WEBVTT - One Foot in the Grave

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<v Speaker 1>One foot in the grave. It's one more thing. I'm so.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand you're going to interview me on the topic

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<v Speaker 2>of my milestone birthday, just so I can get prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a style in mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to be like Scott Pelly, slow talking

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<v Speaker 2>and making me repeat everything? You gonna make me cry

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<v Speaker 2>like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie Rose

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<v Speaker 2>approach in mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Katie?

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<v Speaker 3>Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have

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<v Speaker 3>basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm turning the same age, so we are in the

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<v Speaker 3>same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now

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<v Speaker 3>when we turned sixty. That doesn't seem possible.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible.

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<v Speaker 1>No, particularly even the hatred of each other that we share.

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<v Speaker 3>Just from a time standpoint, the one thing that you

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<v Speaker 3>can't you can't. This is gonna be one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things I want to ask you about. Okay, Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just ask you instead of giving an answer first. That

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<v Speaker 3>would be a dumb way to interview innovative got a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of questions. Okay, what does sixty feel like compared

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<v Speaker 3>to what you thought it would feel like when you

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<v Speaker 3>were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I

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<v Speaker 2>thought when I was thirty, well, or any any point

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<v Speaker 2>when you're.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I see your point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think fairly similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been particular and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either it would.

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<v Speaker 3>Be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one, who would

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<v Speaker 3>be enthusiastic about aging?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the formative aspects of my life is that

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been a golf freak. And even when I

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<v Speaker 2>was thirty five, I played golf with guys who were

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<v Speaker 2>seventy who were having fun and good players, and we'd

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of drinks afterward and a hoot, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I saw. I don't know if you'd call them

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<v Speaker 2>role models exactly, but I didn't fear that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a thought, Katie before I jump in, Oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the exact opposite. I've always assumed like when I

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<v Speaker 3>was in my twenties, I assumed there's no way anybody

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<v Speaker 3>over the age of thirty was having fun. And I

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<v Speaker 3>felt that way by my whole life. I thought, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way you're having fun in your forties. Fifty year

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<v Speaker 3>olds aren't having fun. Certainly, nobody's gonna have fun in

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<v Speaker 3>their sixties. And if they're like smiling and laughing, like

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<v Speaker 3>you say, you see people they just don't remember what

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<v Speaker 3>fun was. This is as good as it gets for them,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're not actually having fun. If there's one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I'd tell younger me, well, maybe that's the question I

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<v Speaker 3>want to ask. If you could tell thirty year old you,

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<v Speaker 3>forty year old you, whatever, twenty five year old something,

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<v Speaker 3>what would it be?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question. Does

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<v Speaker 2>this like include? Do you tell yourself don't quibble so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a waste of time. It could be so quibblesome

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<v Speaker 2>people don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wisdom or.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just stick with wisdom for now because I will

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I asked that question, and I can picture

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<v Speaker 2>it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my

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<v Speaker 2>brain right now. It was around and Gladys Dn't Bother

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>when the talk show had just started, because we realized

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<v Speaker 2>we had no future in music radio.

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<v Speaker 1>We were doing a talk show between the records, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was stupid, but.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxix

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<v Speaker 2>fifty kst and of the forty five rated RATEEO stations

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<v Speaker 2>in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over

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<v Speaker 2>the morning show, and it was taking longer than we

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<v Speaker 2>had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have you ever on a station or a show, Katie,

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<v Speaker 3>with no listeners, but I have you can say to

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<v Speaker 3>your listeners, tell your friends to tune in. But they

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<v Speaker 3>got no friends, they aren't listening. There's nobody to tell anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel that's my soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay

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<v Speaker 2>to get started in talk radio. And I had three

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<v Speaker 2>little kids, including a baby, and I was so stressed

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<v Speaker 2>and so concerned that I was not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>successful in the one field I had chosen.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know. This is not some sort of dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>humble brag, but I was one of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those kids who people would say, he has so much potential, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do this, or you could do that, And

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<v Speaker 2>here I was going to be a dead ender who

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't support his family.

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<v Speaker 1>Miserable amounts of stress. Oh. I dealt with it the

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<v Speaker 1>best I could. So, I mean, if I could just

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<v Speaker 1>whisper in my young ear, it's can work out okay that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna blubb her.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been enormously helpful. But wisdom wise, stay

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<v Speaker 2>out of the shun. Yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the sunscreen thing. Take that seriously, dip shit. Show videos

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<v Speaker 2>of uh. I'd show videos to myself. Look at this,

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<v Speaker 2>and young me would say, what is that device you're holding.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't worry about it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this video of a dermatologist cutting a chunk out

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<v Speaker 2>of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I'd say, what's what's your point? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing this? I'd say, be careful with the sun. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It would probably be you know, it would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>parenting advice. You know, you never get You'll never regret

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<v Speaker 2>being patient. If you got to bring the hammer down,

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<v Speaker 2>you can bring it down in an hour. Take a while,

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<v Speaker 2>calm down and think about what's the smart thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an older parent like me, your tea is

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<v Speaker 1>so low you can't really get worked up about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, don't let me take off my supplier hose and

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<v Speaker 2>hit you with him son.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, make me. I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to run off, I couldn't catch them. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you come back here if you'd like. Eh.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole perspective on time thing, the way it changes

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<v Speaker 3>when you get older, it's just impossible. There's no point

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<v Speaker 3>in trying to explain it to somebody who's younger. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>could have. I'm sure somebody tried to explain it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, whatever, old man, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can believe it, but you can't relate to it.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that no five years goes by in the

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<v Speaker 1>blink of an eye. You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I know my kids in this.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got a particular reason to feel like this because

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<v Speaker 3>I was an older parent. So when I was a

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<v Speaker 3>kid was a really long time. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>have kids in your twenties, like you, you're only talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a twenty year gap in now and when you

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<v Speaker 3>were a kid. For me, it's you know, nearly a

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<v Speaker 3>forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes, so they

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<v Speaker 3>can they really have good ammunition for what you know

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<v Speaker 3>about what high schools like is completely irrelevant to me,

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not. I look around their high school, I

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<v Speaker 3>see the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, really, just you know, clothes are actually exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 3>They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in high school. But so much of it is

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can't convince young people that you have like

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<v Speaker 3>really any understanding of their what they're going through.

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<v Speaker 2>And between most of my child raising in yours was

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<v Speaker 2>the giant you know. It's like the ADBC dividing line

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<v Speaker 2>of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But the you know, but the wanting to have a

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff is just yeah, it doesn't seem any different.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the but I just I remember hearing years

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<v Speaker 3>ago we did a big show and we turned forty, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is freaking twenty years ago. I can't believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty,

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<v Speaker 3>and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was ancient wisdom, but just.

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<v Speaker 1>People.

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<v Speaker 3>You can tell people you know how this is going

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<v Speaker 3>to turn out or what your experience is shown, They're

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<v Speaker 3>still going to do it their way and find out

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's way more true than not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's it was very little of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to go through that has not been true.

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<v Speaker 2>But you do have to confront it on your own

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<v Speaker 2>and deal with it on your own, and and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's fine, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just to backtrack for one second. By standards, did

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<v Speaker 4>you have older, younger parents.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, Very typical. My mom was twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>so twenty three or twenty four when she had my

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<v Speaker 2>sister than me a year later, and then in her

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<v Speaker 2>early thirties when she had her last kid, my little brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it was practically everybody back in the day so.

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<v Speaker 4>Young, ifh because I was thinking about your outlook on

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<v Speaker 4>life and not really being worried about aging, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was thinking my parents are older her standards about same

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<v Speaker 4>with Jack and his kids, almost forty years, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that kind of made it so I do. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them in

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<v Speaker 4>their older years and they're having a blast and everything's good.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe I was wondering if I contributed, but

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<v Speaker 4>you had young parents, would have.

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<v Speaker 3>To would be like similar to your story about being

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<v Speaker 3>around golfers. But if you're around your parents and you

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<v Speaker 3>see them in their sixties or seventies and doing stuff right,

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To think I would think, yeah, and oh go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say in a weird way

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<v Speaker 2>when I was having those excruciating back problems, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say this with great sympathy to people have ongoing back problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine are much much better through a combination of never

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<v Speaker 2>ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so miserable the last six months of being

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<v Speaker 2>like fifty eight, in the first six months of being

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine, and I feel so much better now. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I've deaged five years. So the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that's correct, but I feel really good. But you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>my recent standards.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood

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<v Speaker 3>out of young homeless people and they put it in

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<v Speaker 3>your right.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all homeless.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them have volunteers, but most of them are

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<v Speaker 3>homeless because they need the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Training the blood of the young and injecting it into

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<v Speaker 2>my greedy veins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you. If I could

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<v Speaker 1>get that going, man, I would you have a question, Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it wasn't about this though.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just thinking about the training the blood of

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<v Speaker 3>the homelessness, nothing about this.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just thinking about what Joe said. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you guys started in two thousand and that's when I started.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was gonna tell Katie that the show show

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<v Speaker 5>you how low they thought of the radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>They used to tell me that, wouldn't you like to

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<v Speaker 5>come work on some other show or whatever? And I

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<v Speaker 5>refused to do it because I believed in this show.

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<v Speaker 5>I really did, and it drove them nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>They hated me for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah about us them, Yeah, the bosses were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're pretty good talented, which Michael is obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you should come work over here at a

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<v Speaker 1>real radio station. Michael could call on not it was

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<v Speaker 1>a great call. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking it

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<v Speaker 2>off the air to save the electricity and so they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have to bother employee employing nice people who are

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<v Speaker 2>trying hard, but we weren't getting anywhere. It's like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not worth the trouble. Why don't we just shut that

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<v Speaker 2>radio station off? And it took several years, but what

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<v Speaker 2>was it, four or five years later we were number

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<v Speaker 2>one in the market and have been a good bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the time ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 5>And Katie, you know the thing that management would tell me, huh,

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<v Speaker 5>don't hit sounds, don't hit these clips. I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>we set up the call and they set up a

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<v Speaker 5>topic that was the really bag.

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<v Speaker 2>They really tried to make us do old school talk

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<v Speaker 2>radio and you weren't having it.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>They called us in and said look, you're gonna keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing it like that, well you sink or swim, all right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta do it on your own.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a better sect or where you got that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like good, that's what we've been wanting.

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<v Speaker 3>One more thing on the birthday thing, to wrap this

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<v Speaker 3>up so you can get on with your birthday and

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<v Speaker 3>start boozing or eating cake or whatever it is you

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<v Speaker 3>do on your birthdays. Reading booze cake. You have never

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<v Speaker 3>been a milestone guy like birthday, New Year's that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to a fault. Yeah, I keep thinking I should

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<v Speaker 2>be more. I am the way the other end of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I do remember from building up to turning thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>turning forty, turning fifty for me, the build up and

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<v Speaker 3>then the moment I turned the age, it just disappears.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like, what was that all about?

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<v Speaker 2>That's well, speaking of trading wisdom back and forth, you

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<v Speaker 2>have convinced me completely that New Year's resolutions, which absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>have value, but if you're serious about doing something or

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<v Speaker 2>quitting something, don't wait for a particular date, do it

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<v Speaker 2>now or whatever. And so a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>because I was thinking as you were talking about that earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, yeah, I need to sit down and say,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, what do I want to dedicate myself to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the new start at age sixty blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm already doing those things.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's a good idea. And you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>you got one foot in the grave and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have that much time.

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<v Speaker 1>Less, it's talk TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>But to the like milestone, you know thing, do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember what you were doing on your fortieth birthday? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you remember what you did on your fortieth birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>We had a hellacious party. You remember that in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember that. Yeah. It was Oh it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Great barbecue and rock and roll, and my dog got

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<v Speaker 2>drunk off the keg next morning. You're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>let your dog do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But look up, some bitch. Do you remember your fiftieth birthday? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Not offhand?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So there's an example of because like, I can

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<v Speaker 3>remember where I was was with when I turned thirty, forty, fifty,

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<v Speaker 3>even twenty five, which was my first Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting older.

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<v Speaker 1>What did I do on my fiftieth.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's probably one of those It fell on

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<v Speaker 2>a funky day of the week, and so it was

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<v Speaker 2>daylight today. I just worked and then we had some

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<v Speaker 2>big wingeding on the weekend or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I don't really recall.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell about my fortieth birthday in one

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<v Speaker 3>of the podcasts next week because it's quite a story

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<v Speaker 3>tied into sobriety, because that was the last major birthday

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<v Speaker 3>where I was still drinking. My fiftieth birthday, I was

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of chemotherapy, and I was flat on

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<v Speaker 3>my back and sick as a dog and turning fifty

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<v Speaker 3>and alone in the bedroom, and I was quite miserable

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<v Speaker 3>in thinking, this is really a low point for turning fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going well. Right, Well, you're right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, cool, So what are you gonna do today,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically today on your sixty birthday?

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<v Speaker 2>I got to work out with the guy my trainer

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<v Speaker 2>essentially keeps the you know, the physical thing going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Then spaghetti and meat Paul's for dinner, which is my

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<v Speaker 2>childhood birthday dinner, and I still and then I spent

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<v Speaker 2>time with my daughter and my son.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. Your kids are yeah, yeah, kid number three,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember their names. She was the third one,

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<v Speaker 1>she have no name. She girl is actively she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Busy at law school and will join us on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>So that'll be a true wing ding, and then that'll

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<v Speaker 2>be the big fast.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. Well, happy birthday? Any chance? Happy birthday?

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<v Speaker 3>Any chance we're recording a podcast like this when we

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<v Speaker 3>both turned seventy, Surely this is the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to find me, call me and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>remember me? We worked together for forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Joe, what did you do for your sixtieth birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>What'd you say? I don't know, I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not superstitious at all, but I've got this

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<v Speaker 2>thing about making any pronouncement about what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>years from now.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those if God is willing things, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel weird saying it, which is irrational, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Shock me that we're still doing something like this. Then

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<v Speaker 2>if God will.

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<v Speaker 1>It, we're still sucking wind. Oh you'll still be alive

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<v Speaker 1>when you're seventy. Come on, I don't know. Ask the

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<v Speaker 1>city bus that didn't see me in time? You don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>How about you look both ways? Yeah, that's all you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do. Joe.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some great deals on walking tubs. The new models

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<v Speaker 5>are coming in. Well, I guess that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an old wives tale. That's funny.