interstitial fruit though I suppose the whip 425 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: jellow type would work to Stu. But the platonic ideal 426 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: of sport food is the castrole. Think Shepherd's pie, chicken tetrazini, 427 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: anything your mom would make with cream of mushroom. Not 428 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: going to go into detail on technique, but trust me, 429 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: sports result in a superior cast role experience. I hope 430 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: you can find a place in your heart for the sport. 431 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: It's not an inferior utensil. It's just misunderstood. That was 432 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: quite the defense of the sport. That is, I would 433 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: want her on my legal team. Yes, um, we got 434 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of We got a lot of emails in 435 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: defense of the sport, especially from Australia, so it must 436 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: be a maybe they have superior sports. Maybe they just 437 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: know how to use a sport because here you just 438 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: get them. Yeah, and random fast food carry out but 439 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: you don't really know what to do at which point 440 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: it's it's also kind of flimsy plastic. At that point 441 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: it's not right, you know, stainless steals for it. No, 442 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: that sounds very fancy. Okay, now I now I'm curious 443 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: and spork curious. Also, Nick wrote in about our oyster episode, 444 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: you missed the opportunity to touch on the recurring roll 445 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: of oysters in literature. The most famous example, of course, 446 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: is the scene in Anna Karenina where Levin, a humble 447 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: country gentleman, dines with his friend Stiva Oblonsky at a 448 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: fancy restaurant in Moscow. Levin says that he would be 449 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: happy to eat just cabbage, soup and porridge, but Oblonsky 450 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: insists on oysters, which quickly become a symbol of the 451 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: cultural disjoint between the two friends. Levin explains that in 452 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: the country, one gets one's meals over with as fast 453 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: as possible so as to return to work, to which 454 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: Stiva replies, but that's just the aim of civilization, to 455 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: make everything a source of enjoyment. I kind of want 456 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: to do literature food in literature segment now absolutely fictional foods, 457 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: but not fictional foods, but didn't fictional books real foods 458 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: and fictional books. Yeah, oh absolutely? Oh y'all right? Right 459 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: in if you have any other favorite examples of that 460 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: kind of thing, like like best books too, maybe we 461 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: could do like a little like book review corner foods involved. 462 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: So good. I've already started when people recommend books to us. 463 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: I've started like an Amazon little booklist. Oh cool, Oh man, okay, 464 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: I I have I have, I have an Amazon list 465 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: set up for snack stuff. So we should merge these, 466 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: we should okay, all right, this is very exciting. Uh. 467 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit behind the mike, y'all. Uh. 468 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: In the meanwhile, thank you so much to Nick and 469 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: Karen for writing in. Yes, if you would like to 470 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: write to us, you can do that. We have an 471 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: email it is food Stuff at how stuff works dot com. 472 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. Yes, we're also on 473 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: social media if you'd like to get in touch that way. 474 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: We are on Facebook and Twitter at food Stuff. Hs 475 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: W stands for how Stuff Works, and we are on 476 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: Instagram as plain old at food Stuff. We hope to 477 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: hear from you, and we hope that lots more good 478 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: things are kind in your way,