1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: All right, folks, Well, UFC two fifty five just about 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: forty eight hours away or so, so we got to 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: get you ready for it. We can think of nobody 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: better to help us understand the fights, maybe had a 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: bet on them, if you're interested in doing that than 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: a man who understands the game has been at the 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: very top of it. UFC Hall of Famer, former UFC 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Light Heavyweight Champion, My friend in yours, CBS Sports Combat 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Sports analyst Rashaan evans Hi, Rashot, how are you, hey, Luke? 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: How you doing? Man? Good to be here with you. Man, 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: normally on with BC, but it's good to be with you. Man. 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: I know, we we got a history, you know, doing 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: a little bit of podcasts together. So it's fun to 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: be back with you. 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, it is fun to be back with you. 16 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: I promise not to make any inappropriate statements that CBS 17 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: will later regret, So I'm very different than BC in 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: that regard. All right, let's get this party started. You know, 19 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. I'm not one of these guys 20 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: who is either super high or super low on the flyweights. 21 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are polarized on 22 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: them there's people who are like, I don't care at all, 23 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and then you get the enemy hardcorese and they're like, 24 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's my favorite. Now I love this fight. 25 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk about in a second, But where are you 26 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: on the flyweight division? Generally it almost got eliminated. They 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: kept it, and I think we have a pretty good 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: fight on our hands, But I wonder about your perspective. 29 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel like you do. You know, 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 2: I feel like it lost a little bit of steam 31 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: with the whole transition and not knowing if it's going 32 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: to stay or or or go away. But it kind 33 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: of got me excited to see Fagureo come back and 34 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: fight the way that he did. You know, when he 35 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: did what he did to Benevitas twice in a row, 36 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: that to me, you know, it brought back a sense 37 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: of excitement back in the division because now, you know, 38 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: one of the things in the one twenty five division, 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: we all know those guys are so super athletic, but 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: one thing that you know, stood out to me is 41 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: the fact that they just never really had the finishes, 42 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: you know, those exciting finishes, those highlight reels that you 43 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: see on ESPN. But now they have a fighter and 44 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Davison Figureedo who can do that. 45 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: When he missed wait the first time in one did 46 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: you think that the second fight against Benavitez was going 47 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: to go the way that it did or did you 48 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: think maybe it might have been more competitive. 49 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: I thought it'd be more competitive, honestly, I thought that 50 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: The only reason why A big part of the reason 51 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: I can't say the only reason why, but a big 52 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: part of the reason why, uh he Benavidez lost the 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: first fight was because of the head butt. You know, 54 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: that head butt in the first fight of Benavitas. You know, 55 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: to me it looked as if like that kind of 56 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: threw them off, and then that finished and shot from 57 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: Figureedo was was the icing on the cake. But after 58 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: seeing that second fight, you know, it was just complete 59 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: control from start to finish and just a great selection 60 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: of shot you know, punches and just you know, complete, 61 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: just complete total smartness in there when it came to 62 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: fighting a guy as dangerous as Benavitas and not getting 63 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: caught with something as he went in for the finish. 64 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about Devison Figureedo. If you 65 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: only saw the I mean, he's obviously got a bunch 66 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of good wins over Pantosia and some other folks. But 67 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: if you had only ever seen the Benavitas fights, I 68 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: feel like you could walk away with a few conclusions. 69 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Rashot one would be physically strong, like very very strong 70 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: for the weight class, well rounded. But the big thing, 71 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: and I think you alluded to it earlier, was he's 72 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: got real one punch knockout power, which is just hard 73 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: to have in any weight class, very unheard of for flyweight. 74 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: Right absolutely, you know. I think the biggest thing to 75 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: the reason why he's able to land those punches the 76 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: way he does is because the kind of punches that 77 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: he throws, he kind of throws like a shovel upper 78 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: cut hook, type of mixed you know, type of transition 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: of punch is really hard to describe, but you know 80 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: it comes from an angle where his opponents doesn't see it. 81 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: And at the same time, he has a really good 82 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: way of a pulling his opponent's in with his inout ability, 83 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, and those guys try to corn them the 84 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: pretty soon they don't realize that he just put him 85 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: in a trap. And then he comes with those punches 86 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: at odd angles and then not only does he only 87 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: come with one punch, but he comes with consecutive punches, 88 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: and those consecutive punches at least one of them find 89 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: the mark with devastating fashion. And on the. 90 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Ground, I mean, I don't feel like, you know, if 91 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: you fight a light heavyweight and you go against Glover 92 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: to shit, yeah you need to have some good ground defense. 93 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: So maybe some good ground offense as well. But like 94 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: in general, I don't know how necessary it is fight 95 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: to fight to be worrying about that. I'm sure they 96 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: train it, but I'm just saying how often does it 97 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: end up there where it's a really important consideration, you know, 98 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: it's important, but at flyweight it's like absolutely critical because 99 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: the transitions are crazy, the scrambles are crazy, and this 100 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: dude defysons figuredo has very good control as well, right, 101 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: so he's a bit of a combo there. He's got 102 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: big punches and then on top of it on the ground, 103 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: good finisher, you know, good at taking the back and 104 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: then maintaining position on the ground as well. 105 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean the way that he is just 106 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: so fluid and transitional and all the grappling exchanges, you know, 107 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: it just allows him to throw punches with reckless abandon 108 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: You know, when you're not worried about getting taken down 109 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: because you have the ability to scramble to your feet 110 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: or cause a guy to be in a scrambled position 111 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: that he doesn't want to be in. Then you have complete, 112 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, just just autonomy just to throw whatever you 113 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: want on your feet and you seeing him throw it. 114 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: You see him with the confidence in his stand up. 115 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes his hand is not even responsibly put over his head. 116 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: They kind of buy aside, but he's walking in and 117 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: the way he's walking in and shifting his weight from 118 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: side to side, it makes it a harder loseive target hit. 119 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: And at the same time he has a lot of 120 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: power with those punches that they catch. 121 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: You, all right. So the other issue though is weight. 122 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: Before we talk about Alex Perez Devinson, Figureededo has missed weight. 123 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: In fact, he had to fight Benavidez twice because he 124 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: missed it the first time. Now you would imagine being 125 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: a UFC champion at this point, you would have somebody 126 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: in control of this kind of process so you could 127 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: streamline it. Do you have any concerns he would miss 128 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: weight again? 129 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: You know, I think that first time it was it 130 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: was a very sore reminder, and you know he had that. 131 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, he promised his grandfather that he'll come home 132 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: with the belt and then he didn't come home with 133 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: the belt because he misswaight. So I think that may 134 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: be enough to kind of scare him to get his 135 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: weight under control. But at the same time, he is 136 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: a bigger one twenty five pointer. You know, he's a 137 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: taller guy, and he's lean as off. You know, he's 138 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: super lean, So a guy that with that kind of build, 139 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: it can be really tough for him to make the weight. 140 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: And you see that he has the power of a 141 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 2: one thirty five pounder, so he might just be technically 142 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: speaking to a one thirty five pounder if he allowed himself 143 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: to really be in his normal weight. So, you know, 144 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: it's really hard to say. I think this fight right here, 145 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: and how he makes the weight and how he looks 146 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: on a scale this weekend will determine, you know, is 147 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: he too big for this weight class and is the 148 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: scale is going to be a consistent problem for him? 149 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about Alex Perez. One story 150 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: that no one talks about in modern MMA that, to 151 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: my satisfaction, I should say is that Colin Oyama has 152 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: been a successful trainer for basically like the MMA version 153 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: of generations, right, he was training Rampage and before that 154 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: as well. Have you ever like talked to Colin Oyama? 155 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: Have you ever, like even even for just a pad session, 156 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: have you ever worked with him? Because to me, Rashad, 157 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: he seems like there are a lot of coaches who 158 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things, right. He seems 159 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: like one of these guys who can take raw material 160 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and then get the best out of them and that 161 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: that developmental process. I think you have that with Alex Perez. 162 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: I think so too. You know one thing about Oyama. 163 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: I never got a chance to work with him, but 164 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: I worked alongside of people who got a chance to 165 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: work with them closely, and they all say the same thing. 166 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: You know, he's he's one of those coaches who, you know, 167 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: teaches the fighter how to bring out the best in them. 168 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: You know, he's not one of those guys who have 169 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: a system and try to get the guys that go 170 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: into the system. You see that a lot with a 171 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: lot of different head coaches. They want the guys to 172 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: fight in a certain kind of system. But he's very 173 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: good at just seeing what the guy does really well 174 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: and then adapted his style or adapting a style to 175 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: that that will make that that style that much more potent. 176 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: So he has a really good coach in that respect. 177 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: You know, that's not going to change the way that 178 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: he fights, but only just enhance the way that he fights. 179 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: But you see the improvements on Perez. I mean, the 180 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: one thing that really impresses me about Perez that that 181 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: really you know, that that really I guess sheds light 182 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: on the fact that he's the first contender guy to 183 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: be put into a championship title fight situation, is the 184 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: fact that when he throws his punches, his transitions are 185 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: so smooth to his takedown and then when he gets 186 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: down on the ground, his transitions from his jiu jitsu, 187 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: they're so smooth and they're just so fast. And when 188 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: you're going at the one twenty five weight class, it's 189 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: all about the transitions. We watched, you know, Dimitris Johnson trend, 190 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: you know, destroy the weight class for years, and he 191 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: primarily did it not because he was the best technically speaking, 192 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: but I think because he has some of the best 193 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: transitions in the game. 194 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: All Right, so let's talk about his game here just 195 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Speaking of Alex Perez, let's start with 196 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: the last fight he had over for Mega with the 197 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: devastating leg kicks, a new wrinkle in his game. I mean, 198 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: he had thrown them before Rashad, but he actually put 199 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: away a top contender for Mega has a win by 200 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: the way over the rating champion Figuredo several fights ago, 201 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: but nevertheless he does have one and those were just 202 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: absolutely devastating. What I loved about it was not just 203 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: how effective they were, but the reason why they were affected, 204 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: which was, you know, there's two are shot. You see 205 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot of guys fight the rocket and then they'll 206 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: go for a takedown. It's like, dude, keep doing what's working. 207 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Well he did, and he got a tremendous result from it. 208 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and like you said, you know, he 209 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: did what was continued working show. That shows that he 210 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: has that fight IQ, but more importantly, it shows that 211 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: he's getting the confidence in the stand up in areas 212 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: that's not typically speaking of a wrestler, you know, getting 213 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: those leg kicks going and out kicking somebody like Figuretta 214 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: with the experience that he has and being able to 215 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: bring that kind of victory to uh to to that fight. 216 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: You know, being able to do that kind of thing 217 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: against an opponent like Figuretto is a huge confidence mosh 218 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: when you have to fight somebody, and and Davidson that 219 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: that he's going to have to really you know, believe 220 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: in those kicks, believe in those punches and move forward. 221 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: Uh. By the way, do you ever wish that the 222 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: calf kick was a bigger part of mma when you 223 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: were competing in it? I mean it was a part, 224 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: but now it's like the kick, it's the kick of 225 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: all kicks. Do you ever think about that? 226 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think about that, man, especially when I'm taking them. 227 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: You know. 228 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: Uh, you know when I took when I fought Anthony Smith, 229 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: I was he threw a leg he threw one of 230 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: those calf kicks and I got kicked through them in practice. 231 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: But when he threw a leg kick, that calf kick, 232 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: it just kind of changed my thinking for a split second. 233 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: You know, it's very rare in the fight that you 234 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: feel pain. And that's one thing that this pain that 235 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: this kick does. It makes you feel pain right away, 236 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: and it's not something that you can you know, walk off. 237 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: When you feel that kind of pain, it makes you 238 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: take notice. It makes you change your stands and it 239 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: makes you think, Okay, I need to get this guy 240 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: in close quarters or or make a mistake. 241 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: And also, as I understand it, it's actually good for 242 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: people who want to keep distance too, because you can 243 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: do it and versus if you're hitting them on the thigh, 244 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: you can actually stay a little bit further away, which 245 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: gives you some more options. 246 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, And it's and it's such a good uh. 247 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: It's such a hard thing to time. You know. The 248 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 2: thing that Emma is like this. If I can hit 249 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: you in some kind of way and take little as 250 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: damage as possible, if I do that more and more 251 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: than you do that, then I'm gonna win the fight. 252 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: And that's what that kick does. It offers the opponent 253 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: and opportunity to land something and not put himself at 254 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: too much danger but have maximum impact for damage. 255 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: Pretty amazing, Okay, but before that he actually had two 256 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: nice wins. He had some submission finishes. Alex Perez wrestled 257 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: in college, as we know, not some super high level. 258 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: He wasn't ed ruth, but still you know, he accomplished 259 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: that and has turned that into a guy where I 260 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: love this is this is one of the benefits the flyways, 261 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: right Rashad, which is you can get these guys who 262 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: have good wrestling and they've got good scrambling, and they 263 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: can just bite on a guillotine very quickly or use 264 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: the transition to lock up the anaconda, which he likes 265 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: to do. He's pretty gifted at finding that moment to 266 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: just you know, it doesn't he doesn't lay you flat 267 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: on your back, passed the side, go to mount, wait 268 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: for you to turn slowly hand fight to get the 269 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: joke in like almost like a Demian my style. He 270 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: just latches on like a gator and then finds a 271 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: way to go from there. 272 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and like you said it, you know, 273 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: I think the biggest, you know, part of him being 274 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: so successful the fact that he does those transitions so well, 275 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: and he does those transitions so well primarily speaking, just 276 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: because of the fact that he knows that you know, 277 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: in these transitions is the biggest opportunity for the guy 278 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: to make the mistakes. So he looks to try to 279 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: get in a scrambled position because he is anticipating what 280 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: the guy is going to do. Guys that have this 281 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: ability to scramble, they drill for hours and hours. They 282 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: do a lot of randory, so they understand where the 283 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: body's going to move. They understand where the body's going 284 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: to flow, and that way they can anticipate it. So 285 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: they love to get in these scramble matches where it's 286 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: like I look like or I may seem like I 287 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: don't know what moves next, but he already has it memorized. 288 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: Body memorizations through randory, through light sparn through light training 289 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: gets that muscle memory so you know what to do 290 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: when it's time to do it. 291 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: Last thing on this, we'll go over a couple of 292 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: the numbers here. I'll go to the odds in just 293 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: a second. I don't know if he knows I didn't 294 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: know this. The average fight time for Figaredo is nine 295 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: minutes and forty four seconds. For Perez it's basically seven minutes. 296 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: So both of these guys on average don't go longer 297 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: than two rounds. Keep that in mind. Reach reach advantage 298 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: for Deeverinson Figaredo sixty eight to sixty five. We sud 299 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: this is what I want you to weigh on here 300 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: a little bit for the grappling. This was kind of funny. 301 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Takedowns per fifteen minutes, right, So that's how much on 302 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: average you might get after a three round fight. You 303 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: got three takedowns for Alex Perez. You only got like 304 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: one and a half for Figaredo. But this is the 305 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: bigger one takedown defense. Eighty seven percent for Perez, sixty 306 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: one percent for Figaredo. Are you surprised by those numbers? Uh? 307 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really, I really am. You know, I thought that, 308 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: you know, Figarreedo would be harder to take down, but uh, 309 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: you know, at the same time, it just kind of 310 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: shows that the level of Alex Perez and where he's at, 311 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, and and why he's in his position. He 312 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: keeps the fight where he wants to keep the fight. 313 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: A fighter who can determine where the fight goes nine 314 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: times out of ten, wins the fight. And the one 315 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: thing that you know, you see in Perez, you see 316 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: a guy who's very busy, who's very busy, mixing in 317 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: all kinds of techniques, going high to low, high to low. 318 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: All of that makes it very hard to defend. Again, 319 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: so when you have a fighter who's coming in at 320 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: you at all angles, you find yourself on your heels 321 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: a lot. And that's what Perez has been able to 322 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: do to a lot of his opponents. 323 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, there are four point six eight 324 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: strikes per landed per minute for Perez, just two point 325 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: eight for Figaredo. Last thing on this two years ago, 326 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: more or less roughly two years ago, Benevitezo, justin Benavitez 327 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: beat Perez inside of a round, took them down ground 328 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: upon the whole nine yards. But it was two years ago. 329 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: So I don't want to say that it doesn't matter, Rashad, 330 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: but I guess I would be asking, Okay, well, how 331 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: much can we take away from that relative to this 332 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: upcoming matchup. 333 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have to give it some kind 334 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: of credibility because you know it did happen, right, But 335 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: you're also looking at the fact that you know, that 336 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: was a fight that helped mature Perez into being what 337 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: we see today, you know, And with that said, I 338 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: do believe that, you know, there is ability for something 339 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: like that to happen. But at the same time, I 340 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: do believe that that was probably something that stayed in 341 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: present's mind and was a cornerstorm of why we see 342 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: him in the positions that he is in right now. 343 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: You know, it takes, you know, getting dominated in some 344 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: area at some point in your career in order to 345 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, now I need to work on this, 346 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: and then you become assessed about working about it, and 347 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: then it never happens again. 348 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: Do you have one of those moments? 349 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I have. I have a feel of those moments. 350 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: I have. I have a feel of those moments. It was, 351 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: you know when I when I thought, uh, Sean Salmon, 352 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: for some reason, I thought that my ability to neutralize 353 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: position and get back up to my feet was was 354 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: a lot better than what it was. And in that fight, 355 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I got so frustrated because it was really hard for 356 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: me to get up and I was like stuck on 357 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: my back, and uh it showed me that how I 358 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: had a lot more work to do on the ground. 359 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you also sent him to the land of Wind. 360 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: And I was in my basement and in here in 361 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: this house when I had first moved in here, watching 362 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: that fight on my television, and I yelled so loud 363 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: my neighbors knocked on my door, wondering if I had 364 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: at home invasion. I was like, no, just knock Sean 365 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: Samon the fuck out, That's all My husband real quickly 366 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: minus three ten for Devison figurreat of plus two fifty. 367 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: But yes, for Shad, you have created many fun memories 368 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: for me and observed I will all right, so let's 369 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: go to the comin event. This is funny, right, I'm 370 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna put the odds first, because I feel like the 371 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: story kind of starts there. If we can look at 372 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: these numbers minus twelve hundred for Valentine and Chevchenko against 373 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Jennifer Maya plus seven fifty. You know, on the show 374 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: of uh Rashad BC and I cover a lot of MMA, 375 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: but we cover boxing as well, and you notice that 376 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: the odds are very different, not just because sometimes you 377 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: don't get the best fight in the best but even 378 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: when you do, you know, boxing is not quite as 379 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: unpredictable as MMA. So for example, we just had Lomachenko 380 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: fighting Lopez, and Lopez came in Altai one. He came 381 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: in at about a plus four or five hundred, which 382 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: is a pretty big underdog by MMA standards. But I 383 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: have to say this, Valentina Chevchenko, every time she's up. 384 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen a fighter defending a UFC 385 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: title who is consistently over minus one thousand going into 386 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: these matchups, she just seems to be so far ahead 387 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: of her peers. 388 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: Yes, oh, absolutely absolutely, And I say the reason why 389 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: she's so ahead of her peers is when you look 390 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: at her lifestyle and you sit down and you hear 391 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: her interviews and anything that she does, you know she 392 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: has made fighting her life. There's no boyfriend, there's nothing 393 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: else but fighting. She lives on the road, She trains 394 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: every single day, Her coach is available to her all 395 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: the time. And that's another thing too. There's so many 396 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: LMA camps, and there's so many ways that people train, 397 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: but I really feel that it's the one on one 398 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: that really makes the difference in an athlete's career. I mean, 399 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: it's great to be able to go to a team 400 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: and have that kind of training to be able to 401 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: get the bodies, but at some point, when you reach 402 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: a certain level, you need to have the one on one. 403 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: You need to have the coaches around you making sure 404 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: that you're getting every single game, every single part of 405 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: your game tuned up if it needs to be tuned up, 406 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: or just stay as sharp as it needs to be. 407 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: But that's one thing that Chifchenko has and I think 408 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: that's why we see her as champion. 409 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure where to go with 410 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: the descriptions on her because it's not that you can 411 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: say she's flawless, right, Every fighter has weaknesses, and I 412 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: think she has identifiable weaknesses. But it's the thing, it's like, Okay, 413 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: let's go down the list of contenders. Show me the 414 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: person on this list who you think has got the 415 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: magic formula to take advantage of her weaknesses. And that's 416 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: where the rubber begins to meet the road. Because as 417 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: talented as Jennifer MIAs and we'll get to her just 418 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: a second, for the weaknesses that Valentina Schevchenko has one, 419 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: they're getting smaller and smaller, and two, her advantages in 420 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: the other forms of the game and her ability to 421 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: keep it there are incredible. So let's talk about the 422 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: stand up for just a second. If I had to 423 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: ask you to describe it, but imagine I had never 424 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: seen it, what would you say about it? Man? 425 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: First, I will say it's devastating, but then I'll describe 426 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: why am I saying it's devastating Because the fact that 427 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: her punch her kick selectionion is just absolutely phenomenal. She 428 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: knows exactly where to attack the opponent, and she has 429 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: very good eyes. Her eyes, to me is one of 430 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: the key things that separates her from a lot of 431 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: the other fighters because what she does is that she's 432 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: able to see her opponent come in. And she doesn't 433 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: have a lot of movement with her hands, just regular movement. 434 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: When she does, she keeps them in place, and then 435 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: she's ready to fire at all times. And the fact 436 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: that she's ready to fire it gives her the advantage 437 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: because when she's ready to go after she counters, she's 438 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: going with two or three strikes and it's almost impossible 439 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: for her opponent to even recognize what she's doing because 440 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: she's so far ahead of her. But the intelligence with 441 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: the strikes, to me, is what makes her head and 442 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: shoulders above the rest. 443 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: There's only a few fighters in the UFC who do 444 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: this very well. I mean some try it' talking about 445 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: like the ones who can consistently do it her style 446 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Bender and then this new dude out of Tiger Muay 447 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 1: Thai Raphaelfazaiev, where they do the lean. You know, they 448 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: don't move their feet, they stay in range, but they 449 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: know how to get just out of the way. I 450 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: don't mean like slipping. I mean, like the real big 451 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: you know, matrix like leans. So she's able to like 452 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: put that pressure, get that range and then stay out 453 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: of the way. If she has to move her feet, 454 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: she can, but she also has that lean. She's the 455 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: one talks about this. I saw her in person. You 456 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: think you were there too when we were there for 457 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Meywether McGregor. She was making the video rounds. She has 458 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: a bullet necklace, an actual bullet as a necklace. And 459 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: you shake her hand, and you know, you ever shake. 460 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a real athlete. But for an ordinary 461 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: normal person like me, even you know, I'm a big dude. 462 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I shook her hand. You could just feel the tension 463 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: in her hand. Man, Like, she's a real deal athlete. 464 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: She's not just smart. And I feel like that shouldn't 465 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: get lost in the equation either. 466 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Nah, she is a real deal athlete. You know, she 467 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: takes it super serious. I mean, her mindset around competing 468 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: is super solid. You know, not only does she have 469 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: it physically, but like you said, mentally speaking, she makes 470 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: sure she takes a mental inventory. She's very, very very 471 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: present and why she's champion. And by that, I mean, 472 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: you know She's not scattered about trying to do other things. 473 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: She knows that she's a UFC champion. She's focused on 474 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: being a UFC champion, and she doesn't care about anything 475 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: else but staying training and focusing on that title. And 476 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: I think because she's done that, you've watched her. Girl 477 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: leaps and bounds in other areas in the game where 478 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: you typically wouldn't think that she would be successful. Her 479 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: grappling has become amazing. Her clinch work is next level 480 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: as well too, and she just keeps on adding these 481 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: little nuances that keeps on separating her from the pack. 482 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she has the takedowns now right. We 483 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: saw them a few times, especially in the fight with 484 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: and Jchack good sweeps, foot sweeps from the clinch. She 485 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: can get on top, she can do damage there. So 486 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: she's pretty interesting. So let's talk about her opponent in 487 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Jennifer Maya. Speaking of missing weight. This has happened to 488 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: her multiple times. So ask the same question, you think 489 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: she watches this one. I means the biggest opportunity of 490 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: your career. It doesn't happen that often, but I've seen 491 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: it happen. 492 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: You know, I hope that she don't watch it, but 493 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: I can see her watching it. 494 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: You know. 495 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: She she does carry a little bit of extra weight 496 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: around her, and it seems as like something that she's 497 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: been you know, trying to, you know, struggling with a 498 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: little bit but being able to get a hold of. 499 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: But you know, it would be very unfortunate. You know, 500 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: she wanted this title shot and you know, going back 501 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: home to Brazil. This it was it was icing on 502 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: the cake after beating Joey in Calderwood. So I'm sure 503 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: she's been looking at and anticipating this and just getting 504 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: her weight right. But I mean, she she's she's got 505 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: to work cut out for. Let's be honest, she's got 506 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: to work cut out for. 507 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you actually missed weight and then 508 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: you beat Valentina Chevchenko and the prizes, you have to 509 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: do it again. 510 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: Gosh. I think at that point you just say, you 511 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: know what, I'm good man, I'm good. All right. 512 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: But let's talk about her skills on the ground, because 513 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned Joan calder Word. She's legit. She has good 514 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: arm bars off of her back, she has a good guard. 515 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: In general, I feel like she has a pretty decent 516 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: ability to protect herself underneath risk control overhooks, puts her 517 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: feet on the hips, like has good mobility underneath. That 518 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: might be actually kind of important in certain segments of 519 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: the fight. 520 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: Anyway, I totally agree. I think that she's going to 521 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: have to be active on the ground, and that's one 522 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: thing that you know, you see a lot of girls 523 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: when they get taken down. Some are just not that 524 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: active as far as like making a threat or making 525 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: the person on top work consistently and making them the 526 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: person on top when they get they get on top, 527 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: they don't have just a chance to rest. You know, 528 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: they're working. So I like the way how busy she 529 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: is on the ground. But you know she can maybe 530 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: catch Shiftchenko in something if Shiftchenko gets a little bit sloppy, 531 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: but she's gonna be able to She's gonna have to 532 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: find that and transition find that in opportunities. But that 533 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: only comes when you get your body moving off the 534 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: ground when you're trying to go here, when you're trying 535 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: to go there. If she gets stuck and get playing 536 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: on the ground, then it's going to be a rough night. 537 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: For I don't ask this question normally, but I do 538 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: think it's at least worth asking in this case for Shad. 539 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Let's say you're cornering Jennifer Maya, she's three rounds down, 540 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: not getting beat up too badly, but just not making 541 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: anything happen. Fourth round, would you recommend for her getting 542 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: a clinch and pulling guard. 543 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, If I would, I would do that 544 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: just because I know that she has the ability to 545 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: try to create, to create things. You know, what she 546 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: did with what would call the wood, all those different transitions, 547 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: and you wouldn't really typically expect that from her because 548 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: with her shoot box background, you would think that she's 549 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: trying to go for the stand up, and she has 550 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: a very aggressive stand up as that as well. But 551 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: you know, her transitions on the ground can can be 552 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: some trouble, you know, and it can you know, for 553 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: her some opportunities to be in position to take advantage 554 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: of a Shuchenko. She gets herself in a vulnerable position. 555 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: But I think more important than what she's done on 556 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: the ground, she showed that she has that ability. I 557 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: think it's all what she does on her feet. 558 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about that. It's one question to 559 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: be like, well, what what what will happen? What won't happen. 560 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: Let's ask it a bit of a different way, which is, 561 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: what would you say is Jennifer Maya's principal task on 562 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: the feet? What does she have to do to maximize 563 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: her chance of success. 564 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: She's got to put that pressure on Valentina. She's got 565 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: to put a lot of pressure on Valentina and not 566 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: allow Valentina to have the space to create, not allowed 567 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: to have, you know, Valatina have the space to look 568 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: for a clean counter. I think she needs to make 569 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 2: it ugly. She needs to make Valentina fight and fight 570 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: from that place where you know she's And when I 571 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: say fight, it's different than just normally fight because when 572 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: I say fight, when you fight, there's there's a there's 573 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: a there's a there's a bit of wildness coming out, 574 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because you're fighting with emotion. 575 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: When when you fight, you fight with emotion, and when 576 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: you fight with the motion technique becomes a little bit unglued, 577 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: even though it shouldn't, but it does. She needs to 578 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 2: bring Valentina in that space where she has to fight. 579 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: And the only way you can make somebody fight is 580 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: get up in their personal space, make them feel uncomfortable, 581 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: make them get frustrated, and then you have a fight 582 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: on your hands. 583 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: How well do you think? I mean, we all know 584 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Schefchenko's really talented, but I guess what I'm saying is, Okay, 585 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: So you're you're cornering Chefchenko. You know Maya's going to pressure. 586 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: What should Schefschenko be doing turning angles? What exactly to 587 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: deal with that pressure? 588 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, like like you said, making angles. You know one 589 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: thing about Maya, she has a tendency to fall forward 590 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: with her punches. And when somebody has a tendency to 591 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: fall forward the punch is the best thing to do 592 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: is kind of move out of the way and let 593 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: them fall on their own sword. But before they fall 594 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: on the own sword, slide out the way, hit a 595 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: punch and transition, maybe an upper cut, maybe hooked something 596 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: they don't see, but make them have to at one point, 597 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: once you reset your feet, they're gonna have to reset 598 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: their feet in order to square. 599 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: Up with you. 600 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: And then that point you can take punches and you 601 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: can start to hit them. So I think if she's 602 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: gonna come forward with that blitzing style, hif Chenko has 603 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 2: to get angles, and more importantly, she has to use 604 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: a little bit of footwork. When somebody's coming to bring 605 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, you have to use your fans 606 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: and faints, your fakes and faints in order to freeze them. 607 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: If she freezes Maya, then she's gonna gain that leverage 608 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: to be able to land those countershots that she likes 609 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: to hit. 610 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, So with that in mind, let's 611 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: quickly go through the rest of this card. Obviously, the 612 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: main event is for the men's flywaight title, the co 613 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: main event for the women's flyway title. Those will both 614 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: be five round affairs. The rest of these are all 615 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: three round affairs, so let's go through them a little 616 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: bit more quickly. The first of them Rashad Mike Perry 617 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: taken on Tim Means. Boy, this is the hell of 618 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: a fight, huh. They got Mike Perry at minus one 619 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: forty Tim Means at about plus one twenty or so. 620 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: I sort of understand that, I mean, Tim Means is 621 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: one of these guys out of Albuquerque, you know. I 622 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: mean he's been fighting since you were fighting, like just 623 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: one of these old junkyard dogs. He can kind of 624 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: do it all right. Vicious elbows against Mike Perry, who 625 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: is one of these guys to me, who is just 626 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: a total natural born fighter, But I don't know if 627 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: he's honed that ability to the best extent. Seems like 628 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: he has a lot of issues outside of the cage 629 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: that he has to deal with. So it's to me 630 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of lanky, strategic guy, maybe 631 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of Miles on him versus younger but powerhouse, 632 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: but maybe somewhat unrefined. Do you see it in a 633 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: similar way. 634 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: I see an exact simon. I think you put it 635 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: crystal clear. I couldn't agree with you more. You know, 636 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: with Tim means he's he's he's very durable, like a 637 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: great fight IQ, but he's an older guy and he 638 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: has been in those wars and he can't take the punishment. 639 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: Uh that if Mike Perry, if he's clicking and he's 640 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: and he's functioning, he's he's he's there, he's not gonna 641 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: be able to take those punches that Mike Perry can deliver. 642 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: But at the same time, what Mike Perry are we getting, 643 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: you know, we're seeing Mike Perry that has been just 644 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: kind of spread thin, just on a personal aspect of 645 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: his life, and you know, who knows what's really going 646 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: on there and who knows how much of that he's 647 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: bringing in the octagon. And you know, as a fighter 648 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: who has brought things into the octagon, that is the 649 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 2: last thing. That's the last place you want to bring anything. 650 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: So if your mind is not on your fighting and 651 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: it's somewhere else, I don't care if the guy is 652 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: a can, you will lose that fight. So this fight 653 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: to me just hinges on. You know how clear Mike 654 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: Perry is. You know, he's got the great Litori in 655 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: his corner once again coaching him. So maybe he'll get 656 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: another W. But I mean, she's a pregnant Littori and 657 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: who knows what that is bringing to the equation Because 658 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: my wife pregnant and and pregnant women are hard to 659 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: do it. 660 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about it. I have my first kid. 661 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: I understand it about that too. If you had a 662 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: fighter who was telling you pregnant her otherwise, be like, yeah, 663 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my girlfriend in my corner. I just 664 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I want it to be that way. Now, granted he 665 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: was fighting Mickey Gaul, which she was I'm not gonna 666 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: say supposed to win but favored him. What would you 667 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: even say? Because it's one thing for me to be like, 668 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't know from the outside looking in, that's not 669 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: what the best fighters I know do. But you've been 670 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: in the locker room with these guys, Like, what would 671 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: you even say to somebody like that. 672 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: I'll tell me he's out of his mind? Straight up, 673 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell me he's out of his mind. I would, man, 674 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: I really would. And because here's the reality and the situation. Like, 675 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: you know, she she may be able to say this, this, 676 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: that and the other, but let's be honest, she's not. 677 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: She's in over her head when it comes to being 678 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: able to tell him things that he needs to do, 679 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: being able to understand what she's looking at and seeing, 680 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, and you need to have a coach who 681 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: can compute things really fast and deliver a message that 682 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 2: you need to hear from the outside looking in when 683 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: you're in that cage. And you know, I don't see 684 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: anything in Tori's background that that suggested me that she's 685 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: able to do that. I think what she does for 686 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: him is that she makes him feel good, and for him, 687 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: feeling good is more important than the information because he 688 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: from from the people that I know that corner them. 689 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't really listen to his corners anyways, So so 690 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: for him, he's kind of like, I just got the 691 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: ultimate support person in the corner with me. But here's 692 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: another thing, like you said in the beginning of all this, 693 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,239 Speaker 2: there's a level that he still is yet to hit. 694 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: He's a great fighter, he's going to you know, he's 695 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: bringing some entertainment fights. But I truly believe with Mike 696 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: Perry's power and sometimes with his fight acumen, I think 697 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: he could be a lot more than what he's allowed 698 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: himself to become. 699 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed, and plus with that natural toughness too. Where 700 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: they got his phase rearranged, Yeah, oh yeah, kind of like, yeah, 701 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. I mean, he's got a certain 702 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: wiring that is hard. 703 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: He's got that dog. That dog is hard to get out. 704 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: All right, So we go next at plus two hundred. 705 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: I guess this woman's flyweight as well. Caitlyn Chukegan, who 706 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: fought the champion, did not go so well. But of 707 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: course who could say, you know, it's a it's a 708 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: tough job taking on I guess the other sort of 709 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: top ish contender in this division Cynthia Calvi or Kelvi 710 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: Jo at minus two forty. This is interesting one. We 711 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: know what Chukegian's got, right, she has a bit of 712 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: a ground game. It would not be fair to say 713 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: she does it. We've seen some of it recently, but 714 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: really what she's known for is that Mark Henry you know, 715 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: stick and move jab kind of game. And Cynthia is 716 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a little bit different, right because she came in storming 717 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: the UFC off of back takes from you know, gator 718 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: roles and all kinds of other crazy stuff she was 719 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: doing and has tried to like round out her game. 720 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's made her a little less potent. 721 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you how do you size 722 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: these two? Upper shot? 723 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know Cynthia, you know, since 724 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: moving to Vegas, I got a chance to talk to 725 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: her and just you know about her train and what 726 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: she wanted to do, and you know, she she seems 727 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: to be in the mix of making that next transition 728 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: as far as like, you know, what we see out 729 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: of her. You know from what I've seen when I 730 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: was there in Vegas. You know, her her training was phenomenal. 731 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: Her understanding of what she was trying to achieve and 732 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: why she was trying to achieve it was phenomenal as 733 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: well too, So it seems like she's got the roadmap 734 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 2: down and it seems to me that she knows how 735 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: to fight her best style and knows what the division 736 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: is missing and knows how to be that person to 737 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: fill that in the division. And now being at one 738 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: twenty five, it allows her to grow into her full size, 739 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: her full strength without worrying about cutting weight. So I 740 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: think that's something else that adds to this next level 741 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: that we're seeing at one twenty five here from her. 742 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: In terms of the stand up, how do you get 743 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: around the jab of somebody like Chukegan, Well, you. 744 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: Make them jab you. You make them jab you, and 745 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: then you make them pay. But you make them pay 746 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: with fakes and fings. You make them pay by putting 747 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: them on the ground. You make them pay by giving 748 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: them nothing off of that jab. But you have to 749 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: move forward. You have to move forward. If if Cynthia 750 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 2: is a wrestler, a wrestler can't be on her heels. 751 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: A wrestler has to be moving forward because it's from 752 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: the forward pressure. With throwing my hands, I get you 753 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: to throw back or react in some kind of way 754 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: where you put your hands up and then the wrestler 755 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: is supposed to shoot underneath at that time. That's what 756 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 2: Cynthia has to do in her game. So if Kitlyn 757 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: is throwing that jab at her, she's gonna have to 758 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: slip it. She's gonna have to throw a punch when 759 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: she throws a punch and then go underneath. But there's 760 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: gonna have she's gonna have to make Caitlyn feel very 761 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: uncomfortable with throwing anything with her hands without at least 762 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: throwing the See, when you go it against a wrestler, 763 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: you almost have to do a fake or fake before 764 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: you throw in a punch because they're looking to anticipate 765 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: either going under or trying to make you miss so 766 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: they can get into a clinch situation. So you almost 767 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: have to shake it out just so you see how 768 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: they react and then you go what you intend to 769 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 2: and that's how you have more success on a wrestler. 770 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: And that's what Caitlyn has to do. 771 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: One last thing on this, and we'll talk about the 772 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: last fight. You had mentioned Cynthia had switched from Aka 773 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: to then into Vegas, and you obviously you know you 774 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: famously made a team switch. How long did it take 775 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: in making that switch down to South Florida before you 776 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: felt like you were getting the most out of the experience. 777 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: It took. It took a while, you know. But one 778 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: thing that helped me with my transition was the fact 779 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: that I didn't come to a team where I had 780 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 2: to adjust to a coach. I was there with Mike 781 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: van Arsdale, and Mike van Arsdale was my coach, and 782 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: we transitioned in that place together. It was more of 783 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 2: like a personal transition for me. And also when I 784 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 2: started working with some of the different Dutch kickboxers, they 785 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: had a different style of kickboxing that I've never done before, 786 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: So that took me a little little bit of adjusting 787 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: to do. But what you have to do in the 788 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: situations like that, it is like, you know what I 789 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 2: would do when I would go travel around to different camps. 790 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: You have to take what you want and just leave 791 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 2: some of the stuff behind. You're not going to be 792 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 2: able to implement everything, but you have to be able 793 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: to know enough of what's best for you as a 794 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: fighter in your fighting style. See a lot of fighters 795 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 2: who go to a different camp and get influence and 796 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: lose a step and not do what they used to do. 797 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: They they're searching for their fight identity, they're searching for 798 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: their true mastery at that level. But if you have 799 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: your true mastery at that level and you know where 800 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: your best at, then you know that you can just 801 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 2: add a little bit from here and there and that 802 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: would make the biggest difference. But but at the same time, 803 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: taken over and change your whole game. 804 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: Last, but not least a gentleman who we all know 805 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: quite well at plus one, Shogun Hua. Can you believe 806 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: he's still competing? 807 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: I mean, can you believe that he's thirty eight years old? 808 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 2: How is he only thirty eight years old? 809 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: Come on, you know, it's funny, like there are often 810 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: two arguments for why someone should retire, right. One is 811 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: if they you know, they can't take a punch anymore, 812 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: like they get hit with something. And then remember Chuckladelle 813 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: against like Rich Franklin, it was just you know, it 814 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: was just over right. You're like, okay, I mean, maybe 815 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: this is time to call it a day. But there's 816 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: a different kind where yes, you know, the miles have 817 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: added up, but they're still capable of beating good guys, 818 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: But you just wonder, like how much abuse is enough? 819 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: Man? 820 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: Showgun Hu has taken enough for the entire country of 821 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: Brazil and he's still going. I frankly don't know if 822 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: it's advisable for him to keep competing. But here he 823 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: is against Paul Craig, which is a rematch because they 824 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: had a draw before. First of all, I mean, what 825 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: can we even say about Shogun beyond this at thirty eight? 826 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: Who is he still? 827 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: You know, at thirty eight, Shogun is still very dangerous 828 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 2: because he has that switch, and that switch will bring 829 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 2: the dog out in him. And and once that dog 830 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: is ignited, he is He's insane. He's hard to stop. 831 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: But he's very chinty right now. He's not very he's 832 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 2: not a very busy fighter. He uh, you know, doesn't 833 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 2: physically have the ability to impose his will on a 834 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 2: physical basis. So he's still dangerous. But at the same time, 835 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: he's a very he's a very beatable fighter. But if 836 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: you go into this fight thinking it's going to be easy, 837 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: then you're gonna have a hard fight on your hands. 838 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: And I think Paul Craig figured that out the first time. 839 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: You know, you have showgun. He's an older guy, but 840 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 2: he's not finished. 841 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: He's not finished. Paul Craig is a weirdo. Huh. This 842 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: guy's amazing. I interviewed him. He's out of Scotland. How 843 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: many light heavyweights do you know where You're like, Okay, 844 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: what's he like? What is the way in which this 845 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: guy just wins fights? And the answer is the guard. 846 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say that hardly about anyone in 847 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: all of m m A much less at light heavyweight. 848 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: He is a bit of a unicorn. Huh. 849 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: He dang, sure is you know, it's really rare to see. 850 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a throwback in MMA when you 851 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: see a guy who does work like he does in 852 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 2: his guard so effectively. But it's one of those things, 853 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: like you know, when we see success with Mays because 854 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: someone has like a little nuanced that the rest of 855 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: everybody else hasn't figured out. What he's figured out is 856 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 2: something that people have forgotten about, the fact that you 857 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: can do great work off your back. And he does 858 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 2: that when guys get when he gets guys on top 859 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: of him, he makes them work, and a lot of 860 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 2: times guys are not ready for that work. They're not 861 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 2: expecting it, and they really don't understand, you know that 862 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 2: these transitions from the ground position is you know, really 863 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 2: going to get him out of there because you really 864 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 2: don't see it happen. And you're like, man, when I 865 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 2: see guy do the groundwork, I'm like, all right, I'm 866 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: gonna let him move around here. I'm gonna stay here 867 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 2: like this, but he's gonna get tired, and when I 868 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: get enough breath, I'm gonna bring it back up to 869 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 2: my feet. But with Paul Craig, that could be a mistake. 870 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: So what's the task for each guy here? On the 871 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: one hand, show who long in the tooth but still 872 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: can punch your lights out? And if you're Paul Craig, 873 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: yes your guard is good, but do you want to 874 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: rely on it again? So how would you advise each 875 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: of them to approach this strategically? 876 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 2: I would would tell Paul Craig to be the bigger fighter. 877 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 2: He's got he's got you know, the he's got a 878 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 2: frame on him that I think he can impose on Showgun. 879 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: He's you know, he's got that, he's strong, he's got 880 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 2: that wiry strength. Now with that strong, wiry strength, you 881 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 2: know he can put a lot of pressure on him, 882 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 2: but at the same time he can land some clean shots. 883 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: So I think that the game plan is simple for 884 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 2: Paul Craig. You know, be physical with Showgun in the clench, 885 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 2: but also at the same time use your reach, use 886 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 2: your jab to land those shots. Shogun has a hard 887 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 2: cover up. He blinds himself, so allow him to blind 888 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 2: himself a lot of fakes and fans to keep covering 889 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 2: himself up, and then go to town. I used to 890 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 2: love when a guy used to go like this because 891 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's great, he's already making himself 892 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 2: two or three steps behind. Utilize that a young showgun 893 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: can go like this and then he'll be able to 894 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 2: still find his rhythm and find you if he catches 895 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 2: you slipping. But an oldest showgun he can't blind himself 896 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 2: and then still find you. He blinds himself, you need 897 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 2: to go out for the finish. Now with Showgun, what 898 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 2: he needs to do is he needs to make it 899 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: a dogfight. He needs to go out there and just 900 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 2: get in Paul Craig's chest and let the wildness go, 901 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: because there he'll find Paul Kraig making a mistake and 902 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 2: that's when his experience can take over fair. 903 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 1: Enough, although you have. At ten pm in the East 904 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: is when UFC two fifty five gets going at the 905 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: UFC Apex facility. Of course that's to be the main card, 906 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: but before that, I think you have a prelim card, 907 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: that even a fight pass card. Before that, Rashad always 908 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: good to catch up with. You really appreciate your picks 909 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: and we'll do this again. But until then, enjoy the fights, 910 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: my friend. 911 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 2: All right, my man, take care