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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks DJ and Buck with you? Buck?

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Speaker 2: What is going on? And how you doing? I missed you.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's been a minute. But now I'm doing

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. DJ. Like obviously football is in full

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have a fun segment today.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna look at how these two Super Bowl teams

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Speaker 2: We've got, uh, by the way, when when is the

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Speaker 2: So that huge, huge performance from him. Yeah, huge performance

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Speaker 2: You look at their key players and their ages. If

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Speaker 2: This might not be the last we've heard of this group.

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Speaker 2: Morgan Moses has played really well, has been a stabilizing

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Speaker 2: force for them at right tackle. Garrett Bradbury, how about

435
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Speaker 2: Minnesota man Sam Darnold in the Super Bowl is the

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Speaker 2: quarterback in Seattle. Garrett Bradbury in the Super Bowl is

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Speaker 2: the center for the Patriots. Both let walk right out

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Speaker 2: of the building there in Minnesota and MATC Collins no

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Speaker 2: shoes necessary, but six hundred and ninety five snaps for

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Speaker 2: him on a very affordable deal. But they invested a

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Speaker 2: lot of money in free agency and they picked not

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Speaker 2: only the right players, I think more importantly, Buck, I

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Speaker 2: think they picked the right people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ, I think that is a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this because a lot of times when teams

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Speaker 1: have success, I tend to fall into the rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: of looking at their docuseries to see how they build it.

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Speaker 1: And so I've been watching the Patriots thing. It's like

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Speaker 1: a three part docuseriies on how they were built, and

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Speaker 1: I think it was really interesting to hear them talk

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Speaker 1: about the character part of the people that they wanted.

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Speaker 1: Now early we knew during free agency a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys were Mike Rabel guys. He has some kind

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Speaker 1: of connection with him, the Harold Landry's and some of

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Speaker 1: the other guys that came on board because he knew

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Speaker 1: them intimately. But then it's the other part of the

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Speaker 1: veteran pieces. And we have talked about this one. We

458
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Speaker 1: talked about the best way to have success in the

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Speaker 1: league when you're doing a rebuild, this which side of

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Speaker 1: the ball can we get to being great first? And

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Speaker 1: they invested a lot of free agent capital in veterans

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Speaker 1: on defense to try and get that defense up to

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Speaker 1: an acceptable level. And I would say they've exceeded expectations

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Speaker 1: being a top five defense. So they did that. But

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Speaker 1: I heard Mike Rabel talk about this, and I think

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Speaker 1: this really matters. He said, I've learned that I can

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Speaker 1: coach different personalities, but I can't coach different mentalities a

468
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Speaker 1: great line. When he said that, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: they're resonated, and look, you can be whoever you need

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Speaker 1: to be away from the field, but in between the lines, man,

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Speaker 1: I need everybody to come to work with the same mentality.

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Speaker 1: I need you to be tough. I need you to

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Speaker 1: be a team first guy. I need you to be

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Speaker 1: about the things that we talk about being very valuable

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Speaker 1: in this building. And when he said that, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that is how you can take a digs on, a

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Speaker 1: Spa Lane and Carlton Davis and put all these different

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Speaker 1: personality types and get them going. And when I look

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Speaker 1: at both of these teams, I think the lesson that

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Speaker 1: everyone has to learn. Man, the chemistry matters. People talk

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Speaker 1: about culture eats scheme up all day, but in both

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Speaker 1: of these examples, DJ, based on what we know about

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Speaker 1: these teams, it is really true. You get the right people.

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Speaker 1: We can figure out the other stuff, but it's the

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Speaker 1: right people that allow you to play at the championship level.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely to me. I look at this Patriots team too,

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Speaker 2: and I think, Okay, you know you got a big

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Speaker 2: time player Milton Williams up front. But I look in

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Speaker 2: the back end and I see the job that Carlton

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Speaker 2: Davis has done since he came over Woodston. We talked

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Speaker 2: about as a rookie playing at a high level. You

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Speaker 2: got a premier, premier player, one of the top three

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Speaker 2: or four corners in the NFL. And Christian Gonzalez and

494
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Speaker 2: then Marcus Jones has been one of the best nickels.

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Speaker 2: And I remember Belichick, you know, we used to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. Remember when we've had this conversation. We've done

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Speaker 2: these shows for so long. Everybody was front to back,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Belichick was one of

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Speaker 2: the first ones. He said, no, no, we're going to build

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Speaker 2: it back to front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't put a premium on this. So here's

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Speaker 1: what's funny, right, They spent all this time moving off

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Speaker 1: of the Patriots Way and Bill Belichick only to come

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Speaker 1: back and go to the super Bowl doing a new

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Speaker 1: and improved version of the Patriot Way. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that Mike Rabel is Bill Belichick, but I will

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Speaker 1: say is he is successful taking what he learned as

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Speaker 1: a player in New England and put it back in

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Speaker 1: the play. When I look at this team, this team

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Speaker 1: is the early two thousands Patriots. This is a team

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Speaker 1: where the collective is better than the sum of all

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Speaker 1: the individual parts. But when you see how they put

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Speaker 1: the pieces together, how they're selfless, and how they play.

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Speaker 1: They are exactly what I saw dominate in the early

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Speaker 1: two thousands. And to your point about the back end,

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Speaker 1: the thing that the Patriots are able to do in

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Speaker 1: one of the things they were always able to do

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Speaker 1: when they were really good, their ability to play multiple

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Speaker 1: different coverages based on who they're playing. Some games, it

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Speaker 1: can be a man de man game, because we saw

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Speaker 1: in the Denver game when the weather shifted they became

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Speaker 1: sticky man de man. No layups, no easy things. There

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Speaker 1: have been times where they played other teams. It's all zone.

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Speaker 1: But the only way you do that I iq players

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Speaker 1: who do the work away from it, so you can

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Speaker 1: give them a lot of volume that allows you to

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Speaker 1: be able to change and use different tools for different games. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I talked Buck about the balance in the roster construction

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Speaker 2: for Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's sneaky when you look at it because I would say, Seattle,

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Speaker 2: if we were going to do what we've done in

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Speaker 2: the past and draft the players off these two rosters

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Speaker 2: and say we picked a random number like thirty, I

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Speaker 2: would guess we'd have eighteen, you know, Seattle players, maybe

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Speaker 2: twelve New England players, you know, it's a gap that

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Speaker 2: would favor the rosters. But then I'm okay, you got

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Speaker 2: Seattle scoring offense first, scoring defense, third, New England's scoring offense, second,

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Speaker 2: scoring defense fourth. This is another roster that's the top

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Speaker 2: five in the league on both sides in terms of

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Speaker 2: the most important stat which is the scoreboard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we often say and I feel

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Speaker 1: like this. Havn't like seen Mike Rabels Tennessee Titans teams

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Speaker 1: against Jacksonville for years. I feel like he is always

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Speaker 1: being able to squeeze out the most from the least,

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Speaker 1: and whatever they don't have in talent they make up

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Speaker 1: for in tactics and strategy. And I've seen them league games.

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Speaker 1: I've seen them understand situation of football at a high level,

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Speaker 1: even though it didn't pay off in points. Drake may

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Speaker 1: Scramblin taking the knee so they could get the field

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Speaker 1: goal attempt off of one second left in the AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game, to me, speaks to how they operate and

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Speaker 1: how they understand situations. People are gonna talk about this game,

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Speaker 1: and we're a previous the game, and there's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a buzz that all the seas are gonna blow

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Speaker 1: them out, and maybe they will, but I think this

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Speaker 1: game is a lot more competitive then people give it

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Speaker 1: credit based on how when we go through the rosters

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Speaker 1: and you say like this and that, then you look

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Speaker 1: at the numbers, like man, I know people talk about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots kind of back and then, but maybe three

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Speaker 1: really good teams to get there. And when you look

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Speaker 1: at the roster construction, all of the pieces fit. And

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this. When you're building a team, you're

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Speaker 1: not collecting talent, you're building the best team. And I

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Speaker 1: think for both of these teams, the team really is

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Speaker 1: well constructed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is absolutely the case to two teams that

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Speaker 2: earned their way to the Super Bowl. And that was

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Speaker 2: a fun way to look at it. You know how

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Speaker 2: the rosters have been constructed and using the different ways

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Speaker 2: to do it for both of those squads. All Right,

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Speaker 2: that was the workshop presented by Low's, an official sponsor

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Speaker 2: of Super Bowl sixty. We Help You Save Buck. That

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Speaker 2: was fun. It was a fun episode. I think it's

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Speaker 2: helpful as we get into draft season and free agencies

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Speaker 2: and to see what plays. I always talk about what

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Speaker 2: plays in terms of skill sets for players, and it's

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Speaker 2: also interesting to see what plays in terms of how

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Speaker 2: do you build out a roster?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, man, is so fun. This is

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Speaker 1: a fun part of it. Like we always talk about

583
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Speaker 1: like being able to study and then do the fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is the fun stuff seeing how teams are constructed,

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Speaker 1: no doubt.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we will be back next week. We

587
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Speaker 2: will have a chance to really dive in and what

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Speaker 2: we saw in these All Star games. We're also going

589
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Speaker 2: to have a chance to recap Buck's mock draft as

590
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Speaker 2: well as the top five are going to be coming

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Speaker 2: out soon, so we have a chance to jump in

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Speaker 2: on that as well. Be sure to check out both

593
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Speaker 2: those mock drafts. You can find them on NFL dot com.

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Speaker 2: My top fifties out there as well, you can check

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Speaker 2: that out. So, uh, it's the end of the season, Buck,

596
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Speaker 2: but yet it's the start of another one as we

597
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Speaker 2: get towards the spring and what should be a really

598
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Speaker 2: really fun roster building phase of the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best part been in together looking towards

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Speaker 1: the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There you doing all right? That can do it

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Speaker 2: for us?

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Speaker 1: Everybody. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. Right here on Little Sticks