WEBVTT - Rich Russians Keep Dying 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.080 Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires? 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.640 Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.360 he hanged himself, fell out of. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.520 A window, slashed his wrists, was poisoned, murdered his whole family. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.799 Last gm, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.239 the space of nine months. Many of the deaths are 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:27.120 suspicious with links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach, 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.400 an investigation into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:37.480 by me, Jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.559 Oligach is a h eleven production for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.560 As we know, many rich Russians have died in mysterious 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:58.120 circumstances between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. Not 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.160 every one of them warrants a full episode, but either way, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.840 me and SERGERI wanted to weigh up and take stock 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.560 of the cases that didn't make the full list. Honestly 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.880 getting ridiculous how many people have started dying in these 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.120 rich Russian tycoon circles. As well as that since we 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.360 launched this show three months ago, several more people within 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.240 this world have fallen out of windows, gotten sudden heart attacks, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:28.160 and even died of cancer instantly surgery and me raked 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:33.800 over the strange Russian millionaire deaths the last twelve weeks 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.200 since we've been doing this, I've been getting pings. You've 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.440 been getting pings. People are like, oh, look, another one, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.480 another one. Like it's almost become this joke. Some of 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.960 them it's like, ah, whatever, but others it's quite interesting. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.040 So I think let's talk about the people that have 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:57.680 died in mysterious circumstances that are kind of linked to 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.160 all of this sad oligarch scenarios since we've been doing 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.040 this series. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.760 So who would the first one be? 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.120 I think the one guy that was interesting if you 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.480 look at December seventh, twenty twenty two, Kragory COCHINOI. So 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:18.079 he was basically like a young guy working in computer services. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.120 I think it was a key, and he spoke out 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.600 against Russia's invasion in Ukraine. All of a sudden, accused 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.639 of having child pornography, his house was being searched, and 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.680 then while while it's being searched, he jumps from his 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.600 balcony and dies. The investigation says Oh, he was really embarrassed. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.200 He was like, oh, I'm got right handed, so I'm 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.040 going to kill myself. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.320 Now, this tech tycoon gurgor Ycoaching of might well have 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.680 been a pedophile. If that's true. Nothing of value was 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.680 lost when he jumped to his death. However, no evidence 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.280 of him having child sexual abuse images on his computer 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.200 has actually come out other than the word of the 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.280 Russian authorities, and as we know, they're often less interested 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.840 in justice, more interested in following the orders of the Kremlin. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.360 What's also worth noting, perhaps is that this happened in 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.720 the high market nisney Novgorod area of Moscow, a place 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.440 several of these unusual deaths have occurred. Now this could 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.280 just be because that's where rich people live, or there 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:20.440 could be another reason. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.600 He was basically really big in the at sphere of Russia. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.960 He was working on like different applications. I think some 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.440 of them were for the Russian government, some were just 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.280 used by the Russian government. And then his biggest thing 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.440 is his biggest mistake was speaking out against the Russian government. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.960 A lot of his co workers and friends actually fled. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.920 I saw one was in Georgia. A couple like around 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.440 Europe and they were saying, like they told them to leave, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.160 that he just didn't listen, and that's basically what happened. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.320 You know, speaks out against Russia all of a sudden, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.360 he's blamed for some thing, in this case owning sheild 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:07.839 pornography and stays there searching his house, and according to them, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.760 he just jumped off the balcony himself. You know, a 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.720 lot of these things can be assisted, and there's not 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.080 like that indicates that he was like very deep with 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.719 the government, but there seems to be a bit of 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.200 overlapping of him his services being like used for the 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.440 Russian government. It seems like speaking out against the invasion 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.640 is at least several of these instances had people killed. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.599 So the guy in India December twenty fourth, Pavel Antov, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.599 he was a politician essentially, he was pretty rich. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.200 He was a millionaire himself. He wasn't really in with Puchin. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.520 He was powerful in his own way, having money and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.120 being kind of influential in that way. He was in 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.640 enemies with Puchin, but he wasn't exactly in the boys club, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.279 but he was kind of tolerated. But according to the news. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.080 Articles, he spoke out against Puchin. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.799 He spoke out against the w saying it's bead for business, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.640 and he takes a trip to India. Then at first, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.719 if you remember, two days earlier, his friend or travel partner, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.240 Latimar Ridenov dies also in the same hotel, in this 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.440 case from hard complications, and two days later, pavel Antov 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.320 is found dead after falling from a third floor balcony, 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.159 which is also kind of interesting. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.320 I mean, third floor can be relatively high. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.200 But I don't know, kind of seems interesting that you 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.200 would choose to take your life from the third floor. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.120 And his friend died in the same hotel. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:41.680 Exact same hotel two days earlier, hard complications, surrounded by 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.640 one bottles is what they said. Kind of alluded that 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.440 maybe he was an alcoholic. He was drinking after he died. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.080 Bible himself actually said like this is really suspicious, Like 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.159 he doesn't think you know that this is normal. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.720 He demanded that the police investigate and stuff. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.800 And then two days later he's the one dying from 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:02.960 a third form balcony. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.640 So Russian millionaire businessman and politician pavel Antov dies falling 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.359 from a window not long after criticizing Putin for his 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.279 invasion of Ukraine. This happened two days after his friend 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.000 died of alleged heart problems in the same hotel, and 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.120 Toov said that was suspicious, and then he died himself. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.200 At the same time, other rich, influential Russians were also 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.599 dying even better. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.839 On the same exact same day, December twenty fourth, that 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.640 Pavolantov died, two other guys died. Alexander Buzakov sixty six 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320 years old, you know older, but people said he's in 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.240 relatively good shape. He was actually like part of the navy. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.320 I didn't quite understand if he was like, you know, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.159 record ranking officer or he was more on the research 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.880 slash procurement side of things. But basically he was in 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.279 charge of lunching a submarine and he had some issues. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.200 But then the navy he fail to be up to 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.039 standard and he dies of a heart attack. People said, basically, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.839 he was out for a walk, he had a heart 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.000 attack and somebody found him already dying. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.200 They couldn't save him in time. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.760 And then there was another one, another rich Russian, dying 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.200 at exactly the same time. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.320 Alexey Maslov, also same exact day, in the summer twenty 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.160 fourth dies at a military hospital near Moscow. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.400 No death, no cause of death was provided. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.160 Right, this guy also involved with the military, same thing 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.760 kind of failed to give results, and he's dead the 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.240 eACT same day, December twenty fourth. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.320 The guy folls out the window. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.520 The guy dies in the hotel, and then this happens 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.040 like what within the space of how many dies two days? 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.720 So the summer twenty second is the first guy who 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.560 allegedly dies from heart complications, and then on the summer 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.560 twenty fourth it's tree deaths on the exact same day. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.720 Come on like that. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.360 I mean, there's so many coincidences in this series that 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.880 to me feels like someone has said, hey, let them 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.680 know all on the same day. I know, it's kind 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.320 of it sounds comical at this day, so much madness 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.160 has happened, though, it's like, yeah, why not. It's like 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.640 in a Breaking Bad where Wall is like, right, we 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.800 have to kill all of the possible informants in the 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.480 prison in the exact same hour, like to kind of 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.040 prove the point, like I can get you. It feels 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.960 very like calculated, you know what I mean? 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.120 Yeah, yeah, It's like I think you've seen those things 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.480 where they say, like sometimes you have to dumb the 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.600 movie down because like the reality is too it's too 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:38.320 hard to believe. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:39.480 This is what kind of feels like. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.480 It's like the bad guy like sends out the hit 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.640 and he's like get it done. Everybody like sets in 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.520 emotion like okay, let's do this movie. Ask and you 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.120 see a little montage of this happening. It's like it's 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.440 just again. I think if you just tell somebody this 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.840 to be like yeah, okay, like sure, yeah, be serious. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.120 Like it's like yeah, like the clock is take in 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.840 the background and you see each scene like boom boom boom, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:23.840 each hit. But I mean, so much weird stuff has happened. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.120 What's been looking at this? 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.280 The thing I noticed with recent cases is there's a 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.400 lot less information. I don't know if it's intentional, if 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.880 people are getting tired of it, but I'm finding it 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.080 a lot harder to actually find articles on it. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.240 It's covered a lot less. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.400 A lot of the articles will say oh, we're going 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.920 to have an autopsy done or examination done, and there 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.120 will be like news in two, three days whatever, and 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.440 I can't really ever find those updates. In a similar case, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:58.160 there's on May twentieth Kuchenko, pretty young guy, forty six 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.600 years old, Deputy Science min of Russia. It's a pretty 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.640 high position. Falls ill on a flight from Cuba to Russia. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.360 They claim that it's a hard condition, but what do 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.120 we know. A couple of months earlier, a Russian journalist 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.960 who's like he's like hiding from the Russian government too, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.640 says he talked to this guy and that he complained 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.360 about Russia, and he was very famously quoted as saying 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.760 Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a fascist invasion, a big 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.480 no no to say about Russia's special military operation. And 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.480 then like and then this happens a few months later, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:38.600 he's dead. So you know, clearly, I think complaining openly 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.240 and kind of not distrust but kind of going against 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.400 the narrative is very not Okay. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.839 Well, it's interesting, like you were saying at the start, 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.840 this in the start of the kind of climeline, you know, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.959 you could look at it and okay, Leonid Shulman, there 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.760 was you know, quite a lot of information same with 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.080 to you look of. And then as it gets more 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.040 and more and more, suddenly the Russian media is no 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.840 longer interested. Now whether that's because they're realizing. Ah, like 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.720 the tide has changed after the Ukraine War. I mean 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.960 Russia was never particularly open, you know, with press freedom 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.720 by any stretch, but certainly things have got a lot 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.240 harder after the Ukraine invasion. So whether it's the press going, oh, well, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.120 we're best just if it looks like maybe the government 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.880 or someone tied to the Oligas did this, maybe for 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.680 our own cel preservation, it's best just to keep quiet. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.360 Maybe it's that, or maybe it's you know, the state 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.560 is like, yeah, we need this actually to be a 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.000 little quiet, because more attention is being brought to this 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.400 than perhaps we thought it would be. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:50.960 I mean, it's insane. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.400 We've got over I mean we're twelve episodes this series 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.120 and there's still like five or six people that we 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.880 could still put on this. And it's the nobody's going up, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.760 you know what I'm saying. It's carrying on. There's more 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:03.520 stuff happening. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.960 Yeah, I mean every month, there's at least it seems 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.560 one or two that has been the trend. There have 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.360 been like quiet months, but for the most part, like 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.120 I'm looking here May, June, June, July, July, August, August, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.320 you know, pretty consistent, and yeah, like definitely, you know, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.600 like with like you said, Lenie Shulman, we had straight 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.240 up pictures of his diary of his suicide, no slash diary, right, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.920 and then here in the newer ones, I'm looking and 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.679 it's like suicide note but no mention of it, no picture, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.120 no seeing other crime or anything. Shulman as well, we 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.520 have pictures of him that on the on his bathroom floor, right, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.640 and then we're not seeing any of this, and again 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.920 I'm just like struggling to find information on it. Maybe 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.240 it's a burnout of sort, you know, like how people 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.800 get burned out, but hearing about the war in Ukraine 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.600 kind of like what is like news fatigue? You know, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.360 it could be that, and then certainly could be hey, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.000 let's stop covering this so much, you know, for better 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.600 or for worse. Like I can one hundred percent see 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.520 someone like an editor coming over and being like, hey, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.120 like calm down with coverage with that, we don't need 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.560 to hear this. They definitely don't want to hear this, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.800 So let's let's keep our jobs and let's talk about 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:20.320 something else. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.320 Let's talk about our successes in Ukraine. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.160 Saying that though there was one that kind of happened 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.680 early on, there wasn't that much info. One of vladislav Avayev. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.240 He's the guy the third murder suicide of his whole family, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.200 killed his pregnant wife, his thirty year old daughter, and 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:41.120 then shot himself. This was in Moscow. Who was this guy, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.480 Vladi vladislav Avayev. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.040 Yeah, the murder suicides were actually pretty much one after 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.719 the other. That one was either the first or the 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:50.440 last one. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:56.360 So Vasilli Minokov was March twenty third, vladislav Aviev who 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:01.240 killed his whole family, was April eighteenth, and then Sergey 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:06.400 Protozenya was April nineteenth. Literally the Daylight in Lorette del Mar, Spain, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.440 which we did the episode about, I think episode three. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.880 He was a rich guy living in a rich Moscow 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:18.120 neighborhood luxury apartment, kills his family with the pistol. Finding 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.640 a pistol in Russia is not exactly difficult. He was 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.840 also part of the military for a couple of years, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.280 nothing significant from what I understood. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:27.880 He just did his usual service. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.600 Left, he went into the social sector and then from 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.400 up to twenty ten, and then he becomes vice president 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.400 of gus Prom Bank, which is kind of interesting the 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:39.920 career leap that he made. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.400 Wait wait wait, gas from is involved again. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.120 Of course I thought you were that you were on 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.640 the memo here come on. Of course Gosproms is involved. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.800 And yeah, and I couldn't find much of how he 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.560 made that career drump. You know, he social sector being 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.480 like social worker or something. Again, not not much as 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.400 provide info is like known about that, but it just 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.440 has social sector, maybe social worker, some kind of HR guy. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.080 And then goes on to be the vice president of 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.880 gus Prombank. And then he starts his own medical company 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:20.080 in Carbonyx in kuni Ingrad, a little strip of land 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.680 in Europe that Russia has. He starts a company there 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.640 creating carbon Bonem replacements. From what understood, it didn't like 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.640 go fully public. It was kind of like being built up. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.480 But the contracts it had and technology it had, it 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.120 was like it was valued at a pretty high price, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.960 a couple of million, I believe. And I believe he's 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.000 had some disputes with a business partner, so they were 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.520 like coning the business. They coned other businesses, shell companies. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:49.800 He was in. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.800 His his partner was in the Panama papers and stuff, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.520 so you know, involved in a lot of stuff. And 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.120 then they had a dispute from what I understood about 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.200 the ownership of the company kind of who gets to 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.240 own it as such. So you know, there's that lead 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.960 and then what actually happened. He kills his thirteen year 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:17.119 old daughter. She has cerebral palsy. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:21.200 My understanding of the. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:24.760 Condition or disease is she's basically very like incapacitated. She 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.080 can't really move, she can't take care of herself. You 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.080 need like twenty four to seven care for that kind 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.560 of condition. He shoots her through the back of the 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.160 neck in a single shot. This is from the report, right, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.240 shoots his pregnant wife again in the head and then 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.600 multiple times in the chest, and then shoots himself in 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.120 the head. He was found in the bathroom next to 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:52.120 his wife holding the pistol. Kindness seems you know, for 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.320 a murder suicide. It's like takes a single shot on 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.920 his daughter, single shot to the head to his wife, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.320 single shot to himself. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.280 Seems per the single shot does, yeah, and the back 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.520 of the head. But there is part of me though 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.919 that thinks, okay, this is absolutely horrendous. This guy as 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.480 a fucking monster, But there is part of me that 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.320 thinks this one almost does sound. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:16.800 Like there were enough. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.040 Obviously, it's never an excuse, but there were enough, almost 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.200 like mitigating circumstances for the sort of person that would 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.080 be this monstrous to maybe do it. Whereas the others, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.760 You're like, where the hell did this come from? However, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.720 saying that, I feel almost naive to say that that, like, yeah, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.240 this guy just was the one that happened to kill 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.280 his whole family whilst being in the same circuit as 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.680 the other oligarchs who also killed their whole families literally 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.479 within months of each other. I don't know, it's again, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.200 it would be an insane coincidence. And like you said, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:53.639 the shot to the back of the head feels like 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:59.399 your archetypal professional here, and that isn't just American movie 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.200 stuff like shot to the back of heead is generally 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.280 how like an assassin might carry out hit. However, you 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.720 could then ar you, well, this guy, okay, he was 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.720 a nut case of psycho, but he didn't want to 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.320 look at his family when he shot them. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:15.520 I don't know, what do you think. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.120 I can't say, certainly but the biggest things that kind 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:22.000 of make it seem suspicious is he called his driver 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.320 to pick him up next day, like nothing happened, you know, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.920 Like the driver said, it was the normal day. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.760 He just he was planning to come pick him up, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:30.320 go to work. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.000 He told his daughter he was being picked up, his 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.480 eldest daughter. That's the other thing, right again, in this case. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.800 You spoke to the expert and she said, you know, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:41.920 when they do this, they want the entire family there, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.240 they want everybody there to kill them. And his eldest 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.440 daughter wasn't there. It's just him and his younger daughter, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.159 his wife. That's the biggest thing for me. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.200 That's a great point. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:58.520 So that means we've got three murder suicides within very 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.920 rich Russian tai Q communities, and each one of them 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.760 all within the space of a few months, left at 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.119 least one child alive. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.440 These specific ones are literally within a month. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:10.640 Surgery's right. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.680 Three rich Russian businessmen killed their whole families apart from 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:20.280 one child each who wasn't there. Vasilli Melnikov did this 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.400 on March twenty third, twenty twenty two. Vladislav Abayev did 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.400 this on April eighteenth, twenty twenty two, and Sergey Protozenja 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.240 did this the next day on April nineteenth, twenty twenty two. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.720 The chances of all this happening by coincidence in such 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.840 a specific way are extremely slim. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.600 Three murder suicidence. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:47.199 It's like, I don't know, man, same exact demographic, very similar. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.159 Maybe if it's not the Russian government, it might be 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.840 the thing I said about the company here, I made 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.320 a carbon axid, a very competitive company and product, and 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.399 it was literally going public in a couple of days. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:19:59.960 You know, he wasn't having money trouble. 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.080 The worth was it was going to open at thirty 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.800 two million rubles and that's like it's gonna go public 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.199 and then make more money. Right, I'm about to get 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.560 even richer, unless you know, somebody doesn't want to split 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.199 that money. Because he did a co owner company and 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.400 they were kind of fighting over rights to the company. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.679 I mean, that's a pretty good motive, you know. I 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.439 think that's as clear cut as a motive gets. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.800 Yeah, now you say that, I'm already trying to I 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.840 guess I kind of. Yeah, It's it seems quite clear 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.160 cut that there's a possibility. I should say I guess 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:39.480 it just seems beyond belief that anyone would be that 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.280 vicious to kill a young disabled girl and kill a 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.719 pregnant woman. But there are plenty of people in this 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.200 world like that. I mean, I should know. I've literally 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.560 interviewed people like that evil, you know, through my work. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.879 But it just it's so I don't know, it's so disturbing, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.800 you know. I mean sometimes I think it's easy to 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.040 kind of lose sight of the level of just pure 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:08.040 brutality that. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:07.520 That has been doled out here. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.800 Yeah, I think sometimes you kind of get lost and like, oh, well, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:12.439 this seems like out of a movie. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:13.280 This is too much. 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.119 I kind of can't believe it, right, it's kind of 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.320 hard to believe in accepted. But then like if you 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.960 look at real life cases, sometimes they're more brutal than 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.880 the movie depict And also again again with the circumstances 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.400 this was a single case, maybe then you can start 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.280 like doubting it, but it just with the contexts and 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:29.480 just kind of hard to dismiss. 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:51.120 Yeah, there were still I mean, there were even others 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.040 like I mean, you've got this guy Taran, he died 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:59.240 in a helicopter crash, riot or traveling from Switzerland, but 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.399 he was kind kind of definitely not in five with 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:03.720 the Russian government, right. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.560 Yeah, so that is November twenty fifth, Yeah, so the 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.879 month before another crypto guy dies. But this Tehran I 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.840 think at this point he's living in Monaco, between Monaco, France, Switzerland, 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.800 like in that area, I guess, because he was pretty 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.399 significant in Russia. He created the Forks like trading system 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.320 and he brought it to Russia. He made the biggest platform. 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.600 He was on board of a Swiss company. They were 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.000 working crypto, so he kind of went from four x 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.600 trading to like crypto trading. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:32.720 He was pretty central in. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.880 Russia's banking system, so central bank, you know, central bank, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:39.720 and then he lost his licenses. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:44.919 In twenty eighteen, yet another similar pattern. Multi billionaire Russian 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:49.359