Speaker 1: These are, in most cases the fathers of my grandchildren.
Speaker 1: I love these men and that love doesn't go away
Speaker 1: when we experience really challenging times with them.
Speaker 2: Chris Jenna, Welcome to on Purpose.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come
Speaker 1: before me to get the lay of the land, and well,
Speaker 1: you know, we love you dearly. I'm such a huge fan.
Speaker 1: Love listening to the podcast, love listening to anytime I
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to see you online giving a motivational
Speaker 1: speech or you know, different things that you do. It's
Speaker 1: so inspirational to me, and I know how much my
Speaker 1: girls love you, so I had to come see for
Speaker 1: myself what was going on over here.
Speaker 2: Well, as I was saying, Chris, you and your family
Speaker 2: have been so gracious and kind to me from day one.
Speaker 2: I am remember the early days of Chloe sharing something
Speaker 2: that I'd done in twenty nineteen, or Kendall was starting
Speaker 2: to follow me and then connect thing and then Kim
Speaker 2: has just been amazing over the last couple of years
Speaker 2: and finally getting to meet you. And I want to
Speaker 2: start with this because I remember when I came over
Speaker 2: for dinner, uh huh, and everyone afterwards like what was
Speaker 2: it like in a Chris's house for dinner and like,
Speaker 2: And I was like, and it was me, you and Kendall,
Speaker 2: And I said to everyone, I was like, I felt
Speaker 2: like I was at my friend's mom's house. I was like,
Speaker 2: all you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough,
Speaker 2: hr was well fed and taken care of. And I
Speaker 2: was so touched by just that amazing energy that you
Speaker 2: have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome.
Speaker 2: And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party
Speaker 2: or an event or one of our mutual friend's birthdays
Speaker 2: that we were just at, I always just feel so
Speaker 2: happy when we're talking. So thank you so much, truly,
Speaker 2: it means the world.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you for having me. It really means
Speaker 1: the world to me. And I really enjoyed that night
Speaker 1: because I got to know you a little bit more
Speaker 1: on a personal level and just heard about what you
Speaker 1: were all about, what your intentions are with people, and
Speaker 1: how you want to help people and bring people together.
Speaker 1: And in a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in
Speaker 1: the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems, I
Speaker 1: think for us to have that beacon of someone we
Speaker 1: can look up to to say, hold on, you know,
Speaker 1: let's look at this a different way and try to
Speaker 1: find something peaceful in all of it. And so for
Speaker 1: that I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I want to get to know the
Speaker 2: Chris oh boy that I believe we forget existed because
Speaker 2: today we live in a world where we're so preoccupied
Speaker 2: with what everyone does today we forget how they became
Speaker 2: and how they were creating. I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 2: what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel
Speaker 2: defines who you are today.
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, a childhood memory, Well, I think you know.
Speaker 1: Growing up, I just I was really raised by my
Speaker 1: mom and my grandmother and two really strong business women
Speaker 1: who worked and showed me that how powerful that can be,
Speaker 1: just not just out there in the world to show others,
Speaker 1: but for yourself, like how to beat somebody that you
Speaker 1: were really proud of, but also provided for their families
Speaker 1: and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring,
Speaker 1: you know, loving moms, but also you know, you know,
Speaker 1: working women who really were of a different generation. You know,
Speaker 1: when my mom was very young, when she was in
Speaker 1: her twenties, she had me when she was twenty. My
Speaker 1: grandmother was forty, and you know, I was just born,
Speaker 1: and so there's always been a twenty year age difference,
Speaker 1: and then of course forty years with my grandmother. And
Speaker 1: they taught me that working and having a career was
Speaker 1: just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that
Speaker 1: meant so much to me because they were such an inspiration.
Speaker 1: And my mom also showed me what it was like
Speaker 1: to you know, get dressed up every day. She loved fashion,
Speaker 1: she loved this is how you want to present yourself
Speaker 1: to the world every day, Like how do you want
Speaker 1: to look when you go to third grade, you know,
Speaker 1: or even Junior.
Speaker 3: I or high school.
Speaker 1: And it really was something when I look back on
Speaker 1: it now, I'm so proud of those two women who
Speaker 1: raised me because they showed me what it's like to
Speaker 1: you know, have a career and how to take care
Speaker 1: of a home, and what it was like to be married,
Speaker 1: what it was like to have children. And I know,
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen years old, I really realized That's
Speaker 1: when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids.
Speaker 1: And I actually had the number six in my I
Speaker 1: had at that very early age.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Really, uh, huh.
Speaker 1: I used to think I'm going to have six kids,
Speaker 1: and then when I ended up getting divorced and I
Speaker 1: had four kids, I thought, boy was I off a
Speaker 1: couple of kids, And then I ended up having two more.
Speaker 1: But growing up with the family I grew up with,
Speaker 1: I felt, I do feel so blessed to have had
Speaker 1: a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood, and I
Speaker 1: think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And
Speaker 1: I talked to my mom, who's ninety one, about it
Speaker 1: all the time. I think I always thank her for
Speaker 1: all the sacrifices and working late, and sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: she wasn't necessarily you know, at home when I got
Speaker 1: home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of
Speaker 1: the oven and making me, you know, a roast beef dinner.
Speaker 1: But she was there working her ass off, you know,
Speaker 1: for me and my sister and for that. And then
Speaker 1: my grandmother, you know, lived across the street, so my
Speaker 1: grandmother was doing all the grandma things, and so it
Speaker 1: really gave me a good sense of family unity, closeness.
Speaker 1: You know, it fed my spirituality because I went to
Speaker 1: church every Sunday and was you know, had you know,
Speaker 1: communion and all the things that you do as a
Speaker 1: young girl whose mom is taking them to church every
Speaker 1: Sunday and teaching you all the things. And it was
Speaker 1: a huge part of my life, that childhood of just
Speaker 1: being not only I had so many friends and went
Speaker 1: to public school which was down the street. My mom's
Speaker 1: priority when I was a child was always moved next
Speaker 1: to the school because you can walk to school, So
Speaker 1: we were walking to school, not a care in the world.
Speaker 1: We had no seatbelts in the cars, driving around in
Speaker 1: the back of my mom's My mom had a convertible
Speaker 1: tea bird when I was a little girl, and throw
Speaker 1: us in the back on a shelf and we'd be
Speaker 1: bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same
Speaker 1: thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly when I had them,
Speaker 1: and Chloe and then Robert. Everyone in the back of
Speaker 1: the station wagon, no seatbelts, just fifteen kids in the
Speaker 1: back section, shoved together like sardines, taking everybody everywhere. So
Speaker 1: so many memories of things that were so different from
Speaker 1: I remember my first color TV, when and where I
Speaker 1: lived in what house I could like imagine what corner
Speaker 1: of the room it was in, and how exciting that
Speaker 1: was so, you know, I can also remember getting my
Speaker 1: first iPhone, you know, I mean, talk about bizarre. You know,
Speaker 1: the contrast of the two.
Speaker 2: Did you those brick phones, the really big.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nineteen ninety nineteen, nineteen ninety one, and you'd
Speaker 1: make a call. You thought you were so cool cruising
Speaker 1: down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know,
Speaker 1: and there was no rules on. You could talk to anybody,
Speaker 1: you could talk on the phone while you were driving,
Speaker 1: you could eat a burger while you were driving to
Speaker 1: on the street. It's amazing all the different changes culturally,
Speaker 1: you know, and just personally, just all the different chapters
Speaker 1: I've had in my life. It's like every single one
Speaker 1: is so clear. But if you take it like the first,
Speaker 1: you know, one through ten, ten through twenty twenty through thirty,
Speaker 1: and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge,
Speaker 1: magical things that have happened in each chapter. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the way I look at it now. At
Speaker 1: my age, you know, you have so much perspective, and
Speaker 1: it changes from decade to decade, So I consider myself
Speaker 1: really lucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, it's incredible hearing about it, because I love
Speaker 2: that your mother and your grandmother were just such big
Speaker 2: influences and role models in your life. What what did
Speaker 2: they do? What were they doing at the time.
Speaker 1: My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a
Speaker 1: candle store called the Candle Ober in La Joya, California,
Speaker 1: and my mom opened another candle store nearby under Gararge Street.
Speaker 1: And they were entrepreneurs. And they got up every morning
Speaker 1: at five o'clock and they had a routine and they
Speaker 1: had structure, and they had their coffee and had breakfast
Speaker 1: and got dressed like to the nines, you know, like gorgeous,
Speaker 1: went to work, worked all day were so you know,
Speaker 1: it's very satisfying to in the day with a full
Speaker 1: day's work under your belt. You feel like you've really
Speaker 1: accomplished something. And I knew that feeling because I lived
Speaker 1: it my whole life, so it was kind of embedded
Speaker 1: in me that I too couldn't wait to have a
Speaker 1: career or start working. I mean, my first job was
Speaker 1: I worked in my grandmother's candle store and I was
Speaker 1: the gift drapper and I would be I was twelve
Speaker 1: years old, and I love to go to work with
Speaker 1: my grandmother and my mom, but I was at my
Speaker 1: grandmother's store, and she'd put me in the back room
Speaker 1: and she taught me how to gift, drap and make bows,
Speaker 1: and I was the best gift I could possibly be,
Speaker 1: and I made the most beautiful bows in my mind,
Speaker 1: on the planet. And she taught me then, no matter
Speaker 1: what you do, you do the best job you can
Speaker 1: possibly do. If she was the one who I had
Speaker 1: to brush my teeth for some reason a lot when
Speaker 1: I was young, every time I had anything to eat,
Speaker 1: brush your teeth, brush your teeth. But she had this
Speaker 1: rule that if you brush your teeth at my grandmother's house,
Speaker 1: then you had to clean the sink with like comet
Speaker 1: or ajax or one of those crazy things. And I
Speaker 1: would scrub that sink like it was like my only
Speaker 1: you know, polish, polish polish, and she would sit there
Speaker 1: and say, you have the most beautiful hands, and you
Speaker 1: have She would just give me these the most sweetest
Speaker 1: compliments about and then said you you are really the
Speaker 1: best sink washer in the family. And I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: you know. So it gave me confidence that if you
Speaker 1: really you know, she taught taught me that no matter
Speaker 1: how big or small the job, just do the best
Speaker 1: you can and you'll be praised for it. And that
Speaker 1: just instilled something in me. Yeah, and then of course
Speaker 1: I tortured my own children wash the sink the best.
Speaker 1: You know, they're like their eyes.
Speaker 2: As you's not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm the best sink scrubbery you'll ever see?
Speaker 2: Do you still wrap Christmas presents? Presents every all day?
Speaker 1: I wrapped one this morning before I came here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't do a bow because it was a different
Speaker 1: kind of a package. But I think my kids really
Speaker 1: we have a big contest during the holidays and at Christmas,
Speaker 1: it's like who's got the best wrapping paper? But we
Speaker 1: don't tell each other what gift drop we're doing. We
Speaker 1: like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas
Speaker 1: morning and all the kids' gifts are dropped off at
Speaker 1: my house and we all have a section like you
Speaker 1: know of there and so we know, oh, these are
Speaker 1: all Kym's gifts because they're wrapped like. Well, She's stopped
Speaker 1: by my house last year because she wanted to check
Speaker 1: out how her gifts looked, to make sure they were
Speaker 1: positioned perfectly right. I'm like, oh Lord, So she comes
Speaker 1: by and little did I know she whips out her
Speaker 1: phone and she starts doing like it was either a
Speaker 1: live or something on Instagram, and she shows the entire
Speaker 1: world all of our packages. So now all the sisters
Speaker 1: and everybody knew and.
Speaker 2: What you're yeah, yeah, so she gave it away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then yeah.
Speaker 1: So these are just all the pranks. I think we
Speaker 1: play on each other, you know, constantly, all day long.
Speaker 2: So Kim was trying to expose you, that was I think.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I think she was being you know, she was being cute.
Speaker 1: She's always so great.
Speaker 2: I love it. I remember, I remember when we were
Speaker 2: speaking when I came over. You're talking about you being
Speaker 2: an air hostess, as you're one of your own.
Speaker 1: It was a flight attendant, flight attendant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went from the candle store and I learned so
Speaker 1: much there. And then I worked at the donut shop
Speaker 1: by my house in University City in San Diego, and
Speaker 1: I would take my job was to get there before
Speaker 1: school and before I had to get on the bus
Speaker 1: to go to high school or junior high school, I guess,
Speaker 1: and I would take a scraper and scrape the glaze
Speaker 1: off of the floor that the donuts, you know, when
Speaker 1: they were glazing the donuts. There would be this glaze
Speaker 1: all over the floor, and I would scrape the glaze
Speaker 1: off of the floor. And that was my job every
Speaker 1: morning before school. And I then worked at my mom's
Speaker 1: store again, and then I applied to be a flight
Speaker 1: attendant for American Airlines and that was an amazing job.
Speaker 1: But looking back on that, I learned so much from
Speaker 1: that job. So every single thing I did, I learned
Speaker 1: enormous organizational skills and people's skills and social intelligence, and
Speaker 1: you know, some other skills like how to pour a
Speaker 1: great cup of coffee and how to you know, serve
Speaker 1: people and how to interact with people and personal service
Speaker 1: business is incredibly demanding, you know. And now I look
Speaker 1: at all of the people in that kind of a
Speaker 1: business a different way and have so much respect for
Speaker 1: that kind of a career. But I learned a lot
Speaker 1: along the way of how to deal with people. And
Speaker 1: I think that working from a young age and continuing
Speaker 1: up to this day, I learned a thing or two
Speaker 1: about so many different things that you wouldn't think would
Speaker 1: apply to later in life. Tell me some of this,
Speaker 1: you know, well, just I mean organizational skills for one,
Speaker 1: and how to keep calendars and how to be on time,
Speaker 1: and how to be fifteen minutes early, and how to
Speaker 1: negotiate and how to get what you think you want
Speaker 1: or deserve from an employer. I know, one of my
Speaker 1: things I talk about is if somebody says, no, you're
Speaker 1: talking to the wrong person. And I learned that if
Speaker 1: I got a know from these three people in ski scheduling,
Speaker 1: for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to
Speaker 1: another person and you know, try my best charm. You
Speaker 1: know that I could possibly think of, you know, of
Speaker 1: what were all the reasons why I should fly this
Speaker 1: flight to get to la you know, to see who
Speaker 1: I wanted to see. And you just hone different life
Speaker 1: skills at the different things you do at a young age,
Speaker 1: especially in the workforce, and it's really amazing. You never
Speaker 1: quite know what or where life is going to lead
Speaker 1: you and where it's going to be. The best lesson
Speaker 1: you ever learned. And that's what just to expect nothing
Speaker 1: but breathe in everything. Like just like I was, so
Speaker 1: I was like a sponge and I think I just
Speaker 1: had to surrender to the process, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was just like I knew instinctively I'm
Speaker 1: on a learning journey, and I'm going to get the
Speaker 1: most out of these experiences that I possibly could. At
Speaker 1: the time, and I knew that. I really did know
Speaker 1: that intelligently and in the moment, and I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I just knew I had to pay attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's such an important lesson in what
Speaker 2: you're saying for everyone who's listening. I feel like we've
Speaker 2: done a disservice to a lot of young people today
Speaker 2: where we believe it's all about finding the perfect job
Speaker 2: or launching the perfect company, right, And actually, from your experience,
Speaker 2: what you're saying is I learned a lot from the
Speaker 2: candle store. I learned a lot from scrapetas floors. I
Speaker 2: learned a lot from being a flight attendant. It's like
Speaker 2: each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect
Speaker 2: job or your ideal life, there were really valuable lessons
Speaker 2: that have made you the powerful, incredible.
Speaker 1: It developed who I am and was at that time
Speaker 1: and then came to be all through each decade. And
Speaker 1: the more I, you know, went through life and was
Speaker 1: knocked down or brought up or had you know, experiences
Speaker 1: and had these things that I went through, I think
Speaker 1: added to. But I also believe that everything happens for
Speaker 1: a reason. I'm very spiritual. I pray about everything before
Speaker 1: I do it, and I learned that a lot about
Speaker 1: that from a very young age, and it just really
Speaker 1: has helped me through so many great times and so many,
Speaker 1: you know, challenging times. But I also think that I
Speaker 1: come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what people don't always experience daily.
Speaker 1: I think it's been a learning experience for me. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'm grateful. Of course I have gratitude for everything that
Speaker 1: my life is, this beautiful life with my beautiful family,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't ask for more. But to really be
Speaker 1: conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on
Speaker 1: for the last few years and try to be more
Speaker 1: present because we can be so easily distracted, and everybody's
Speaker 1: going so fast, and I feel like everybody needs to
Speaker 1: slow down, you know, it's so fast. And I see
Speaker 1: the younger generation, but I think the younger one then
Speaker 1: the next one down from Kindle and Kylie. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what they're called anymore.
Speaker 4: Gen Z and gen Alpha Okay, Alpha, yeah, Alpha, I
Speaker 4: guess it's alpha, right right, I think the gen alpha.
Speaker 4: It's like I wish you could just slow down and
Speaker 4: experience and be in the moment a little bit more,
Speaker 4: because I always struggled with that. I always onto the
Speaker 4: next something to look forward to. That distractions are everywhere,
Speaker 4: and so then you don't feel what you're living through
Speaker 4: or going through. And we're so busy taking photos of
Speaker 4: it or videos of it, we don't sit and feel
Speaker 4: it or enjoy it. I remember I went to the
Speaker 4: sphere the other night and it was a Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, I want to see that.
Speaker 1: It's really good. And I was there with my girlfriend
Speaker 1: and I now, mind you, I was ten years old
Speaker 1: or nine years something when at the first time I
Speaker 1: saw the Wizard of Oz and or that I remembered
Speaker 1: it and enjoyed it. And I've seen it one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand times, so I didn't need to video anything. I
Speaker 1: knew what the movie was about, Like what am I doing?
Speaker 1: And I caught myself and I why am I filming
Speaker 1: this whole thing? Like I want to sit and experience it.
Speaker 1: And that's just a good example of how I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of us go through life is trying
Speaker 1: to capture the moment when we can just slow down
Speaker 1: and feel the moment, you know. And that's what I
Speaker 1: want for me and my family because we do get
Speaker 1: very distracted and it goes by so quickly in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what when you're my you want
Speaker 1: to scream that from the top of a mountain. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody slow down and enjoy every second, because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's gone, and you know, everybody has to
Speaker 1: figure it out for themselves. But that I wish, you know,
Speaker 1: because I've had all these different decades to compare it
Speaker 1: to and have a different perspective every so often every
Speaker 1: few years. That's one of my notes to note to self.
Speaker 1: Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by
Speaker 1: the noise. Yeah, this is a lot of noise.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, And anytime I've ever done this, and I
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Speaker 2: last year and I was actually teaching this meditation. I
Speaker 2: can close my eyes today and be back in that
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think somebody of my age has
Speaker 1: a different perspective because I spent you know, when I
Speaker 1: was twenty two years old, I got married and twenty
Speaker 1: three had Courtney, and you know the rest is history.
Speaker 1: But there were no cell phones, there wasn't a computer.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a laptop, there wasn't an iPad, there wasn't
Speaker 1: music on a little box. There wasn't If you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to
Speaker 1: walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And
Speaker 1: if you wanted to know what was at the movies,
Speaker 1: you dialed a number like whatever it was, and you
Speaker 1: found out what was playing at the movies. And if
Speaker 1: you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed.
Speaker 1: I think it was five five five one two one two,
Speaker 1: And if that's right, I will be so excited about
Speaker 1: my memory. But it was, you know, a different time,
Speaker 1: and today, with so many things that just supply instant gratification,
Speaker 1: it's extremely seductive, and I think that it's it's something
Speaker 1: like I think about it all the time, and I think,
Speaker 1: what a different world, but yet such progress, such amazing.
Speaker 1: The world we live in is wild and amazing. I
Speaker 1: mean when I was a young girl, a little girl,
Speaker 1: I used to watch the Jetsons kind of remember that,
Speaker 1: and it was sort of intimating that by the year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, we would be flying in cars around the city.
Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on
Speaker 1: the road anymore. And so you know, we're almost there. Yeah, almost,
Speaker 1: but it you know, we used to imagine this modern
Speaker 1: world and here we are. So it's very exciting. But
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen next. I mean,
Speaker 1: I worry a little bit. I worry a lot about
Speaker 1: my grandchildren and social media. That scares me a bit
Speaker 1: because it can be so dark, and I really want
Speaker 1: them to have the best parts of anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: in life, there's good and bad, but in this case,
Speaker 1: you know, I worry about that. I just want them
Speaker 1: to and I think their moms, you know, all my
Speaker 1: kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time
Speaker 1: and all of that. But it's different, it's a different place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of noise.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. You're approaching your seventieth birthday. Yeah, just so exciting.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And what an incredible molestone. What's this chapter of your
Speaker 2: life called? If you can name it, what would it
Speaker 2: be called?
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, the best, the best chapter. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be here and to really have this beautiful family
Speaker 1: and just enjoy the ride because, like I said, just
Speaker 1: to be present at this time and place. I did
Speaker 1: learn a lot from my family from my grandmother and
Speaker 1: my mom, who both worked and said they were in
Speaker 1: their eighties and I saw.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeahble.
Speaker 1: And my mom often says she retired when she was
Speaker 1: eighty two, and she often says that really kept her
Speaker 1: so purposeful. And we all want to find that life
Speaker 1: of purpose, but for her, it gave her a great
Speaker 1: purpose and it gave her great joy, and she was
Speaker 1: so satisfied with the work she did every day and
Speaker 1: got to you know, I think when somebody has structure
Speaker 1: and has a schedule and has something to look forward
Speaker 1: to and has something like that in their life and
Speaker 1: feels needed and wanted, useful and useful, and that's a
Speaker 1: very good feeling. And I think that's that's the road
Speaker 1: I'm going to go down. I just want to, you know, be.
Speaker 3: Never never, No.
Speaker 1: I love what I do, and I often say this
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing
Speaker 1: what we do together, because you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that have, you know, a job
Speaker 1: in entertainment or in the media or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and they have a big career and they do it
Speaker 1: by themselves, and they're the only one in their family
Speaker 1: who has that kind of a career, that kind of
Speaker 1: a job, and I thought how lonely it would be
Speaker 1: if there is just one of us. It would be
Speaker 1: so hard, And so I feel super blessed that I
Speaker 1: have this incredibly fabulous family and all this love and support,
Speaker 1: and it makes it really a very sweet life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a special achievement to have that. How have you?
Speaker 2: You know? One thing I've noticed spending time with all
Speaker 2: of you and having as I said earlier, Kim, Chloe
Speaker 2: and Kendall have all sat in this chair preparing it
Speaker 2: for you. There's there's such a love between everyone and
Speaker 2: the family, and of course there's the fun of the
Speaker 2: what's the right word, the fun of the teasing each
Speaker 2: other and the bandage. But at the core of it,
Speaker 2: it's it's so evident that there's love and it's real
Speaker 2: and it's and it's and it's genuine. How do you
Speaker 2: create a family in which competition isn't a negative thing
Speaker 2: and growth is everyone's focus, Because I think what we
Speaker 2: see across the world is, you know, you have six children,
Speaker 2: but it's like people may have two and then you
Speaker 2: have one person who really ambitious and driven and one
Speaker 2: person who just wants to eide away. Whereas you've got
Speaker 2: a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways.
Speaker 2: They all have their own fascinations, their own passions, and
Speaker 2: they're pursuing it to the best their ability, which is
Speaker 2: such a beautiful thing to see. How how do you
Speaker 2: create that energy? What does that require?
Speaker 1: I think, first of all, when they were very young,
Speaker 1: I think they learned so much from the examples set
Speaker 1: by their dad or just myself in different areas, their stepdad,
Speaker 1: their family, their friends, and we've always had a huge
Speaker 1: group of family friends, and I think they watch and
Speaker 1: had great examples set before them. But I think that
Speaker 1: one of my biggest and strongest desires in my path
Speaker 1: to the success that they've had is just really helping
Speaker 1: them along the way identify what was really important to them.
Speaker 1: And they were passionate about and we threw a lot
Speaker 1: of spaghetti at the wall. Believe me, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: But when they finally found their destiny, their passion, the
Speaker 1: opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace
Speaker 1: and were so happy about, you just feel when something's right,
Speaker 1: and that makes me really happy. Every time I felt
Speaker 1: like somebody found their their their thing, you know, their
Speaker 1: their passion was was that strong that they were able
Speaker 1: to really make this something they wanted to focus on.
Speaker 1: And the determination, the energy they put into it, their
Speaker 1: work ethic is second to none. And they would get
Speaker 1: up with this you know passion every day, you know,
Speaker 1: getting up at five and you know, getting into the
Speaker 1: gym and taking care of their health and their well
Speaker 1: being and then at the same time having kids, raising children,
Speaker 1: getting to work. You know, it's just they all have
Speaker 1: such focus and determination, but they also have great structure.
Speaker 1: They're organized, and then they learn how to find their
Speaker 1: peace at the same time, which I think is really important.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that Courtney's really good at that,
Speaker 1: and she's taught the rest of us, you know, like
Speaker 1: wait a second, you know there's you've got to you know,
Speaker 1: find the peace and all of it too and protect
Speaker 1: your soul. Yeah, you know, so that's been really really important.
Speaker 1: I think it's just working together, encouraging one another, and
Speaker 1: when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that
Speaker 1: person's success, no matter how it comes. And it could
Speaker 1: be the smallest little you know, not everything moves a needle,
Speaker 1: and it can be the smallest little wind and we
Speaker 1: get really happy for each other. Like last night when
Speaker 1: I was blonde. All of my kids this morning were screaming, Mom,
Speaker 1: and then Kim goes, did you dye your hair? And
Speaker 1: I said, yes, of course I didn't dye my hair,
Speaker 1: but I had her going for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We were trying to figure out this morning when
Speaker 2: they were going to get blonde hair of that care.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's fun to work together. It's fun to you know,
Speaker 1: go through challenges together. It's awful to go through really
Speaker 1: bad times together, but we're together, so it's important, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, when we get to celebrate each other
Speaker 1: over the smallest things or the biggest things. I think
Speaker 1: the kids are just happy for each other and there
Speaker 1: really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud, you know.
Speaker 1: And they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them
Speaker 1: or when something needs to be said. Don't you worry.
Speaker 1: They're there, my loudest voice at times in my head.
Speaker 1: But we all I think we're just all happy for
Speaker 1: one another, and we know we're doing this together. And
Speaker 1: somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect.
Speaker 1: I feel like it is good for everyone, and you know,
Speaker 1: especially business wise, but it's just really good for all
Speaker 1: of us personally because we get to see each other
Speaker 1: grow and thrive and evolve and elevate different things, like
Speaker 1: we'll get notes to each other. Okay, well this was great,
Speaker 1: but if you only did this, it would be so
Speaker 1: much better. So everybody you know is a backseat driver, yeah,
Speaker 1: or what do you call it? Sideline quarterback? Yeah, everybody's
Speaker 1: weighing in on everybody else's stuff. So it's fun. It
Speaker 1: makes it a we're our own little you know we
Speaker 1: have I have thirteen grandchildren. Imagine that's a lot of humans,
Speaker 1: and we have an amazing little, you know bubble that
Speaker 1: we live in and that we are so dedicated to
Speaker 1: one another and very loyal and looking for that piece
Speaker 1: that we can surround ourselves with when we can with
Speaker 1: family time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to acknowledge how how hard it
Speaker 2: is to do that.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to be able to create a non competitive,
Speaker 2: non envious, non jealous family space system. I think it's
Speaker 2: it's not easy. Yeah, whether it's happened naturally because of
Speaker 2: all these great values, or whether it's happened through hardship,
Speaker 2: it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever
Speaker 2: have is it's lovely.
Speaker 1: It really is lovely, and I'm so proud of them
Speaker 1: for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble or
Speaker 1: somebody you know needs help with anything, everyone is right
Speaker 1: there to jump in and make it okay. And it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you know, they're very, very loyal and
Speaker 1: very protective, and they surround each other with a lot
Speaker 1: of love, and the fact that they're also amazing parents
Speaker 1: is the biggest gift. I watch them as my son
Speaker 1: has a daughter, and everyone except for Kendalls, you know,
Speaker 1: has a son or a daughter or both, and they're
Speaker 1: amazing parents. And I often sit and tell them. I'll
Speaker 1: sit and watch Kylie or Chloe, all of them, Kim
Speaker 1: Rob Courtney, but I watch them with their kids and
Speaker 1: I just take it all in and I say, God,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have been this good as a
Speaker 1: parent with you, because I feel like they take it
Speaker 1: to another level. I've never seen anything so amazing, literally
Speaker 1: in my life. I talk to my mom about it
Speaker 1: all the time. I go, can you believe the way
Speaker 1: they do this and that and the other, And my
Speaker 1: mom and I are in awe of what great parents
Speaker 1: they are, and I think they are. You know, people
Speaker 1: ask me all the time, how do we keep our
Speaker 1: kids as close or how do I? And I think
Speaker 1: it's just the time you spend and what you focus
Speaker 1: on and the way that you, you know, spend time with
Speaker 1: your kids and and show them that you're never going
Speaker 1: to you know, I didn't have kids to on their
Speaker 1: eighteenth birthday kick them out of the house. My girlfriend
Speaker 1: used to say, you're too nice. You know, you're not
Speaker 1: their friend, you're their mother. And I looked at her
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, no, I'm their friend because they're
Speaker 1: going to be eighteen one day and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be left out of this big, beautiful life that
Speaker 1: you know that I want to have with them.
Speaker 2: How do you love someone that you don't agree with?
Speaker 2: How do you love someone that you have got something
Speaker 2: with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm
Speaker 2: saying this because I've had private conversations with you where
Speaker 2: you've talked to me about these things and I'm r
Speaker 2: gown away by it. Right, So I'm like, how do
Speaker 2: you love someone even when something hasn't worked out the
Speaker 2: way you wanted to? Right? Because I know it's deep
Speaker 2: for you. That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you start with communication, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where you have to start to really feel and understand. Cry.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but
Speaker 5: I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay, Okay,
Speaker 5: is there a tissue you guys? I don't know why
Speaker 5: that hits so hard, But I think communication, I think
Speaker 5: compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be
Speaker 5: going through, even though you don't agree with them. If
Speaker 5: you once love them, then love is love, you know.
Speaker 5: And I always fall in love with people, and then
Speaker 5: if they disappoint you it Sorry, I don't know why
Speaker 5: I'm crying. See what I said, It's right there under
Speaker 5: the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think
Speaker 5: communication is I pre communication, And I think if if
Speaker 5: somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try
Speaker 5: to say no, no, no, you just don't understand. You know,
Speaker 5: this didn't happen like this and they really didn't mean
Speaker 5: it like this, or you know. I'm always the one
Speaker 5: who tries and communicates that.
Speaker 1: But I think, God, what's wrong with me? But I
Speaker 1: also think that compassion. If you don't have an open
Speaker 1: heart and you're stuck with trying to understand someone, you
Speaker 1: will be lost forever until you can try and see
Speaker 1: and forgive. And I think if people can't come from
Speaker 1: a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be open to understanding what's someone else
Speaker 1: is truly all about. And why I stand up for
Speaker 1: people who are the underdog. At times it makes me
Speaker 1: really sad that they're the underdog. And I feel like
Speaker 1: some people get really misunderstood, and I think that we
Speaker 1: all need to stand up for each other, especially when
Speaker 1: we need it the most. And that comes from a conversation.
Speaker 1: It comes from a communication, It comes from a compassion,
Speaker 1: and it comes from forgiveness. And if you can't learn
Speaker 1: to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions,
Speaker 1: you know, I think my kids tell me all the time,
Speaker 1: I'm a very forgiving person, like a mom. It's wild
Speaker 1: You're just like this person treated you this way or
Speaker 1: that way, or you experience this with this person, and
Speaker 1: I try to see where it came from, what is
Speaker 1: the root of this, why are they acting this way?
Speaker 1: And then again, if I can't change it. I can't
Speaker 1: control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions, right,
Speaker 1: you can't control other people. So you know you have
Speaker 1: to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it,
Speaker 1: help communicate it, and forgive it. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how else. That's how I live my life.
Speaker 1: And if somebody, you know, a lot of people are
Speaker 1: struggling and there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: You know, it's.
Speaker 6: Sorry, you just need a second, I'm sorry, Okay. So
Speaker 6: there are a lot of people out there who struggle
Speaker 6: with their mental health and we don't know some times
Speaker 6: with the differences because we're not inside their brain or
Speaker 6: their body. So who are we to say, you know
Speaker 6: that somebody's not really struggling sick, you know, having a
Speaker 6: hard time, And there's so much of that and not
Speaker 6: really immediate answers and help for everybody. You know, when
Speaker 6: you can't figure it out, sometimes you think how does
Speaker 6: everybody deal with this?
Speaker 1: You know? So that's I don't know. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of compassion for people that are in a family
Speaker 1: where there's mental health issues. It makes me really sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something definitely trying to support and help, and
Speaker 2: I'm glad you need to here, because it's.
Speaker 1: Oh, it makes me. I mean I sometimes I you know,
Speaker 1: hear about people or you know, hear about what somebody's
Speaker 1: going through and I literally don't even know them, and
Speaker 1: I'm in tears and it just breaks my heart because
Speaker 1: of the situation right now that we're in, and I
Speaker 1: think we make it worse for one another, you know,
Speaker 1: the criticism, the negativity online and the struggle that a
Speaker 1: lot of people have and the amount of suicide for
Speaker 1: young people. Yeah, I mean it's truly heartbreaking, and I
Speaker 1: hear stories and it just really is so upsetting and
Speaker 1: that it you know, I struggle with that in my
Speaker 1: heart because I just wish there was more that we
Speaker 1: all could do just to love each other and be
Speaker 1: there for each other, and maybe there was a way
Speaker 1: that we could help in a bigger way.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It's very confusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we just I literally just had the head
Speaker 2: of suicide from Harvard on the show. Really yeah, I
Speaker 2: just interviewed him maybe a month ago, oh wow show,
Speaker 2: and it was so illuminating to hear just how much
Speaker 2: help people when mental health or thoughts are even seeking.
Speaker 2: But even in that yeah, just how like how hard
Speaker 2: is and how heavy it is, and I think heavy.
Speaker 1: So it's heavy in my heart and I don't have
Speaker 1: an immediate you know, child or family member that's struggling
Speaker 1: with that at the moment, and I think about it
Speaker 1: for some reason a great deal as if you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some way to There's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: a lot of issues that I right now I'm in
Speaker 1: the process of focusing on and getting more information on.
Speaker 1: One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's. And that's why
Speaker 1: I love doctor Amon so much because he's such an educator, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but the mental health thing is very confusing to me
Speaker 1: because it's so I don't feel like my in the
Speaker 1: chapter I'm in in my life right now that I've
Speaker 1: ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and struggling,
Speaker 1: And yeah, is it probably because our communication is enhanced
Speaker 1: with being able to see it all on the internet
Speaker 1: and you know all of that. But it's still a lot,
Speaker 1: and it does get very heavy and it heavy in
Speaker 1: my heart. It does.
Speaker 2: I'm not definitely offline about that to see, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's I feel the same way. It is why I
Speaker 2: invited Matthew Knock from Harvard and I'm so so glad
Speaker 2: because because I couldn't agree with you more. I was
Speaker 2: just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people.
Speaker 2: And he told me that his friend committed suicide, even
Speaker 2: when he knew his friend was the head of no. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're studying that like so, and he said, I just
Speaker 2: didn't know, like we just didn't know. No one knew,
Speaker 2: no one knows, no one knows.
Speaker 1: And that's what the the tragic part of it is.
Speaker 1: And there's been so many times when I mean even
Speaker 1: you know, parents of my you know, kids, friends or
Speaker 1: you know, there's always one degree of separation, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, every single person has something like that or
Speaker 1: they know about it, they've heard about it a close
Speaker 1: friend happened or right in their own family, and it's devastating.
Speaker 1: I know people that have lost people close to them
Speaker 1: and there's just no closure there for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But how they get to that place is really a struggle. Boy,
Speaker 1: Can we talk about something happy? How did we get here?
Speaker 1: I'm crying, I'm hysterical, a mess. Let's talk about disney
Speaker 1: Land or something.
Speaker 2: Are you a disney fan?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's the happiest place or not.
Speaker 1: It is definitely is. I went last week with Courtney
Speaker 1: our Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted
Speaker 1: Mansion because they just opened it for Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: go to Disney. I work for Disney. I want to
Speaker 1: be white. Yeah, all of it.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I'm excited to go to the
Speaker 2: Epic Universe and Universal. Oh yes, they just opened they
Speaker 2: opened it with the new Harry Potter World and all
Speaker 2: the rest.
Speaker 1: Wait, is that Disney.
Speaker 2: That's universe a university. This is not. It's theme park world.
Speaker 1: That's your that's your thing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Have you been to the Star Wars ride Disneylands?
Speaker 2: So good? Yeah, it's insane, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: So oh there you go. See we have something else
Speaker 1: in common?
Speaker 3: We do?
Speaker 2: We do? I am, I'm completely I've completely drank the
Speaker 2: kool aid on Disney.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: Is the happiest place.
Speaker 1: Every day, happiest place on earth?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Chris.
Speaker 2: When we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by
Speaker 2: how you've When you keep talking about family, I think
Speaker 2: people think, oh, yeah, they're six kids, right, But to you,
Speaker 2: the family is even your kids' exes.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, partners, Yes, people.
Speaker 2: Like it grows. Even if one of your children has
Speaker 2: been through something really difficult with their partner or an
Speaker 2: ex partner, you still love them as part of the
Speaker 2: unit and the family. I do, and that is incredible.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about how you expand that radius of
Speaker 2: care and love.
Speaker 1: First of all, I believe in my heart and in
Speaker 1: my soul love is love. And I fall in love
Speaker 1: with people and have lives and years spent with their
Speaker 1: partners or their boyfriends or their husbands, and have all
Speaker 1: these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and celebrations and
Speaker 1: birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears,
Speaker 1: the babies. These are in most cases the fathers of
Speaker 1: my grandchildren. And I love these men, and that love
Speaker 1: doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't turn off like that for me. And
Speaker 1: I think that goes back to communication, compassion, forgiveness, and
Speaker 1: moving through that so you can get to a place
Speaker 1: where they know they can always come to me. Every
Speaker 1: one of my kids' exes know that they have an
Speaker 1: open door, and I think that's how I was with
Speaker 1: my kids when they were little and I got a
Speaker 1: divorce and I got married to Bruce, and when that happened,
Speaker 1: Robert knew that he come walking in that back. It
Speaker 1: took a couple of years, but it was what I
Speaker 1: had learned from people that were in my life in
Speaker 1: previous years. I saw the co parenting skills that other couples,
Speaker 1: two couples in particular, But these two couples handled their
Speaker 1: experience of how they loved their kids. It was all
Speaker 1: about the kids. Because if you sit and berate your
Speaker 1: partner over and over and over again to the kids
Speaker 1: or your ex partner, your ex boyfriend, your ex husband,
Speaker 1: you know it's their dad or it's their stepdad, or
Speaker 1: that you can't do that. It really creates so much
Speaker 1: damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. The children
Speaker 1: don't know how to process that kind of It's a grief,
Speaker 1: it's a separation. So my goal with my children was
Speaker 1: always their dad comes for Christmas morning, and we spend
Speaker 1: New Year's together and birthdays and celebrations. Robert Kardashian came
Speaker 1: to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays and he was there
Speaker 1: for every celebration, and they called him uncle Robert. And
Speaker 1: he walked through that back door whenever he wanted, knowing
Speaker 1: there would be dinner on the table at six o'clock
Speaker 1: and he was always welcome. And it's the same way
Speaker 1: I now treat all of my kids' exes, which a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly,
Speaker 1: but we've all dealt with those issues internally and privately,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to talk about these things anymore.
Speaker 1: It's been done, it's dealt with. We've done it, we've
Speaker 1: talked about it. We all know what happened, you know,
Speaker 1: we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in
Speaker 1: our lives. Now it's time to grow the fuck up,
Speaker 1: be mature. And I love who I've loved, and I
Speaker 1: don't like what they've done, No I don't, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't make the love get any less overnight. And I'm
Speaker 1: there for them always. And these are the fathers of
Speaker 1: my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: years from now if their grandmother treated their dad poorly
Speaker 1: or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving.
Speaker 1: So I teach my kid's forgiveness. It's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest lessons that I can teach them to forgive somebody
Speaker 1: who's treated you badly and.
Speaker 2: Move on.
Speaker 1: You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive.
Speaker 1: You need to let it go. It's not good for
Speaker 1: your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know.
Speaker 1: And I do love them, and I do love who
Speaker 1: they are, and I love their families. It's like with
Speaker 1: Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis, and I love his
Speaker 1: mom and his dad and his sister and his brother.
Speaker 1: They're family to us and we share celebrations together. And
Speaker 1: same with Tristan who comes walking in the back door
Speaker 1: and has you know, hey, Mom, what's up? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like okay. So they're always around and we embrace them.
Speaker 2: You said that before you start something, you pray. I
Speaker 2: do wondering what does that prayer?
Speaker 1: It's Dear God, please you know, surround me with your
Speaker 1: angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous, or when I
Speaker 1: go to bed at night, and just help me to
Speaker 1: see that what you want me to see and be
Speaker 1: the person that I need to be today and just
Speaker 1: help me through these difficult times. Or I come to
Speaker 1: God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness
Speaker 1: for the life that I have, or just the ability
Speaker 1: to help somebody else, because I think giving back is
Speaker 1: so important, and my girls and I talk a lot
Speaker 1: about that and just that we've been given so much,
Speaker 1: and to whom much is given, you know, much is required.
Speaker 1: And that to me is something that I was taught
Speaker 1: very young. And I just pray about safety. I pray
Speaker 1: about peace, not only in my heart but in the world.
Speaker 1: I pray about my family constantly and their safety and
Speaker 1: the grandkids and you know, all the things. And I
Speaker 1: really it's important to me to calm myself before something
Speaker 1: important and really think about it and be thoughtful about
Speaker 1: it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful.
Speaker 2: For it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's my routine every day. But I wake up with
Speaker 1: a prayer. Thank you for waking me up, thank you
Speaker 1: for giving me another beautiful day, Show me how you
Speaker 1: want me to spend my time today, and help me
Speaker 1: through these seventy five thousand meetings and zooms I have
Speaker 1: to do. And then thank you for protecting me tonight
Speaker 1: when I go to sleep, and bring me some peace
Speaker 1: and so I can recharge and be there for somebody else,
Speaker 1: because if.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 1: Get yourself ready for and get that energy going for
Speaker 1: the next day to your tank is going to be empty.
Speaker 1: And I can't really run on an empty tank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, well said. Is there a truth that
Speaker 2: you feel or a lesson? Is there a lesson Chris
Speaker 2: that you feel? Life is God to teach you the
Speaker 2: hard way.
Speaker 1: I think that the challenges are growth. I think when
Speaker 1: I go through something that's really hard, I have to
Speaker 1: remember to be grateful for it, and I have to
Speaker 1: remember that it's part of the process and it's what
Speaker 1: got me here. Because, by the way, if you just
Speaker 1: started your adult life at eighteen and just got everything
Speaker 1: you wanted, I think that it would be a very
Speaker 1: different life. It would be full, it would be harder
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. But I love the
Speaker 1: things that I've I wouldn't change anything that I've been
Speaker 1: through because it's taught me so much, so many things
Speaker 1: in my life, decades worth of things. You know that
Speaker 1: you think back and I think, what were the hardest
Speaker 1: the hardest times you know, and those are the times
Speaker 1: that really, I think for me personally, I experience the
Speaker 1: most growth as a person. And believe me, I've made
Speaker 1: so many mistakes, and you know, I'm not always right,
Speaker 1: and I have to apologize to somebody, you know, all
Speaker 1: the time if i'm you know, I'm I'm human and
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not perfect and I'm flawed. But I just
Speaker 1: try to learn something a little bit different and be
Speaker 1: a little bit better every day.
Speaker 2: What's the lesson that you feel you're really realizing right
Speaker 2: now in your seventy years that's kind of at the
Speaker 2: forefront of your mind, a principle or a lesson that.
Speaker 1: There's probably a couple. I'm trying to be more patient.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that
Speaker 1: don't matter and that I can't control, because I know
Speaker 1: that I have a purpose. I know that I have
Speaker 1: this beautiful life and this beautiful family. So just relax.
Speaker 1: When you can't control something, who cares. It's not going
Speaker 1: to change anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change
Speaker 1: a thing. I can renegotiate, I can talk to somebody calmly,
Speaker 1: I can try to deal with things that the challenges
Speaker 1: that come up day to day, and if I can't
Speaker 1: control it, I've got to let it go. I've got
Speaker 1: to say to myself Okay, you know it's funny, do
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Amen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Yeah. He's been on the story of
Speaker 2: four or five times.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love him so much. So I talk to
Speaker 1: him from time to time. And he said, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind today? And I says, you know what's on
Speaker 1: my mind is I keep thinking I'm a complainer and
Speaker 1: I've my daughter Chloe has really brought this to my
Speaker 1: mind top of mind and said, Mom, you've got to
Speaker 1: stop complaining about nothing, like you have the most beautiful life.
Speaker 1: And I go, I know you're right. I'm a control freak.
Speaker 1: So when you're a control freak, like my idea of
Speaker 1: a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers, it gives
Speaker 1: me peace, It helps my brain. It helps me to
Speaker 1: get organ I'm a very organized girl, so to reorganize
Speaker 1: everything just to I don't know, blow off some steam
Speaker 1: helps me to relax. It's my form of zen. So
Speaker 1: when I can't control something, it I get annoyed, like
Speaker 1: the littlest things like why did that person do? Like
Speaker 1: that doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't
Speaker 1: very common, as we all know, right, So I always
Speaker 1: say that, and so so doctor Amen, said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you the rule of twelve. He goes, you
Speaker 1: have to wait until something goes wrong for the twelfth
Speaker 1: time and.
Speaker 3: Then you can let loose. And I said, oh, I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 1: And so of course somebody forgets a bag, so we
Speaker 1: have to wait, you know, whatever half hour for somebody
Speaker 1: to go back drive somewhere. Then somebody forgot a passport.
Speaker 1: Then you know, it went like that for a while,
Speaker 1: right and one by one, okay, number one, and I
Speaker 1: just smiled, you know, tried to breathe. Number two, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to distract myself. I'll get on Instagram or something.
Speaker 1: Right then number three, you know, and I kept trying
Speaker 1: to distract myself from being cranky. Got to number twelve
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, next one, I'm going to you know,
Speaker 1: shit's going to hit the fan. And of course number
Speaker 1: thirteen came and I just went okay, And it really
Speaker 1: helped to put me in my place a little bit,
Speaker 1: like like nothing's this serious, Like why are you complaining?
Speaker 1: What do you have to complain about? And then just
Speaker 1: trying to find your piece, inner piece where you feel
Speaker 1: like we've all had days. I know everybody's had the
Speaker 1: day that they wake up and they realize today is
Speaker 1: such a great day, Like everything's going right, my family's healthy,
Speaker 1: I have money in the bank, I can pay the rent.
Speaker 1: I this relationship is going really well, and I have
Speaker 1: lots of friends, and everything's just coming up roses. And
Speaker 1: that's the feeling that I love to have and recognize
Speaker 1: when it comes along. So that feeling of gratitude and
Speaker 1: gratification and just thankfulness, like thank you God for all
Speaker 1: of these wonderful things. But it's not just about oodles
Speaker 1: and noodles of blessings. It's about a feeling, do you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: It's about really recognizing how special that is. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't come along every single day, so you have
Speaker 1: to appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to look for it. You got to
Speaker 2: find that feel do Yeah, you got to find that feel.
Speaker 1: You have to find that feeling and then really kind
Speaker 1: of just you know, let it sink in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're reminding me. There's a tool that I love.
Speaker 2: It's called the perspective scale. So if you looked at
Speaker 2: your life from zero to ten, Zero is the way
Speaker 2: you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing, and
Speaker 2: ten is you wake up and the worst thing possible
Speaker 2: could happen? Are you all the opposite right now? If
Speaker 2: you looked at the today's problem of someone forgetting their
Speaker 2: bag to the airport, yeah, it's like a two on
Speaker 2: that list. Yeah, because compared to the worst day ever,
Speaker 2: it's nothing. But when you don't have that perspective, everything's
Speaker 2: a ten. Everything feels like a ten, Like the meeting
Speaker 2: that felled through, the person they show up, the text
Speaker 2: you got that you didn't want to. It's like everything's
Speaker 2: a nine or a ten. And when you look at
Speaker 2: it in perspective, actually that's just a one. That's a one,
Speaker 2: it's a two. Yeah, it's you know what, and it
Speaker 2: just lets you what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You can't control it. So what are we going to do?
Speaker 1: Just get ourselves all twirled up? No, I can't do
Speaker 1: that anymore. I'm too. I want to protect my peace.
Speaker 1: And that's part of what I talked to doctor Aimon about,
Speaker 1: is protecting my peace and just showing more kindness and
Speaker 1: more generosity and more just being the kind of person
Speaker 1: like my grandmother used to say, you better treat others
Speaker 1: the way you want others to treat you, know, And
Speaker 1: so of course and also she always said, if you
Speaker 1: don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to plaster across my Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's such a different world.
Speaker 2: It's a great rule to right, great rule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they still hold true all of these decades. They
Speaker 1: all do, they all do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I have a lot of them. And no, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you can lead a horse to water, but
Speaker 1: you can't make a drink. I mean, all those silly ones.
Speaker 1: And my kids make fun of me all the time
Speaker 1: because you say it to that I'm old fashioned.
Speaker 2: Well though I was about to say, just so, just
Speaker 2: so everyone knows how organized Chris is. She game here
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes early today, like thirty five minutes early.
Speaker 2: No one does that. And Kendall, Kim and Chloe never
Speaker 2: been late to the podcast, never late to an event,
Speaker 2: didn't like It's just everyone operates so professionally. There's so
Speaker 2: much respect for everyone else's time and energy. Yes, and
Speaker 2: it's and it comes from that place. It's not just
Speaker 2: a check box. It's like whenever I've spent time with anyone,
Speaker 2: whether it's with Kim and Chloe in India or you know,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be everyone's always on time, and the
Speaker 2: energy's right, and everyone's excited, and there's excited to be there,
Speaker 2: excited to be there and to be I.
Speaker 1: Love the girls because they love to build other people
Speaker 1: up and they have this great group of friends. And
Speaker 1: to look at these humans that you know, I've you know,
Speaker 1: just just so very proud of the women and the
Speaker 1: man that they've become because they make me so happy
Speaker 1: and they have, you know, very happy lives because they
Speaker 1: have each other. I mean, not everybody can have six kids,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a raise, but.
Speaker 1: It certainly it makes for a really, you know, amazing family.
Speaker 2: How did you make sure you got to know them
Speaker 2: all individually and intimately in a way that you could
Speaker 2: guide them towards their passions and help them find it
Speaker 2: because that's such an individual process. It is, it's such
Speaker 2: a personal thing.
Speaker 1: It's I think with the first four, I was lucky
Speaker 1: enough to not be working through the pregnancies or raising
Speaker 1: them when they were small, and I took that time.
Speaker 1: And then later when I was you know, I really
Speaker 1: came into this growth and you know, television success. When
Speaker 1: I was fifty two, when we started our show Wow.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: I know, and people, by the way, thought that we
Speaker 1: just sort of appeared out of nowhere. And I had
Speaker 1: a life for a couple decades, several decades that I
Speaker 1: was very immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had
Speaker 1: this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, just had this glorious, you know life
Speaker 1: together with my kids and really experienced so much with
Speaker 1: them from when they were babies and they were always
Speaker 1: doing things and in sports and we went to everything,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just a typical childhood for
Speaker 1: them that they were involved in everything and we were
Speaker 1: right there, you know, as you know, having a front
Speaker 1: row seat to their childhoods. And that makes a big difference,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're just all in a thousand. I
Speaker 1: had some friends who didn't experience what I experienced, and
Speaker 1: the difference in the outcome and how their kids were
Speaker 1: raised versus you know, there are differences, it's like, and
Speaker 1: it's not just about somebody who throws themselves into, you know,
Speaker 1: one of their kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they're individuals. But what was so
Speaker 1: fascinating for me was how different every every single child was,
Speaker 1: Like I had my first baby, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what to expect with number two. One is like one.
Speaker 1: Two is like twenty for me. That's how it was
Speaker 1: for me, And it was very overwhelming to have two
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, what's one more, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it just kept going. But I think what you
Speaker 1: don't expect and what people would say to me at
Speaker 1: the time, people that were my age but didn't have
Speaker 1: any kids or one kid, and they would say, Wow,
Speaker 1: how are they so different? And they were just obviously
Speaker 1: had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the
Speaker 1: things that come with that, and just learned each one
Speaker 1: little by little, yeah, and just were part of each
Speaker 1: other's you know, obviously DNA, but it truly like they're
Speaker 1: just the biggest part of my heart.
Speaker 2: But it's it's so interesting to hear that that having
Speaker 2: that time with each of them and having that quality
Speaker 2: time in those early days, and I assume you'd build
Speaker 2: up the skills by the time you had Kindle and.
Speaker 1: A break had like an eight year break in there.
Speaker 1: And so when I had Kendle, not only had the
Speaker 1: world change and the you know, I mean there was
Speaker 1: a time. I mean I had a good, solid decade
Speaker 1: when I had like three high chairs lined up and
Speaker 1: you know, strollers and two car seats, and and then
Speaker 1: I went through a stage of having a little bit
Speaker 1: of a break with being pregnant and then started all
Speaker 1: over again, and everything changed. There were telephones, there were computers.
Speaker 1: It was huge, a huge change in how everything worked.
Speaker 1: And nineteen ninety five came along and Kenda was born,
Speaker 1: and then I really had another chance at sort of
Speaker 1: continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie, and thought, oh,
Speaker 1: now we need another one because you don't want Kendall
Speaker 1: to grow up kind of so far apart in the gap.
Speaker 1: So we had another one. And Chloe was like my
Speaker 1: angel because Chloe really helped me. She was ten, maybe
Speaker 1: or eleven, and she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie.
Speaker 1: Because now at this point, I've got a full time
Speaker 1: job and I've got to figure out how to keep
Speaker 1: the lights on truly, and I thought, oh, this is
Speaker 1: like so from morning till night, working and trying to
Speaker 1: make it, you know, a career was very interesting, and
Speaker 1: that little Chloe was like a little mama's helper with
Speaker 1: everything with feeding and bathtime and you know, help me
Speaker 1: babysit on the weekends. I was in the house, I
Speaker 1: was in my office. But you know, if I said,
Speaker 1: you guys play out here, I'll be right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But was such a great set of hands and such
Speaker 1: a she gave everything to those girls. Wow, and really
Speaker 1: helped me with that so that I'll always be great.
Speaker 2: Was her. That was ural, That was her right energy
Speaker 2: that she had.
Speaker 1: I could have called Chloe at ten years old and
Speaker 1: said we're having folks for dinner tonight, can you just
Speaker 1: throw on a little something for dinner and set the
Speaker 1: table for eight ten people? She would have nailed it.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was something else. She still is just remarkable.
Speaker 2: That kid beautiful.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you know, if I hadn't had the
Speaker 1: older ones to really help me with the younger ones,
Speaker 1: it would have in a lot more difficult. But that's
Speaker 1: what great big families are. So that's why they're so special.
Speaker 2: You're promoting big families, Chris, that's the.
Speaker 4: Everybody get out there and have some kids, some kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we need.
Speaker 2: It seems so thoughtful though, like you were like, all right,
Speaker 2: I don't want Kendall to be the last one who's
Speaker 2: left alone, and so we'll have like there's there's so much.
Speaker 2: It's intentional.
Speaker 1: It was very intentional, very intentional. Yeah, I didn't want
Speaker 1: somebody to be left without there, Like it was Courtney
Speaker 1: and Kimberly, and then it was Chloe and Rob who
Speaker 1: were still connected at the hip. They're both all of them,
Speaker 1: and then it's Kendall and Kylie. Yeah, so they all
Speaker 1: had their little I had different litters, they had different pals.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it's really and I just I
Speaker 1: felt really good about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that it goes through the kids to
Speaker 2: go one thing that each of them have taught you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Courtney taught me probably how to be a mom.
Speaker 1: She was my first born, and she was you know,
Speaker 1: she gave me a run for my money because she
Speaker 1: was very caliky, and that was interesting and very challenging
Speaker 1: for you know, those long nights and all of that.
Speaker 1: So that was like, oh, okay, this is what it's like. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you would do anything to make her life and
Speaker 1: have her feel better. And you know, this little tiny
Speaker 1: thing that was you know, really had an upset tummy
Speaker 1: for nine months at least and then I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it again. Kim taught me multitasking, and Chloe taught
Speaker 1: me probably oh, I mean, they all taught me love.
Speaker 1: But Chloe united everybody and taught me a lot about
Speaker 1: how grateful I was for humor because she was so funny.
Speaker 1: And then Rob the same. Rob was just a joy,
Speaker 1: but he was the boy. You know. Robert Kardashian Senior
Speaker 1: came from a big Armenian family and they were praying
Speaker 1: for a boy from day one, so you know, it
Speaker 1: was always, you know, I hope it's the boy. I
Speaker 1: hope it's the boy, and it's going to be Robert Junior,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I was like, okay, it's a girl,
Speaker 1: you know, another girl, another girl. And so when Robert
Speaker 1: was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing.
Speaker 1: They were My mother and father in law were so
Speaker 1: happy and all their friends. And I remember she ran
Speaker 1: to the hospital with this beautiful broke diamond broach that
Speaker 1: she gave me, and I was, you know, it was
Speaker 1: so joyful, and it was like New Year's Eve, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was a celebration. So that was really special,
Speaker 1: and it taught me a lot about their culture and
Speaker 1: how to celebrate on another level and all of the
Speaker 1: experiences that because suddenly, when Robert was born, the Armenian
Speaker 1: side of my in laws really kicked in over at
Speaker 1: my house. You know, it's like, we're going to make,
Speaker 1: you know, these Armenian meals and I'm gonna show and
Speaker 1: we're trying to teach the kids to speak a little Armenian,
Speaker 1: which you know didn't go that far. They're not fluent
Speaker 1: or anything. But it was a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: learn about that and finally to have the boy that
Speaker 1: they had been hoping for for all that time and
Speaker 1: then so that was joyful. He taught me a lot
Speaker 1: about what that meant and what you know, having probably
Speaker 1: what they considered, you know, more of the head of
Speaker 1: the family because I had a son and what that
Speaker 1: was like. That was just such a beautiful experience to
Speaker 1: have a boy. And then Kendall, I think taught me
Speaker 1: a lot about patience and serenity because I had two
Speaker 1: miscarriages before I had Kendall, and that taught me a
Speaker 1: lot because you think you're invincible, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: pop out another baby, and then you don't, and it
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit of a struggle, but when she came,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just so amazing too, and it
Speaker 1: made me realize how appreciation. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that lesson too, was how much I appreciated and then
Speaker 1: sat in awe of all the other times I had
Speaker 1: done it and thought, Wow, this is not just so
Speaker 1: easy for everybody. And by that time, when Kylie came along,
Speaker 1: I also appreciation and just joy. And I got just
Speaker 1: stational diabetes very badly, and I gained about one hundred
Speaker 1: pounds and that was hard, and it taught me a
Speaker 1: lot about patience, and it taught me a lot about
Speaker 1: being healthy and healthy choices, and the world was changing,
Speaker 1: and a lot of my friends at the time we
Speaker 1: were all in our forties. I had Kindle when I
Speaker 1: was forty and I had Kylie when I was forty one,
Speaker 1: and that when you do that in your life after
Speaker 1: having four other children, that's very you know, it's a
Speaker 1: decision you're making. It's very intentional, and you don't just
Speaker 1: accidentally pop up and get, at least for me, get
Speaker 1: pregnant for no reason. And so it was very intentional
Speaker 1: to add to my family. And Kylie taught me a
Speaker 1: lot about being grateful and having gratitude for all of
Speaker 1: my children because now that I'm in my forties, a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends were also in their forties, and
Speaker 1: everybody was struggling with infertility, that hadn't had a baby yet.
Speaker 1: And here I was on my you know, fifth and
Speaker 1: sixth and you know, and some people were really struggling,
Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, so grateful that this had been this,
Speaker 1: this was my journey. So I felt like, very grateful
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. So sorry for your loss, I mean those
Speaker 2: two miscarriages. Yeah, I mean I've had a lot of
Speaker 2: my friends in the last twelve to twenty four months
Speaker 2: have experienced miscarriages, and I feel like people are starting
Speaker 2: to talk about it a bit more now.
Speaker 1: You grief, It's a terrible thing that you do because
Speaker 1: it's so silent almost you know, it happens, and people go,
Speaker 1: were so sorry. And I carried that for months, months
Speaker 1: and months. You know, you still think about it from
Speaker 1: time to time, but don't dwell on it at all.
Speaker 1: Just grateful that I am and I got to have
Speaker 1: my journey and my experience, and my kids are thriving
Speaker 1: health wise at the moment, so you know, you just
Speaker 1: have to be there and support and love on the
Speaker 1: friends that you that go through that, and that that
Speaker 1: was a lot of my friends were experienced around that time, and.
Speaker 3: That was real.
Speaker 1: That was a big moment for me during those years.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a moment. It was several years of just
Speaker 1: just trying to be there and being supportive and being
Speaker 1: a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and
Speaker 1: you know, doing different versions of IVF and all these
Speaker 1: different medicals. But by the way, we're just becoming something
Speaker 1: that worked. In those years, like it was very still
Speaker 1: very new and thirty years ago, almost years ago, and
Speaker 1: I just always would hold my breath when one of
Speaker 1: my friends would get pregnant again, you know that it
Speaker 1: experienced loss in such a difficult way and praying, and
Speaker 1: then every time one of my girlfriends would have a
Speaker 1: baby after a long journey, I would go to the
Speaker 1: hospital and we would celebrate and it was just yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember doing that quite a few times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. It's I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be useful for a lot of people to hear
Speaker 2: that because it's I don't think it's ever going to
Speaker 2: get easier when people go through something. No, it's always
Speaker 2: going to hurt, and knowing that others are going through
Speaker 2: it is probably the only thing right help.
Speaker 1: It's devastating to people that have tried for so long
Speaker 1: to have a baby and it just doesn't happen for them.
Speaker 1: And that used to break my heart because I always
Speaker 1: experience the joy and that joyful part of it. I
Speaker 1: never really had the side that ended very sadly.
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a couple of experiences that was,
Speaker 1: you know, traumatizing to say the least at the time,
Speaker 1: But I went on with a happy ending. And some
Speaker 1: people don't get that happy ending, and that always used
Speaker 1: to break my heart, you know, to have anybody struggle
Speaker 1: with that. But now, my goodness, there's so many amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, ways to overcome just due to all the
Speaker 1: new technology, all the things they're doing now and the
Speaker 1: way people are using surrogates. That's such a wonderful gift
Speaker 1: to be able to give someone. I used to think
Speaker 1: when I was really young and not thinking it through.
Speaker 1: After I had a couple of kids, I said I
Speaker 1: would I was watching something on TV once about a
Speaker 1: surrogate and by the way, we're talking nineteen eighties, and
Speaker 1: I used to think I would do this for somebody.
Speaker 1: If somebody like it would well, I would do this.
Speaker 1: And then you know, then a few minutes later, you're
Speaker 1: like Chris, snap out of it. But no, I used
Speaker 1: to think that, truly. I used to think that would
Speaker 1: be a great thing to do. So I really do
Speaker 1: admire women who give their life to somebody for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, basically of helping them carry a baby.
Speaker 1: I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a
Speaker 1: surrogat what a beautiful, sacred gift.
Speaker 2: And now, from your position of having this wisdom and
Speaker 2: being in this place in your life, what's a piece
Speaker 2: of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of
Speaker 2: the kids. What's the different lens or direction that you're
Speaker 2: giving each of them right now?
Speaker 1: I think be kind, treat each other with love and kindness,
Speaker 1: and everyone that you encounter, and you never know what
Speaker 1: somebody's been through or what they're going through at the
Speaker 1: moment or that day. And if people are you know,
Speaker 1: cruel and nasty. We talk about that a lot lately,
Speaker 1: just about the you know, the way people can get
Speaker 1: worked up online and some of the negative energy there
Speaker 1: and just really trying to not listen to the noise,
Speaker 1: don't read that kind of stuff, and try to be
Speaker 1: more joyful and just to be there for one another
Speaker 1: because all we have is each other. That's all we've got.
Speaker 1: It goes by so fast, and it's especially when you
Speaker 1: have kids you realize how fast time goes by. And
Speaker 1: Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat,
Speaker 1: a picture of Stormy yesterday and I haven't seen her
Speaker 1: in a week, and I was shook. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is just going by so fast. She's you know,
Speaker 1: she grew afoot what's happened here? So I think just
Speaker 1: to appreciate the moment and drown out the noise as
Speaker 1: much as you can and love each other as hard
Speaker 1: as you can because you only have this one life
Speaker 1: and it goes by really fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you keep talking about this interview, that's drowning out
Speaker 2: the noise, and yeah, there being so many disturbances.
Speaker 1: You have to Yeah, because there's so much going on.
Speaker 1: I have so much incoming constantly in my life. You know,
Speaker 1: there's always something to look answer to, look at a contract,
Speaker 1: have a zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always so
Speaker 1: much to choose from, and so many beautiful things we
Speaker 1: can do, But there's also a lot of it's work,
Speaker 1: but it's stuff we need to do, or it's conflict,
Speaker 1: or it's something you need to deal with personally. There's
Speaker 1: always something you know going on during the day, and
Speaker 1: I think you have to edit, edit your life and
Speaker 1: really focus on what you want to put your energy into,
Speaker 1: put your heart, your soul into, put your love into,
Speaker 1: and then edit what you can get rid of to
Speaker 1: find some joy and some peace in all of it,
Speaker 1: and through all of that be grateful.
Speaker 2: What I love learning about you more and more the
Speaker 2: more time we spent together is that I feel like
Speaker 2: you're this incredible powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy. About
Speaker 2: the heart of it, there's this really soft, loving, soulful,
Speaker 2: you know individual And is that how you see yourself
Speaker 2: when you feel most seen for people who know you
Speaker 2: the deepest and the best? Yeah, how did they see you?
Speaker 2: What did they see?
Speaker 1: I think the way you described Anyone who knows me
Speaker 1: knows I'm just a big baby and I'm a big
Speaker 1: softie and I cry at commercials. I will literally have
Speaker 1: it right into the surface at all times. But then
Speaker 1: I go to work, and I'm like, okay, listen, no,
Speaker 1: I'm really not, but I'm you know, I love what
Speaker 1: I do, and I know that through experience and time
Speaker 1: and you know, just all the things we've been through,
Speaker 1: you know. I try my best every day and try
Speaker 1: to get through the day with as much integrity and
Speaker 1: the best character I can, you know, put out there
Speaker 1: and be myself and do what I think is right,
Speaker 1: and teach my kids to be good human beings and
Speaker 1: my grandkids and just have so much fun and enjoy
Speaker 1: every minute.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you did it right, Chris.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, listen, I make a lot
Speaker 1: of mistakes throughout my life and during the day, and
Speaker 1: you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.
Speaker 2: That's normally.
Speaker 1: But I think if we just go out there and
Speaker 1: put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say,
Speaker 1: my grandma used to say, and do our very best
Speaker 1: and be the best sink scrubber you can possibly be,
Speaker 1: You're going to be. Okay.
Speaker 2: I love that, Chris. We end every on Purpose interview
Speaker 2: the final five. These questions have to be answered in
Speaker 2: one word to one sentence maximum, so you have a sentence.
Speaker 1: For each Okay, I'm responding to your word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll ask you a question. You can have a sentence,
Speaker 2: you can have a sentence. Yeah, So Christianity is your
Speaker 2: final five. The first question is what is the best
Speaker 2: advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 1: Lead with your heart.
Speaker 2: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard
Speaker 2: or received?
Speaker 1: Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids, and
Speaker 1: then I do the exact opposite, and I think I
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 2: Because you disagree with that. Yeah, what was some of
Speaker 2: that bad advice? Like what kind of things did people say?
Speaker 1: Just you know, when you're going through life and people
Speaker 1: are telling you, you know, different ways to just you know,
Speaker 1: approach a problem and how they would handle it. And
Speaker 1: I've always just done my own thing. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you have to re really go with your intuition and
Speaker 1: your gut when you're raising kids, or you know, any
Speaker 1: any real important decision that you make in your life.
Speaker 1: You have to follow what you like, your your soul
Speaker 1: tells you to do. And I've been really I think intuitive,
Speaker 1: you know about what I think is right and wrong.
Speaker 2: Question number three, what do you feel your soul is
Speaker 2: here to experience right now?
Speaker 1: I think I have a strong purpose in raising my
Speaker 1: family and raising great kids and created a legacy that
Speaker 1: I pass on to my grandchildren and their children and
Speaker 1: just showing and learning from one another my family. I
Speaker 1: think it's all about my family. I was born to
Speaker 1: be a mom and help them find their passion, their truth,
Speaker 1: their joy, their their legacy, and so I have a
Speaker 1: lot of I'm so proud of that that gets to
Speaker 1: be my purpose.
Speaker 2: So it's so clearly what it feels like you were
Speaker 2: born to do.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that, Yeah, I feel so strong.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing that you're thinking about not only your
Speaker 2: grandkids but their kids and oh yeah, like you really
Speaker 2: do think about generational.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a very sentimental person. And I made
Speaker 1: an app for my family that we have all of
Speaker 1: our home movies from the time they were born and
Speaker 1: they're up on the screen and I try to think
Speaker 1: of really interesting things to give them about their childhood,
Speaker 1: and you know how what they can do for their kids,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it all comes back to
Speaker 1: the kids, the grandkids, and is celebrating, is celebrating anything
Speaker 1: is so special in my family and being able to
Speaker 1: celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween and fourth of July
Speaker 1: and Valandi like everybody's birthday, it's every month there's something
Speaker 1: really big that happens around our crew, and I think
Speaker 1: just having that joy and that to look forward to
Speaker 1: if it's just being together and like you were saying,
Speaker 1: you're celebrating your special time with your life and that's
Speaker 1: something that you're looking forward to and you can't wait.
Speaker 1: We feel like that all the time because there's so
Speaker 1: many of us, and so my purpose here is to
Speaker 1: be this you know, conductor of all of those stuff
Speaker 1: and to teach it to all of them and then
Speaker 1: they'll teach it to their kids and their kids they'll
Speaker 1: teach it to their kids, and you know, just the tradition,
Speaker 1: the sentimental times, the memories, the scores of photos that
Speaker 1: I used to put into albums before there was ever
Speaker 1: an I phone, and you know that all means so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, question numb before you are obviously there for all
Speaker 2: of them. What do you still go to your mother for,
Speaker 2: who's ninety one?
Speaker 1: Everything? I talk to her every day on the phone.
Speaker 1: Really we help each other with what we're going to watch.
Speaker 1: She loves Dateline as much as I do, so we're like,
Speaker 1: what murder mystery or we're going to watch tonight and
Speaker 1: then she'll say, Okay, I was sad today, so we're
Speaker 1: going to watch a comedy and we'll say, okay, which one?
Speaker 1: And so we have great fun, just you know, doing
Speaker 1: that together, even though we're She lives a mile from
Speaker 1: my house. I try to get her to move in
Speaker 1: with me, but she refused. She's so independent, which I
Speaker 1: admire and love, you know. And she lives part time
Speaker 1: in La Joya down in near San Diego, and she's
Speaker 1: got beautiful views. So she sends me photos every day
Speaker 1: of how much she appreciates the ocean and her surroundings.
Speaker 1: And you know, we just have great fun together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One ninety one.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, Yeah, it's beautiful what she passed down.
Speaker 2: Your grandmother passed down, so it's already been three Did
Speaker 2: they have that as well or were they the ones
Speaker 2: to start it off?
Speaker 1: I think my grandmother she started it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she started it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so lucky me.
Speaker 2: It's already been five generations.
Speaker 1: Lucky me.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Fifth and final question, Chris, we asked this
Speaker 2: to every guest who's ever been on the show. Okay,
Speaker 2: the question is if you could create one law that
Speaker 2: everyone in the world had to follow. What would it be?
Speaker 1: Love one another?
Speaker 6: Simple?
Speaker 2: Simple? Why do we find it so hard?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but that's mine, that's
Speaker 1: my advice.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to you for your time, your energy,
Speaker 2: you know, sharing your soul. I'm waiting now all I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this whole time while you were speaking.
Speaker 2: I was like, we need a Chris memoir, Like, we
Speaker 2: need all of the these incredible stories of you scrubbing
Speaker 2: that donut floor.
Speaker 1: And yeahs the glaze of the gaze of the floor.
Speaker 1: I am the best donut glaze, scraper washing, and the
Speaker 1: us we need.
Speaker 2: We need a memoir from from the from the matriarch,
Speaker 2: you know, we need it. We need a memoir. You know.
Speaker 1: They're silly stories and something that you know most people
Speaker 1: won't you know, think are significant, but they were growing
Speaker 1: up and you know that's everybody's life is so different,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, part of mine. So I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for every moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, will you impact millions of people across the world.
Speaker 2: So your story matters for people to know how you
Speaker 2: became who you became. And I'm grateful that we could
Speaker 2: share that chapter here and celebrate your upcoming seventieth birthday
Speaker 2: and just you, so grateful for you your family, and.
Speaker 1: We're grateful for you. And I'm proud of you for
Speaker 1: spreading all the messages you spread around the world. And
Speaker 1: everybody listens to you and gets such strength and knowledge
Speaker 1: and comfort and hopefully turns their lives around in some way.
Speaker 1: And that's a very special position to be in. And
Speaker 1: you know that's your very special man. So thank you
Speaker 1: for all that you give to everybody in the world,
Speaker 1: including me and my family. So thank you, Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 2: You're the best. If you love this episode, you'll enjoy
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Speaker 7: If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with
Speaker 7: a healthy brain.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over
Speaker 7: a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers, and
Speaker 7: their brains are very damaged.