WEBVTT - America Ferrera and the First CEO of Time’s Up 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.280 Hey, Brian, Hi Katie. Well, Brian, you probably know that 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.120 this month marks the one year anniversary of that New 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:17.320 York Times expose on Harvey Weinstein, those allegations of multiple 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:22.000 cases of sexual misconduct, which rocked Hollywood and gave way 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.840 to the Me Too movement as thousands of women from 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.000 all walks of life came forward to tell their stories. Hollywood, 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.000 Katie seemed to be ground zero for this movement, and 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.120 within a few months, women there decided to form a 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.200 coalition to combat sexual harassment and assault in the workplace. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.559 They called it Times Up, and the idea was to 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.800 harness their power to stop sexual misconduct not just in 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.559 the entertainment industry, but across a multitude of industries. That's right, 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.239 and Times Up made a big splash, as you remember 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.080 at this year's Golden Globes, when dozens of celebrities showed 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.840 up to the awards wearing black and Times up pen 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.000 But they also brought with them women who don't usually 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.880 show up on the red carpet, those who represent domestic 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.120 workers or have been toiling on factory floors across the country, 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.479 Women who have had no voice about the abuse they faced. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:18.000 So we wanted to know where are we one year later? 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.160 And at this moment, there's a new leader in the 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.120 movement who was just announced as the first CEO of 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.280 Times UP. Her name is Lisa Borders. Lisa is joining 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.920 that organization after three years as president of the Women's 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.039 National Basketball Association, and I had a chance to talk 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.520 with Lisa in front of a live audience at the 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:43.240 Vanity Fair New Establishments Summit last week, and joining Katie 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.880 and Lisa for that conversation was an actor who has 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.440 been instrumental in Times Up since the very beginning, America 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.680 Ferrera and Brian. Because of my daughters Ellen and Carey, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.919 I will always think of America as Kerman from Sisterhood 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.720 of the Traveling Pants. But since then she's been very busy. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.880 She's formed her own production company, she started an Ugly 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.240 Betty and now superstore. In her spare time, she put 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.160 together a new book called American Like Me, reflections on 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.400 life between cultures. But what's taken a big chunk of 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.000 her time is her political activism. She spoke at the 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.240 Democratic Convention and of course as an outspoken critic of 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.239 the Trump administration. And by the way, I hope he 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.160 doesn't decide to attack her looks on Twitter or something 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.239 similarly mature like that. Yes, here's hoping, But Brian, no, 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.400 Lisa has a very interesting backstory. You'll find what she 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.120 did prior to coming to the w n B A 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.360 I think fascinating. Meanwhile, I talked to both of them 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.320 about the work they've done so far and what they 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.760 planned to do in the future, and America's passion for 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.080 everything political made me ask her if she'd ever consider 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.680 running for office. After all, Brian, her name is Taylor, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.440 made for a campaign slogan right America for America lutely. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.520 But I began by asking these two powerhouses to describe 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:12.800 what Time's Up actually is. Time's Up started about a 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.519 year ago, at the critical moment where um stories were 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.320 breaking and women were coming forward and sharing their stories, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.600 and this incredible thing started happening in our industry, which 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:28.480 was that women started gathering in rooms in these unprecedented ways, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:33.320 women across disciplines and across studios and across networks and 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.400 across agencies showing up and saying what are we going 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.160 to do? Because we can't let this moment go by 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.000 and not harness our anger, our fear, our pain that 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.880 we have all been living with silently and and and 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.000 isolated from one another. And it's a sisterhood, is what 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.560 it is. And we didn't know what we were building. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.200 All we knew was that we we needed to use 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.880 our voices, and use our access and use our platform 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.760 to stand up and say that we no longer could 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:08.160 sit silently and accept the imbalance of power that exists 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.360 in our industry and that we know exists across all 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.120 other industries. So times Up is that it's a sisterhood, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.799 and also it's a brotherhood for any man who stands 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.919 with us and believes in women having the right to 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.800 be safe and dignified in their workplaces. UM, that's what 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.120 Time's Up is, And it's a movement that has expanded 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.200 outside of our entertainment industry. UM, women in in the 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.880 tech industry, in the advertising industry, in the venture capital industry, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.719 in the health care industry have all started organizing around 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.800 times Up in their own organizations. So it's bigger than 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.839 any of us could have ever imagined and harder to 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.400 explain than in one short center. And we'll talk more 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.599 in a minute, America about some of the other things 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.000 that you all have been able to accomplish. But Lisa, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.840 I wanted to ask you, what may do you decide 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.720 you were going to take the helm of Times up? 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.720 Did you have an aha moment that made you think 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.039 this feels right. I have to be more involved in 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:15.159 this movement. Absolutely So. I was watching the Golden Globes 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:21.120 and I heard Oprah Winfrey the Oracle say, a new 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:27.440 day is on the horizon. Very good, that residination. But 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.160 I already had the privilege of leading the W. N 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.760 b A had twelve teams, a hundred forty four elite 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.560 athletes who are some of the best female athletes athletes, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.320 not just female athletes in the world. So I had 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.040 the privilege of steward ng A League of Women. So 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.960 this is a continuation of work not only from the 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.360 W but work that I've been doing for four decades. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.840 It seems very natural. I had the privilege of being 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.000 at the W, which was sports, one sector, one industry. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.400 Times has the ability to impact multiple or all industry, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.760 women of all kinds across the globe. So it's not 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.160 only in the US or North America. This is a 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.760 global movement here and now, and I know that in 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.680 many ways activism really runs in your family. Tell us 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.040 about that, Lisa, and how that inspires you. Sure. So, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.080 my home city is Atlanta. Katie knows that I love 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.560 my city. It's the cradle of the civil rights movement, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.840 and I'm a civil rights baby. We all have benefited 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.120 from the legislation that was passed in the nineteen sixties. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.839 But I personally helped integrate independent schools in my home city, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.880 just like many other African Americans across the country. But 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.719 my grandfather, who was a minister in Atlanta, really led 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.960 many of the marches in the city during the sixties. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.080 The clan burned across on his yard in the late 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.240 nineteen fifties. I was called racial slurs from seventh grade 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.520 to twelfth grade every single day. So I have real 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:09.960 personal experience with being treated improperly or poorly or mistreated, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.880 or having folks have perceptions of me that weren't true, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.920 that we're in their head. So the notion of social 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.400 justice or of treating people fairly or ensuring that they 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.760 are safe, that they have their dignity intact every day 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.480 when they come to work and when they live their lives. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.800 More importantly, comes very naturally to me because I grew 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.600 up in this environment in Atlanta, which was segregated growing up, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.200 but which integrated during my lifetime, and I had the 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.640 experiences all the way through. Uh. Dr King's church is 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.640 one block from my home church, and he would come 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.440 and listen to my grandfather preach, and frankly, he was 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:57.840 just Marty's dad or Yoki's dad. He wasn't Doctor King. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.679 And I think I was forty Katie before I really 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.200 understood that I had lived through history, including his assassination 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.640 and witnessing his funeral, and watching my friend Bernice, the 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.760 youngest of the King children, walking down the street, a 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.560 very quiet street, holding her mother's hand, with her father's 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.120 casket being pulled, an American flag draped, and two mules 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:28.200 pulling that wagon. So moving to hear you talk about that, Lisa. Honestly, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.559 you know, America talked about sort of all these different verticals, 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.200 if you will, all these different industries getting together. By 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.520 the way, if you need somebody in media, I'm your girl. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.480 But but but what about some of the other things 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.480 that are happening behind the scenes, Because I think that 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.040 a lot of people recognize the sort of public, forward 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.760 facing actions that you all have taken at award shows 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.760 or things like that. But a lot of hard work 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.840 is going on behind the scenes that I feel like 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.440 people don't know about. Yeah, yeah, And you know, when 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.960 when we're us figuring it out, it's hard to explain 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.120 it and present it when you know this is unprecedented. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.719 The women in our industry have never organized in this 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.360 way before, and certainly not women in my position who 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.080 are actresses. And we've been taught to be the face 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.240 of of issues or the face of movements, or the 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.880 face of some charity. You know, you would all be 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.160 so surprised to learn about the names and the faces 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.080 that you know, you expect to see on the Golden 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.880 Globe carpets, But you don't expect them to be meeting 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.280 four times a week after a long day of work 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.520 to roll up their sleeves and say, Okay, what's the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.640 language of the tweet that's really going to cut through 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.800 this moment? And how are we you know, how are 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.400 we working with our unions to get them to adapt 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.320 codes of conduct? How do we um figure out how 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.080 to implement inclusion writers in our contracts? And and one 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.600 of the things that is really in the DNA of 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.160 times up from the very beginning is this notion that 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.000 it is not just about us as women in entertainment. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.000 It is about women all across the country and the world, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.680 and it's and it's about the dignity of every person 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.200 being able to show up and be safe in work. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.560 And and the way that manifested for us from the 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.760 very beginning was that the president of the National Women's 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.160 farm Workers Alliance wrote a letter to the women in 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:28.760 Hollywood after the Weinstein investigation started breaking. She wrote a 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.560 letter on behalf of seven hundred thousand farm workers. These 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.320 are women in the field who are the most invisible 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.520 and marginalized and sidelined among us, to say to the 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.640 women in Hollywood, we see you, we know your pain, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.640 and we stand with you as your sisters. And this 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:55.320 lit a fire under us and and called us to 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.040 action to not just do what was right for us 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.040 and the women in our industry, but to say, we 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.800 have an access that so many women will never have, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.400 but we have got to include them and every single 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.600 thing that we do. And one of the first steps 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:16.080 that we took before we were anything was establishing the 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.200 Legal Defense Fund with the National Women's Law Center and 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.840 raising twenty two million dollars to help women and men 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:27.000 across all industries fight their cases of sexual harassment. And 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:32.079 so that's not sexy golden globes, you know Oprah empowering 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.680 speeches on television, But that is the on the ground, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.160 behind the scenes work that is getting done every day 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.160 by by women who have never come to this work before, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.240 but are rolling up our sleeves and figuring it out. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.160 And we're only a year in and we get to 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.160 say that we have this amazing woman who is stepping 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:56.040 in to lead us, and seeing as we've accomplished so 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.760 much in just one year, it thrills me to a 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.480 man gin where we're going to be in a year 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.559 with the leadership of Lisa. Well, that's an excellent segue 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.840 to my next question, America, So thank you. I know 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.600 you haven't officially started yet, Lisa, but when you look 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.920 at this organization and you see what has been built 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.240 in this period of time, how do you hope to 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.199 bring it to the next level? I mean, what are 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.720 sort of some of the gaps that need to be 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.240 filled structurally and and just tell us sort of what 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.120 you're envisioning, knowing that you're it's very early. Yes, it 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.800 is very early. I start officially on November one, but 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.640 clearly I have started. We are all in this together, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.000 so I think before you can address any problem, America 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.400 said it so beautifully. We have acknowledged that there is 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.200 a problem, and it's not just an entertainment. It's across sectors, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:50.680 it's across industries, it's across all geographies, all socio economic groups. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.880 So awareness of the problem has been built in a 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.000 amazing way, and I think Hollywood has done a terrific 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.959 job of that. So one of the things we must 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:04.439 pivot to, though, is to demonstrate empirically that this problem 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.800 exists beyond Hollywood, because a lot of folks still think 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.640 it's only in one place. So that's number one. We 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.320 have to then address the problem. We've decided we can't 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:20.599 boil the ocean. We're gonna focus in three areas, culture, companies, 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.280 and laws. What happens in culture gets normalized in our 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.120 everyday lives. So we're not just trying to mitigate bad behavior, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.720 we're trying to eliminate bad behavior. So how do we 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.360 address that from a cultural perspective? We want women and 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.400 enlightened men, or anyone who is interested in the same 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.319 thing philosophically that we are interested in, and this is 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:49.040 about valuing women, valuing their voice. Oftentimes we hear comments 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.000 about our actress sisters, well they should just act. Well, 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.360 now that's what they do. That's not who they are. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.920 What America is talking about is what they do and 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.000 who they are. The same thing was said about our 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.920 athletes in basketball, they should just dribble and shut up. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.960 I think not. I think not. In fact, you made 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.120 a pretty pretty vocal statement about that. Absolutely. So addressing 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.960 the issues, whether it's through the courts, which is a 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.400 page right out of the civil rights playbook, right passing laws, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:28.720 let's go back to and fifteen Amendment, looking for people's 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.400 rights to be codified. That's one thing you can do. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.160 But after the laws are passed, you must remain attentive 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.880 and open the hearts and minds of people that that 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.840 law governs, or over a time it will be eroded. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.320 So fast forward fifty years from the civil rights movement. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:52.120 People are now trying to deconstruct those laws and take 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.080 the teeth out of them, one tooth at a time. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.960 So we made a ton of progress in civil rights 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.800 for people of col are primarily African Americans, we still 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.160 don't have an equal rights Amendment for women. We don't. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.880 We still have situations where we have sexual hassault and 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:16.240 harassment at work and other places. We should not tolerate that. So, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.600 whether we address the remedies through large companies who have 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.920 big blocks of employees or the laws on the books, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.960 that's going to be stepped to addressing the problem and 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:32.479 then acting to ensure that they are sustainable, sustainable solutions. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.800 We can't just have a one off solution, one program, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.760 one memo goes out to every company and then oops, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.080 we're done. I think not If we are not vigilant 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.800 and attentive on an ongoing basis, the movement will not 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.080 be sustained and the work that we do will not endure. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.440 But changing cultures is so hard. You know, we're talking 0:15:55.480 --> 0:16:02.239 about institutionalized misogynists and sexism, and really I think learned behaviors, 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.600 cultural conditioning. Uh, and how do you really do that? 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.280 I mean, I don't think diversity training is necessarily the answer. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.760 Sexual harassment training I don't think worked very well, at 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.320 least in my industry. And also I think that the 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.560 power powers that be are so invested in maintaining the 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.760 status quo. They don't want to let go of that power. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.800 So it just seems to me so challenging to go 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.120 from activism to action and really institute these changes. It's 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.600 really not I think at the end of the day, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.000 the powers that be, maybe they shouldn't be the powers 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.000 that be. Well, sometimes you know, nobody tells them that, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.040 you know, and even if they did, they're not going 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.840 to go anywhere. Well, we don't have to have them 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.400 go anywhere. We move them out and bring new people in. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.920 That's called voting in this country typically, But I'm even 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.600 talking about that. You know, the heads of companies and everything. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.640 Do we have to wait till they retire it or die? 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.080 I think, if I may, I sure we are living 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.439 a change in culture at this very moment, and I 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.280 think that no, we're not. No, No, companies have taken 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.840 the lead and said we're changing in these big, massive ways. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.160 But we have begun the cultural and mental shift among 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.720 ourselves as women in this country and on this planet. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.919 And I would say, I don't know about you, but 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.199 for me, for the women in my life, I have 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.480 seen an awakening in the women in my life just 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.639 to be able to a speak their truth, be know 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.360 that their sisters are gonna be there with them and 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:36.240 see just say, we are not going backwards. And that 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.320 is a cultural shift that I've seen in my lifetime, 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.840 and I think it starts there. We have to be 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.359 willing as women to give ourselves the permission to be 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.080 angry enough to say to say what the problem is, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.520 to call it what it is, and then to call 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.040 each other to action. And I think that comes first, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.720 and I think we are living that moment right now, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.640 and things like the confirmation of Kavanaugh are are exposing 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.320 this moment for what it is and constantly fueling that 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.360 awakening and that fire. We'll take a quick break now, 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.280 and when we come back, I'll ask Lisa and America 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.119 about how recent news has affected both me too and 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.000 time's up and America hence what might be next in 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:28.920 her career. That's right after this. Now, let's get back 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:34.440 to Katie's conversation with Lisa Borders and America Ferrara. So 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.320 let's talk about Brett Cavanaugh. In in many quarters and 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.800 in many offices in the U. S. Senate, uh Dr 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:45.159 Christine Blassie Fords testimony was discounted, dismissed, and in the 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.280 case of President Trump mocked. So how much of a 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.800 set back to the movement in general was Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.800 I don't think it was a setback. I think, you know, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.600 so much of what has happened um in the past 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.359 couple of years, starting with the announcement of Trump running 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:10.080 for president, was for so many people a painful awakening 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.920 and illumination of what so many other people have known 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.880 has existed forever. And and I think that things like 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:25.080 the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh are telling us exactly where 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:29.560 we are, and we can no longer kid ourselves about 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.200 what is happening and how it has happened and how 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.080 it has been allowed to happen for so long. If 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.600 you put yourself in the position that Christine blasi Ford 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.840 was in on that day, she was staring at a 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:48.120 panel of white men, that is not an accident, it 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.600 was It's like that by design. I think what Lisa 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.760 was going towards is we have the power to change 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.040 what that room looks like. Who Christine blasi Ford has 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.320 to speak her truth to. We have the how we're 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.080 to change that, and and I think we the first 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.520 step is reckoning with what is our reality Okay, this 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.680 is our reality. This is what the room looks like. Now, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.560 how do we take our anger with the view of 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.080 that room and change what that room looks like? From 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.000 times up perspective, We'd like to see systemic change, right, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.520 we want enduring change. So to that point, as we 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.479 think about what the Judiciary Committee looks like today and 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.840 what the Judiciary Committee could look like tomorrow. Because women 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.320 are more than fifty percent of the population here in 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.400 the US, but as we look at women running for office, 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.320 they are running in record numbers and they're winning in 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.639 record numbers. We were looking at some statistics just before 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.080 this together and we noted that if women win at 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.840 the case that they are winning right now, they will 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:55.000 be thirty eight percent of the elected officials in public office. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.399 That is an amazing number. Do we want more of horse? 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.359 But when we look today and see how many governors 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.200 are female, how many representatives, how many senators, And it's 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.000 not that only women can support women or lead women 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.160 or represent women, but we need those folks who are 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:19.200 centric and central and sensitized to what women need and 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:23.960 what women want and what we all deserve. We expect 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.080 not just in the mid terms here, but in twenty 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.760 and beyond that, more people not only will vote, but 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:35.000 they will vote for those candidates who understand what the 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.280 real challenges are and who will begin to reflect the 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.080 values that we all hold dear rather than the extremes 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.919 on either side. Frankly, it's interesting, you know, I found 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:51.160 it very disconcerting that President Trump, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.360 or in Hatch Marco Rubio, I'll describe female protesters at 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.159 the Capitol as an angry mob, and they're clearly using 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:03.159 it as a wedge issue to motivate Republican voters to 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.200 go to the polls in the mid terms. It seems 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.119 to me that time's up. What started me to end 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.119 time stuff, What started as a as a movement that 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.240 I think was for the most part universally supported and 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:20.240 seeing as unacceptably bad behavior just full stop, has now 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:24.480 become so politicized, and I'm wondering it can Can it 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.400 return to being an issue that's not a left right 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:35.399 issue but a right wrong issue. I'm so confused by 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.960 the notion that our lives and the laws that govern 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.800 our lives could in any way be separate from politics. 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.119 Like I my life has been politicized since I was 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.359 nine years old. I didn't choose to politicize my life. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.520 I was nine when legislation in California made it okay 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.480 for my teachers to pull me aside and asked me 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.080 if my family was documented or undocumented in this country. 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.920 So the notion that our day lives aren't completely linked 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.840 to the laws that govern how we live our lives 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.240 and what we are able to do with our lives. 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.439 I don't know how you de politicize the issues that 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.840 impact us every day, because I've never been able to 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.240 live it. And so maybe there are some people who 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.160 have had that privilege of living their lives devoid of politics, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.160 or at least the illusion that their lives are void 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.000 of politics. But when you're someone like me, you're very 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.200 aware that politics govern your everyday life. And I don't 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:37.760 know that we can separate women seeking dignity and safety 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.520 in their everyday lives from what's happening in the halls 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.960 of power. They seem one in the same two to me, 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.560 I'm with you, and at leasta, you know when I 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.640 talk to you about sort of the people who did 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:55.800 not believe Dr Ford or did not find her experience 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.000 even that really didn't even acknowledge that it ever happened. 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:03.960 And you said, you have an interesting technique of dealing 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:09.440 with people who are so hell bent on not listening 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.080 or not hearing or not seeing. Right, I do, Katie? 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:18.040 So may I try it here? Sure? Are you ready? 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:23.720 So let me invite everyone to close their eyes and 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.960 imagine that the female member of your family. Let's start 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:33.240 with your mother. Is it home and she is alone, 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:40.120 it is nine o'clock at night, someone comes crashing through 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:46.480 the door and begins to beat her and rips her 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:52.320 clothes off and throws her against the wall and gropes 0:24:53.280 --> 0:25:01.879 and rapes her. How do you feel open your eyes? 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.200