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Speaker 1: very much figured out how to make jokes with emoji. Yes. Wait,

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Speaker 1: our radio phillies. I hearn't radio Fox Sports Radio. Amongst

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Speaker 1: the nearly four hundred cities that carry this program. Here's

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's deal. He is never going to play for

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Speaker 1: the Colts again. Mike Florio wrote, Sam Ellinger officially becomes

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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback of the Colts. If he fails or

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Speaker 1: gets injured, Nick Foles will take over. If Foles gets injured,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback will be anybody but Matt Ryan. Florio goes

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Speaker 1: on to say, it's all about the contract, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna save I think around seventeen million dollars if they

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Speaker 1: decide now they're not going to use him next year.

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Speaker 1: They're going to basically say, you're gonna get guaranteed money.

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Speaker 1: I think around twelve million dollars base salary next year.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get twelve million to not play for the

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Speaker 1: Colts next year. They just didn't want to pay the

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Speaker 1: extra money that goes along with keeping him on the roster.

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Speaker 1: He will not play for the Colts ever again. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now he knows that. Matt Ryan, his agent knows that.

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Speaker 1: Can he ask for his release? Yes, yes, he could

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Speaker 1: be traded by next Tuesdays deadly, Yes, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's got this fully guaranteed. Is there a contending team?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If Matt I don't know, if there's

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Speaker 1: somebody that you go let's plug and play, and he

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Speaker 1: thinking more of a high end backup for a run

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Speaker 1: for a contending team. That seems like a lot of

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Speaker 1: capital to give up to give it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it's going to cost you to get him, but

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Speaker 1: if you had him as almost a quarterbacks coach, offensive

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Speaker 1: up for that, but that would be the only way

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Speaker 1: I think you could see something like this happening. I'm

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Speaker 1: very proud of what we've done with our podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: episode three of Running Smoke. It Out now. The journalist

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Speaker 1: Rajeev Gala goes deeper to find out how the NASCAR

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Speaker 1: driver Derek White got involved in an illegal tobacco smuggling ring.

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Speaker 1: Here's a clip of the latest episode of Running Smoke.

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Speaker 1: There was so much surveillance going on for months and

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Speaker 1: want him to know, as you're screwing your gunn in

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Speaker 1: his ear that's the peacekeepers call me and they said

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Speaker 1: on Running Smoke, cops have been watching Derek's every move

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Speaker 1: for more than a year. They're ready to spring the trap,

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Speaker 1: but Derek says he's done nothing wrong. That was a middleman,

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Speaker 1: that's all I wasn't I was dragged into this this mess.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't caught up on Running Smoke yet, you

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Speaker 1: Very proud of this, and it feels like this is

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Speaker 1: gonna maybe be optioned into a TV series. It's that good.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of things that play here. Yes,

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Speaker 1: middleman always gets and they never see it coming either. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what the heck? Ho was just the middleman? Why am

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Speaker 1: I taking the fall for this? I saw where the

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Speaker 1: great agent Lee Steinberg told Mike McCarthy of Front Office

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Speaker 1: Sports that he thinks Aaron Judge could get a deal,

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Speaker 1: a guaranteed deal, five hundred million dollars ten years. And

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Speaker 1: Lee Steinberg is the agent who helped negotiate Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: contract five hundred million dollars, which means ten years for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. The Giants have reportedly said we're not going

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Speaker 1: to be outbid on this. That's interesting as well the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: There's whispers of do the Dodgers get involved? Have done this?

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Speaker 1: He's going to get paid? Do I want to give

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Speaker 1: him ten years? And the answers absolutely positively. No. Do

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Speaker 1: I want to run the risk of losing him? And

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Speaker 1: the answer would be the same thing that happened with

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. Yes, if I have confidence in

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Speaker 1: my baseball people that they can develop talent or maybe

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Speaker 1: bring in somebody else, then I would let Aaron Judge walk.

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Speaker 1: I know the Yankees. The Yankees approach the Yes network

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Speaker 1: NBC when you'd have Seinfeld or Friends. They create a

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Speaker 1: TV show and by that I mean they bring in stars.

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Speaker 1: They want you to tune in to watch the stars.

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Speaker 1: It's not a team as much as watch the stars.

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Speaker 1: Garrett cole Gencarlos Stanton. Now you might say those aren't

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Speaker 1: the Yes Network, when you had Pisado with Jeter and

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Speaker 1: Pettit and Clemens and run down the list. That'll be

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Speaker 1: the hard part is you lose Aaron Judge and what

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Speaker 1: he means to your box office, what he means to

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Speaker 1: your TV network. That would be a difficult one. I

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Speaker 1: mean they're gonna already regret They're already regretting Gene Carlos

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Speaker 1: Stanton's three hundred million dollars contract, and they're gonna regret

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole's contract as well. You start to look at

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Speaker 1: some of these teams, like the Cardinals don't really do

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Speaker 1: know of anybody other than those in Saint Louis and

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Nobody talks about Paul Goldschmidt. Now, I

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Speaker 1: didn't do well in the postseason, but you know I

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Speaker 1: would trust my team, my front office. Can you make

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Speaker 1: wisely than ten years, five hundred million dollars? Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: the Yankees can validate this and go, yeah, it makes sense, yes,

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Speaker 1: is he going to be a bargain now? I did

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Speaker 1: this deal, what our quarterbacks going to get paid. It's

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Speaker 1: like Bryce Harper when he went to the Phillies. I said,

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Speaker 1: you're going to get a bargain with Bryce Harper. Mike

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Speaker 1: Trout a twelve year deal for what four hundred and

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Speaker 1: out to see Mike Trout. I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: and you go wow, first balla Hall of Famer, But

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Speaker 1: Judge brings you to the ballpark? First of all, he's

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Speaker 1: Paul Bunyan, he's sixty seven, and then he's hitting home runs.

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Speaker 1: Mike Trout is just a great baseball player. But I

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Speaker 1: you're going out to see I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: like I took my family to one of the last

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Speaker 1: I said, I just want you to you can say

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Speaker 1: Just Derek Jeter. He probably was two for four runs

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge ten years so he's gonna be forty forty one.

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Speaker 1: slow down a little bit. He's had injury five million. Yes, po,

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Speaker 1: four months younger than Mike Trout, which doesn't make sense,

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Speaker 1: Mike Trout has been more much more consistent than Aaron Judge.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't have He's never had a sixty two

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Speaker 1: You know what, what is the problem you have with advantage?

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Speaker 1: And the Astros are still going to be there. Talk

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Speaker 1: about a team that develops pictures? Good God, then you

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Speaker 1: throw in Verlander. Now Verlander, how long can he continue

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Speaker 1: to do this? But they still have a good core there? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You lose Carlos Korea and you lose a couple other guys,

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Speaker 1: George Springer, They're like, all right, farm system, replace them

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Speaker 1: Certain guys love sports, love playing a sport. Some guys

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Speaker 1: are just good at it. They don't love it, They're

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Speaker 1: just really good at it. You know, Andrew Luck, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he loved it. He was just really

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Speaker 1: good at him. And then I always thought with Bo

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Speaker 1: did he did he love football or did he He

428
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Speaker 1: was just great at football, but he loved baseball. He

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Speaker 1: loved track. He loved track like he loved track at Auburn.

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Speaker 1: He was a great, great Brenner. He would have been

431
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Speaker 1: an Olympian. There's almost no doubt about it's skill wise.

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Speaker 1: He was there. I mean he ran a four one

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Speaker 1: three forty at Auburn. He he liked football, He liked

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Speaker 1: some of the elements of football. He liked baseball more

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Speaker 1: than football. He liked the pacing of baseball, the camaraderie

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Speaker 1: of baseball. But really he was coming, he was showing

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Speaker 1: up the stadium, he was doing his job. He was leaving.

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Speaker 1: I also just want to say Dan, he shows up

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders and they actually are skeptical of his

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Speaker 1: forty time. So Tom Flores is a coach and he

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Speaker 1: has him run a forty on grass in pads and

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Speaker 1: he runs a four one nine. They don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: They have him do it again on grass in pads

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five pounds. He runs a four

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Speaker 1: one seven. He ran it better the second time. He

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Speaker 1: wait his first Major league, got back his first Major

447
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Speaker 1: I got bad. September two, nineteen eighty six, Royal's White Sox.

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Speaker 1: He hits a grounder to second base tim Ulett. He

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Speaker 1: beats it out three point six seconds. It is the

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Speaker 1: fastest record a second fastest recorded time ever from home

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Speaker 1: to first for by a right handed hitter. It's his

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Speaker 1: first step at The only guy ran faster top tape

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Speaker 1: wise was Mickey Mantle. Yeah, I remember that. It's a joke.

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Speaker 1: I do love this story when Bo got brought up

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Speaker 1: to the Royals because he was coming up and that

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Speaker 1: was a veteran team. You had some you had some

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Speaker 1: crusty old veterans there. Tell the story when Bow you know,

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Speaker 1: first goes into the locker room. Well he shows up.

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Speaker 1: It's like so tone deaf. It's fantastic with a stack

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Speaker 1: of glossies of him with the Heisman trophy, and he

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Speaker 1: signed them all and went locker to locker and left

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Speaker 1: them on the seats, thinking, like Frank White and George Brett,

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Speaker 1: what they really need in their lives is an autographed

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Speaker 1: picture or some twenty two year old and how McRae

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Speaker 1: was the DH in his last year with the Oros.

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Speaker 1: And he goes around following boat and he takes the

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Speaker 1: pictures and starts throwing them up in the air, and

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Speaker 1: everyone starts throwing their own pictures up in the air,

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Speaker 1: and George Brett looks around and he like takes four

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Speaker 1: of them and hangs them up by his locker. Everyone

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Speaker 1: else just chucks him away. He was arrogant, but now

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Speaker 1: that he was cocky, he was confident. He was not arrogant,

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Speaker 1: very confident. I had an opportunity the first time I

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Speaker 1: interviewed him, he had won the Heisman and uh I

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Speaker 1: was working at CNN, sat down and did an interview

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Speaker 1: and he had a really bad stuttering problem, and so

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Speaker 1: you didn't really know about him. What you knew was

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Speaker 1: what you watched with Bow. And he wasn't effusive. He

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Speaker 1: and I kind of careful in what he was saying

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Speaker 1: and how he was saying it. But later on I

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Speaker 1: played golf with him and Jim McMahon. Oh wow, and

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Speaker 1: Bow puts one handed and he was great because I

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Speaker 1: let McMahon and Bow talk because I, being a reporter

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Speaker 1: or journalist I did. I wanted them to just have fun.

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Speaker 1: So we were playing a round of golf in Chicago

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Speaker 1: and I just remember Bow putting one handed and I asked,

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Speaker 1: I said, why are you putting one handed? He goes, well,

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Speaker 1: look at how well you put two handed, And I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay. But he he but he was

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Speaker 1: telling stories back then, whereas you know, he probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have done that if it was just me and you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody else. But with McMahon, McMahon was able to talk

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Speaker 1: talk to him and get him to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more forthcoming. Wait, Dan, you know you know how

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Speaker 1: we you and I in the in the in media,

496
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Speaker 1: we come across certain guys who aren't really good for us,

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Speaker 1: but we admire them because we understand that they're actually

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Speaker 1: Like I remember doing a story years ago, Sports Illustrates

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Speaker 1: send me to do a piece on Paul Kanerko the

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Speaker 1: White Sox First Basement and I showed up in Chicago

501
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Speaker 1: and the guy said to me, I'm just gonna be

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Speaker 1: honest with you. I don't really want an article on me.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing against you. I just don't really want that.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm pretty happy right now and I'm living my life,

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Speaker 1: and I just I don't need five pages in a

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Speaker 1: magazine about me. I'm good. And you're like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I just flew out here. But you also kind of

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Speaker 1: admire it. And I feel like that's about Jackson in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Like everyone's like, oh, it's such

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Speaker 1: a shame your career was cut short. He's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't see. He's a shame you could have been in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I don't really care, Like I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. And I kind of admire that, in fact,

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Speaker 1: very much admire that about the guy. He's not out

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Speaker 1: there comparing himself to Derrick Henry. He's not out there

516
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Speaker 1: saying you think this guy's good, you should have seen me.

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Speaker 1: I could have been Mike Chow never, never, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the most beautiful things about him.

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Speaker 1: What's like John Stockton, John Stockton, we'd get to the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals and NBC would be begging John to do

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Speaker 1: an interview, and he just had I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do it. That's not why I play. I played to play,

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Speaker 1: not to do these interviews. What did you find out

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Speaker 1: about the hip injury with Bow? Well, it was, first

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Speaker 1: of all, the Raiders really butchered it at first. He

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Speaker 1: was basically, you know, it's a stabilitating hip injury, and

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Speaker 1: he's on the sideline from the rest of the game,

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Speaker 1: he's in the in the locker room. After just kind

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Speaker 1: of hanging around talking, he went to Buffalo next week

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Speaker 1: when they lost to the Bills fifty one to three.

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Speaker 1: When he finally got a scan of the hip, there

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Speaker 1: was a huge black mark on the scan and the

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Speaker 1: doctor says, Bow, do you know what that is? And

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Speaker 1: he's like no. He goes, that's your blood pooling in

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Speaker 1: your hip. And he you know, he had just signed

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Speaker 1: he right after that hip injury happened. He insists everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be fine. The Royals signed him to a two million

539
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Speaker 1: dollar contracts and that was big at the time. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they thought he was going to report to spring

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Speaker 1: training and be okay. He reports the spring training on

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Speaker 1: these purple crutches, and he goes to George, Alabama to

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Speaker 1: see Frank Andrews, doctor Andrews, to get a look at

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Speaker 1: the hip. And while he's in Alabama, the Royals release

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Speaker 1: him because they're either gonna be on the on the

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Speaker 1: books for two million dollars or they're not. And they're

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Speaker 1: just like, you're not going to come back from this.

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Speaker 1: You can't come back from this. It is impossible for

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Speaker 1: you to come back from this. And the thing about

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Speaker 1: the Royal Zervanta's point, John Schuerholzard Stewart, they didn't want

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Speaker 1: him playing football from the beginning, and they said from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, don't do this, don't do this, told

553
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Speaker 1: his agent don't do this. He insisted on doing it.

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Speaker 1: He was mad at them after they released him, but

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Speaker 1: I don't really see what option they had. And then

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Speaker 1: he got an artificial hip. Well, first he put here's

557
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Speaker 1: a crazy thing nine one. He signs with the White Sox.

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Speaker 1: Everyone thinks it's a joke, a gag, White Sox just

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Speaker 1: getting some publicity points. He comes back at the end

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Speaker 1: of that year playing without an artificial hip, and basically

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Speaker 1: the limping along and he's not awful, but he comes

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Speaker 1: back for spring training in ninety two and it's a

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Speaker 1: really sad there's a sad moment I wrote about in

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Speaker 1: the book. He's playing, he's limping all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He hits a ground or it's a spring training game.

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Speaker 1: To short cecil Field is playing first with the Tigers.

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Speaker 1: He holds his hands up to Alan tram I was saying,

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Speaker 1: don't throw the ball. Don't throw the ball because it's

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Speaker 1: so pathetic watching Bow limp down the line. He didn't

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Speaker 1: want to embarrass him. He gets a hip replacement, comes

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Speaker 1: back in ninety three, White Sox make the playoffs. He

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Speaker 1: hits a huge hone run to get him theregast. Dave

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Speaker 1: Fleming in Seattle, we're talking to Jeff Perlman. The book

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Speaker 1: is a great book to pick up. The last full

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Speaker 1: Key Row the Life and Myth of Bow Jackson. You

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Speaker 1: also wrote the Brett far book, and then everything that

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Speaker 1: came out. You sent out a tweet I believe, saying basically,

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Speaker 1: don't buy this book. If you haven't bought it, don't

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Speaker 1: buy it. Do you see any of this coming? I

580
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: feel like in a way, we all did this wrong.

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Speaker 1: We in the media I won't speak for you, but

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Speaker 1: I'm saying like when he sent that this is gonna

583
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Speaker 1: sound corny. When he sent the pictures of his private

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Speaker 1: parts to Jen Stirger's a sideline reporter, I feel like

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Speaker 1: Brett five should have been dead to ourselves, like that

586
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: should have been enough, you know, like what kind of

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00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: person does that? And we we always fell for the

588
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: gun slinger swagger. He's a gun slinger. Look, he's coming

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: back with the vikings. My book was a hard look

590
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: at him. It was not a glorious look of Brett Farve.

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Speaker 1: But I still think did I fall for this? So

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Speaker 1: the reason I sent out that tweet the guy allegedly

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: took money. He's from Mississippi. This is your state. It

594
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Speaker 1: is the poorest state in the nation. People need welfare

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Speaker 1: money to survive, and you and the governor are funneling

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Speaker 1: welfare money to pay for a volleyball arena, a yr

597
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: alma mater that you could afford. I always think, like,

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Speaker 1: did you learn nothing from your career, from the diversity

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00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: of sports, from being around guys different backgrounds. You've certainly

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00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: played with guys who grew up in largely African American

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Speaker 1: communities who grew up on welfare, who grew up with

602
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: hard working parents who needed help? Did you learn nothing?

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00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: Does that just mean nothing to you? And I was

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: so disturbed and so disgusted. I was like, don't buy

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00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: this book. Don't waste your time reading about this jackass. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, my guys want to pitch you your next book?

607
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: Love it? Okay? All right? Uh, Paulie, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: Give me your elevator pitch for Jeff. I think Larry

609
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: Bird is one of the greatest athletes of all time.

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Speaker 1: I think the story of his youth, there's a lot

611
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: of stuff there about Bob Knight and going to Indiana

612
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: was he was he doing garbage and he's founded a

613
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Speaker 1: pool and all this stuff with Indiana State, his family,

614
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Speaker 1: his father. There's a lot of people people outside of

615
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Speaker 1: Indiana don't know his background. And I think a really

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00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: detailed book would be fantastic. Hasn't that already been written

617
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Speaker 1: with him? He was wrote Bob Ryan already drive with

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Speaker 1: Bob Ryan. Yeah, okay, Setan, what's your pitch? Well, this

619
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Speaker 1: is another athlete who seemingly has endless legendary stories about him,

620
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: probably more humorous than anything, because the dude was just

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Speaker 1: like a walking I don't know, just one line after

622
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Speaker 1: the other. But John's hitting three sixteen, Ricky's hitting three thirty.

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Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson, I could The stories about him are just

624
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Speaker 1: the absolute best. But I know there have been a

625
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: couple of books about him, but I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: gotta be more stories out there. All right, Wait, Dick,

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Speaker 1: I just say, yeah. Howard Bryant released a book probably

628
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: five months ago called Ricky. It's a tremendous, tremendous biography.

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Speaker 1: It's literally sitting on my desk. Why I was saying,

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Speaker 1: Howard wrote this already, and you can still have another one, Todd,

631
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Speaker 1: what's your pitch? My pitch is If not the Brothers,

632
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: then we focus on Sterling Sharp seven seasons. He was

633
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Speaker 1: onto major greatness, had the neck injury personality. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: quite as much as Shannon Sharp, but I'd be looking.

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Speaker 1: I'd be interested in a deep dive on Sterling Sharp.

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Speaker 1: I think gets a little two niche. Yeah, then we'll

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Speaker 1: do the Wesley Walker biography. Yes, one eye, he's my

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Speaker 1: kind of guy. Uh, Marv, you got a pitch for Jeff?

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Speaker 1: You know what the business of Lebron James with Rich

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Speaker 1: Paul Maverick Carter, the entire thing from the jump. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it's probably been written about. But Jeff, like, the

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Speaker 1: Showtime book was ridiculously good. So just a real deep

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Speaker 1: dive into even the calves. Now I got you kissing

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Speaker 1: up a little bit. Oh yeah, Lakers was great. Uh, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: what what are some of the ones that you're thinking about?

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Speaker 1: I actually have been talking at length about just with friends,

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Speaker 1: about Larry Bird as a possible I think there is

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Speaker 1: a great Larry Bird biography to be written. You know,

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Speaker 1: their last book was I think it was a Bob

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Speaker 1: Bryan book when he was still playing. Hold on, Jeff, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what about un LV late eighties, early nineties? There's some stories? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's the thing is I always ask? I'm

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Speaker 1: being serious, Like the question is like, is there a

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Speaker 1: mass audience appeal? Are nothing? I'm not saying there isn't,

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Speaker 1: but are enough people gonna buy on a UNLV book?

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Speaker 1: Are the names big enough? Tarcanian, maybe, Larry Johnson, Stacy Augman.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know for sure. You come saying this

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Speaker 1: and gamblers and you know, wait, let me ask you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm being serious. Someone pitch me an idea. The or

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Speaker 1: said to me the other day, you should do a

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Speaker 1: book about D's wrestling like w W E Night. It's

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Speaker 1: not a harb idea. Right, Well, you know you're gonna have,

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Speaker 1: you know, a mass audience that are going to be

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Speaker 1: interested in that. Absolutely what, Marv? You won another pitch?

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Speaker 1: I'm switching it. No, no no, no, the Urban Maya Florida

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Speaker 1: Gators teams. Who that's not bad, that's pretty good, that's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. All right, I'm in, I'm in. You're in,

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Press, Well, are you getting? You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes with urban Meyer because he's probably not gonna

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Speaker 1: want to tell about this. I'll just go to the

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Speaker 1: bar he owns and hang out with the Wow cractve

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Speaker 1: women in Wow. Look at that shots fired? Did you

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Speaker 1: hear what Pearlman said about urban Meyer? Good luck with

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Speaker 1: the book us and it's one of those fascinating guys

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Speaker 1: that you're right. He didn't say much. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many great interviews you actually heard. But the stories

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Speaker 1: about Bow told by other people, that's what makes it

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Speaker 1: so much fun. But because they tell it in a

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Speaker 1: way where you're not going to believe this. But and

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Speaker 1: then you believe. You eventually believe it when you know

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Speaker 1: they back it up. I do you you just want to

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Speaker 1: say he hit a baseball in a game against Fairfield

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Speaker 1: High that went so high that the left fielder. By

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Speaker 1: the time it came down bow was rounding third base.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was ridiculous. And I talked about

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Speaker 1: twelve different people from that game and they all told

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Speaker 1: me the same story. So maybe it's not true, but

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Speaker 1: maybe it is. But didn't you talk to the picture

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Speaker 1: I did talk to. I don't know if I talked

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Speaker 1: to the picture from that game. I talked to the

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Speaker 1: left fielder, called the ball the left fielder, okay, and

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Speaker 1: talk to the picture from the game against Georgia. Okay. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Always great to talk to you. Jeff. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's Jeff Perlman, New York Times best selling author The

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Speaker 1: Last Folk. He row had the showtime Lakers. He's doing

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Speaker 1: well on a roll and maybe gonna pick up Paulie's

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: suggestion Larry Bird. I felt pretty bad when I found

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Speaker 1: out Bob Ryan had written that was that was I

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Speaker 1: think twenty years ago. Bob Ryan wrote that fifteen years ago. Yeah, See,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't feel as bad as not remembering that you

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Speaker 1: literally have. I'm touching it right now, literally right. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson, he's my favorite. Oh no, it's right, hits.

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Speaker 1: Literally I can I don't even have to move. I

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Speaker 1: can put my hand on the book. It's right there.

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Speaker 1: How about we take a break. Phone calls coming up

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Speaker 1: back after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday

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Speaker 1: This isn't your typical sportspod pushing the same tired narratives

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Speaker 1: starts at seven eastern on NBC and Peacock Paulie said,

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Speaker 1: if you could go back through time and you could say,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make this person healthy for their entire career,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take Bo Jackson out of the equation because

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Speaker 1: Bo always wins that one. Who's the athlete, Who's the

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00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: athlete that you would recommend, nominate, that you would want

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Speaker 1: to see them be able to play an entire career.

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Speaker 1: And yes, those on social media who noticed Jeff Perlman's

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Speaker 1: pictures behind him, they were not straight. They were crooked.

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Speaker 1: I did notice that. It did bother me greatly, but

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I kept looking at his pictures and they

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Speaker 1: were crooked, and I was not making eye contact with him.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to say, when you straighten

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Speaker 1: out your photos there, Jeff. All right, Paulie, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you start. I'll go first, go back to nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: There was a fantastic player on the NIXT name Bernard King.

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Speaker 1: I think history has forgot about Bernard King. At age

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, he late in a season, ripped up his knee.

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Speaker 1: He was averaging thirty three points a game, Dan he

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Speaker 1: was that's five points ahead of the second leading score

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. They finished that season and they were

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Speaker 1: one of the worst teams. They got Patrick Ewing magic.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing walked into the Knicks where he didn't have

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Speaker 1: to be the focal point. And Bernard King was twenty

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Speaker 1: eight years old average, you know, an easy thirty. That

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Speaker 1: next team could have gone in a better direction earlier,

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Speaker 1: and definitely a history would have treated Bernard King better.

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Speaker 1: Bernard King told me one time I asked him because

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Speaker 1: he was six to five, I said, how are you

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Speaker 1: getting your shot off? Jumpers over anybody? And he said

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Speaker 1: that he started his shot, he'd have his back to

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Speaker 1: the basket, he'd post you up, but he would start

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Speaker 1: shooting as he's turning. He didn't wait to turn to shoot.

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Speaker 1: He started turning and ready to shoot. And that's how

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Speaker 1: he would say. I don't remember him getting his shot blocked.

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Speaker 1: Certainly in his prime, unstoppable. Bernard King was unbelievable. But

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Speaker 1: trying to get a shot off and that's how he'd

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Speaker 1: do it. Todd, what's your recommendation? Dale Stairs comes to

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Speaker 1: mind my own bias. I have to go at Terrell Davis.

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Speaker 1: As silly as that might sound, I think he had

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Speaker 1: several more amazing seasons in him, and that I would

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Speaker 1: have liked to have seen him play a few more

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Speaker 1: years at that level. After the Super Bowl, Yeah, Gail

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Speaker 1: Sarahs is a wonderful call. And I might have cried.

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Speaker 1: I might have cried that day when he got hurt

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Speaker 1: I just remember he was just different. There. There was

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Speaker 1: than anybody I'd ever seen before. Setnel Connor. First name

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Speaker 1: that popped into my head was Grant Hill. You know

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Speaker 1: who just sent in an email suggestion, Will Farrell. Will

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Speaker 1: Farrell just said Grant Hill. So you and great mind

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Speaker 1: and be like, Will Ferrell, what about you, Marv, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Brandon Roy. He was on a tear

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