1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Guys, it's time for one of those good old fashioned 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven sports realignment round tables. We've got 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: the entire crew here. Blake Brockermrion Newist on the scene, 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: so of course he gets first introduction. But we've got 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Brandon Marcelo on board, we got Budd Elliott on board, 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: we got Chris Hummer on board, and guys, we have 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about. We have fielded questions 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: for the better part of two and a half weeks 9 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: now about everything from who's going where, what does conference 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: realignment even mean? And so let's just take a little 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: while here. There's no beginning and end. We can go 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: as long as we want to. But conference realignment. The 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: first thing I want to throw out, given all that 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: we know and all that we've seen so far, anybody 15 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: can take it to start is what has surprised you 16 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: the most in this whole ordeal. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: I'll take the first one. I think I'm a little 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: bit surprised at two things. One, how far ahead of 19 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: the curved SEC is. I think they're very forward thinking. 20 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: I think Texas and Oklahoma was kind of ahead of 21 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: the curve. The SEC was ahead of the curve, and 22 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: thinking ahead of future of college football and college athletics, 23 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: and then counterpoint that kind of maybe there's a surprise 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: factor involved, but how much further behind and lagging that 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: the other conferences are because you really haven't seen anyone 26 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: else do anything yet the PAC twelve, the Big Ten, 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: and the ACC and the only thing that you've really 28 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: read is you know, some of these teams want to 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: join the SEC. So I think the SEC is ahead 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: of the curve, and I think they're a little bit 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: more forward thinking than some of the other conferences are 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: right now in the future of college athletic. 33 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: Hummer and Marcello, I know both you guys would have 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: on the reporting end of this, have been on the 35 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: ground out there in Big twelve territory. So Chris, I'll 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: start with you and then we'll go to brand. You know, 37 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: what the fallout is is from a public perception, we 38 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: felt it, but behind the scenes out there, aside from 39 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: the obvious, which Bob bowlsby telling us he was taken 40 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: by surprise, what's been your biggest surprise in this whole thing. 41 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: I mean, frankly, the fact that the Big Twelve was 42 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: so caught off guard by this is kind of shocking. 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: It's not new that the granted rights is coming up 44 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five for the Big Twelve. The Big 45 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: Twelve that approached its partners oft ESPN and Fox I 46 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: think early this spring about potent you re upping kind 47 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: of that deal in the future, and both those companies said, 48 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: let's hold off, which is not a great sign for 49 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: the league in the future because if they're not only 50 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: to pay you more money now, when you approach them 51 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: about that, your members can get a little antsy. And 52 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: that's what kind of happened with Texas at Oklahoma and 53 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: from Texas perspective, like they were thinking about the future 54 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: of college athletics way back in the fall. Jay Hartzel 55 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: said as much last night at the Texas Capital and 56 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: the fact that the league as a whole did not 57 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: have any inkling this was happening is concerning for the 58 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: Big twelves future. And I do think that's a pretty 59 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: significant aspect of this. I know we've discussed it a lot, 60 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: like how crazy it is, Bob Bules, we didn't know, 61 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: but when that type of secret is kept for so 62 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: long and it catches so many other significant members of 63 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: not only that conference, but nationally surprised. It's a credit 64 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: to what Greg Sankee is doing, as Blake said, but 65 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: it's also kind of a significant move in the college 66 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: football infrastructure about where we're going because a lot of 67 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: these schools and a lot of these conferences weren't really 68 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: considering conference realignment until about two weeks ago, which, as 69 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 3: Blake said, puts the SEC way ahead of the game. 70 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Brenda, what about you. 71 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: I'm surprised, to be quite honest to a like how 72 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: crazy everybody has reacted to all this about Well, this 73 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: just means super conferences are coming, and this team's going 74 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 4: to go to that conference. Now, Big ten is not 75 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 4: going to expand unless teams come to them and they're 76 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: good teams, good programs that they're considering PAC twelve. Maybe 77 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: they'll consider things. But I think we're jumping to way 78 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: too many conclusions that we're just going to see this 79 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: massive realignment across the country. I'm not even so certain 80 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: it's going to be anything equal to what we saw 81 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: back in twenty ten through twenty twelve and thirteen. I'm 82 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: not seeing that because what you're seeing with Texas and 83 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: OU going to the SEC are pretty much outside of 84 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: notre Dame, the biggest blue bloods that would probably even 85 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 4: consider moving from conference to conference. And also when you 86 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: just look at all the details, especially when it comes 87 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: to ACC teams we talk about grant of rights, No 88 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: one from the ACC is going to jet from that 89 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: conference unless they're ready to just give up money for 90 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: the next fifteen years. The only way there is something 91 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: massive that happens is if something incredibly massive happens, and 92 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: that's like say the SEC just goes to you know, 93 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: ten of the ACC schools go hey, join us right. 94 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: Now, and that thing will dissolve. 95 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about your grant of rights 96 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 4: and have to pay a big buyout because that think's 97 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: going to go away. I just don't see us going 98 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 4: into this new era where there's going to be twenty 99 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: four team conferences and all that. 100 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 5: That's not going to happen. That is not going to 101 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 5: be the fallout from this. 102 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: But that when we talk about the gap and perception 103 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: and reality is where rubber meets the road. To me 104 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: and I know you guys on Cover three podcasts, you've 105 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: talked about this already multiple times. I've talked about it 106 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: on lyak multiple times. The fear at the very least 107 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: of perception, if not an outright fear for much of 108 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: college football is that's where we're headed. It's just inevitable. 109 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, it could be one month, could be two months, 110 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: but we're headed for thirty team super conferences. I've not 111 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: felt that way, but I know you know you've spoken 112 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: to people specifically in the ACC, and I think the 113 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: gap between perception of what's just an evitable and what 114 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: can't happen versus the reality on the ground in the 115 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: ACC of what is actually allowed to happen. Even those 116 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: two things, there's a gulf between A and B. 117 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 6: I pretty much agree with Marcella, and I know you 118 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 6: spoken about this on Lake Kick as well, Josh. The 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 6: granted rights in the ACC runs through twenty thirty six. 120 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 6: There is no exit fee in the ACC. If you leave, 121 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 6: the AEC makes all the money you could possibly make 122 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 6: off any sort of your your media rights. So all right, 123 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 6: go join the SEC. Give all that money back to 124 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 6: the ACC. That's not going to happen. If there was 125 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 6: some sort of massive merger between the Big ten and 126 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 6: the ACC where more than half of the ACC teams left, 127 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 6: I think then perhaps you know you could have a 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 6: dissolution of the ACC, but that's not going to happen 129 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 6: anytime soon given where we are within the granted rights. 130 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 6: I was somewhat surprised, kind of back to the original question, 131 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 6: that Texas and Oklahoma went when they did, since the 132 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 6: gor was still in effect until what twenty twenty five, 133 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 6: I believe in the Big twelve, So you know, they 134 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 6: kind of jumped about about four years early, which has 135 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 6: been good for them. I think it's a really good 136 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 6: business move for those two schools, But you know, jumping 137 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 6: four years early up in fifteen years early is really 138 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 6: a big difference financially for those schools. And within the ACC, 139 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 6: they're not going to add somebody. Just to add somebody 140 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 6: West Virginia from their internal calculations, would reduce the amount 141 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 6: made per school, not increase it. They view West Virginia 142 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 6: as a bottom half product in the ACC in terms 143 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 6: of viewership, and you're not going to add somebody to 144 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 6: the league that is going to produce your per school payout. 145 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 6: In addition to the fact that under the current structure, 146 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 6: it means you got to split the bowlpot fifteen ways, 147 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 6: not fourteen, and the playoff pot fifteen ways not fourteen 148 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 6: for them is essentially Notre Dame and whoever Notre Dame 149 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 6: wants to bring or bust. 150 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, to kind of circle all this back around 151 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: to where Texas and OU were, where the mentality was, 152 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: where their headspaces were at when they made this move. 153 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: Bud just talked about it, Brand has talked about it. 154 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole world's talking about when it happened. 155 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: And yes, it caught everyone off guard. But let's nail 156 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: down in the calendar here, because I think a lot 157 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: of people's heads start swimming. They work a normal nine 158 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: to five job, They check their phone five oh five 159 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: when they get in their car and they see what 160 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: all has happened that day, and they see a bunch 161 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: of TV track grant of rights and this goes to 162 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: this year, and that goes that year. And really what 163 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: they want is a nice succinct paragraph on here's what's 164 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: going to happen and when it's going to happen. But 165 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: Texas and know you, they chose to make the move now. 166 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: They chose to at least reach out the SEC, chose 167 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: to announce that they're coming in now. But that's only 168 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: part A. Part B is when is it going to happen, 169 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: and you've got one popular narrative out there that wouldn't 170 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: happen immediately. Don't worry about that nine figure number. It 171 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: will just take care of itself or the big twelve 172 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: will dissolve. So there are working theories in your mind. 173 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: What is given that we can't see the whole picture? 174 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: What is the what is the sharpest working theory out 175 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: there that you buy into on when this actually goes down? 176 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: I think it depends on who you ask. Publicly, Texas 177 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: and Oklahoma are very stepfast that they're going to be 178 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: there at the twenty twenty five. That is their lawyers 179 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: speaking through them right like you cannot, you cannot step 180 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: in the wrong pile when this is likely and out 181 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: a court at some point. So Texas and Oklahoma are 182 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: very step fast. Public good it's going to happen in 183 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. But I would be shocked. I'd be 184 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: shocked if it wasn't twenty twenty two, twenty twenty. I 185 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: use this analogy a lot, But like, you're not going 186 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: to live with your ex for four more years just 187 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: because your lease is there, right, Like, it's just not 188 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: going to happen and it's not going to happen for 189 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: Texas and Oklahoma most likely. These are two of the richest, 190 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: most powerful programs in college athletics, and there are a 191 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: lot of factors working behind the scenes with them to 192 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: kind of push this forward, because the rest of the 193 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: Big Twelve is not going to sit idle by and 194 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 3: wait for Texas and Oklahoma's to chill for four years 195 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: as it kind of just sits there and hopes something 196 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: lands in their lap. That's going to happen. The other 197 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: Big Twelve schools like Kansas, like an Iowa State, like 198 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: a Baylor, like a TCU, they're going to explore their options. 199 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're going to leave the Big Twelve 200 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: where the Big Telve is going to break up. I'm 201 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: just saying individually, those schools are going to explore their options, 202 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: as the Big Twelve will as well, with potential expansion 203 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: and other options laid forward in front of them. So 204 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: when you kind of combine all of those factors, it's 205 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: very unlikely that the static product of the Big Twelve 206 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: as we know it today and as is projected in 207 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, at least for the granted rights, will 208 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: be there. And if that product changes, which it very 209 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: likely will, it's unlikely that the league will stay together 210 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: for that long. It just it doesn't make sense. And 211 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: I think behind this sees people at Texas and Oklahoma 212 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: expect that to be the case. They get out sooner 213 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: rather than later, and people in the Big Twelve, frankly, 214 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: other athletic directors and people around the league don't expect 215 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: Texas and Oklahoma stick around a long. 216 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 217 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 5: Can I jump in real quick? 218 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 4: I mean I was talking to de bowen Loft in 219 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: the Texas A and M president when Texas A and 220 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: M was going through the issues of the Big Twelve 221 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 4: and then jumping into the SEC, and he recounted to 222 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: me just that one year they remained in the Big 223 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: Twelve and how hellacious it was just from the perspective 224 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 4: with their players going to these other arenas and stadiums 225 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 4: getting just absolutely heckled and verbally attacked. But also when 226 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 4: it came to Big Twelve meetings, he said that he 227 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: just didn't want to be in that room because it 228 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: was like he was just like this ghost in there. 229 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: They saw through him, but they also saw him as 230 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: something just completely scary, like you don't belong in here, 231 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: and they had no voice in the Big Twelve during 232 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 4: that year. It was almost just a complete waste of 233 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 4: time for everybody involved. He had to remove himself from 234 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: any decision making process that was happening in any of 235 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: these meetings. Said, it was just it was uncomfortable for everybody, 236 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: and if they could go back and do it again, 237 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 4: they would love to have been able just to leave 238 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: the Big Twelve almost immediately. So the idea that OU 239 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: and Texas are going to go through this for four 240 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: years is preposterous. I bet this is probably their last year, 241 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 4: if not two years, but I think this is probably 242 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 4: their last year. 243 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 5: That pick twelve. 244 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: We saw that last night at the Texas Capitol of 245 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: Like Bob Bowlsby was sitting three feet behind Jay Hartzel 246 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: the entire day and Bob did not make eye contact 247 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: with Jay, the Texas president, like the entire the entire day. 248 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: It was crazy. We had Mac Rhodes, Baylor's athletic director, 249 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: taking shots at Jay Hartzell in Texas from like twelve 250 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: feet away in the room. Like it's just a very 251 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: uncomfortable environment just there, And I can't imagine what it 252 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: would be like three years from now as they go 253 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: into the last leg of that kind of marital arrangement. 254 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: So I agree, it's it's just not going to happen. 255 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this is your wheelhouse, and so you've been 256 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: involved with the game as a player, as a father, 257 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: but you're also intimately aware of what the hole behind 258 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: the scenes picture at Texas looks like. And I'm very curious, 259 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: i'd what we've said here so far echoes what most 260 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: the nation thinks. On the ground in Texas. What are 261 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: people saying. I know there's a lot of high file 262 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: because you're about to head to the SEC, but when 263 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: it comes to this timeline, is it is widely held 264 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: a perception amongst Texas fans that we're going to be 265 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: out of here long before twenty twenty five, as it 266 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: is nationally. 267 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most most Texas fans and Oklahoma fans 268 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: think this will probably be the last year and the 269 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: Big Twelve. I mean, just exactly what Brandon said. It's 270 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: it's a you're in a lame duck situation. It's an 271 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable for everyone involved. You've got the two most 272 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: powerful schools and the Big Twelve that make up you know, 273 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: probably a minimum of fifty percent of the revenue that's 274 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: generated in the Big Twelve and they're not even involved 275 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: in the and the decisions going forward. So I think, 276 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, Texas and Oklahoma fans will be excited to 277 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: get out as soon as they can. And you know 278 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: with with the Texas governor now, the last governor was 279 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: an aggie, So I think that that always helps if 280 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: the school, let's leave in has a government that's on 281 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: your sides, with politics in their favor, and you know, 282 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: everyone kind of ready to move on to the next chapter. 283 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: I think the lawyer up and get this deal, and 284 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: I expect this to be the last year of Texas 285 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: and Oklahoma being the Big Twelve. 286 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Greg Sanki for a 287 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: second because this is the widest range of public opinion 288 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: right now. Greg Sanki, I mean, if we're talking pro wrestling, 289 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: terminology was about a ninety five to five face to 290 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: heal ratio. Until very recently. Everyone loved the guy. Even 291 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: people outside of the SEC certainly aren't chanting SEC, but 292 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: they looked at the guy as being the model for 293 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: what they would love their commissioner to be. Very forward thinking, 294 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: very proactive, very decisive. You know exactly where the conference stands. 295 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: Everyone's in lockstep agreement, at least when it comes to 296 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: front facing issues. And then all this happens, and all 297 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you've got a dark cloud on the 298 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: horizon and everyone starts to think, oh, man, behind the scenes, 299 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: he may have been a bad guy the whole time. 300 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: And then there's the fear about the SEC sort of 301 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: swallowing up a majority of the good parts that are left, 302 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: at least from watchability standpoint of college football. And so 303 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I've had mixed feelings on this because I don't like 304 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: necessarily the changes, but I also don't think it's torch 305 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: and pitch for a time by any stretch with Greg Sanki, 306 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: because I'm not so sure he's not doing the same 307 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: thing any of us wouldn't do if we were in 308 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: the position given the facts that he has. So I'm 309 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: very curious how you've observed sort of the evolution on 310 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: public thinking towards Greg Sanki over the last three weeks. 311 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 6: I mean, certainly, I think a lot of people now 312 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 6: are anti Greg Sanki. But from my perspective, conference commissioners 313 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 6: are paid by the members schools. Greg Sankie does not 314 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 6: owe any duty of faithfulness to any other conference or 315 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 6: any other school out there. He is paid literally to 316 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 6: do what his members want him to do. We saw 317 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 6: this at the exact same time basically last year with 318 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 6: Kevin Warren in the Big Ten. Was Ohio State matt 319 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 6: as hell they were going to cancel the season? Yes, 320 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 6: did most of the sort of the high and mighty 321 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 6: school presidents that are thinking academics and COVID concerns want 322 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 6: the season canceled? 323 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: Also? 324 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 6: Yes, right, he was acting with the majority of the 325 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 6: Big Ten schools wanted to do absent Ohio State. And 326 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 6: maybe what I think if I recall okay, yeah, Greg 327 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 6: sank is acting like this is what the members want 328 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 6: him to do. I think he's done a tremendous job 329 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 6: at the SEC. Honestly, long term, he could be the 330 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 6: Commission of college Football if we end up with just 331 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 6: two or three leagues here, Like it's not likely, but 332 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: it's certainly possible a long time down the line. He's 333 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 6: really good at what he does, and most of the 334 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 6: member schools seem to either want this or they don't 335 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 6: have enough pull, maybe like a South Carolina or a 336 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 6: Bandy to say, and I don't know if we actually 337 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 6: want this or not. 338 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Brand you've talked to Sankie very recently, I mean, what's 339 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: been your perception because you've been face to face with him, 340 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: but also just interested to get your general thoughts on this. 341 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: He's got an incredible poker face, and it makes me wonder, 342 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: like what other things he's always working on, not necessarily 343 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: with realignment, but just what his ideas are truly, because 344 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: it seems like he's got all kinds of things in 345 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: the background that he's always working on that he's not 346 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: ready to discuss publicly or even finds a way to 347 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 4: the gloss over. I think he's just done an incredible 348 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: job as the SEC Commissioner. I echo everything that but 349 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: it's saying about Greg sank I am interested in seeing 350 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: how he handles all this going forward, because, as you said, Josh, 351 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: he's kind of turned into this heel in college sports. 352 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: And man, I would love to see a cage match 353 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: between Bob Bolsby and Greg sank because you know those 354 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: two have worked together in secret, by the way, for 355 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: two years working on this college football expand playoff expansion proposal. 356 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: They're in the same room, same zoom meetings for hours 357 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: and hours discussing this, having nice laughs and everything. And meanwhile, 358 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: behind the scenes, Greg Sankei is plotting to take away 359 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: his top two schools and potentially put Bob Bolsby out 360 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: of a job that is about as devious as it 361 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: gets in college athletics, especially at that level as a commissioner. 362 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 5: And they've still got to work together. 363 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 4: By the way, when we're talking about this college football 364 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: playoff expansion, because that's the next big thing we're going 365 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 4: to be discussing these next couple months, is do we 366 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 4: actually move forward with this twelve team playoff expansion or 367 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: do we hit the pause button and look at reevaluate 368 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: all this Because one of the top voices that helped 369 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: develop this plan for two years part of that CFP 370 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: working group was Greg Sanki, who is completely changing the 371 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: game right now. But I love the way Sanki has 372 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: approached it publicly. He's going, cool, you guys want to 373 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: reevaluate it, then we'll just just stick with four. Then 374 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: I guess everybody's kind of just everybody's reacting on emotion 375 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 4: right now instead of actually long term business sense and strategy. 376 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 5: Because stick with four. 377 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: Go ahead, there's going to be a year if you 378 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: do so that the SEC has the three of the 379 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: top four teams in the playoff and everybody's going to 380 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: freak out, go, how did this happen? 381 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 5: Well, you didn't go to twelve. 382 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, there might be one extra SEC team in there 383 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: when you go twelve, but at least your conference is 384 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: guaranteed to get someone in there. With four, and the 385 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: SEC expands, you got less of a chance to get 386 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: in that playoff. So Greg Sanki is like ten steps 387 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 4: ahead of everybody else. And the thing is is I 388 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: don't see anybody trying to even catch up with them. 389 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 4: They're just kind of just doing their own thing, which 390 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: is kind of crazy to me. 391 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 6: I don't know that I totally agree with with Brannan 392 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 6: on that. I want to push back a little bit. 393 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: I think Greg Sinki almost pulled off absolutely perfectly. The 394 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 6: timing of the league to Texas A and M, and 395 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 6: Texas A and M obviously link into the chronicle, which 396 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 6: is what I think we're all assuming happened there. Reporting 397 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 6: process was if they had waited another couple months on this, right, 398 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 6: Texas Okahoma could have served the Big twelve with their 399 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 6: notice to leave after the season, after we had already 400 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 6: had a finalizing vote on going to the twelve team playoff, 401 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 6: after ESPN had already had exclusive ability to bid and 402 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 6: renegotiate that deal on the twelve team thing. 403 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 5: Now you have a lot of people in. 404 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 6: That room, I think other conference commissioners who somewhat distrust 405 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 6: Greg Sink because he was working for a twelve team 406 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 6: model that really benefits a super SEC that none of 407 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 6: the other conference commissioners in that room knew he was benefiting. 408 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 6: And ESPN is now going to be so in bed 409 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 6: with the SEC. Obviously they alreadywn the SEC network. They're 410 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 6: not going to have as much money to bid on 411 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 6: Big ten rights like we assume Fox is going to come. 412 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Right. 413 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 6: We don't know what's going to happen with the PAC 414 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 6: twelve or the remaining big close schools. But George Kraakhoff 415 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 6: of the of the PAC twelve just said, I don't 416 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 6: get why we're just giving ESPN the opportunity to be 417 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 6: the sole bidder on the PAC twelve playoff or excuse 418 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 6: on the College Table playoff. Why don't we open this 419 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 6: up and have multip people bidding on it, like the 420 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 6: NFL does if they had waited just a little bit 421 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 6: like if can you imagine if Greg Sanky pulled off 422 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: the expansion announcement of the SEC until after they had 423 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 6: put pen to paper on going to twelve. That would 424 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 6: have been just absolute gangster move that this is pretty gangster, 425 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 6: but that would have been incredible. I think he's going 426 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 6: to get some pushback though. 427 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: I think SANKI that didn't care. I think he's he's 428 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: fine with four and he's fine with twelve. I think 429 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 4: he sees things how they're going to be in four 430 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: to five. 431 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 6: I don't think would get three Brandon, because I don't 432 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 6: see it. 433 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: At some point, at some point it happened. It happened 434 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: at some point, guarantee it it happened. No way it 435 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 4: would happen that you have one law, you have a 436 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 4: you have a one loss team in the SEC West, 437 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: and then you have two teams that are undefeated to 438 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: meet in the SEC Champ chip game and it's a 439 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 4: close game. 440 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 5: I could see it. 441 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: Three of the top four teams when we look at 442 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: the we're looking at the landscape. Now, why wouldn't you 443 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: take the three of the top four SEC teams? 444 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: Well, even if you're assuming unbiased. 445 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: So we just let some, We just let some. 446 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: We just let someone in because they're not from the SEC. 447 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 6: Absolutely they would. If you don't think geographic diversity matters 448 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 6: for ratings, you're not, dude. If you have all the 449 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 6: teams come from the Southeast in the playoff. 450 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 5: All right, rating, I know, I know, I know. 451 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: We like to get in this whole thing about TV 452 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: ratings matter and all that, but the committee is not 453 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: going to sit there and go geography matters, TV ratings matter. 454 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: Let's just completely go against common sense. 455 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 6: We had a year where three and the four top 456 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 6: teams in any final ranking, we're from the SEC. 457 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: It's going to happen when you expand a six team. 458 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 4: You've got Texas and know you in there. Yeah, they're 459 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: going to have three of the top four teams at 460 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 4: some point. 461 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: So you're saying, so you're saying, like, watch one loss 462 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 3: Ohio Stata and one lost Clemson is getting left out 463 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: of the playoff just because three SEC teams deserve to 464 00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: make it that year. 465 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe lost the Boston Clempson lost to Boston College 466 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: and Georgia lost to Alabama. 467 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 468 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 6: Well, this is a point, though, Brandon, because if the SEC. 469 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 6: Or if the playoff it's stuck solely with the ESPN 470 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 6: and you didn't have other people who have an opportunity 471 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 6: to bid on it, then ESPN would control the message entirely, right, 472 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 6: which they do sort of now. I still don't think 473 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 6: it would happened, but like you wouldn't have anybody else 474 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 6: pushing back against SEC SEC SEC. 475 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 4: This idea that that people are just going to go, 476 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: we have too much SEC in our life. We're going 477 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 4: to pull out. We're not going to put three in there. 478 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 4: That's that's not how this committee works. I know we 479 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: all have our own little our little angels and devils 480 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 4: on our shoulders whispering things that may or may not 481 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: be true. But that's not going to happen with the 482 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 4: commit the committee. I don't care who's on it. 483 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: Well, Conference Championships is also still a consideration with the committee. 484 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: Like we can't we can't forget that as a determining 485 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 3: factor when teams are considered. 486 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: Even Chris, this whole TV network money thing. Again, this 487 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: is one of those very popular points that we see 488 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: covered by media a lot, and Blake, I'm gonna bring 489 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: you in on this too. This is something that's talked 490 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot about in our circles. But again, I 491 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: think it makes average fans head swim when you're talking 492 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: about whose contract runs through here and which players are 493 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: at the table. So right now, if I'm an average fan, 494 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: if I'm just hanging out into Peak of Kansas and 495 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm checking checking Internet a couple of times a day, 496 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: I look at ESPN and I what Bud just said, 497 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: And there's a possibility that, man, they just they just 498 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: take over the world. They own all of the major 499 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: contracts down the road, they got the SEC they may 500 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: have playoff And then you hear Fox sort of echoed 501 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: from another corner of the room. Let me ask you this, 502 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: are those when we look five years down the road 503 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: and everyone either has or is in the process of 504 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: reworking their deal. Are those still the only two name 505 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: brand players at the table? Or do we have players 506 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: come to the table by that point that we don't 507 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: even speak about right now. I'm probably speaking more long 508 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: lines of a streaming giant at that point. And how 509 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: does the PAC twelve, if they're still around in this 510 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: form Big twelve or the ACC work into that, because 511 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: then that completes the picture of college football like, how 512 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: does in other words, how do all these puzzle pieces 513 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: fit over the next five to ten years. 514 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you simply have to be one of 515 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: the best teams that college football. I mean, I mean, 516 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: right now, there's probably maybe ten teams that can win 517 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: a national championship, and so the vast majority of those 518 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: teams are in the South. I mean there's I mean, 519 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: if you look at the preseason top twenty five right now, 520 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: arguably three of the top five teams you know in 521 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: the New SEC. I mean, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia are three 522 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 2: of the top teams in the country right now. And 523 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: you've got Ohio State, Clemson and you know, I mean 524 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: they're always going to be in it as well. So 525 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: I think you've got to be a great team. The 526 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: Pac twelve's got to put a better product out there. 527 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: Ohio State obviously owns the Big Ten and Clemson owns 528 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: the ACC right now. So until someone can knock off 529 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: those teams, you're going to be talking about the same 530 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: teams for the next five or six years min of them. 531 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: Just with the way that the recruiting is going out, 532 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: I mean, the way college football is going is the 533 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: rich a getting richer, I mean, the best players are 534 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: going to the best teams because they have a chance 535 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: to win a national championship and be on the big stage. 536 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: And so until someone can can can knock them off 537 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 2: and prove that they can do that, then then I 538 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: think that's the future of college football. 539 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: From a streaming perspective, kind of jumping off what you 540 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: said earlier, I think that's that's a little bit of 541 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: hope right now from a college football perspective, Like the idea, 542 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: Fox and ESPN are going to be in the negotiations, 543 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 3: but I think they're hoping. They're hoping Amazon comes in, 544 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: They're hoping Facebook comes in, They're hoping Netflix comes in 545 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: and wants to have live sports rights. I find it 546 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: very likely we're seeing Amazon make a play for NFL 547 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: rights already, and live sports rights are still one of 548 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 3: the most valuable things you can have because one it's 549 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: one of the few things people will sit through the 550 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: commercials for, and two it drives cable kind of tiers 551 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: and packages. But there is a slight problem with streaming 552 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 3: that's a little different than cable and cable when you 553 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: are a network, you are getting money based on everybody 554 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: in the area, subscribing to that and the whole tier 555 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: rights of the package. A person buys in to an 556 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: entire cable tier and they get all of the ESPN 557 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: channels even if they don't watch them. And streaming, you're 558 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: dependent on individuals purchasing that particular streaming network, say Amazon, 559 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: because of largely their interest in whatever you're offering. So 560 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: I don't know at this point. I don't think commissioners 561 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,239 Speaker 3: know if the money from a streaming perspective is going 562 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: to be there in terms of like what they get 563 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: from cable. So that is an uncertain future with college football, 564 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: and it's an uncertain future ast to whether those kind 565 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: of large companies step into that space. But I do 566 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: think the anticipation is that and the hope is that 567 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: Amazon and those companies swoop in and allow kind of 568 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: the growth of college football to continue monetarily. 569 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, just real quick. 570 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: You know, you talk about the tiers and how cable 571 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: you know works. You know, people buy into something that 572 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 4: they don't even know they're getting, and that's kind of 573 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 4: how these ESPN, Fox Sports they make their money. 574 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 5: You know. 575 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: It's interesting you're starting to see that a little bit 576 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: with the streaming services, particularly ESPN as they get there, 577 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: trying to push their ESPN Plus format, which, by the way, 578 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: this new SEC is going to be one of the 579 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: big things they push on ESPN Plus, not only as 580 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 4: something you see on there if you subscribe to it, 581 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 4: but it's going to you're going to have to pay 582 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 4: an additional fee for some games like you see with 583 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 4: UFC pay per views. They're going to have some type 584 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: of pay per view events on there from the SEC. Well, 585 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: from all told, so anyway, going back to that, you're 586 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: seeing ESPN package ESPN Plus with their other streaming services Hulu, 587 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: Disney Plus of course, and they're trying to sell that 588 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 4: at a cheaper rate altogether. So when they start doing 589 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 4: all these negotiations there, then they go, well, we have 590 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 4: this many million people subscribe to ESPN Plus. The issue 591 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 4: is those people probably don't know it just because they 592 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: have it part of this bundle. So we're seeing that 593 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 4: kind of cable tier thing filter down to these streaming services. 594 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Now, you'd be fascinating world if in the future, your 595 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Amazon Prime membership was tied to also 596 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: your Amazon streaming membership. Just a little fascinating concept there 597 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: that's probably on the two weeks down the road now 598 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: that I mentioned it. 599 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: But we twitch is like the twitches like that? 600 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know how expert I am at twitch, Brandon, 601 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: So absolutely, I eat, sleep, and breathe twitch. But let 602 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: me ask this. I want to talk about fears for 603 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: a second, because a lot of fan bases out there 604 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of concern A lot up and down 605 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: the Big twelve that aren't named ou in Texas have 606 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: concerns right now. Your Iowa state, for example, has been 607 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: in a lot of headlines because it is will we 608 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: or won't we be attractive enough for the Big ten 609 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: to swallow us up or any other suitor that comes 610 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: to the forefront. I want to ask about that. Go 611 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: anywhere you want to. But then also, where does the 612 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: American Athletic Conference and other individual high profile G five 613 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: programs where do they stand right now? Is it a 614 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: net game or a net loss over the next five years? 615 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: Are the fears validated? 616 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 6: In other words, I think if you look at some 617 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 6: of the models for what the big twelves or ranting 618 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 6: teams would make when Texas and Oklahoma left, I've seen 619 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 6: nine million a year down from what thirty seven, and 620 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 6: I've seen twelve million a year. So that's not a haircut, right, 621 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 6: that's a decapitation. So I don't know this thing just 622 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 6: as a group of eight, we're adding a couple makes 623 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 6: a lot of sense if the Big Twelve and the 624 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 6: AAC were to somehow merge and form maybe a super 625 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 6: conference that we're not all thinking of. If you wanted 626 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 6: to win that league in a given a year, you'd 627 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 6: got to be pretty good. Maybe that could be a 628 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 6: viable product. But I that's a really tough question, Josh. 629 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 6: I think the those models that show how much those 630 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 6: schools are actually worth show how much Texas Oklaholma really 631 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 6: worth carrying that league, not for a win perspective necessarily. 632 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 6: Although Home you know, did text not so much recently 633 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 6: up it from a brand and viewership standpoint, I don't 634 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: think staying together there is very viable. 635 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: I think the AAC is is a lot better conference 636 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: than people give it credit for coaching it for two years, 637 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: and there are some quality teams in that conference and 638 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: quality coaches. But you know, if they added the Texas 639 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: schools and some of the some of the schools in 640 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: the in the in the Big Twelve, I mean, that 641 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: would give them a nice viewership in Texas. It would 642 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: give them a different some different time zones to work 643 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: out of. And I think also the PAC twelve. I mean, 644 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: if they wanted to look into the schools in the 645 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: Big twelve, you know, they could get a nice you know, 646 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: Texas base with the schools in Texas and and get 647 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: a different time zone as well for the PAC twelve. 648 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 2: I mean, the East Coast is as sleep by the 649 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: time a lot of these PAC twelve games start, So 650 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: it would give them be able to tear some games 651 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: and give give give the fans and time zones to 652 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: watch the teams in the Big twelve or the current 653 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: Big twelve play in. 654 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: So let me start to wrap it up. And I'm 655 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: gonna throw this out there, and this is the most 656 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: broad question I'll ever give you. When people talk about this, 657 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: they always end the sentence with Okay, but what's next? 658 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: And then every day you check Twitter, you look online, 659 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: and you get all this conference is whispering with that program. 660 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: Will this commissioner reached out to that commissioner and ads 661 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: are whispering And there's a lot of whispering going on 662 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: behind the scenes right now, man, I mean, if I 663 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: heard that if I heard twenty four to seven Sports 664 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: was potentially closing shop next week, I'd whisper to a 665 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of people too. That doesn't mean I'm going anywhere. 666 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: It's only natural to look out for your own self interest. 667 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: So with that as the backdrop, knowing what is publicly 668 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: being said already, what can we add on to this 669 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: and what should people be looking for? What's next? Brandon, 670 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I'll start with you. 671 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: Here's the thing for talking to administrators in the Big twelve. 672 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: One of the constant themes I'm hearing from them is 673 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: we need help. They don't know what their future holds, 674 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: and this could be absolutely devastating to some of those schools. 675 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: And you know, the idea that you know, a Kansas 676 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: could just reach out to a Big ten or West 677 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: Virginia could reach out to the ACC, It's not as 678 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: simple as that. And in fact, as Budd mentioned earlier, 679 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: those conferences really have no reason to really seriously consider them. 680 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: So I think a lot of these administrators they're not 681 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: just concerned, they're very concerned, and they're not sharing that publicly, 682 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: but behind the scenes, I think they're panicking a little bit, 683 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 4: and they don't feel like they have to you know, 684 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: figure this all out in the next couple of months, 685 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 4: but this is this next year could forever change these schools, 686 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: and not for the better. They're just trying to kind 687 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: of stay on track of where there are for most 688 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 4: of these programs, but a lot of these programs are going. 689 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 5: To get left behind. 690 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: And so for an example, like you know, I know 691 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: TCU's president athletic director when they're speaking the Texas Senate 692 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 4: hear and they're talking about how much money difference they 693 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: were making from the Mountain West to when they got 694 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: to the Big Twelve and how much of a difference 695 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 4: that's made. And you know, a school like that, if 696 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 4: this doesn't work out in the Big twelve completely folds 697 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 4: or stays away, it is that could revert back to 698 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 4: where they were at and no one wants to go 699 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 4: back there. And that's what the greatest fear is right now. 700 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: And that's something that might get overlooked until it's facing 701 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: us right there in its reality that this is whole 702 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 4: thing's dissolving and these teams might just be floating out there. 703 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Baylor. Baylor had been talking about a 704 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: new basketball arena for two national champions and women's ed 705 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: men's basketball for the last couple of years, they've been 706 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: privately raising money and macro'sa their athletic director, last night, 707 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: was like, I don't know if we can do that 708 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: anymore without the distribution from Texas and Oklahoma, and that's 709 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: that's a pretty significant thing. I do think it's all 710 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: on the Big Twelve. Bob bowlsby last night, and obviously 711 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: this is kind of a bias estimate from him, was 712 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: saying he only expects about fifty percent of that television 713 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: revenue to be lost from Texas and Oklahoma, So that's 714 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: about fourteen million per school. Cut your distribution down to 715 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: about twenty four million. And if that's the case, that's 716 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: a big if. I would say that tech the Big 717 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 3: Twelve when the eight remaining schools is still significantly ahead 718 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: of what the American Athletic Conference distributes for school So 719 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: that does still insulate the Big Twelve a little bit 720 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: moving forward. And I just think we're looking at the 721 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: Big Twelve all along, like over the next if the 722 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 3: Big Twelve can maintain and stay together, stay patient, kind 723 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: of put some pressure on Oklahoma to pay those buyouts. 724 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 3: I think the Big Twelve is in a slight position 725 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: of strength when you talk about it, either expanding the 726 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: league via poaching some American Athletic Conference teams or making 727 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: partnerships with other leagues for scheduling and kind of television 728 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: deals to kind of maintain their status and to kind 729 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: of keep their revenue at a reasonable level. But if 730 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: some of these schools start to panic, as Brandon said, 731 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: like there are people behind the scenes worried about where 732 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: they're going, and they turn their eyes toward another league 733 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: that's only going to take them. Maybe it's the Fact Twelve, 734 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 3: maybe it's the Big Ten. Who knows, Like, you could 735 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: see the league fall apart pretty quickly if even one 736 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: of those members besides the Bolt. So I do think realignment, 737 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: at least as we're talking about it right now, is 738 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: solely focused on the Big Twelve at least over the 739 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: next couple of months and even in the next like 740 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: year or two. 741 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: I think the future too, I think is gonna you 742 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: can almost look at it as having tiered championships, Like 743 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: there's some schools that are not going to win a 744 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: national championship in football. I mean, they simply are not 745 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: going to do it. So I think I could also 746 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: to see a system where you've got a different tier 747 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: system of teams that are playing for a different national championships. 748 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: You've got the Tier one group that are, you know, 749 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: the big schools that are competing for it now, and 750 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: you've got a group underneath them that aren't quite as good, 751 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: but that are are good programs that can compete. And 752 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: then you've got the teams that you know are at 753 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: the bottom of the food chain competing for their own championship. 754 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: So I think it'll be interesting to see how it 755 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: all kind of unfolds. I think, you know, the rich 756 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: are going to continue to get richer, and I think 757 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: you know, some of these teams have no chance of 758 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: winning winning a national championship in football, but could win 759 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: one at a lower level I think down the road. 760 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: I think that's something to keep an eye out on, 761 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: something that could possibly happen. 762 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 6: I think Blake brings up a really interesting point here. 763 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 6: And you know, we've had a lot of these teams 764 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 6: that have never had a chance to win a national 765 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 6: championship in football realistically over the past thirty or forty years, 766 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 6: showed no interest from dropping down a level because they 767 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 6: want to keep taking that check because it allows them 768 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 6: to fund other sports, right, maybe they want to be 769 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 6: really good in women's water polo. Or you think about Vanderbilt, right, 770 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 6: Vanderbilt's never going to win a national title. Their baseball facility, 771 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 6: I've been told, is better than a lot of minor 772 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 6: league baseball facilities. So you know, there is some benefit 773 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 6: that comes to these schools being in these leagues, and 774 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 6: they exist essentially for the purpose of scheduling convenience and 775 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 6: to take losses because somebody's got to lose some ball games, 776 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 6: and it's typically Mississippi State, Bandy, South Carolina, those type 777 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 6: of teams in the SEC. I'd be interested to see 778 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 6: kind of what the impetus is to actually get them, 779 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 6: you know, to drop down. But to a larger point, 780 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 6: I think we're going to have a couple of things 781 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 6: driving this. Chris's point about the Big twelve, I'd totally 782 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 6: agree too that are we going to see adjustments to 783 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 6: the twelve team playoff? I think one obvious one is 784 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: do we need to have the same number of auto 785 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 6: bids if we might be losing one of the Power 786 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: five conferences. That could be sort of a minor adjustment 787 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 6: that might let us go through with the twelve team 788 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 6: or on the existing or a similar timeline for implementation. 789 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 6: I also wonder do we ever get to a spot 790 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 6: where football breaks away and is governed by a different 791 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 6: structure than all the sports are, Because if you take 792 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 6: football off a lot of your Title nine problems go away. 793 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 6: If you could somehow legislate to where that they're not 794 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 6: governed under Title nine, right, then you have a rough 795 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 6: number of scholarship sports between men and women with all 796 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 6: your non revenue sports. I wonder if that's not where 797 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 6: we're going ultimately in this sport. And then at that point, 798 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 6: with that sort of reorg, people can kind of decide 799 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 6: if they want to play quote unquote big boy football 800 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 6: or not. And you can lie and say you want 801 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 6: to play it. If your intention is just to take 802 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 6: a check like some of the SEC schools clearly did 803 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 6: with the vote for Oklahoma texts coming in, that's fine. 804 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 6: We need people to lose games. But I just the 805 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 6: more and more we go down this road that the 806 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 6: disparity between football and all the other sports revenue was 807 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 6: continues to increase, and I think it may suggest that 808 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 6: we need sort of external governance for football that doesn't 809 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 6: apply to the other sports. 810 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I appreciate it. That's rep for our 811 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: realignment round table for Brandon Blake, but Chris, I'm Josh Paint. 812 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: Keep the buck on twenty four to seven sports dot 813 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: com for all the latest. Thanks, guys,