1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: We got our monitors going here in the studio in NYC, 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: and we can see that right as. I think they 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: must be listening to the show. And we would welcome 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: if the CNN staff wants to know what actual news 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: sounds like and commentary sounds like, they're welcome to tune 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: in and take as many tips and things from us 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: as they can as soon as And I will tell 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: you I had not seen any coverage of the Hunter 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: Biden whistleblower allegations on CNN or MSNBC up to this point. 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: Within sixty seconds after we brought it up here on 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: the air, sure enough they were talking about it. And 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: I think it was pretty interesting the way they were 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: framing it. They had Evan Perez, who's their DOJ, their 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: justice correspondent, right, the reporter that covers that stuff, and 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: here's what they said about it. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Clenn. 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: It brings me back to a point that you made 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: I think here on the show yesterday. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh but before I get. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: To that, I just want to note I'm actually kind 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: of impressed with the Hunter text message, Like that was 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: some real, like thuggish you know, you better do this 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: or else, buddy, my dad's here will ruin your life. 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: Like I didn't know Hunter had it in him, you know, 27 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: to throw some elbows. I thought he was a little 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: bit of a a little bit whimpier than that. So 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: he gets tough on the text message when he thinks 30 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: he has Pop sitting next to him. 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: But oh, you know, I think that text message they 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: actually put the text on the text message on the screen. 33 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: So this brings us to this. You mentioned this yesterday. 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: They're having to admit because that text We're going to 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: talk to Congressman Jason Smith in the second hour about 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: he's spearheading this. He's the one who came out yesterday 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: and said this is what the whistleblowers have told us. Right, 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: they're having to get ready for the admission that Joe Biden, 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: completely repeatedly in public while running for election, go down 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: the list just ballface, lied about not knowing what Hunter 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: what Hunter was up to. Yep, that he was complicit 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: in it at some level, even if he was just 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: allowing his name to be thrown around and he wasn't 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: actively soliciting money, he was complicit of it. Okay, they're 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna fall back. I think what we see 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: Clay is they're gonna fall back on Okay, he loves 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: his son, he wanted to help him. It's not criminal 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden Hunter. I think they're just they know that. 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: You know that everyone who can see reality understands that 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: the fixes in and everything else. But to sever the 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: tie between Hunter and Joe, the argument is gonna be 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: even if he knew, if he didn't take any action 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: and he didn't get any money, meaning Joe, it's not 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: a criminal offense. It's just unseemly. I think they're getting 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: ready to have to make that defense of this. Yeah, 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: and Buck. 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: Remember even on CNN now, I will mention I just 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: scrolled through the New York Times app There isn't a 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: mention of Hunter, Biden and whistleblowers irs anywhere, But on 60 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: CNN they showed the text and they specifically referenced her 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: cut one, which we're going to play for you. Of 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Joe Biden consistently, he said this for years now, saying 63 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: that he had zero to do with any of Hunter's 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: foreign business dealings. Listen to cut one. 65 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: I have never discussed with my son or my brother, 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses, period. 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: And what I will do is the same thing we 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: did in our administration, will be an absolute wall between 69 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: personal and private and the governments. There wasn't any hint 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: of scandal at all when we were there, and I'll 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: close the same kind of strict, strict rules. That's why 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: I never talked with my son, or my brother or 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 4: anyone else, even the distance family about their business interests. Period. 74 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Buck, it may you may be right. 75 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: They may try to wall off Joe and say he 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: didn't commit a criminal offense. But all of these comments 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: about I never talked with my son about the business 78 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: interest are going to blow up in his face if 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: this twenty seventeen WhatsApp message can be can be fully 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: in some way verified. Now, now I wonder, Buck, Remember 81 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Barack Obama never endorsed Joe Biden. In fact, he said 82 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, I'm endorsing Hillary. 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: And you don't have to do this. Joe what he 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: wanted to run the next time, Remember he told him 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: not to run. 86 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: And it did not endorse Joe Biden until Biden was 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: the nominee. 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Don't you think that. 89 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: Obama would have been aware of how shady Hunter was 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: behaving all throughout the end of his tenure as president 91 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 3: talking about Obama, and certainly he would have been aware 92 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: when Joe Biden, who never had any money, remember Joe, 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: how many houses does Joe Biden have? 94 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: Now? 95 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: Buck got the beach house. Not insubstantial. He's got a 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: multimillion dollar house. I think in Wilmington. How many of 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: you out there who have been government employees? Is it 98 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: Rehoboth by the way, Robot beach Yancy? I think, oh, 99 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: if he's on the beach, we're talking that's four or 100 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: five six mill territory. That's kind of like table stakes 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: in rehobo Beach. So my point on this is how 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: many people out there listening to us who worked their 103 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: entire life in government? Right, Let's say you worked as 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: a teacher. Let's say you worked in state government. Both 105 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: of my parents' buck were State of Tennessee government employees. 106 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: Never made fifty k a year, We never had a 107 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: beach house. How many people out there who were government 108 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: employees have beach houses? 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: Not a ton of them. 110 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Fauci probably does because he was getting paid 111 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: like nine hundred k. A year. 112 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: But by and large, my point on this is Obama 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: and lots of other people in Democrat circles had to 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: become aware of Joe Biden turning on that money spigot 115 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: and recognizing that because it was connected to Hunter. And remember, 116 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: I think this is always worth people say, oh, well 117 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: he was a drug addict. 118 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: To me, that actually becomes super clear that. 119 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: Joe Biden had to be involved, right because if Hunter 120 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: Biden was just, let's be honest, a lot of you 121 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: out there, you hope that you're gonna have a son 122 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: or daughter who's way sharper and way more successful than 123 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: you are. 124 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: My twelve year olds in the studio right now. 125 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: I would love it if you told me in thirty 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: years he's gonna dwarf everything that I've ever done in 127 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: my life. That's the goal of being a parent. So 128 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: if Hunter Biden was just super sharp, super successful, and 129 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: you said, Okay, this kid just happened to be really good, 130 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: then maybe you could say, okay, some of this would 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: be justified to pay him. 132 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: He's a crackhead. 133 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 3: The only reason anybody would have ever paid Hunter the 134 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: drug thing actually works against him. 135 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: And goes to the recklessness of how sloppy this was too, 136 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: because the only way you're not getting caught if your 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: hunter is if you think the system is going to 138 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: protect you because of daddy. And the fundamental question continues 139 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: to be why would anyone pay Hunter Biden a million 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: dollars for. 141 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: Anything correct much less not right? 142 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: That was not an effort to buy influence with his dad. 143 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: And you know, you start to you start to have 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: to get into some some very interesting questions here. I mean, 145 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: I think this is the kind of thing. You know, 146 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: courts have had to weigh on this in the past. 147 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: I mentioned the Bob McDonald. Oh you know who was 148 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: prosecuting Bob McDonald, Yeah, Jack Smith? Jack Smith. This is 149 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: that interesting. Wow, it's such a coincidence. The guy goes 150 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: after the Republican for having a wife even as part 151 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: of this, who was accepting gifts no quid pro quo. 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: They threatened to send the wife of Bob McDonald when 153 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: he was governor of Virginia to prison for I think 154 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: two or three years federal prison in addition to the 155 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: eleven years they wanted to send him to prison. Clay 156 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: there was never even an allegation that he did anything. 157 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: He just accepted gifts, yep, trips, watch things like that. 158 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: That's all yep. And they said, well, that was enough 159 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: because it creates a perception. Oh okay, that's the way 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: that is. But the son of the sitting president now 161 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: then the former vice president or vice president, depending on 162 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: which specific cash transfusion we're talking about, there's not a 163 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: buy off there. There's not a payoff there. 164 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's important because the entire goal of having 165 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: limits on how much people can donate to campaigns is 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: to try to eliminate not only impropriety, right, impropriety. I 167 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: think most of you out there would say, well, getting bribed, 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: which appears may well have happened with Hunter Biden. That's 169 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: clearly wrong, right, That is improper. That is impropriety. But 170 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: our limits on donations are directly connected to not only impropriety, 171 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: but merely the appearance of impropriety, because if you just think, oh, 172 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: that guy might be dirty, it creates distrust in our 173 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: entire government. This is both I believe improper and illegal, 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,239 Speaker 3: but it certainly at a minimum would create the appearance 175 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: of impropriety. And so buck New York Times not covering this, 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: we need to have a discussion about that. Because what 177 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: does Jason Smith need to do the chairman of the 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: House Committee on Ways and Means. We'll talk with him 179 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: here in about twenty minutes, but larger context, this is 180 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: such a seismic story. This is buck I think, the 181 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: first time where you can look at some of the 182 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: evidence that's being marshaled, if it can be authenticated, where 183 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: in some way Joe Biden's ability to run in twenty 184 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: twenty four as a member of the Democrat Party in 185 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: good standing could and our stress could be undersea. 186 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: I think that they've stretched the political discourse overton window 187 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: by charging Trump so many times. Can't even keep track 188 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: of all the different prosecutions, and so they'll just fall 189 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: back on well, at least Joe Biden's not a criminal, 190 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: and you know he just loves his son. And I 191 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: could hear all the ways they're going to try to 192 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: circle the wagons around this despite the situation unfolding before us. 193 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Right now, we'll continue to get into this one. Oh, 194 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: we got a bunch of calls and we've got some lawyers. 195 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: Went away into a lawyer time. All right, we'll get 196 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: to it. 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You heard us yesterday 223 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: reacting to live news that was coming down about IRS 224 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: whistleblowers who had spoken to the House Committee on Ways 225 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: and Means. Congressman Jason Smith had done a fantastic job 226 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: of beginning to tell the story of Hunter Biden and 227 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's relationship and also of preferential treatment that was 228 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: given according to these IRS whistleblowers to Hunter Biden based 229 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: on his certainly being the son of the President of 230 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: the United States, Joe Biden. And so we wanted to 231 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: get Congressman Jason Smith, the chairman of the House Committee 232 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: on Ways and Means, on with us to tell this 233 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: story directly to all of you, and we have now. 234 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Congressman Jason Smith. 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 3: I just gave a little bit of an introduction there 236 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: into the what I would fairly characterize, I think as 237 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: blockbuster revelations that you provided yesterday for people out there 238 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: who have not seen these allegations from the IRS, whistleblower, 239 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: what would you want our audience to know as a 240 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: preliminary here about what you guys have uncovered. 241 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's great to be with you. You know, my 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 6: first week as the chairman of the Ways and Means 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 6: committe this year, I set up a whistleblower hotline for 244 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 6: any employee of the IRS to contact us because the 245 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 6: Ways and Means Committee has jurisdiction over the IRS of 246 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 6: anything we need to look at. And I'll tell you 247 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 6: we've had a lot of whistleblowers come forward, and what 248 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 6: we did yesterday is there was two whistle blowers that 249 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 6: came forward from the IRS. They were both IRS investigators 250 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 6: that in fact have been part of the investigative team 251 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 6: looking into Hunter Biden's tax issues since two thoy and eighteen, 252 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 6: and they came to us because there was several issues. 253 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 6: One issue, they believed that the federal government was not 254 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 6: treating all Americans equally if wealthy and politically If you 255 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 6: were wealthy and politically connected, you had a different standard, 256 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 6: especially if you were politically connected to Biden, you had 257 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 6: a different standard. They also highlighted and alleged in their 258 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 6: fourteen hours worth of testimony that we took with Democrats 259 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 6: present throughout the entire time, So it was Republicans and 260 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 6: Democrats president the entire time. But they also had really 261 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 6: concerning allegations where the Department of Justice would whether they 262 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 6: would delay aspects of the prosecution or the investigation, they 263 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 6: would divulge information to hunter. Biden's attorneys would tip them off, 264 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 6: for example, like we're going to do a search warrant 265 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 6: in your northern Virginia storage unit. They told his attorneys 266 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 6: before they ever did it. It was just countless things, 267 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 6: and then you saw numerous items of how they denied 268 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 6: the independence of the prosecutor in Delaware. So we had 269 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 6: to have a public vote of the entire committee so 270 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 6: that we could make this information public. And the American people, 271 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 6: they deserve transparency. They deserve to know what's out there, 272 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 6: and we'll see where the facts lead us. 273 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: Congress. 274 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: It's buck. 275 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: I just want to know how verified all these different 276 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: components are. Like when we were talking about a whistleblower, 277 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: you set up a tip line. I assume that your 278 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: committee has verified these individuals work for the irs, have 279 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: the kind of jobs and connection to the case. Right, 280 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: and then also specifically on the WhatsApp message that I'm 281 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: sure you saw that was just rocketing around the internet yesterday, 282 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: that's supposed to be from Hunter Biden to I guess 283 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: it's chairman Z. Has this been Are these allegations or 284 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: have these been verified as fact and therefore evidence? 285 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 6: Well, everything that was released yesterday, what's testimony of these 286 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: two whistle blowers and their allegations of what they experienced 287 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 6: or how they were dealt with throughout the years of 288 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 6: investigating Hunters tax returns from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen. 289 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: In fact, it was from their testimony that that WhatsApp 290 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 6: message was delivered, because that was an example that was 291 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 6: being discussed of how the Justice Department was delaying prosecution 292 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 6: because they were trying to delay whether that was verified 293 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 6: or not. So, all of this material came from the 294 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 6: testimony of the two different whistleblowers, which is virtually almost 295 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 6: the same. Their testimony was not together. They were separate interviews, 296 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 6: and these are whistleblowers that have been IRS investigators for 297 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 6: more than ten years. Both of them was represented by 298 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 6: their legal counsel. They're there, they just cared about their 299 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 6: job and they saw something was not happying appropriately and 300 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: they couldn't stand for it any longer. 301 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: So what's the next step? Congressman? 302 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: For people out there who read and we certainly have discussed, 303 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: you've laid out some of the allegations here. To me, 304 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: the natural outcome is, at a minimum, we need to 305 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: have many of these individuals in under oath. Whether it's 306 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: Merrick Garland, whether it is certainly anyone involved in the 307 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: US Attorney's investigation, other higher ups who are involved, certainly 308 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: in the irs, those people need to also provide testimony 309 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: under oath. 310 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: What's next? What can you do? 311 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 3: Who can use subpoena? And in your mind, is this 312 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: laying the groundwork for a potential impeachment of either Joe 313 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: Biden or Merrick Garland. 314 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 6: This is just the beginning. These facts is the first step. 315 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 6: Because of the statute under sixty one oh three authority, 316 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 6: only the Ways and Means Chairman had access to this 317 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 6: private taxpayer information, and that's why we had the vote 318 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 6: to make their testimony public by the committee, and by 319 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 6: doing that that allows the information that was collected in 320 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 6: their testimony to be able to be used by other 321 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 6: committees within Congress, such as the Judiciary Committee, such as 322 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 6: the Oversight Committee that has different areas of jurisdiction, and 323 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 6: there's so many investigations that's being done by those that 324 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 6: now we have created a lot of facts that they've 325 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 6: been searching for but they've been blocked from getting and 326 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 6: we were able to get a lot of that. But 327 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 6: there's what came up was numerous individuals that we do 328 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 6: have to bring in and ask questions with, have them 329 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: on record and under oath. There's a list of several names. 330 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 6: But you're exactly right. This is the beginning and we're 331 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 6: going to see where the facts lead us. But it's 332 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 6: pretty alarming and it's concerning. No individual should be treated 333 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 6: differently in this country under the law because they're wealthy 334 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 6: and political connected to people in power. That's just that's 335 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 6: not the American way. 336 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: Speaking of House Committee on Ways and Means, Chairman Jason Smith, 337 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 2: Congressman Smith, what else are you going to try to 338 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: track down in terms of either additional avenues of inquiry, 339 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: additional information threads that you want to pull on here. 340 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll put one out there. I'm wondering connections 341 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: between Hunter and his dad Joe. 342 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 5: Well. 343 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 6: I mean the message that you referred to as a 344 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 6: WhatsApp add clearly shows that the President of the United 345 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 6: States was seated right next to his son waiting for 346 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 6: a direct call from a Chinese businessman that he had 347 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 6: a financial relationship with. And that counters all the public 348 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 6: comments that the President of the United States has said 349 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 6: that he knows nothing about the business billings of his son. 350 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 6: That clearly is alarming and concerning. It's also alarming and 351 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 6: concerning that there was more than seventeen million dollars that 352 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 6: went to Hunter Biden and his associates, and you know 353 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 6: who are all those those Where's all that money going? 354 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 6: Did it go to some other people that we should 355 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 6: be paying attention to. I mean, Hunter Biden got a 356 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 6: gift of an eighty thousand dollars diamond, he got a 357 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 6: Porsche worth more than one hundred and forty thousand dollars 358 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 6: if he never paid taxes on all this stuff, in fact, 359 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 6: he because Department of Justice, according to the whistleblower's' allegations, 360 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 6: delayed the investigation aspect the statute of limitations expired in 361 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 6: twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen tax years, where they claim 362 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 6: on a conservative estimate, Hunter biden owes the federal government 363 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 6: more than three hundred thousand dollars worth of taxes. Let 364 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 6: me tell you any normal American if that would have happened, 365 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 6: they would have had more than a slap on the wrist. 366 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 6: They would be serving time in prison. 367 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: Congressman, could you have primetime hearings on this, because for 368 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: people out there who hear this one of the super 369 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: frustrating things, and I'd be curious you probably have paid 370 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: some attention or your staff has. Is that the CNNs, 371 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 3: the New York Times, the Washington Post, all of those 372 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: of the world, MSNBC's everybody knows, the usual suspects. They 373 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: will just pretend this story doesn't exist. And it almost 374 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: becomes a necessity to do something like have a prime 375 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: time hearing like we saw related to January sixth, to 376 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: force those networks to carry something of this magnitude, to 377 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: allow the evidence to be out there because there's a 378 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: huge amount of the American public. I appreciate the fact 379 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: that our audience knows, and I'm glad that you're sharing it, 380 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: but I'm sure you know at least half the country 381 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: will have no idea that these allegations and this evidence 382 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: even exist, how do you make them aware? 383 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 6: You're exactly right, and huge struggle that we have, but 384 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 6: we have to continue to fight for the truth to 385 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 6: get out there and push that message. So there's so 386 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 6: many different opportunities I think that lies ahead. We have 387 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: a lot of work to continue to do, and you 388 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 6: bet you we're going to do that. The Ways and 389 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 6: Means Committee is usually a committee that's focused on economic policy, 390 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 6: tax and trade, and healthcare, but you know what, we 391 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 6: also have an oversight requirement and there it's too important 392 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 6: for our country and we're not going to slow down on. 393 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: That outstanding stuff. Congressman, we know it's Friday, we know 394 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: you are super busy. We appreciate you making the time 395 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: to come join us here and break all this down 396 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: with us. 397 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 6: Thank you, no problem, absolutely anytime. 398 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: That is Chairman Jason Smith, House Committee on Ways and Means. 399 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: The revelations I would call them blockbuster that he and 400 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: his committee have put out there relating to the irs 401 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: we started off the show talking about it. Will continue 402 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: to take your calls, as this is certainly a Friday 403 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 3: edition of the program. 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When I see those allegations 445 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: and I compare them to the allegations against Donald Trump, 446 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: associated with classified documents, retention things like that the houseways 447 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: and means. Allegations against Trump and in particular, sorry against 448 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden are far far more severe and serious in nature. 449 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm curious if you would agree and how you would 450 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: assess the information that has come out from these irs whistleblowers. 451 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 5: Well, there's no question the allegations are far more serious. 452 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 5: The question is are they true? The question is what 453 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 5: evidence supports them? The question is does the whistleblower have 454 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 5: direct evidence or hearsay evidence? The question is was Hunter 455 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: Biden actually telling the truth when he said that his father, 456 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 5: who's then not in public office, was sitting next to 457 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 5: him when he spoke to the Chinese. These are all 458 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 5: facts that have to be determined. But the allegations are 459 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 5: very serious. In fact, the allegations possibly rise to the 460 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 5: level of impeachable offenses because if, in fact, the former 461 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 5: vice president and soon to be president of the United 462 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: States was sitting next to Docter Biden and they were 463 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 5: collectively trying to extort and accept a bribe from the Chinese, 464 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 5: what could be more serious than that? The question is 465 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 5: is it true? And the irony here's the irony if 466 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 5: these allegations are true, they may rise to the level 467 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: of an impeachable offense. But look what Congresswoman Brobart did yesterday. 468 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 5: She introduced impeachment articles against the president that were almost 469 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 5: identical to the impeachment articles she voted against when they 470 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: were directed against Donald Trump. A little bit of hypocrisy, 471 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 5: the I mean, you can't have it both ways. Remember 472 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: Trump was initially when I defended him on the floor 473 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 5: of the Senate, he was indicted for abusive power and 474 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: obstruction of Congress. And I successfully argued that's not in 475 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 5: the constitution. The Constitution says, to me's in bribery, other 476 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 5: high crimes and misdemeanors, abusive power, obstruction of Congress are 477 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 5: not included. And we won, and the Republicans all voter 478 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 5: press and yesterday they introduced resolutions accusing Biden of abusive 479 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 5: power and obstruction of Congress, essentially the same thing. 480 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: Well, Professor Durschwitz, don't worry. We never underestimate Republican's ability 481 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: to mess things up here too. So to be fair, 482 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: but I want to ask you on. 483 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: This bribery come stronger case. 484 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, this on this bribery issue, can you just explain 485 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: to me you know, Clay's a lawyer. I'm just a 486 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 2: guy or read stuff. If so, he's not in office, right, 487 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: let's assume the facts, and as you said, that's yet 488 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: to be proven. But if he's there, is it illegal 489 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: if a former official says, give me money and I'll 490 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: help make introductions for you other than Pharah? 491 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: Right? 492 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: But what has to happen for it to be a 493 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: bribe instead of the world's worst business transaction, which is 494 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: what giving Hunter Biden millions of dollars for undisclosed reasons, 495 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: would be do you see what I mean? Like, what 496 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: has to happen for it to be criminal in nature? 497 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 5: It's a great question, and it would be extortion. It 498 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 5: would be Look, unless you pay me the money, I 499 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: will turn my father against you, I will turn all 500 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 5: the other people against you. It's a kind of threat 501 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 5: to induce payment of money that was not justifiably earned 502 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 5: that there have been successful cases of extortion based on that. Now, 503 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 5: you're right, you can't really bribe a private person under 504 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: the laws of most states, and under federal law, it 505 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 5: has to be a government official. But it's a rather 506 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 5: unique situation when the person has just left the vice 507 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 5: presidency and is obviously considering becoming a candidate for the presidency, 508 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 5: So it would take them looking into legally to see 509 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 5: whether or not that rises to the level of an 510 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 5: impeachable offense. And we don't know the answer to that. 511 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: We just don't know whether if a person commits a 512 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 5: high crime and misdemeanor in the interregnum between being vice 513 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 5: president and president, whether that constitutes the ground from peature. 514 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 5: It's never been, never been considered, never been decided before, 515 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: either by Congress or by any court. So we don't 516 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: know the answer to that. 517 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: Alan, how do you think The New York Times would 518 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: be covering the allegations against Joe Biden and Hunter Biden 519 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: if it were Donald Trump and Donald Trump Junior and 520 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: every other fact allegation was the exact same, except it 521 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: was a Democrat House in ways and means committee congressman 522 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: instead of a Republican one. 523 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 5: Well, you're absolutely right. The New York Times has lost 524 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: all of its credibility when it comes to any kind 525 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 5: of non partisan objectivity. And we see it every day. 526 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: We see it every day, and we see it not 527 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: only with regard to publicans Democrats. We see it with 528 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 5: regard to Israel and the Palestinians. They're one sided. 529 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 7: They report their narrative and they report it on the 530 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 7: front page. They cool it news analysis, which helps them 531 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 7: escape being accused of putting editorials on the front page. 532 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 7: They say it's news analysis. Well, what's news analysis and editorial? 533 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 7: It's putting your perspective on the actual news. And that's 534 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 7: what The Times has been doing. 535 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 5: I have to tell you. The Wall Street Journal doesn't 536 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 5: do that. Yeah, it has a strict separation between the 537 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: front page and the editorial page, and you can quarrel 538 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 5: with the editorials, but the reporting is straight on, honest. 539 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: That's not true the New York Times. It's not true 540 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 5: of CNN, it's not true of MSNBC, and it's not 541 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 5: true of many, many, many of the media companies. 542 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: We're talking to Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Esteemed, a 543 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: lawyer in Miami, South Florida. 544 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: Allegations. 545 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: Lawyers, as you well know, sometimes sit around and say, boy, 546 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: which side of this argument would I rather be on? 547 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: Presuming that it eventually goes to trial. Would you rather 548 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: have the Trump defense side or would you rather have 549 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: the federal government prosecution side? In terms of trying to 550 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: convince a jury of the merit of your case. 551 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 5: Well, of course I'd rather have the defense side, because 552 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 5: I'm a defense lawyer. In the heart of the case, 553 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 5: more interested I am in taking it, and so I 554 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 5: would take if I hadn't defended him once before. I 555 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: have a general rule against defending people more than once. 556 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 5: I would take this from defense case. And I think 557 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 5: there are lots of good defenses. 558 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: By the way, if Trump came, sorry to cut you off, 559 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: but if Trump came to you and said, you are 560 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 3: the best criminal defense attorney in the country, I want 561 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: you to defend me in South Florida, would you really 562 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: say I only do cases one time for one client. 563 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 5: Do you know he hasn't asked me that. I can't 564 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 5: comment on that, but I can only tell you that 565 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 5: I have gotten requests from many people to join this 566 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 5: defense team at this point then, and I don't I 567 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: have a policy of only defending a person once. I'll 568 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 5: continue to defend the Constitution in the court of public opinion. 569 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 5: But I'm you know, I've done my obligation, and I've 570 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 5: you know, defended him on the floor of the Senate. 571 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 5: Lost all my friends on Martha's Vineyard got canceled by 572 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 5: the local library got canceled by the local synagogue. I 573 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 5: got canceled by the ninety second Street Why And I 574 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 5: think I've done my duty to the Constitution. But I'll 575 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 5: continue to defend him in the court of public opinion, 576 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 5: but not in the court of law. He's going to 577 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: have a hard time getting first rate lawyers because Project 578 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 5: sixty five, this horrible McCarthy I group of people left 579 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: winging lawyers, including former president of the American Bar Association, 580 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: have threatened any lawyer who defends Donald Trump with disbarmaments, 581 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: and they filed bar charges against everybody. When they said 582 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 5: they were going to do that, I publicly announced that 583 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 5: I would defend any lawyer who had a bar charge 584 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: filed against him for defending Donald Trump. And guess what 585 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 5: they did. They saw the bar charge against me, and 586 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 5: you know, obviously I have a thick skin. I fight back. 587 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 5: But a lot of lawyers have told me they won't 588 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: defend Donald Trump because they're terrified of Project sixty five. 589 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: Professor Dershowitz on the way that you see this likely 590 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: playing out, Clint and I have been talking a lot 591 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: about the timeline here because given the election that is 592 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: already underway, and is only going to be heating up 593 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: in the months ahead. There are enormous external implications for 594 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: when this trial that's now been moved to trial Donald 595 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: Trump to Fort Pierce, Florida, is going to occur. Do 596 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: you think that the trial is likely to happen before 597 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: the next president takes office or is it going to 598 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: be held until after the election. 599 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 5: Well, there's no good time to try this case. That's 600 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 5: why they should never have been an indictment. To indict 601 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 5: a man running for president against the incumbent, you have 602 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 5: to have the strongest slam dunk case, and they don't 603 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 5: have that. It doesn't meet the Richard Nixon standard, may 604 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 5: not even meet the Hillary Clinton standard. But in any event, 605 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 5: they shouldn't have brought the case, but they did, and 606 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 5: we don't know. The judges put it on a fast track. 607 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 5: And now I hear, but I haven't confirmed it, that 608 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 5: New York may be deferring their case and putting it 609 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 5: off until after the federal case. I'm not sure that's true, 610 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 5: but I've heard that, and it's very likely this case 611 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 5: will be tried while the conventions are occurring or during 612 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 5: the election season, and it will be a terrible interference 613 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 5: with an American election. Americans should be voting on inflation, 614 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 5: on China, on the environment, on you name it, but 615 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 5: not on who's worst criminals? Trump or Clinton. I'm sorry, 616 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 5: Trump or. 617 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: By that would work too, But yes, tell us this, 618 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: tell us this one before we before we let you go, professor, 619 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: and by the way, get the professor's book, Alan Dershwitz 620 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: with us. Now get Trump the threat to civil liberties? 621 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: Do process and our constitutional rule of law? 622 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: Are you expecting? 623 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: And I know I'm asking you to prognosticate a little 624 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: bit here, but there's more information today from CNN on 625 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: the electors and immunity and the special council. Do you 626 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: think there's going to be additional federal charges that are 627 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: fouled against Donald Trump? 628 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 5: It's certainly possible. I don't think there will be any 629 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 5: in Georgia, but there could be in Washington City. There 630 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 5: could be in both places, and they're both very favorable 631 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 5: jury pool places for the prosecution, unlike Palm Beach County, 632 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 5: which is a lot there and has a more divided 633 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 5: voting pool. So it's very possible there could be more indictments, 634 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean they'll up. I mean I don't 635 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 5: think there could be an indict based on the telephone 636 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 5: call in Georgia or based on the speech he made 637 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 5: on January sixth. I've written about these things extensively in 638 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 5: my book at Trump and so if you want to 639 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 5: know my full analysis, you know, read the book. You see, 640 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 5: I have a long analysis of both of those cases. 641 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 5: But you know, Garland looks like he's prepared to allow 642 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 5: prosecutions to go forward in the middle of the election season, 643 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 5: and that I think is a tragedy for the American 644 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 5: for American democracy. 645 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: You know Merrick Garland well, and I know we got 646 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: to go to park Well. 647 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 5: I don't only know him, but I don't know. 648 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: Him, but it stunned you quickly in the way that 649 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: he's behaved. 650 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 5: It does. He was a great judge, and I supported 651 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 5: him for the Supreme Court, and I think he still 652 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 5: would have been a very good Supreme Court justice. But 653 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 5: I'm quite critical of his stewardship of the Justice Department 654 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 5: and then the FBI, and I think much is left 655 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 5: to be desired. I'd like to see a commission appointed, 656 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 5: a non partisan commission like the nine to eleven Commission 657 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 5: to look into the FBI from top to bottom. Most 658 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 5: FBI agents are the most wonderful people. I know a 659 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 5: lot of them, I've work with them. I have the 660 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 5: highest praise for them. But the policies of the organization 661 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 5: from the top down have been very questionable, as evidenced 662 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 5: by the Durham Report, which was objective and non partisan. 663 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 5: So I think we need a commission to look at 664 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 5: reform of the FBI and maybe even reform of the 665 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 5: Justice Department. 666 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: Good stuff, Alan Dershowitz. If I ever need an attorney, 667 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 3: I haven't used him yet, I will contact you because I. 668 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: Still have one one to be able to use, unlike 669 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. 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Then you play in buck Out, 688 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: listen to the program live, catch up on any part 689 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: of the show you might have missed. 690 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: Find every podcast as their released and listen. Fine the 691 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 3: Clay and buck app in your app store and make 692 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 3: it fart of your day. 693 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We had just mentioned this before. 694 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 2: There was an exchange in the West wing of the 695 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: White House around the Hunter Biden revelations. 696 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Let's hear this back and forth. 697 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like the White House really has a good explanation. 698 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 8: Yet, does this not undermine the president's claim during the 699 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 8: twenty twenty campaign and the reaffirmations of that claim by 700 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 8: his two Press secretary since then that he never once 701 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 8: discussed his son's overseas business dealings with him. 702 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 5: No, and I'm not going to comment further. We're good, James, James. 703 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 7: Let me just let me save you some let me say, 704 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 7: let me say, let me save you some breath. 705 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: If you're going to ask about this, I am not addressed. 706 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I know you do more than i'd like 707 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: you to have. 708 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 5: I am not going to address this issue from this podium. 709 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 6: I'm just not going to do it. 710 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. 711 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 7: Thank you, Thanks, guys, have a great weeknd. 712 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's not gonna fly, So I want 713 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 3: to play. We're gonna have the crew take down. This 714 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 3: is a fabulous question. And he reads the entire text message, 715 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 3: and I just want. 716 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: You to hear the full import of this question. 717 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 3: Because we rip buck, Let's be fair, we rip a 718 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 3: lot of times the White House Press corps because frankly, 719 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 3: most of them are worthless. 720 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: This is a real question. 721 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 3: If the job of the media is to hold people 722 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 3: in positions of power accountable. 723 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: For the UH, for the overall. 724 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: Process, right, If the goal is to hold people accountable, 725 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: then this is exactly what the media should be doing right. 726 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 3: Super powerful people should be directly confronted with allegations that 727 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: they used that power to personally enrich themselves. This is 728 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: the very essence of the job of the media. And 729 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 3: so Buck, here's what's going on. The game plan for 730 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: most of the Biden White House, as it pertains to 731 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 3: any allegations of impropriety, has been what, oh, that's fake, 732 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 3: Oh that's Russian disinformation. They've now had a full day 733 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 3: to think about what the answer is to this what's 734 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,919 Speaker 3: App message that is now out there that is even 735 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: being covered, as we said earlier in this program by CNN, 736 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 3: and they don't have a talking point. They don't even 737 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: have any explanation. They're not saying, hey, that what's App 738 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 3: message is fake. You heard Jason Smith, the Chairman of 739 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 3: the House Committee on Ways and Means with us earlier, 740 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 3: and Buck, this is important. 741 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: This is not a complicated case. 742 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 3: What Hunter Biden said in that WhatsApp message, which so 743 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 3: far in no way is being disputed by anyone, is 744 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 3: something that everybody can understand. If you don't pay me, 745 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 3: my dad is sitting beside me right now, and there 746 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: will be hell to pay. And I'm paraphrasing is something 747 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 3: that everybody out there understands. This is not the White 748 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 3: Back in the day, remember Whitewater. Nobody really ever understood 749 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 3: that Clinton controversy. This is Joe Biden is the enforcer 750 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 3: of this payment from China, America's chief adversary, and if 751 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: it's not made, his dad is going to rain down 752 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 3: holy hell on him. Biden, remember, has said he had 753 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 3: nothing to do with this at all, and the White 754 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 3: House doesn't have an answer for this in any way. 755 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting when we talked to Professor Dershowitz's last 756 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 2: hour about this, he seemed to he was suggesting that 757 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: if there's extortion here, that would be how it's a 758 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 2: possibly a criminal thing, as in, you better pay me 759 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 2: this money or my dad in this case, the former 760 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: recently departed Vice presidentident is going to use this political 761 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 2: connections to destroy your business. Some people may be able 762 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 2: to make a case for that as extortion. I think 763 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 2: that part of the issue here Clay for the White House, 764 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 2: for the Democrats in general, certainly for the Biden regime 765 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 2: and those around it, is they they don't want to 766 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 2: deploy the it's not criminal defense because the moment they 767 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 2: go there. It's essentially a public admission of the bidens. 768 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 2: We're selling influence and it's really gross. 769 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: Right. 770 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 2: But if they're not willing to do that, how are 771 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 2: they going to defend this? Because the facts are growing 772 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 2: and there's less and less room for them to maneuver 773 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 2: around this without having to address it, right, So I 774 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: feel like they're hoping they don't have to say, Look, 775 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 2: it's sleazy. But that's how the Biden's role Obviously, you 776 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 2: know it's not sending anyone to prison on Trump, But 777 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 2: I don't know how many other options they're going to 778 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 2: have left here if this continues to be something where 779 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 2: we push and get more answer, I. 780 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 3: Think, Buck, they're rapidly getting painted into the corner where 781 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 3: Joe Biden his defense here is going to be I 782 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,959 Speaker 3: didn't know that he sent that text message. My son 783 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 3: was a crack addict. I wasn't involved. He dropped my name, 784 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 3: he wasn't making rational choices, but I wasn't involved at all, 785 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: And that. 786 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: Becomes do you buy that? 787 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 3: Now? Listen, some of you probably still haven't heard this 788 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 3: text message. I want to make sure and I want 789 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 3: to give credit here, Buck, This is James Rosen. 790 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: He is the NEWSMAX. 791 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 3: I believe White House correspondent here is his full question 792 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 3: that sets the White House Press Corps into an uproar 793 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 3: when they can't respond. 794 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: Listen. 795 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 8: House Ways and Means Committee yesterday released documents their authenticity 796 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 8: nowhere challenged that included a July twenty seventeen WhatsApp message 797 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 8: sent by Hunter Biden to Henry Jao, a Chinese Communist 798 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 8: Party official, stated in its entirety and I quote, I 799 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 8: am sitting here with my father and we would like 800 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 8: to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. 801 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 8: Tell the director that I would like to read isolve 802 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 8: this now before it gets out of hand, and now 803 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 8: means tonight and Zie, if I get a call or 804 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 8: text from anyone involved in this other than you Xiang 805 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 8: or the chairman, I will make certain that between the 806 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 8: man sitting next to me and every person he knows, 807 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 8: and my ability to forever hold a grudge, that you 808 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 8: will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here 809 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 8: waiting for the call with my father unquote. So just 810 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 8: a couple of questions about this. First, does this not 811 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 8: undermine the President's claim during the twenty twenty campaign and 812 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 8: the reaffirmations of that claim by his two press secretary 813 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 8: since then that he never once discussed his son's overseas 814 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 8: business dealings with him. 815 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 5: No, and I'm not going to comment further on this. 816 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: We're going, okay, so we can read it up the 817 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 2: way we call it sing. I've never spoken in text 818 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: or in real life to anyone in my life the 819 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 2: way Hunter Biden speaks to foreign Chinese business associates. He's like, 820 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 2: even when the cable guy canceled on me for the 821 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 2: fifth time in a rogue, didn't feel like coming, I 822 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't text him that. I mean, think about this, The 823 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 2: leverage that he must think he has. He's he's shaking 824 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 2: people down for millions of dollars. Yes, right, I mean 825 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 2: so this just goes to show you why does he 826 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 2: think he has that leverage. They're not the ones who 827 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 2: are just sort of chasing him. He's telling them you 828 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 2: better or else. 829 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: What is the or else? Clay? 830 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 2: I mean he spells it out there, but the or 831 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 2: else only comes into play if Joe Biden is in 832 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 2: on it. And that's where your point here is critical. 833 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 2: Joe Biden knew man. He had to know, He had 834 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 2: to know. 835 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 3: Well and Buck, Let's be honest, what sort of evidence 836 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 3: might there be? We know the date, Can we not 837 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 3: go pull phone records and see whether or not there 838 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 3: were phone calls? He says he's sitting waiting for a 839 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 3: phone call. Can we not determine whether he received a 840 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 3: phone call from China right then and there like he 841 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 3: was threatening if he didn't, can we not check and 842 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 3: see when the dollars actually arrived? Again, I don't know 843 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 3: how you avoid covering that story, right, and this is 844 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 3: why the hearings need to be in prime time. 845 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: But I give credit to James Rosen. 846 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 3: That's exactly what the job is of a truly adversarial 847 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 3: press corps, right, If your job is to check people 848 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 3: in positions of power and not to be a propagandist 849 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 3: for people in positions of power, every White House Press 850 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 3: Corps member should be asking this question. Given the evidence 851 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 3: that Chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means 852 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 3: Jason Smith provided and Buck again, they're not even trying 853 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 3: to dispute the authenticity of this. That to me means 854 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 3: there must be strong evidence that it's real. And if 855 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 3: that is true, I don't see any way Joe Biden 856 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 3: avoids being impeached. Honestly, now, I'm not saying they will 857 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 3: remove him from office because I don't think there's hardly 858 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 3: anything short of committing triple murder that Joe Biden could 859 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 3: do that Democrats would be willing to remove him from office. 860 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 3: But I can't imagine there's a Republican who wouldn't vote 861 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 3: to impeach him on the evidence that. 862 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: Is out there right now. 863 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 2: Republicans will, but I think that they're gonna fall back 864 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 2: on this is all incomparable, it's non criminal, it's incomparable 865 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 2: to Trump is going to become where they I don't 866 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 2: see how else they can move forward with this, Like 867 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 2: what else is the response? They're just gonna have to say, Sorry, 868 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 2: we're busy throwing Donald Trump in prison. We don't have 869 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 2: time to address your slimy Biden dealings. 870 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 5: Right. 871 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 3: That's I think Biden ends up saying I'm not going 872 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 3: to run again because my health because. 873 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: So that launches a Democrat primary correct late in the game. 874 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 2: I just there's no way, there's no way I think 875 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 2: this unless. 876 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: I think this wounds him to such an extent. 877 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,720 Speaker 3: Buck, I think this is an ender to Joe Biden 878 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 3: as a viable camp I think, based on this evidence 879 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 3: that is coming out, I think this thing is a 880 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 3: mushroom cloud. 881 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: And I think. 882 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 3: Even MSNBC and the New York Times and the Washington 883 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 3: Post are going to have to start covering this now. 884 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: I really do see an end did it. 885 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,919 Speaker 2: They're ruthless, ruthless communist barbarians. They don't care, man, They're 886 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 2: just gonna keep going with it. They're just gonna ignore it. 887 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. 888 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we can't even. 889 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 3: Get Republicans to agree that this is that if you're 890 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 3: a Republican right now and you won't vote to impeach 891 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, you should not be re elected in twenty 892 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 3: twenty four. 893 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. We'll take some of your 894 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 2: calls and close us out here. 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