1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires?

2
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,640
Speaker 2: Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that

3
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,360
Speaker 2: he hanged himself, fell out of.

4
00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,520
Speaker 3: A window, slashed his wrists, was poisoned, murdered his whole family.

5
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,799
Speaker 3: Last gm, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in

6
00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,239
Speaker 3: the space of nine months. Many of the deaths are

7
00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 3: suspicious with links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach,

8
00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,400
Speaker 3: an investigation into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created

9
00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,480
Speaker 3: by me, Jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad

10
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,559
Speaker 3: Oligach is a h eleven production for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio.

11
00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,560
Speaker 3: As we know, many rich Russians have died in mysterious

12
00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,120
Speaker 3: circumstances between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. Not

13
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,160
Speaker 3: every one of them warrants a full episode, but either way,

14
00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,840
Speaker 3: me and SERGERI wanted to weigh up and take stock

15
00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,560
Speaker 3: of the cases that didn't make the full list. Honestly

16
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 3: getting ridiculous how many people have started dying in these

17
00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,120
Speaker 3: rich Russian tycoon circles. As well as that since we

18
00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,360
Speaker 3: launched this show three months ago, several more people within

19
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,240
Speaker 3: this world have fallen out of windows, gotten sudden heart attacks,

20
00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,160
Speaker 3: and even died of cancer instantly surgery and me raked

21
00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,800
Speaker 3: over the strange Russian millionaire deaths the last twelve weeks

22
00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,200
Speaker 3: since we've been doing this, I've been getting pings. You've

23
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,440
Speaker 3: been getting pings. People are like, oh, look, another one,

24
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,480
Speaker 3: another one. Like it's almost become this joke. Some of

25
00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,960
Speaker 3: them it's like, ah, whatever, but others it's quite interesting.

26
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,040
Speaker 3: So I think let's talk about the people that have

27
00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 3: died in mysterious circumstances that are kind of linked to

28
00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,160
Speaker 3: all of this sad oligarch scenarios since we've been doing

29
00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,040
Speaker 3: this series.

30
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,760
Speaker 1: So who would the first one be?

31
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 4: I think the one guy that was interesting if you

32
00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,480
Speaker 4: look at December seventh, twenty twenty two, Kragory COCHINOI. So

33
00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:18,079
Speaker 4: he was basically like a young guy working in computer services.

34
00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,120
Speaker 4: I think it was a key, and he spoke out

35
00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,600
Speaker 4: against Russia's invasion in Ukraine. All of a sudden, accused

36
00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,639
Speaker 4: of having child pornography, his house was being searched, and

37
00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,680
Speaker 4: then while while it's being searched, he jumps from his

38
00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,600
Speaker 4: balcony and dies. The investigation says Oh, he was really embarrassed.

39
00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,200
Speaker 4: He was like, oh, I'm got right handed, so I'm

40
00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,040
Speaker 4: going to kill myself.

41
00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,320
Speaker 3: Now, this tech tycoon gurgor Ycoaching of might well have

42
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,680
Speaker 3: been a pedophile. If that's true. Nothing of value was

43
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,680
Speaker 3: lost when he jumped to his death. However, no evidence

44
00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,280
Speaker 3: of him having child sexual abuse images on his computer

45
00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,200
Speaker 3: has actually come out other than the word of the

46
00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 3: Russian authorities, and as we know, they're often less interested

47
00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,840
Speaker 3: in justice, more interested in following the orders of the Kremlin.

48
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,360
Speaker 3: What's also worth noting, perhaps is that this happened in

49
00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,720
Speaker 3: the high market nisney Novgorod area of Moscow, a place

50
00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,440
Speaker 3: several of these unusual deaths have occurred. Now this could

51
00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,280
Speaker 3: just be because that's where rich people live, or there

52
00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,440
Speaker 3: could be another reason.

53
00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,600
Speaker 4: He was basically really big in the at sphere of Russia.

54
00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,960
Speaker 4: He was working on like different applications. I think some

55
00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 4: of them were for the Russian government, some were just

56
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280
Speaker 4: used by the Russian government. And then his biggest thing

57
00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,440
Speaker 4: is his biggest mistake was speaking out against the Russian government.

58
00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,960
Speaker 4: A lot of his co workers and friends actually fled.

59
00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,920
Speaker 4: I saw one was in Georgia. A couple like around

60
00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,440
Speaker 4: Europe and they were saying, like they told them to leave,

61
00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,160
Speaker 4: that he just didn't listen, and that's basically what happened.

62
00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,320
Speaker 4: You know, speaks out against Russia all of a sudden,

63
00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,360
Speaker 4: he's blamed for some thing, in this case owning sheild

64
00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,839
Speaker 4: pornography and stays there searching his house, and according to them,

65
00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 4: he just jumped off the balcony himself. You know, a

66
00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,720
Speaker 4: lot of these things can be assisted, and there's not

67
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,080
Speaker 4: like that indicates that he was like very deep with

68
00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,719
Speaker 4: the government, but there seems to be a bit of

69
00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,200
Speaker 4: overlapping of him his services being like used for the

70
00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,440
Speaker 4: Russian government. It seems like speaking out against the invasion

71
00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,640
Speaker 4: is at least several of these instances had people killed.

72
00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,599
Speaker 4: So the guy in India December twenty fourth, Pavel Antov,

73
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,599
Speaker 4: he was a politician essentially, he was pretty rich.

74
00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 2: He was a millionaire himself. He wasn't really in with Puchin.

75
00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,520
Speaker 4: He was powerful in his own way, having money and

76
00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,120
Speaker 4: being kind of influential in that way. He was in

77
00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,640
Speaker 4: enemies with Puchin, but he wasn't exactly in the boys club,

78
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,279
Speaker 4: but he was kind of tolerated. But according to the news.

79
00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,080
Speaker 2: Articles, he spoke out against Puchin.

80
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,799
Speaker 4: He spoke out against the w saying it's bead for business,

81
00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,640
Speaker 4: and he takes a trip to India. Then at first,

82
00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,719
Speaker 4: if you remember, two days earlier, his friend or travel partner,

83
00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,240
Speaker 4: Latimar Ridenov dies also in the same hotel, in this

84
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 4: case from hard complications, and two days later, pavel Antov

85
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,320
Speaker 4: is found dead after falling from a third floor balcony,

86
00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,159
Speaker 4: which is also kind of interesting.

87
00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,320
Speaker 2: I mean, third floor can be relatively high.

88
00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,200
Speaker 4: But I don't know, kind of seems interesting that you

89
00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,200
Speaker 4: would choose to take your life from the third floor.

90
00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120
Speaker 1: And his friend died in the same hotel.

91
00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,680
Speaker 4: Exact same hotel two days earlier, hard complications, surrounded by

92
00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,640
Speaker 4: one bottles is what they said. Kind of alluded that

93
00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,440
Speaker 4: maybe he was an alcoholic. He was drinking after he died.

94
00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,080
Speaker 4: Bible himself actually said like this is really suspicious, Like

95
00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,159
Speaker 4: he doesn't think you know that this is normal.

96
00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,720
Speaker 2: He demanded that the police investigate and stuff.

97
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800
Speaker 4: And then two days later he's the one dying from

98
00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 4: a third form balcony.

99
00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,640
Speaker 3: So Russian millionaire businessman and politician pavel Antov dies falling

100
00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,359
Speaker 3: from a window not long after criticizing Putin for his

101
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,279
Speaker 3: invasion of Ukraine. This happened two days after his friend

102
00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,000
Speaker 3: died of alleged heart problems in the same hotel, and

103
00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,120
Speaker 3: Toov said that was suspicious, and then he died himself.

104
00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,200
Speaker 3: At the same time, other rich, influential Russians were also

105
00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,599
Speaker 3: dying even better.

106
00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,839
Speaker 4: On the same exact same day, December twenty fourth, that

107
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,640
Speaker 4: Pavolantov died, two other guys died. Alexander Buzakov sixty six

108
00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,320
Speaker 4: years old, you know older, but people said he's in

109
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,240
Speaker 4: relatively good shape. He was actually like part of the navy.

110
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,320
Speaker 4: I didn't quite understand if he was like, you know,

111
00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,159
Speaker 4: record ranking officer or he was more on the research

112
00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880
Speaker 4: slash procurement side of things. But basically he was in

113
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,279
Speaker 4: charge of lunching a submarine and he had some issues.

114
00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 4: But then the navy he fail to be up to

115
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,039
Speaker 4: standard and he dies of a heart attack. People said, basically,

116
00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,839
Speaker 4: he was out for a walk, he had a heart

117
00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,000
Speaker 4: attack and somebody found him already dying.

118
00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 2: They couldn't save him in time.

119
00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,760
Speaker 3: And then there was another one, another rich Russian, dying

120
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,200
Speaker 3: at exactly the same time.

121
00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,320
Speaker 4: Alexey Maslov, also same exact day, in the summer twenty

122
00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,160
Speaker 4: fourth dies at a military hospital near Moscow.

123
00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,400
Speaker 2: No death, no cause of death was provided.

124
00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,160
Speaker 4: Right, this guy also involved with the military, same thing

125
00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,760
Speaker 4: kind of failed to give results, and he's dead the

126
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,240
Speaker 4: eACT same day, December twenty fourth.

127
00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 1: The guy folls out the window.

128
00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,520
Speaker 3: The guy dies in the hotel, and then this happens

129
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,040
Speaker 3: like what within the space of how many dies two days?

130
00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,720
Speaker 4: So the summer twenty second is the first guy who

131
00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,560
Speaker 4: allegedly dies from heart complications, and then on the summer

132
00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,560
Speaker 4: twenty fourth it's tree deaths on the exact same day.

133
00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,720
Speaker 1: Come on like that.

134
00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many coincidences in this series that

135
00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,880
Speaker 3: to me feels like someone has said, hey, let them

136
00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,680
Speaker 3: know all on the same day. I know, it's kind

137
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,320
Speaker 3: of it sounds comical at this day, so much madness

138
00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,160
Speaker 3: has happened, though, it's like, yeah, why not. It's like

139
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,640
Speaker 3: in a Breaking Bad where Wall is like, right, we

140
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,800
Speaker 3: have to kill all of the possible informants in the

141
00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480
Speaker 3: prison in the exact same hour, like to kind of

142
00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,040
Speaker 3: prove the point, like I can get you. It feels

143
00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,960
Speaker 3: very like calculated, you know what I mean?

144
00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, It's like I think you've seen those things

145
00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,480
Speaker 4: where they say, like sometimes you have to dumb the

146
00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,600
Speaker 4: movie down because like the reality is too it's too

147
00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,320
Speaker 4: hard to believe.

148
00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,480
Speaker 2: This is what kind of feels like.

149
00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,480
Speaker 4: It's like the bad guy like sends out the hit

150
00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,640
Speaker 4: and he's like get it done. Everybody like sets in

151
00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,520
Speaker 4: emotion like okay, let's do this movie. Ask and you

152
00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,120
Speaker 4: see a little montage of this happening. It's like it's

153
00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440
Speaker 4: just again. I think if you just tell somebody this

154
00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 4: to be like yeah, okay, like sure, yeah, be serious.

155
00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,120
Speaker 3: Like it's like yeah, like the clock is take in

156
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,840
Speaker 3: the background and you see each scene like boom boom boom,

157
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:23,840
Speaker 3: each hit. But I mean, so much weird stuff has happened.

158
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,120
Speaker 3: What's been looking at this?

159
00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,280
Speaker 4: The thing I noticed with recent cases is there's a

160
00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,400
Speaker 4: lot less information. I don't know if it's intentional, if

161
00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,880
Speaker 4: people are getting tired of it, but I'm finding it

162
00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,080
Speaker 4: a lot harder to actually find articles on it.

163
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,240
Speaker 2: It's covered a lot less.

164
00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,400
Speaker 4: A lot of the articles will say oh, we're going

165
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,920
Speaker 4: to have an autopsy done or examination done, and there

166
00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 4: will be like news in two, three days whatever, and

167
00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,440
Speaker 4: I can't really ever find those updates. In a similar case,

168
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,160
Speaker 4: there's on May twentieth Kuchenko, pretty young guy, forty six

169
00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,600
Speaker 4: years old, Deputy Science min of Russia. It's a pretty

170
00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,640
Speaker 4: high position. Falls ill on a flight from Cuba to Russia.

171
00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,360
Speaker 4: They claim that it's a hard condition, but what do

172
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,120
Speaker 4: we know. A couple of months earlier, a Russian journalist

173
00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,960
Speaker 4: who's like he's like hiding from the Russian government too,

174
00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,640
Speaker 4: says he talked to this guy and that he complained

175
00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,360
Speaker 4: about Russia, and he was very famously quoted as saying

176
00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,760
Speaker 4: Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a fascist invasion, a big

177
00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 4: no no to say about Russia's special military operation. And

178
00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,480
Speaker 4: then like and then this happens a few months later,

179
00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,600
Speaker 4: he's dead. So you know, clearly, I think complaining openly

180
00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,240
Speaker 4: and kind of not distrust but kind of going against

181
00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,400
Speaker 4: the narrative is very not Okay.

182
00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,839
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, like you were saying at the start,

183
00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,840
Speaker 3: this in the start of the kind of climeline, you know,

184
00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,959
Speaker 3: you could look at it and okay, Leonid Shulman, there

185
00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,760
Speaker 3: was you know, quite a lot of information same with

186
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,080
Speaker 3: to you look of. And then as it gets more

187
00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,040
Speaker 3: and more and more, suddenly the Russian media is no

188
00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,840
Speaker 3: longer interested. Now whether that's because they're realizing. Ah, like

189
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,720
Speaker 3: the tide has changed after the Ukraine War. I mean

190
00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,960
Speaker 3: Russia was never particularly open, you know, with press freedom

191
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,720
Speaker 3: by any stretch, but certainly things have got a lot

192
00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,240
Speaker 3: harder after the Ukraine invasion. So whether it's the press going, oh, well,

193
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 3: we're best just if it looks like maybe the government

194
00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880
Speaker 3: or someone tied to the Oligas did this, maybe for

195
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,680
Speaker 3: our own cel preservation, it's best just to keep quiet.

196
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,360
Speaker 3: Maybe it's that, or maybe it's you know, the state

197
00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,560
Speaker 3: is like, yeah, we need this actually to be a

198
00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,000
Speaker 3: little quiet, because more attention is being brought to this

199
00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,400
Speaker 3: than perhaps we thought it would be.

200
00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane.

201
00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,400
Speaker 3: We've got over I mean we're twelve episodes this series

202
00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,120
Speaker 3: and there's still like five or six people that we

203
00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,880
Speaker 3: could still put on this. And it's the nobody's going up,

204
00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,760
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It's carrying on. There's more

205
00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 3: stuff happening.

206
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean every month, there's at least it seems

207
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,560
Speaker 4: one or two that has been the trend. There have

208
00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 4: been like quiet months, but for the most part, like

209
00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,120
Speaker 4: I'm looking here May, June, June, July, July, August, August,

210
00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,320
Speaker 4: you know, pretty consistent, and yeah, like definitely, you know,

211
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,600
Speaker 4: like with like you said, Lenie Shulman, we had straight

212
00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,240
Speaker 4: up pictures of his diary of his suicide, no slash diary, right,

213
00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,920
Speaker 4: and then here in the newer ones, I'm looking and

214
00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,679
Speaker 4: it's like suicide note but no mention of it, no picture,

215
00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,120
Speaker 4: no seeing other crime or anything. Shulman as well, we

216
00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,520
Speaker 4: have pictures of him that on the on his bathroom floor, right,

217
00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,640
Speaker 4: and then we're not seeing any of this, and again

218
00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,920
Speaker 4: I'm just like struggling to find information on it. Maybe

219
00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,240
Speaker 4: it's a burnout of sort, you know, like how people

220
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,800
Speaker 4: get burned out, but hearing about the war in Ukraine

221
00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,600
Speaker 4: kind of like what is like news fatigue? You know,

222
00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,360
Speaker 4: it could be that, and then certainly could be hey,

223
00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,000
Speaker 4: let's stop covering this so much, you know, for better

224
00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,600
Speaker 4: or for worse. Like I can one hundred percent see

225
00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 4: someone like an editor coming over and being like, hey,

226
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,120
Speaker 4: like calm down with coverage with that, we don't need

227
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560
Speaker 4: to hear this. They definitely don't want to hear this,

228
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,800
Speaker 4: So let's let's keep our jobs and let's talk about

229
00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:20,320
Speaker 4: something else.

230
00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about our successes in Ukraine.

231
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,160
Speaker 3: Saying that though there was one that kind of happened

232
00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,680
Speaker 3: early on, there wasn't that much info. One of vladislav Avayev.

233
00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,240
Speaker 3: He's the guy the third murder suicide of his whole family,

234
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,200
Speaker 3: killed his pregnant wife, his thirty year old daughter, and

235
00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 3: then shot himself. This was in Moscow. Who was this guy,

236
00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480
Speaker 3: Vladi vladislav Avayev.

237
00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the murder suicides were actually pretty much one after

238
00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,719
Speaker 4: the other. That one was either the first or the

239
00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,440
Speaker 4: last one.

240
00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,360
Speaker 3: So Vasilli Minokov was March twenty third, vladislav Aviev who

241
00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,240
Speaker 3: killed his whole family, was April eighteenth, and then Sergey

242
00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,400
Speaker 3: Protozenya was April nineteenth. Literally the Daylight in Lorette del Mar, Spain,

243
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,440
Speaker 3: which we did the episode about, I think episode three.

244
00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,880
Speaker 4: He was a rich guy living in a rich Moscow

245
00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:18,120
Speaker 4: neighborhood luxury apartment, kills his family with the pistol. Finding

246
00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,640
Speaker 4: a pistol in Russia is not exactly difficult. He was

247
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 4: also part of the military for a couple of years,

248
00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280
Speaker 4: nothing significant from what I understood.

249
00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,880
Speaker 2: He just did his usual service.

250
00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,600
Speaker 4: Left, he went into the social sector and then from

251
00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400
Speaker 4: up to twenty ten, and then he becomes vice president

252
00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,400
Speaker 4: of gus Prom Bank, which is kind of interesting the

253
00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,920
Speaker 4: career leap that he made.

254
00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,400
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, gas from is involved again.

255
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,120
Speaker 4: Of course I thought you were that you were on

256
00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,640
Speaker 4: the memo here come on. Of course Gosproms is involved.

257
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, and I couldn't find much of how he

258
00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,560
Speaker 4: made that career drump. You know, he social sector being

259
00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,480
Speaker 4: like social worker or something. Again, not not much as

260
00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,400
Speaker 4: provide info is like known about that, but it just

261
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,440
Speaker 4: has social sector, maybe social worker, some kind of HR guy.

262
00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,080
Speaker 4: And then goes on to be the vice president of

263
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,880
Speaker 4: gus Prombank. And then he starts his own medical company

264
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,080
Speaker 4: in Carbonyx in kuni Ingrad, a little strip of land

265
00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,680
Speaker 4: in Europe that Russia has. He starts a company there

266
00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,640
Speaker 4: creating carbon Bonem replacements. From what understood, it didn't like

267
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,640
Speaker 4: go fully public. It was kind of like being built up.

268
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,480
Speaker 4: But the contracts it had and technology it had, it

269
00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120
Speaker 4: was like it was valued at a pretty high price,

270
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,960
Speaker 4: a couple of million, I believe. And I believe he's

271
00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,000
Speaker 4: had some disputes with a business partner, so they were

272
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,520
Speaker 4: like coning the business. They coned other businesses, shell companies.

273
00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:49,800
Speaker 2: He was in.

274
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,800
Speaker 4: His his partner was in the Panama papers and stuff,

275
00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,520
Speaker 4: so you know, involved in a lot of stuff. And

276
00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,120
Speaker 4: then they had a dispute from what I understood about

277
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,200
Speaker 4: the ownership of the company kind of who gets to

278
00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,240
Speaker 4: own it as such. So you know, there's that lead

279
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,960
Speaker 4: and then what actually happened. He kills his thirteen year

280
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:17,119
Speaker 4: old daughter. She has cerebral palsy.

281
00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,200
Speaker 2: My understanding of the.

282
00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,760
Speaker 4: Condition or disease is she's basically very like incapacitated. She

283
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,080
Speaker 4: can't really move, she can't take care of herself. You

284
00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,080
Speaker 4: need like twenty four to seven care for that kind

285
00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,560
Speaker 4: of condition. He shoots her through the back of the

286
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,160
Speaker 4: neck in a single shot. This is from the report, right,

287
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,240
Speaker 4: shoots his pregnant wife again in the head and then

288
00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 4: multiple times in the chest, and then shoots himself in

289
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120
Speaker 4: the head. He was found in the bathroom next to

290
00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 4: his wife holding the pistol. Kindness seems you know, for

291
00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320
Speaker 4: a murder suicide. It's like takes a single shot on

292
00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,920
Speaker 4: his daughter, single shot to the head to his wife,

293
00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,320
Speaker 4: single shot to himself.

294
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,280
Speaker 3: Seems per the single shot does, yeah, and the back

295
00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 3: of the head. But there is part of me though

296
00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,919
Speaker 3: that thinks, okay, this is absolutely horrendous. This guy as

297
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,480
Speaker 3: a fucking monster, But there is part of me that

298
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,320
Speaker 3: thinks this one almost does sound.

299
00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,800
Speaker 1: Like there were enough.

300
00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,040
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's never an excuse, but there were enough, almost

301
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,200
Speaker 3: like mitigating circumstances for the sort of person that would

302
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,080
Speaker 3: be this monstrous to maybe do it. Whereas the others,

303
00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,760
Speaker 3: You're like, where the hell did this come from? However,

304
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,720
Speaker 3: saying that, I feel almost naive to say that that, like, yeah,

305
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,240
Speaker 3: this guy just was the one that happened to kill

306
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,280
Speaker 3: his whole family whilst being in the same circuit as

307
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,680
Speaker 3: the other oligarchs who also killed their whole families literally

308
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,479
Speaker 3: within months of each other. I don't know, it's again,

309
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,200
Speaker 3: it would be an insane coincidence. And like you said,

310
00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,639
Speaker 3: the shot to the back of the head feels like

311
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:59,399
Speaker 3: your archetypal professional here, and that isn't just American movie

312
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,200
Speaker 3: stuff like shot to the back of heead is generally

313
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 3: how like an assassin might carry out hit. However, you

314
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,720
Speaker 3: could then ar you, well, this guy, okay, he was

315
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,720
Speaker 3: a nut case of psycho, but he didn't want to

316
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 3: look at his family when he shot them.

317
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think.

318
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,120
Speaker 4: I can't say, certainly but the biggest things that kind

319
00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 4: of make it seem suspicious is he called his driver

320
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,320
Speaker 4: to pick him up next day, like nothing happened, you know,

321
00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,920
Speaker 4: Like the driver said, it was the normal day.

322
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 2: He just he was planning to come pick him up,

323
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,320
Speaker 2: go to work.

324
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 4: He told his daughter he was being picked up, his

325
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,480
Speaker 4: eldest daughter. That's the other thing, right again, in this case.

326
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,800
Speaker 4: You spoke to the expert and she said, you know,

327
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 4: when they do this, they want the entire family there,

328
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 4: they want everybody there to kill them. And his eldest

329
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 4: daughter wasn't there. It's just him and his younger daughter,

330
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,159
Speaker 4: his wife. That's the biggest thing for me.

331
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

332
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 3: So that means we've got three murder suicides within very

333
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,920
Speaker 3: rich Russian tai Q communities, and each one of them

334
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 3: all within the space of a few months, left at

335
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 3: least one child alive.

336
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,440
Speaker 2: These specific ones are literally within a month.

337
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 1: Surgery's right.

338
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 3: Three rich Russian businessmen killed their whole families apart from

339
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 3: one child each who wasn't there. Vasilli Melnikov did this

340
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 3: on March twenty third, twenty twenty two. Vladislav Abayev did

341
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 3: this on April eighteenth, twenty twenty two, and Sergey Protozenja

342
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 3: did this the next day on April nineteenth, twenty twenty two.

343
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 3: The chances of all this happening by coincidence in such

344
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: a specific way are extremely slim.

345
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 2: Three murder suicidence.

346
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,199
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, man, same exact demographic, very similar.

347
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 4: Maybe if it's not the Russian government, it might be

348
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 4: the thing I said about the company here, I made

349
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 4: a carbon axid, a very competitive company and product, and

350
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 4: it was literally going public in a couple of days.

351
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't having money trouble.

352
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 4: The worth was it was going to open at thirty

353
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 4: two million rubles and that's like it's gonna go public

354
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 4: and then make more money. Right, I'm about to get

355
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 4: even richer, unless you know, somebody doesn't want to split

356
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 4: that money. Because he did a co owner company and

357
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 4: they were kind of fighting over rights to the company.

358
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a pretty good motive, you know. I

359
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 4: think that's as clear cut as a motive gets.

360
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you say that, I'm already trying to I

361
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 3: guess I kind of. Yeah, It's it seems quite clear

362
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 3: cut that there's a possibility. I should say I guess

363
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 3: it just seems beyond belief that anyone would be that

364
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 3: vicious to kill a young disabled girl and kill a

365
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,719
Speaker 3: pregnant woman. But there are plenty of people in this

366
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 3: world like that. I mean, I should know. I've literally

367
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 3: interviewed people like that evil, you know, through my work.

368
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 3: But it just it's so I don't know, it's so disturbing,

369
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: you know. I mean sometimes I think it's easy to

370
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: kind of lose sight of the level of just pure

371
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 3: brutality that.

372
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: That has been doled out here.

373
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think sometimes you kind of get lost and like, oh, well,

374
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 4: this seems like out of a movie.

375
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: This is too much.

376
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 4: I kind of can't believe it, right, it's kind of

377
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 4: hard to believe in accepted. But then like if you

378
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 4: look at real life cases, sometimes they're more brutal than

379
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 4: the movie depict And also again again with the circumstances

380
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 4: this was a single case, maybe then you can start

381
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: like doubting it, but it just with the contexts and

382
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: just kind of hard to dismiss.

383
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were still I mean, there were even others

384
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: like I mean, you've got this guy Taran, he died

385
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: in a helicopter crash, riot or traveling from Switzerland, but

386
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: he was kind kind of definitely not in five with

387
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: the Russian government, right.

388
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that is November twenty fifth, Yeah, so the

389
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: month before another crypto guy dies. But this Tehran I

390
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 4: think at this point he's living in Monaco, between Monaco, France, Switzerland,

391
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 4: like in that area, I guess, because he was pretty

392
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 4: significant in Russia. He created the Forks like trading system

393
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 4: and he brought it to Russia. He made the biggest platform.

394
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: He was on board of a Swiss company. They were

395
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: working crypto, so he kind of went from four x

396
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 4: trading to like crypto trading.

397
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: He was pretty central in.

398
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 4: Russia's banking system, so central bank, you know, central bank,

399
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 4: and then he lost his licenses.

400
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, yet another similar pattern. Multi billionaire Russian

401
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 3: businessman Vaitchoslav Tarran at his banking license revoked by the

402
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: Russian government. We saw the same thing happen with Dan

403
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: Rappaport and Sergei proto Zenya. No one knows exactly why

404
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: Tarwan lost his licenses, but it was a leg that

405
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: his bank failed to follow Russia's financial regulations.

406
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: Do assumption aigans.

407
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: Basically, it didn't specify why there's no specific like official

408
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: document that said why, but we know that he had

409
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: his licenses revoked and he left the country. He didn't

410
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: run away from the police or anything, but he stopped

411
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 4: living there as much. He's flying between his From what

412
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 4: I said, I was like he was at a work

413
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: meeting in Switzerland flying back to Monaco his helicopter crashes.

414
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: He was pretty connected with the government. He was involved

415
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: with the banking and I think, as we know at

416
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: this point, if you're in banking and Russia, you're probably

417
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: involved with the governments at some level. So the crash happened,

418
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 4: I think it was like between Switzerland and Monaco. But

419
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: guests who investigated Russian government, the Russian embassy said they're

420
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 4: going to look into it. They're going to be the

421
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 4: ones investigating it. Pretty sure, like the embassy doesn't. Like

422
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 4: the Russian embassy usually can't just get you know, jurisdiction

423
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 4: and come over and be the ones investigating. They were

424
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 4: the one in charge of that, and that also kind

425
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: of stood out to you.

426
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that all these people have some ties

427
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: to gas banking or other kind of natural resource trading

428
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: companies that are link to the Russian government in some way,

429
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: although you could then argue, well, yeah, all of those

430
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: the way that Russia is, all of those companies would

431
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: be but it's I don't know, there's a very clear threat.

432
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: Well this is not normal in a way, like there

433
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: is a certain pattern. You know, they weren't dying let's

434
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: say like even twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, right, there

435
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 4: weren't this many, all the gark deaths. What is it

436
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: all of a sudden that this is happening in two years?

437
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And I mean that's kind of the point.

438
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 3: It's like we're not the cops, and we're certainly not

439
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: the FSB, and we're not the CIA. So it's like, yeah,

440
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. But if you look at it and

441
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: lay it out like this, yeah, it's there's a lot

442
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: of weird stuff. We could go all day about the

443
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: various people that have been kind of linked. It's interesting

444
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: there's this person, there's that person. I think when looking

445
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: into this you can kind of like lose your mind

446
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: a bit, Like every single death surrounding the kind of

447
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: sad Oligach circuit, it's like, oh, that's another one, but

448
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: not necessarily. Some people have sent me someone it's like, yeah,

449
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: that person just died, like it's not even that weird.

450
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: The last one I do want to talk about, though,

451
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: is Natalia botch Kariva. She was forty four years old,

452
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: the door of the former governor of Penza Oblast.

453
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 4: She's very rich, so former governor of Penza Oblast, and

454
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 4: she was basically some sources said, running like she was

455
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: in charge. Some said she just had shares, but shares

456
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: in her families. They quote it as empire of real estate,

457
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 4: you know, several massive shopping centers, CEO of an advertising agency,

458
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: and she's found that in her apartment. And once again,

459
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: very little information. So all the police said was the

460
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 4: death was not violent. They didn't even say like how

461
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: she died, why she died, just death was not violent,

462
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 4: and allegedly she committed suicide. But then somebody else said

463
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: it was a hard heart failure. It says we're going

464
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: to give you an update once an autopsy comes in.

465
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: There has been no update. I've been trying to check

466
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: it out. I could not find anything. The other notable

467
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 4: thing apparently in twenty twenty one she got scammed for

468
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 4: sixteen million rubles. Like he made the news, and all

469
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: they could really provide was to make her personal problems

470
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 4: go away. So I'm not sure what that means if

471
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: she was trying to get rid of someone, if she

472
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: has some shit she had to cover up. But apparently

473
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: somebody promised to solve her personal problems and scammed her

474
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: out of sixteen million.

475
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: Right, that already suggests to me right off the bat,

476
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: that she's in Okay, she got scammed, but she's trying

477
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: to at least be in some kind of world where

478
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: you can get people killed. I mean, she's a multimillionaire,

479
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, through her family shares in the family's empire

480
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: through oligarchy from her father. But either way, she's got

481
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: money and she's trying to make her personal problems go away.

482
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: So her personal problems are very clearly not going to

483
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: be related to money because she's got all the money.

484
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: So who else could she possibly be paying someone to

485
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: do to get rid of her personal problems. My guess

486
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: is she tried to get someone killed and she got scammed.

487
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: How much is sixty million roubles in like US dollars roughly.

488
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: Two hundred thousand about, But it's a lot of money

489
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: for her. This is just paying for like a service

490
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm not going around going to

491
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: be able to pay somebody two hundred thousand dollars to

492
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: make some issue away.

493
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: You know, this is for her. It seems like dropping

494
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: the bucket kind of.

495
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Thing honestly as well.

496
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: So it's like it's it's what it's like around one

497
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy two hundred thousand US dollars from what

498
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: I know just through research or like, you know, the

499
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: underground kind of circuit hitman Assassin's that kind of thing.

500
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: That's a lot of money. That's I mean, it screams

501
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: to me that she really didn't know what she was doing.

502
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: And no one is paying like that kind of money

503
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: to get someone killed unless they're of some specific notoriety

504
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: or some kind of standing politically or business. Maybe that's

505
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: what she did, and maybe the person then said, Okay,

506
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: well you didn't get me, you got scanned, and now

507
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: I'll get you. I don't know, I'm just speculating, but

508
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: who knows in this world.

509
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like it doesn't sound like

510
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: she really made her own anything.

511
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Really.

512
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: It sounds like she just kind of grew up and

513
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 4: being you know, in a rich family, just kind of

514
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: guarded from her father.

515
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: She was.

516
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: She had a lot of shares in the companies. Like

517
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: I said, already enough reason to kill someone, you know,

518
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: whether to make somebody else shares more valuable or whatever

519
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: the reason.

520
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it on her.

521
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: Again, these most more recent ones have very limited information.

522
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: There's actually two I want to I think are like

523
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: significant enough to talk about more. And Natalia was July fourteenth, right,

524
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: And these guys are actually the two most recent ones,

525
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: so July twenty second. Antone Cherrypanicov. He's a forty year

526
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: old IT security company billionaire. His company was associated with

527
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: the head of with like the government. It wasn't like

528
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: a government company, but it was basically it's only client.

529
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: They were making wired tapping companies, so things to you know,

530
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: listen into your phone, any other technology, and they basically

531
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 4: made all of the apasbad listening technology phone tapping.

532
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Right.

533
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: He basically lobbied the government to include his tapping technology

534
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: into most technologies, so again at least phones and I

535
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: think computers. But yeah, this is the kind of guy

536
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: he is, you know, a billionaire working with the government.

537
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: He was also working on run net, which is like

538
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: Russian net, right, I think China has this where basically

539
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: they're completely disconnected from the rest of the Internet. They

540
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: can control what's seen, who sees what. Yeah, North Korea

541
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: has it too, red stuff exactly. He was a big

542
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: part of that project. And then he dies. Very little

543
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: information how he dies. Some said it was suicide and

544
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: they were saying like, oh, there's no way, he's so young,

545
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: but no one said how like not even like fell

546
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 4: off of a lot of a window or you know,

547
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 4: took pills or anything like that.

548
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Right, just he's dead.

549
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, just basically he's dead, but pretty significant, you know

550
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: if he's involved in this it security stuff, like very

551
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: involved with the garment for sure, involved with deaf his

552
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: bath he's making this equipment for them, right basically.

553
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: And then the other guy who was I.

554
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: Thought also was really interesting again nad Lopiro actually two

555
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 4: weeks ago August sixteenth. He's the guy who was in

556
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: charge of building Putin's palace. It's like the giant, massive,

557
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: massive mention and souci that was built like specifically for Putin.

558
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: This guy is a lieutenant general in the army. He

559
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: actually also did security for like the southern region of Russia,

560
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: Southern regions Russia. Like if Putin or any other high

561
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: ranking guy would go like wherever P visit, he could

562
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: be in charge of the security. And he was in

563
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: charge of these construction projects. I believe the project was

564
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: like completing in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, so he would

565
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: have been involved in making that palace, right, and then

566
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: Putin's known to kind of he doesn't want to talk

567
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: about it, he doesn't want attention to it. So in

568
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, this guy a Lottpero is accused of taking bribes.

569
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: Allegedly he's caught right handed taking a bribe, and then

570
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: they also find more money that they say is in

571
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: relation to bribes, so like they're like, this guy's fully corrupt.

572
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: A year later, he is thrown in jail, high security

573
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: basically for ten years. His sentence got slightly reduced because

574
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 4: they tried to throw in some illegal weapons trafficking charges

575
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: on to him, but that fell through, and he's spending

576
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: his time in jail. Like so this year, right, and

577
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: he's actually on good behavior. He was about to be paroled,

578
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden he actually on August fourteenth,

579
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: just two days before he dies, he's ill transferred to

580
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: a hospital. Doctor said it was leukemia, and two days

581
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 4: later he dies. Kemia is a type of cancer. Pretty

582
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: sure it's not that fast, you know, Pretty sure it

583
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: takes more than two days. But yeah, he dies, and

584
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: he was very connected to this palace. He would have

585
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: been the one dealing with the finances and stuff. To me,

586
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: if I had to speculate, you know, if it's the

587
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: typical you construct your secret layer and then you kill

588
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: the guys working on it. This is what it seemed

589
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: like to me. But again, who knows. It's just the

590
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: biggest thing to me is you know, he's working on

591
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: this mansion. All of a sudden, he's accused of a crime,

592
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: put away in jail, and right before he's about to

593
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: leave jail days of a very weird circumstance.

594
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: If you're building the secret layer and you mess up

595
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: the secret layer for the guy that wants the secret layer,

596
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna get it.

597
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: Well, secret for her isn't really if somebody has to

598
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: build it, but you want it to be secret, there's

599
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 4: a only so many ways to do that.

600
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: So, as you can see, there are many rich Russians

601
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: that have died in mysterious circumstances even in the three

602
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: months that we've been making this series, and what was

603
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: lots of this might sound extraordinary, to the point of

604
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: it being stranger than fiction. Take into account what just

605
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: happened in Russia, you have get any Progosion, the oligarch

606
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: and commander of the Kremlin backed mercenary contractor firm PMC. Wagner,

607
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: died in a mysterious plane crash. This happened August twenty third,

608
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: exactly one month to the day since Progosion in his unit,

609
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: launched an abandoned mutiny against Poutin. This was one of

610
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: the largest open attacks against his authority in his whole life.

611
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: It's obvious the revenge would occur. Wagnerfiers claim that Progosion's

612
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: plane was literally shot out of the sky by the

613
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: Russian military, and Putin has said he most definitely will

614
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: not be attending Progosion's funeral, his old friend turned enemy.

615
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: We'll be looking into that next week on sad Oligach.

616
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: Sad Oligach is a h eleven production for Cool Zone

617
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: Media and iHeart Radio, hosted, produced, researched, and edited by

618
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: me Jake Hanrahan and Sergei Slipchenko co produced by Sophie Lichtman,

619
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: music by Sam Black, artwork by Adam mcdoyle, sound mix

620
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: by Splicing Block. Go to Jake hanry a hand dot

621
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: com for more information. Mm hmm