1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: One foot in the grave. It's one more thing. I'm so. 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: I understand you're going to interview me on the topic 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: of my milestone birthday, just so I can get prepared. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a style in mind? 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: Are you going to be like Scott Pelly, slow talking 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: and making me repeat everything? You gonna make me cry 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie Rose 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: approach in mind? 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Katie? 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: I'm turning the same age, so we are in the 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty, 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: when we turned sixty. That doesn't seem possible. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible. 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: No, particularly even the hatred of each other that we share. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 3: Just from a time standpoint, the one thing that you 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: can't you can't. This is gonna be one of the 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: things I want to ask you about. Okay, Well, I'll 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: just ask you instead of giving an answer first. That 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: would be a dumb way to interview innovative got a 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: couple of questions. Okay, what does sixty feel like compared 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: to what you thought it would feel like when you 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever. 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: thought when I was thirty, well, or any any point 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: when you're. 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: No, I see your point. 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think fairly similar. 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: been particular and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either it would. 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: Be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one, who would 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,919 Speaker 3: be enthusiastic about aging? 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I think. 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: One of the formative aspects of my life is that 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: I've always been a golf freak. And even when I 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: was thirty five, I played golf with guys who were 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: seventy who were having fun and good players, and we'd 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: have a couple of drinks afterward and a hoot, and 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: so I saw. I don't know if you'd call them 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: role models exactly, but I didn't fear that. 45 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: You have a thought, Katie before I jump in, Oh, no, 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm listening. 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: I'm the exact opposite. I've always assumed like when I 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: was in my twenties, I assumed there's no way anybody 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: over the age of thirty was having fun. And I 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: felt that way by my whole life. I thought, there's 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: no way you're having fun in your forties. Fifty year 52 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 3: olds aren't having fun. Certainly, nobody's gonna have fun in 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: their sixties. And if they're like smiling and laughing, like 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: you say, you see people they just don't remember what 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: fun was. This is as good as it gets for them, 56 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: but they're not actually having fun. If there's one thing 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: I'd tell younger me, well, maybe that's the question I 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: want to ask. If you could tell thirty year old you, 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: forty year old you, whatever, twenty five year old something, 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: what would it be? 61 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: Now? 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question. Does 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: this like include? Do you tell yourself don't quibble so much. 64 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: It's a waste of time. It could be so quibblesome 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: people don't like it. 66 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Wisdom or. 67 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: I'll just stick with wisdom for now because I will 68 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: the reason I asked that question, and I can picture 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: brain right now. It was around and Gladys Dn't Bother 71 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one, 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: when the talk show had just started, because we realized 73 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: we had no future in music radio. 74 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: We were doing a talk show between the records, and 75 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: it was stupid, but. 76 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxix 77 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: fifty kst and of the forty five rated RATEEO stations 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: the morning show, and it was taking longer than we 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: of it. Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time. 82 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: I don't have you ever on a station or a show, Katie, 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: with no listeners, but I have you can say to 84 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: your listeners, tell your friends to tune in. But they 85 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: got no friends, they aren't listening. There's nobody to tell anybody. 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: I feel that's my soul. 87 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: to get started in talk radio. And I had three 90 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: little kids, including a baby, and I was so stressed 91 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: and so concerned that I was not going to be 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: successful in the one field I had chosen. 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: And you know. This is not some sort of dumb, 94 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: humble brag, but I was one of. 95 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: Those kids who people would say, he has so much potential, Oh, 96 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: you could do this, or you could do that, And 97 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: here I was going to be a dead ender who 98 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: couldn't support his family. 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: Miserable amounts of stress. Oh. I dealt with it the 100 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: best I could. So, I mean, if I could just 101 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: whisper in my young ear, it's can work out okay that? 102 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna blubb her. 103 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: That would have been enormously helpful. But wisdom wise, stay 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: out of the shun. Yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah, Hey, 105 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 2: the sunscreen thing. Take that seriously, dip shit. Show videos 106 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: of uh. I'd show videos to myself. Look at this, 107 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: and young me would say, what is that device you're holding. 108 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't worry about it anyway. 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: Watch this video of a dermatologist cutting a chunk out 110 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: of you. 111 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Oh god, I'd say, what's what's your point? Why are 112 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: you doing this? I'd say, be careful with the sun. Anyway. 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: It would probably be you know, it would probably be 114 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: parenting advice. You know, you never get You'll never regret 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: being patient. If you got to bring the hammer down, 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: you can bring it down in an hour. Take a while, 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: calm down and think about what's the smart thing to do. 118 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards. 119 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: If you're an older parent like me, your tea is 120 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: so low you can't really get worked up about anything. 121 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: Right, don't let me take off my supplier hose and 122 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: hit you with him son. 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: And you know, make me. I don't know if they 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: decided to run off, I couldn't catch them. So yeah, 125 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: you come back here if you'd like. Eh. 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: The whole perspective on time thing, the way it changes 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: when you get older, it's just impossible. There's no point 128 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: in trying to explain it to somebody who's younger. Nobody 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: could have. I'm sure somebody tried to explain it to me. 130 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: I was like, whatever, old man, Well. 131 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: And you can believe it, but you can't relate to it. 132 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: The idea that no five years goes by in the 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: blink of an eye. You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, right, 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I know my kids in this. 135 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: They've got a particular reason to feel like this because 136 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: I was an older parent. So when I was a 137 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: kid was a really long time. You know, if you 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: have kids in your twenties, like you, you're only talking 139 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: about a twenty year gap in now and when you 140 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: were a kid. For me, it's you know, nearly a 141 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes, so they 142 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: can they really have good ammunition for what you know 143 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: about what high schools like is completely irrelevant to me, 144 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: But it's not. I look around their high school, I 145 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: see the stuff. 146 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: It's the same. 147 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: Thing, really, just you know, clothes are actually exactly the same. 148 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I. 149 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Was in high school. But so much of it is 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: the same. 151 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: But you can't convince young people that you have like 152 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: really any understanding of their what they're going through. 153 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: And between most of my child raising in yours was 154 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: the giant you know. It's like the ADBC dividing line 155 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything. 156 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: But the you know, but the wanting to have a 157 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that 158 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: sort of stuff is just yeah, it doesn't seem any different. 159 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: I get the but I just I remember hearing years 160 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: ago we did a big show and we turned forty, which. 161 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: Is freaking twenty years ago. I can't believe that. 162 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty, 163 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think 164 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: it was ancient wisdom, but just. 165 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: People. 166 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: You can tell people you know how this is going 167 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: to turn out or what your experience is shown, They're 168 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: still going to do it their way and find out 169 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems 170 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions, 171 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: but it's way more true than not true. 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's it was very little of the. 173 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and 174 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: what you're going to go through that has not been true. 175 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: But you do have to confront it on your own 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: and deal with it on your own, and and it's 177 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: it's it's fine, you know. 178 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: It's just to backtrack for one second. By standards, did 179 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 4: you have older, younger parents. 180 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: At the time, Very typical. My mom was twenty four, 181 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: so twenty three or twenty four when she had my 182 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: sister than me a year later, and then in her 183 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: early thirties when she had her last kid, my little brother. 184 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Now it was practically everybody back in the day so. 185 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 4: Young, ifh because I was thinking about your outlook on 186 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: life and not really being worried about aging, and I 187 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: was thinking my parents are older her standards about same 188 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 4: with Jack and his kids, almost forty years, and I 189 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 4: think that kind of made it so I do. I'm 190 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them in 191 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: their older years and they're having a blast and everything's good. 192 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: You know, maybe I was wondering if I contributed, but 193 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: you had young parents, would have. 194 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: To would be like similar to your story about being 195 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: around golfers. But if you're around your parents and you 196 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: see them in their sixties or seventies and doing stuff right, 197 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: I have. 198 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: To think I would think, yeah, and oh go. 199 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: I was just going to say in a weird way 200 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: when I was having those excruciating back problems, and I'd 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: say this with great sympathy to people have ongoing back problems. 202 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: Mine are much much better through a combination of never 203 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that sort of thing. 204 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: I was so miserable the last six months of being 205 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: like fifty eight, in the first six months of being 206 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: fifty nine, and I feel so much better now. I 207 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: feel like I've deaged five years. So the idea that 208 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally. I know 209 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: that's correct, but I feel really good. But you're doing 210 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: my recent standards. 211 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood 212 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: out of young homeless people and they put it in 213 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: your right. 214 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Not all homeless. 215 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: Some of them have volunteers, but most of them are 216 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: homeless because they need the money. 217 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: Training the blood of the young and injecting it into 218 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: my greedy veins. 219 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you. If I could 220 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: get that going, man, I would you have a question, Michael. 221 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 5: No, it wasn't about this though. 222 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about the training the blood of 223 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: the homelessness, nothing about this. 224 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 5: I was just thinking about what Joe said. You know, 225 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 5: you guys started in two thousand and that's when I started. 226 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: And I was gonna tell Katie that the show show 227 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 5: you how low they thought of the radio station. 228 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 229 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 5: They used to tell me that, wouldn't you like to 230 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 5: come work on some other show or whatever? And I 231 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: refused to do it because I believed in this show. 232 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: I really did, and it drove them nuts. 233 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: They hated me for that. 234 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah about us them, Yeah, the bosses were like, you know, 235 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: you're pretty good talented, which Michael is obviously. 236 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: You know you should come work over here at a 237 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: real radio station. Michael could call on not it was 238 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: a great call. Yeah. 239 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had a 240 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking it 241 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: off the air to save the electricity and so they 242 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to bother employee employing nice people who are 243 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: trying hard, but we weren't getting anywhere. It's like, this is 244 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: not worth the trouble. Why don't we just shut that 245 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: radio station off? And it took several years, but what 246 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: was it, four or five years later we were number 247 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: one in the market and have been a good bit 248 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: of the time ever since. 249 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart. 250 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: And Katie, you know the thing that management would tell me, huh, 251 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 5: don't hit sounds, don't hit these clips. I don't think 252 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 5: we set up the call and they set up a 253 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: topic that was the really bag. 254 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: They really tried to make us do old school talk 255 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: radio and you weren't having it. 256 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 5: Wow. 257 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: They called us in and said look, you're gonna keep 258 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: doing it like that, well you sink or swim, all right, Yeah, 259 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: you gotta do it on your own. 260 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: You have a better sect or where you got that. 261 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: We're like good, that's what we've been wanting. 262 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: One more thing on the birthday thing, to wrap this 263 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: up so you can get on with your birthday and 264 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: start boozing or eating cake or whatever it is you 265 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: do on your birthdays. Reading booze cake. You have never 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: been a milestone guy like birthday, New Year's that sort 267 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 3: of thing. 268 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Like to a fault. Yeah, I keep thinking I should 269 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: be more. I am the way the other end of it. 270 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do remember from building up to turning thirty, 271 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: turning forty, turning fifty for me, the build up and 272 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: then the moment I turned the age, it just disappears. 273 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: It's just like, what was that all about? 274 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: That's well, speaking of trading wisdom back and forth, you 275 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: have convinced me completely that New Year's resolutions, which absolutely 276 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: have value, but if you're serious about doing something or 277 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: quitting something, don't wait for a particular date, do it 278 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: now or whatever. And so a lot of things that 279 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: because I was thinking as you were talking about that earlier, 280 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: I was thinking, yeah, I need to sit down and say, 281 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: all right, what do I want to dedicate myself to, 282 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: you know, the new start at age sixty blah blah blah. 283 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: But I'm already doing those things. 284 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a good idea. And you know, because 285 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 3: you got one foot in the grave and you don't 286 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: have that much time. 287 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: Less, it's talk TikTok. 288 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: But to the like milestone, you know thing, do you 289 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: remember what you were doing on your fortieth birthday? Do 290 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: you remember what you did on your fortieth birthday? 291 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 292 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: We had a hellacious party. You remember that in my backyard. 293 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yeah. It was Oh it was. 294 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: Great barbecue and rock and roll, and my dog got 295 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: drunk off the keg next morning. You're not supposed to 296 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: let your dog do that. 297 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: But look up, some bitch. Do you remember your fiftieth birthday? No? 298 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Not offhand? 299 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: Okay, So there's an example of because like, I can 300 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: remember where I was was with when I turned thirty, forty, fifty, 301 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: even twenty five, which was my first Oh my god, 302 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: I'm getting older. 303 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: What did I do on my fiftieth. 304 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: You know, it's probably one of those It fell on 305 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: a funky day of the week, and so it was 306 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: daylight today. I just worked and then we had some 307 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: big wingeding on the weekend or something like that. 308 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: But no, I don't really recall. 309 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell about my fortieth birthday in one 310 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: of the podcasts next week because it's quite a story 311 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: tied into sobriety, because that was the last major birthday 312 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: where I was still drinking. My fiftieth birthday, I was 313 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: in the middle of chemotherapy, and I was flat on 314 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: my back and sick as a dog and turning fifty 315 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: and alone in the bedroom, and I was quite miserable 316 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: in thinking, this is really a low point for turning fifty. 317 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: This is not going well. Right, Well, you're right, yeah. 318 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: I was like, cool, So what are you gonna do today, 319 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: specifically today on your sixty birthday? 320 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: I got to work out with the guy my trainer 321 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: essentially keeps the you know, the physical thing going on. 322 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: Then spaghetti and meat Paul's for dinner, which is my 323 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: childhood birthday dinner, and I still and then I spent 324 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: time with my daughter and my son. 325 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: That's cool. Your kids are yeah, yeah, kid number three, 326 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't remember their names. She was the third one, 327 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: she have no name. She girl is actively she's. 328 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: Busy at law school and will join us on the weekend, 329 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: So that'll be a true wing ding, and then that'll 330 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: be the big fast. 331 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: There you go. Well, happy birthday? Any chance? Happy birthday? 332 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: Any chance we're recording a podcast like this when we 333 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: both turned seventy, Surely this is the last one. 334 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to find me, call me and say, hey, 335 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: remember me? We worked together for forty years. 336 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Hey Joe, what did you do for your sixtieth birthday? 337 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: What'd you say? I don't know, I am. 338 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: I am not superstitious at all, but I've got this 339 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: thing about making any pronouncement about what's going to happen 340 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: years from now. 341 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Interesting. 342 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: It's one of those if God is willing things, I don't. 343 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: I just feel weird saying it, which is irrational, but. 344 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: I get it. 345 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: Shock me that we're still doing something like this. Then 346 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: if God will. 347 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: It, we're still sucking wind. Oh you'll still be alive 348 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: when you're seventy. Come on, I don't know. Ask the 349 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: city bus that didn't see me in time? You don't know? 350 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: How about you look both ways? Yeah, that's all you 351 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: gotta do. Joe. 352 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: There's some great deals on walking tubs. The new models 353 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 5: are coming in. Well, I guess that's it. 354 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: That's an old wives tale. That's funny.