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Speaker 1: And we welcome you into episode number four of the

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Speaker 1: best podcast available. Athan said it four is the number

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Speaker 1: we haven't been canceled yet. They've asked us to keep

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Speaker 1: coming back. We haven't annoyed anybody. It's Gibbs, It's Gribbs,

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Speaker 1: It's Nathan Ziagura, it's Nick Shook, and it's time for

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Speaker 1: mock Draft one point oh. Based on the results of

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Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen NFL Combine one week out from

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Speaker 1: NFL free agency, all four of us have put together

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Speaker 1: our own mos up to through pick number seventeen. We'll

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Speaker 1: have a little conversation, we'll have a little debate before

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Speaker 1: we get into that. If I could one quick thought

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Speaker 1: from each of you on the two thousand nineteen combine,

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Speaker 1: other than the food being outstanding as it always is

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Speaker 1: and Zagura over indulging in tacos gribble, uh, my first

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Speaker 1: the combine, which I think is different than this time

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Speaker 1: last year. I think we got a better sense of

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Speaker 1: the direction of the quarterback derby that the Browns were

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Speaker 1: having at this time last year. But that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I think the Browns have a lot of areas that

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Speaker 1: the sense that after resigning Greg Robinson, I'm I've straight

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Speaker 1: away from that possibility being an offensive tackle. But there's

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Speaker 1: three big spots on the D three all three phases.

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Speaker 1: You can get better on the defense side the ball,

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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be plenty of options at number Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I didn't over indulge in tacos. I'm

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Speaker 1: more than carried my weight. Number two. It's great to

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Speaker 1: be back on BP. It's my second appearance. I what

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Speaker 1: an honor to be on two of the first four episodes.

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Speaker 1: Number three for the combine, it's just a totally different

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Speaker 1: experience walking around as a member of the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: organization this year than it was last year or really

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Speaker 1: any other Right, you've got some looks of admiration from people.

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Speaker 1: They're excited to talk about the Browns and we don't

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Speaker 1: even have to talk about quarterback at all. And I

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Speaker 1: this and go through it and really say, all right,

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Speaker 1: we kind of think we know what positions the Browns

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Speaker 1: to be there and what they're gonna do. Impossible. That's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's different when you have control over the draft completely

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Speaker 1: enough the first pick two years in a row. Now

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Speaker 1: you kind of stole my point a little bit. That's

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Speaker 1: where I was gonna go with but sorry, which is

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Speaker 1: now it's all fine, you went first. Not a scripted show,

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Speaker 1: but no. It was interesting, I think for Saturday to

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Speaker 1: become our Friday of the last few years. So definitely,

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Speaker 1: this might shake out, which there's it's just so deep

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was weird to not be in the

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Speaker 1: Absolute it was. It was nice. It was nice to

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Speaker 1: think of worse ways to spend a weekend. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: it worked out just fine. Can you also think of

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Our mock draft one point though,

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Speaker 1: so all four of us have put together our mock

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Speaker 1: to the Browns pick. You may not make trades unless

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Speaker 1: a trade has formally been announced. Let's kick things off

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Speaker 1: with pick number one, the Arizona Cardinals on the clock,

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Speaker 1: and right off the bat, we are divided, uh Gribble

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Speaker 1: they just invested. They traded multiple assets to get Josh Rosen,

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Speaker 1: back to the Rosen point where he he wasn't surrounded

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Speaker 1: And I just don't think it's fair to pull the

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Speaker 1: I don't think anything the perception this isn't even about Rosen.

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Speaker 1: that's an irration to go two years in a row,

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Speaker 1: just like I would say hiring Kingsbury would seem a

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Speaker 1: care about Kyler Murray. To be honestly, we have Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: That's all I care about. But this is what I

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Speaker 1: amazing that. Yeah, I think the world's like that. San

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Speaker 1: recently hasn't worked out. I just don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaures, and this is where all four of

427
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Speaker 1: our mocks. I'll go our separate directions. Gribbs, DK Metcalf, Zigura,

428
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: t J. Hockenson, the tight end out of Iowa, Nick Shook,

429
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, and Gibbs Joan Taylor. Gribbs will start with you,

430
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. A lot of actually three out of the

431
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: four of us have him going to Buffalo at nine.

432
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: What made you put him at seven to Jacksonville. I

433
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 1: just think they Yeah, I just think that he I'm

434
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: not the biggest fan of he came at honestly, but

435
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be considered the top

436
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: receiver from this draft. I think the Jaguars last year,

437
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 1: I didn't really like burn a pick, but they have

438
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: a stack defense and they drafted another defensive lineman and

439
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: he didn't really do all that much, and I think

440
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: they need offensive help. They probably, even though they had

441
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 1: a bad year last year, they probably think that they

442
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: if they get their quarterback situation solved, that they believe

443
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 1: they're a playoff team. And this is a big area

444
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: of weakness for them. It's been an area of weakness

445
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: ever since Allen Robinson got hurt and Alan Hearns had

446
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: one great year and then wasn't anymore. I gave him Hockinson.

447
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: I think when you you know, Tom Coughlin would have

448
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: to like, in my opinion, a hard nosed, great run

449
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: blocking tight end. They still want to be physical. I

450
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: would imagine upfront with Leonard Fournett in the backfield. Plus

451
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: he's a good pass catcher and a lot of people

452
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: think he is one of the safest prospects in this

453
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Speaker 1: draft to be a decade long starter. And I thought

454
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: for Jacksonville kind of fits that hard nosed mentality and

455
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: bringing that toughness back to their to their offense. Uh

456
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray from me because Jacksonville doesn't have a lot

457
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: of room to maneuver at the quarterback position. They got

458
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: a lot still tied up in Blake Bortles, and it's

459
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: very clear that he is not their quarterback now or

460
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: ever will be. And he was a large reason him

461
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: in the absence of Leonard for Nett, why they weren't

462
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: good last year and why they struggled offensively. And I

463
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: think the easiest way you address that is by drafting

464
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: somebody who you think can play immediately, And no one

465
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: brings more excitement at that position in this draft than

466
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: this guy. If everything is true about you know that

467
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: it's a done deal that Folds is going there, would

468
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: you still take him anyway? As a yeah? Because long terms?

469
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: How long? And I don't know he's good. I wouldn't say.

470
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't quite say that he's a bridge quarterback because

471
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: I think he's better than that, But long term, I

472
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: just don't see it there. All right? Uh? At pick

473
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: number eight the Detroit Lions, I hope that's Will Ferrell.

474
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 1: That's why i'd like it to be. As soon as

475
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: I saw this on here, I was hoping for Will.

476
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: I'd take him made overall feel Farrell the defensive end

477
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: out of Clemson. Gribble has him, Montes Sweat, Ziggura has him,

478
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: and Nick Shook with Rashawn Garry as well as yours. Truly,

479
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: I think he just says that we all know they

480
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: need a pass rusher to replace Zigianza, and who is

481
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: it going to be. We'll see how the draft plays out,

482
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: but I think we're all pretty much in agreement that

483
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: that's where they go, what if Kyler Murray was there

484
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: at eight, Matt Patricia wouldn't have an interest. He should

485
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: have an interest of trying to trade the pick then that, Yeah,

486
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: that would be the only interest out of it. Everybody

487
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: won't be there day. According to this he's there at seven,

488
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: but he's not. Yeah, it's like none of us really

489
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: want to talk too much about this pick because it's

490
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: like as Matt Patricia like sucked the interest out of

491
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: that team, Like we just don't they were he didn't

492
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: do much like you got a new look though, So

493
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: he's ready again for all of those Belichick disciples. Be

494
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: your own man when you go to your team. I

495
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: think he is being his own man. It's but I

496
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: don't know what time. I don't know what that is.

497
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he knows what it is. Off putting

498
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: at times. That's putting it nicely, to say the least.

499
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: They were just a lot of man last year, a

500
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: whole lot of man. Yeah, alright, we move on to

501
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: pick number nine. Halfway through our mock draft. One point.

502
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: Oh here, I'm Jason Gibbs, he's Andrew Gribble. Nathan zigirl

503
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: with you on our first mock draft post NFL combine

504
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills clearly needing some offensive weapons. Just to

505
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: ask all four of us, three of us with DK Metcalf,

506
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Gribble with t J. Hockenson the tight end to Buffalo

507
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: Gribbs the thought process, Yeah, I think they would have

508
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: taken Metcalf if he was here in my mock he

509
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: is not, So I'm going with the next best offensive

510
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: weapon and nets the Iowa tight end. Who It's just

511
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: I follow college football decent amount and I just I

512
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: I I can't believe that Iowa has two first round

513
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: tight ends. It's just like it's amazing because I just

514
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't have them both in the top six year

515
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: about this, Like it's the new Stanford Kitt Dallas Clark

516
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: back in the day. And it wasn't that they had

517
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: a bad year, but you didn't hear about these guys

518
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: at all colleges have tough times using tight ends the

519
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: way the NFL does. I mean it was when I

520
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: covered Alabama that I think I wrote like ten stories

521
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: on how does Alabama get O. J. Howard the ball?

522
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: More like they just it's just it's tough to like

523
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: work them into the offense with all the other stuff

524
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: you're doing there and get in touches to so many guys.

525
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: And those are two coaches who come from the same tree.

526
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, Farns and Saban both work together here in Cleveland,

527
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: and and they both run semi similar offenses, and it's

528
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: just a it's a matter of they run an offense

529
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: that you'd recognize in the NFL. But not. Now on

530
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: to pick ten, we go the Denver Broncos clearly in

531
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: need of offensive line help based on the four of

532
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: us uh Gribbs and Gibbs both with Jonah Williams, Zigura

533
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: and Shook Jowan Taylor need some help protecting one Joseph Flacco.

534
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: I also think Drew Lock could be in play here

535
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of people talking about how

536
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: infatuated John Elways with Drew Lock, which would that's almost

537
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: too perfect. I think his track records is not great.

538
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: I just have to say, after Haskins, after Murray, should

539
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks be first round picks? I know

540
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: that there was someone will be because someone will come up,

541
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: someone will get desperate, someone will think I've got to

542
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. Are any of these guys first round talents?

543
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. Let me throw this out there,

544
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if Daniel Jones ends up

545
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: on the Giant somehow, because there are a lot of

546
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: people that have been kind of making that connection. I

547
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: don't know if that means they trade up from the

548
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: second round back into the first, or if they take

549
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: some people think they might just take them the cut

550
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: cliff connection. Eli Manning is actually mentoring this kid already. Yeah,

551
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: we didn't mention that possibility earlier with the Giants. When

552
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: we all have them Haskins falling into that, what if

553
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: they just don't pick Haskins or a quarterback at number

554
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: six like Giants, an will just lose their mind, will

555
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: blow my lid. It's over. It just off the top

556
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: of my head. Done, I'm out, not your problem. Let's

557
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: go Brown's. But yeah, but with with my pick with

558
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: Denver here, I look at Jonah Williams. I put him

559
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: in the same boat as a Marii Cooper pick of

560
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 1: a few years ago and a who is the guy

561
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: last year Mike McGlinchey, where for months you overthink it

562
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: and try to rate all these guys above them, even

563
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: though these guys were clearly the best players in college.

564
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I think he's the best tackle on the draft. Uh,

565
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: just because his arms are a little short. I don't

566
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: worry about that. He'll be fine in Denver as a

567
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: left tackle. Yeah, not too chabby Denver. I think he'll

568
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: be with either one of those two. We'll say, you

569
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: could be a tackle, it could be a great car.

570
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a start. Remember the debates we had

571
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: about Marie Cooper versus Kevin White. People really wanted Kevin

572
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: White over Mary Cooper. Don't ever think it sometimes? Yep, yes, indeed,

573
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: all right. First, First, a f C North squad in

574
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: the mock draft. It is the Cincinnati Bengals on the

575
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: clock at pick number eleven, uh ribs with Rashaan gary

576
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: Zagura in Gibbs going Devin White the inside the third

577
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: person right now. I'm just gonna keep doing it. I

578
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: was committed to it so that I just said I'm

579
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it. Give this guy, guy, I know

580
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: what this guy knows a girl. He took Devin White

581
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: shook shook with t J. Hawkinson. So three defensive players

582
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: on an offensive player. Nick, I'll start with you. I

583
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: just don't want to be right about this at all.

584
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't want Devin right and if he's not on

585
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: the Browns, I do not want him in our division.

586
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: That guy is an absolute animal, and that's why Nick

587
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: has him going overall. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you're

588
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: using your bias in this situation. That's perfectly absolutely I

589
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: go tight end here because I think that there song

590
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: and dance with Tyler Eiford over these years and all

591
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the injuries unfortunately he suffered. I think it's about over

592
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna look to take the next

593
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: step of the position. They're gonna take the best tight

594
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: end available in this draft. Gribbs, Rashaan Gary, what to

595
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: make of him out of the University of Michigan, Him

596
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: and at Oliver both with the whole sitting out at

597
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: certain points of the season and just not having a

598
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: full auty of work good combined workouts. But where do

599
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: you see? He's a great player, and I wish I

600
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: could give you better analysis. But I also followed the

601
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Zigura line of thinking in this one, where I just

602
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: don't want to see Devin White in the division. Uh,

603
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: And I but I just I wanted to get him

604
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: to seventeen. But I literally I just couldn't do it,

605
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: so I at least took him out of the division.

606
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: And I just think the Bengals are probably with the

607
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: way this draft is shaping up, I could see them

608
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: just going to defense because they need help in a

609
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of places, and there's really not many other good

610
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: offensive players. I think that would be worth it that spot.

611
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: Devin White, he's just a special, special player. I think

612
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: we can all agree. Yeah, he's just like the a

613
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the player you don't want seeing around the AF like

614
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: the players we've seen to often beyond the Ravens, Bengals

615
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: and Steelers. Don't want him, don't want him there. All right,

616
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: we move on to the Green Bay Packers at pick

617
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: number twelve. I like that we skip the Dolphins forget him. No,

618
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my bad, I was jumping. We should skive

619
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: him anyway, my bed sorry. They're taking in. There's plenty

620
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: of time, they'rek it is this that we'll get. We'll

621
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: get'll get there. Green Bay with with some needs and

622
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Gribbs with the Devin White pick, just so they're not

623
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: in the a f C North Rashan Gary by Zagura

624
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: uh no offense, the tight end the other tight end

625
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: out of Iowa, Uh going to Green Bay and then Uh,

626
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: I had Marquis Brown, Hollywood Brown, go along Andrew and

627
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers just throw the ball up there. I feel

628
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: like that that could be something that I like that,

629
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: that's fun, that could totally go a different direction, I think.

630
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: But taking a look at the Packers, Nick no a fan,

631
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: pretty special player, this is kind of weird, is I

632
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: look at the whole group here, All these picks make

633
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: sense for the Packers, which is funny because a year

634
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: ago it was a shocker that they kind of fell

635
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: off in the way they did. Obviously Aaron Rodger's injury

636
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: contributed to that, but I kind of just hit me

637
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: now that they do have multiple needs. I went with

638
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the tight end again, back to back Iowa tight ends

639
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: at eleven and twelve for a similar reason, except for

640
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: this time instead of try and going taking the one

641
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: year flyer on the hottest free agent tight end. You know,

642
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: it didn't work with Martellis Bennett Jimmy Graham still there,

643
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: but it's kind of I think they're tired of that

644
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: and they finally invest in a young tight end and

645
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: kind of get back to the way they used to

646
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: develop their tight ends in Green Bay about a decade ago.

647
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: I like it. I think he's a good fit for them.

648
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I like that pick a lot. I just get him

649
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: up Gary. You know, with teams playing, you don't worry

650
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: about the front so much. The guy can rush the passer,

651
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: is a freak athlete and would help their defensive line.

652
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: And I just think Brown is another weapon for Aaron Rodgers.

653
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: Who's on the clock in terms of being I think

654
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: we can all agree, starting on the downside of the career.

655
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: And I mean not that he doesn't won't put up

656
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: great numbers, but you gotta surround the guy with weapons

657
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: at some point here and a young new head coach.

658
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: They're staring down one super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers

659
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: era pretty stoutly in the barrel right now. One is

660
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: more than none, But it's not as many as he

661
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: should as you would have thought, right, sure, and no

662
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: question about it. Pick number thirteen. Hey, guess who's on

663
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the clocks? The Dolphins? The Dolphins on the two year tank? Yeah,

664
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: can we all agree that it's a two year tank?

665
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: You can't you give him a quarterback that doesn't mean anything?

666
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: Is that the Trevor Lawrence Tank? Yeah? That doesn't mean anything.

667
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Tank for two and then the two year tank forever exactly.

668
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: That's what I for a quarterback, even though I have

669
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: them taking a quarterback this is this is like ignore this. Yeah,

670
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: this could be the Dolphin, but that could be the Dolphins.

671
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: That Drew Lock is the Ryan Tannehill of of I

672
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: think that this draft, except he doesn't have a receiver

673
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: as a background. As a receiver, I mean that they

674
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: we go nowhere with that pick. But you know we're good.

675
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: You gotta address the position of need and all good.

676
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: I like to throw on a little, a little something

677
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: difference helps the Browns get get a quarterback off, you

678
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: get a defensive player one spot down. So we don't

679
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: know who's going to play quarterback necessarily, whether it's Tannehill.

680
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: We think it'll probably be Tannehill, just because we think

681
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone. He's gone. What about the camp number,

682
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: He's gonna be gone. They're just gonna eat that cap number.

683
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they want to. Yeah, you

684
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: can want a tank, but like how much money brock

685
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: tyber baby, all right, you can thank you weren't here

686
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: for that. I know. So you guys all think offensive

687
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: line the place that Miami should really be focused on October.

688
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: It's one of the five important positions. Yeah, and and

689
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: get moving forward that when you draft your quarterback, you

690
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: already have a tackle. But I will be thrilled if

691
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: when the Browns faced the Dolphins that we are staring

692
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: down a Drew Lock led Dolphins, I'd sign me up. Yeah,

693
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. It's a fantastic Sunday that is

694
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: for sure certainly not a Sunday night. We can all

695
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: agree that is a one pm kick, not prime time. No,

696
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: not prime time. Uh. The Atlanta Falcons on the clock

697
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: at pick number fourteen. Uh. And a player that we've

698
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: seen mocked all over the board anywhere for um, you know,

699
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: early teens all the way into the twenties. At Oliver

700
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: the the guy that literally has a bubble head right

701
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: here in front of us on the table. Uh. Gribbs

702
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: and Nick Shook both going with that. Oliver and Grips

703
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: will start with you to state your case for at Oliver.

704
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: He's a great player and the Falcons would be fortunate

705
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: to get him at the four teen pick. They need

706
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: a lot of help at a lot of different spots,

707
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: which is crazy to think of a team that we

708
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: saw in the Super Bowl a couple years ago, and

709
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: I think they need some help on defense and could

710
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: even there's just no offensive players that makes sense. They're Oliver.

711
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: You figure out, you get him in your your program,

712
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: figure out what to do with him later. He's a

713
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, I saw. I think it was Daniel

714
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Jeremiah talked about how a lot of people felt that

715
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Oliver was a defensive end who was being blocked on

716
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: the interior because Houston was lining him up in the

717
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: wrong spot. He's very versatile. I think you can help

718
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: them both in depth and wherever they went ahead with

719
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: his defense in the future, no matter whether they tagged

720
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Gray year or not, no matter if they have Vic

721
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Beasley and them out there. I think he's a great

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: player that could add to a defense that really needed

723
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: to help. Last year. It was the main reason why

724
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: they struggled Rashaan Gary or at Oliver, who could be

725
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: the biggest headache for their respective team. I don't think

726
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: Oliver is gonna be a headache. Yeah. I think I

727
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: think the Oliver thing was taken stretched out of context

728
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: and everything like that. I think he he's hilarious based

729
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: on what I heard from at the combine, and I

730
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: think he's he's just he's a good player who's known

731
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: he's a really good player for a long time. He's

732
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: an aspiring entrepreneur in a unique way. The girl. You

733
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: have Brian Burns defensive ent. Now here's a guy that

734
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I know what Todd mcshay's mock. He has him going

735
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Yeah, but you have him going fourteen. Some

736
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: people have him going early. I think that they clearly

737
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: when they made the move last year to bring in

738
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Bruce Irvan, even though they had Beasley, who had a

739
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: down year last for only five sacks, and tech McKinley

740
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: said they wanted another pass rusher. Burns fits that bill.

741
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: They can kick Beasley inside, which they started to do

742
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: a little bit in the second half of the season. Uh,

743
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: and you're gonna Grady Jared's gonna get paid a lot

744
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: of money. I don't know if you put that much

745
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: money into two interior defensive lineman. And then the third

746
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: part this is that I want Christian Wilkins and and

747
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: at Oliver to be on the board seventeen. So I

748
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: went with Christian Wilkins just to throw a wrinkle into everything.

749
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: So it seems likely I keep talking myself and the

750
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: fact though that would they after paying Grady Jarrett that

751
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: much also take a second interior defensive linement with that

752
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: valuable of an asset that that's kind of what I

753
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: struggled with too. This is actually the hardest pick for

754
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 1: me to making this entire mock. And but I feel

755
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: like the Oliver picking, much like the Burns pick. They

756
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: kind of fit because Atlanta loves the stun up front,

757
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: they love the twist, They love to move the defensive lineman,

758
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: and you have to have athletic guys to do that.

759
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: And these are guys. Aren't you thinking that by the

760
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: time that you're gotta pay at Oliver some significant money

761
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: that it might be. It's just I look at it

762
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: as a very as a as a investment because of

763
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: the first round pick, like it's a valuable asset, do

764
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And you're still getting and

765
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: by the way, I know you said Mischee Adam Jeremiah

766
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: had Burns going fourteen to the Falcons. It's all over

767
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: the map, that's so Jeremia all said at Oliver in

768
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: the twenties, Good so great. Wilkins nineteen at Oliver twenty

769
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: one exactly, can we all maybe that this Falcons pick

770
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: could really set the table for where the Browns are

771
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: going to go at seventeen. I know that you've got

772
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: Washington and Carolina, you know, between the two, but Atlanta,

773
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: with similar needs, especially on the defensive front, could kind

774
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: of dictate where we end up going. I do think so.

775
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I think it definitely. Yeah. I mean it's just it's

776
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: it's still too tough because I don't you guys have

777
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: a couple of you have quarterbacks going to Washington fifteen.

778
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I just that wouldn't make any sense to me. And

779
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: I get where it makes sense, but I don't so

780
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: I could see that I'm a most taking a defensive

781
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: player that we would want. Washington, Washington, Carolina are just

782
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the unknowns I think right now, and really a lot

783
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: of this draft it is. I mean, it's just really

784
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: hard to kind of none of us are. I felt

785
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: like it was a thousand piece jeeg saw puzzles. It's

786
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: foreign territory for us. Yeah, yeah, we're used to having

787
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: already what's going to happen here, but sometimes one hand

788
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: for but with fifteen, I can just get started talking

789
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: about why I don't think they're taking a quarterback. I

790
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: think they're one. They are oddly enamored with Cult McCoy

791
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: and think he can get them through this this upcoming

792
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: season if Alex Alex Smith can't play, which we don't

793
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: think he will too. Are you really gonna make this

794
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: franchise changing pick and really put all your eggs in

795
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: the basket of a quarterback you're taking. I just I

796
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: can't get on board with that. In an underwhelming quarterback class.

797
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: I just think that Washington for some reason, probably thinks

798
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: they're a piece or two away, even though they probably

799
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: aren't and are probably gonna look for a starter right away. Well,

800
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: we from the quarterback delegation say that you can sit

801
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: this quarterback behind Colt McCoy if you so desire that

802
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: he can be your guy beyond Alex Smith. What a mentor.

803
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean think about though, because you don't know where

804
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Alex Smith is health wise. I mean, he might be

805
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: done done. We're not really sure yet. It's a long

806
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: time until we figure out where he is. Cult McCoy

807
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: is now. But this guy can be your guy in

808
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: the future. I think a lot of it depends on

809
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: what they learned about Alex Smith in the next month

810
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: or two. But face it, he's not getting any younger either. Done.

811
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: I could see them going for quick I can I'll

812
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: see them trained for Josh Rosen after Kyler Murray goes right.

813
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: That would make more sense to me because at least

814
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: you could. I think he's a better quarterback. I just

815
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: gave him quarterback in here girl. By the way, had

816
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: Drew Lock Yeah, shook head, Daniel Jones, I had at

817
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: Oliver gribblehead, Brian Burns. I don't think they will go

818
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: into your defensive line because they went to Jonathan Allen

819
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: went two years ago. Yeah, but they listen, they could

820
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: do anything. They could all take a remediate mcshae just

821
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: had him taking Hollywood Brown. I think I think they're

822
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: still in the Antonio Brown sweepstakes too. There you go, weird,

823
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: weird moment for that franchise. It's just it's just I

824
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: mean that that injury was brutal and devastating, and they

825
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: weren't really lighten the world on fire offensively to begin with.

826
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, you lose if you think about for

827
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: that season. Darius Guys was supposed to be a centerpiece

828
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: of their offense. He goes out before the season starts,

829
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: and I know they have big plans for him this year,

830
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: but he's out. Then all of a sudden, Alex Smith's down,

831
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Reid's always hurt, Dots And was hurt, Crowder was hurt.

832
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Tho they've all gotten hurt in a year where the

833
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: NFC East was being up for grabs. It was right.

834
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I think they would have won the division if if

835
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Smith's was healthy, even with all those other injuries. Maybe

836
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: that's possible alright. Pick number sixteen, the pick before the

837
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns otherwise known as the Carolina Panthers. Pick Gribbs.

838
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: You had you want Taylor Zagura, no offense shook Andre

839
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: Dillard yours truly with t J Hockenson. Two tight ends

840
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: too offensive linemen, Carolina needing weapons and maybe to keep

841
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: Cam Newton from lying on his back. I just think

842
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: you've given them a guy you've got, you know, Greg

843
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Olsen if he does come back, if he doesn't end

844
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: up broadcasting, is near the end of his rope. It

845
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: was obvious how important the tight end is the Cam

846
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: Newton in that offense once he went out, so I

847
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: got him a tight end. They can run the field.

848
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: He's fast and I think would fit nicely. It also

849
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: gives them the flexibility with Olsen to run a lot

850
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: of two tight end sets, which is probably their best

851
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: set right now because McCaffrey's kind of an extra receiver

852
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: on the field even though he's a running back. They

853
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: got the receiver d J. Moore, who I like a lot.

854
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that kid is gonna be very good. They

855
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: probably need one more receiver to compliment him. And then

856
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good offense with a good diversity and

857
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways they can hurt you. So

858
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I thought Fan made a lot of sense, gave Cam

859
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: Newton what he utilized as well, and clearly the tight end.

860
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: When he has a good one, he's very good, and

861
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: when he doesn't, it hurt him last year. Yeah, I

862
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: think that's a good point if he get addresses. I

863
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: like that pick, even though I didn't go that direction, Like,

864
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: but he was off the board for you. I'm not

865
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna take the third tight end in this class. I

866
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: don't even know who that is. Let's go with the tax,

867
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: so we went all offense. Basically makes us feel good

868
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: that you're you're getting the player you want, no matter

869
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: what the Panthers do. Probably, yes, I like that. On

870
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland rounds. Finally it picks seventeen. What thirty

871
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: on draft night? Maybe probably, I think? But did we

872
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: hear nine fifty? I thought that was awful early? I

873
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: guess that's when the seven team think was made last year. Okay,

874
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: it's early, Like how many teams have burning clock all

875
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: the way down? We milked a lot of clock on

876
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: the number one. Let people think about a little longer.

877
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: All right, we'll go around the horn here, Gribbs. You

878
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: have Christian Wilkins, defensive tackle Clemson. You're thinking and your rationale.

879
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: I think at that point in the draft, he is

880
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: simultaneously the best player available and also the player who

881
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: fills one of your biggest needs. I think interior pass

882
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: rush is so much more important than it even used

883
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: to be. Aaron Donald has been kind of a game

884
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: changer and spurring that movement. Teams are getting the ball

885
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: out quicker. You need to get to the quarterback the

886
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: fastest path possible through the middle. You put him next

887
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: to Larry Ogen Joe he suddenly you've got something really

888
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: promising where both defensive tackles had the ability to rush

889
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the pastor Nick Shook you also with Christian Wilkins here

890
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: at pick number seventeen. I think had a great summary

891
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: there on on this and and just from being at

892
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: the combine and standing at his podium and listening to

893
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: the guy talk and his teammates talk, they love him.

894
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: His tape backs up, you know everything we think about him,

895
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: and and I thought he had a great personality, and

896
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: he just seemed like a guy who's going to step

897
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: in and be prepared to handle the job like a

898
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: professional and like a guy who's wise beyond his years

899
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: from day one. I think that's exactly who they could

900
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: use at that position, and at number seventeen, I think

901
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: they'd be getting a great pick for both of you guys.

902
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Oliver is off the board. If Oliver and Wilkins were

903
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: both on the board, what would you do, I'd probably

904
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: take Oliver. Yeah, I agree, all right. So that was

905
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: the situation I was confunded with. I mean, the bobble

906
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: has been here. I feel like it's a it's a sign,

907
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: So let's go at Oliver, come on, come on your

908
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: guy respectively to pick number seven. I'd be fine with Wilkins,

909
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I find I'm fine with any of this, this is all,

910
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: this all makes me happy. Byron Murphy. I mean, look,

911
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the good news is we have a guy pulling the

912
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: trigger that I think we all have a lot of

913
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: belief on. As Gribb says, he's on a heater with

914
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: his first pick in the draft, and you never walk

915
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: away from a heater. So let's go. I did go

916
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: with Byron Murphy. Gribb said, please don't tell me that

917
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: you're not taking Wilkins or Oliver said, no problem, I

918
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: will come up with someone else for you. I just

919
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: think defensive back is in play, especially for you know,

920
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: we saw great things from Denzel Award, but you need

921
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: a guy on the other side. And you know, God

922
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: forbid Denzel Ward gets a concussion again or has misses

923
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: any time, you really don't miss a lot because you

924
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: still have a shutdown corner on at least one side.

925
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: Ball Hawker, smart, intelligent kid. I just think makes plays

926
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: and it could make a lot of sense for Dors.

927
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: The cornerback position is one of like the least plug

928
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: and play friendly positions on the field. When injuries hurt,

929
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: like you, you lose a guy and all of a

930
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: sudden you are in trouble. Like, you get it, you

931
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: get exposed in a big way. So I like that

932
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: pick that you make their I'll bring up this point though,

933
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: if there's been a lot of debate on which Clemson

934
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: defensive tackle should the Browns take a seventeam between Wilkins

935
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: and Dexter Lawrence, do you guys see any argument for

936
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the other guy, for Dexter Lawrence at this spot in

937
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: the draft. I'm a big fan of Wilkins. I again,

938
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: like I say, I trust the man over there. It

939
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: seems again this is just it seems that Wilkins has

940
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: separated himself. Well, there are two different players, right. Lawrence

941
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: is a run stopper, and I think for me, you

942
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: when I hear John Dorson, what he says is I

943
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: want to have four pass rushers on the defensive line,

944
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: so I want that style, and to me, that's Wilkins,

945
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: that's an at Oliver. Yeah I would agree with that. Yeah,

946
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with that. But going back to

947
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: the Murphy point, I think he's my top corner in

948
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: this draft. I know some people who had Greedy Williams, uh.

949
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Some other people had DeAndre Baker. You know, who is

950
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: he going to be in that group, you know, living

951
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: in on the West Coast. Before I came here, I

952
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: got to see a lot of packed Wall football, which

953
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: is it's kind of an experience, and I see a

954
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: lot of Washington. It's not anymore, but I got to

955
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: see a lot of Washington football. And Murphy is a stud. Now.

956
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: They say he's a little small. He plays kind of

957
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: like Denzel A. Ward does. He plays above his weight.

958
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: He's put on some weight since he went to the

959
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: combine and ran a little bit slower for you than

960
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: people expected. But he is so natural, so fluid, and

961
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: and has a lot of the same traits that made

962
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward an attractive prospect. And not saying they're saying

963
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: they're the same player, the two different guys. But I

964
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: think he's probably got the fastest track to success in

965
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: the NFL among those corners in this draft. I feel

966
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: like Washington is the new like corner North Carolina in

967
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: terms of NFL players that are highly drafted. That is

968
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: disproportionate to the success your program is having. Obviously they

969
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: went to the playoff a couple years ago, but it's

970
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: just they should be doing more of these guys. They've

971
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: got so many NFL guys that keep coming out of

972
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: there every think. I also think that they suffer from

973
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a lack of conference strength, because they're still a pretty

974
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Y're really good. It's just that they don't hear a

975
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: much at all. Of a sudden, they just keep I

976
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: think they've got three or four guys in Jeremiah's top

977
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: overall fifty. Yeah. I mean, if this is a talented

978
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: team and these are good players, you need twenty two

979
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: guys out there their hearts out. That's right. Only two

980
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers, two tight ends, no running backs going anywhere

981
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: between two and three quarterbacks going hopefully four goo. I mean,

982
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: it's always possible people. People lose their minds when it

983
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: comes to the draft, and look at that position a

984
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: lot to a lot to get to and a lot

985
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to still uncover as we work our way towards the

986
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: two NFL draft. Gentlemen, mock draft one point out in

987
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: the books, glorious. When should we do a second one? Gribbs,

988
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: like three weeks before the draft and okay, regroup right

989
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: before the draft. I think after change is going to

990
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: change needs. Yeah alright, alright, that works for me, gentlemen,

991
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,160
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992
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,440
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