1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: about the choices we make for ourselves, and today I 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: am joined by someone who's made some pretty bold ones. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: Janine Turner went from starring in huge shows like Northern 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Exposure and Friday Night Lights to life on a Texas ranch. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: From Emmy nominated actress to podcast host and US Constitution advocate. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Our conversation covers career pivots, spiritual grounding, motherhood, and what 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: it means to choose yourself even when, especially when the 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: world is watching. What a pleasure it is to speak 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: with Janine Turner. Hi, thank you so much for being 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: on our podcast. 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: This is such a treat. Oh, it's a treat for me. 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: And you know I was doing my research. You and 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 3: I both moved. I guess you moved to Hollywood at seventeen, 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: and when Youth and Film Awards and that interesting. 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten about that. 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: Yeah look, yeah, it said you won this teen Award. 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I wanted Youth in Film Award. But 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: it's interesting that we both were sort of discovered. I 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: was in New York at fifteen. But did I read 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: it correctly that at seventeen you moved to Hollywood like 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: I did. 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: That's wild, with no experience, no idea what I was 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: getting into. Brave. You're a brave girl. 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 3: I look at everything that you have accomplished in your life, 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: and you're a mover and a shaker. 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: You know. I'm a lady. I gotta keep it moving, 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: gotta keep it fresha create create exactly. 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: We both had successful TV shows and now we're both 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: doing rewatch podcasts where all a Sudden podcast hosts, which 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: is so exciting. How's it going, how's the new podcast going? 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: I have many I have a Oh I thought you do? Yeah? 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: I do? I do well. 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: I started podcasting before podcasting was even podcasting. 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: It's funny because I think it. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: Was back in twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen around that I 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: had a radio show with actual call letters in Dallas 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: and Houston, two different places. And then during the weekdays 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: I would interview in this sort of like dark room 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: that I was renting for one hundred bucks one block 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: from my daughter's school, and I was interviewing these I 44 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: was doing these forty five minute interviews and putting them 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: up on whatever it was back then, and it was 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: sort of podcasting before podcasting. 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was fun. I always loved. 48 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: The format where you could interview somebody for forty minutes 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: forty five minutes, and traditional radio it was every five minutes, 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: every ten minutes. And I still love the format of 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: being able to really get into the psyche of a 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: person or down into some depth of soul. And anyway, 53 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: now I have Northern Disclosure because more of the exposure 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: is streaming on Amazon Prime, which I worked for three 55 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: years with Universal Studios to get them to do that. 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: I said, look, rising generations don't have DVD players, and 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: rob and are a Northern Disclosure and that's been a 58 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: lot of fun. And then I have a God on 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: the Go podcast as well. So I love podcasting. I'm 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: a curious person, obviously, I think you are too. I 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: member my father said I beg to go to college, 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: but I was working in New York at fifteen and 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: I was working in la at seventeen. 64 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: He goes, why would you go to college. You're already 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: making money. 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: But he goes, I'm not going to pay money for 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: you just to have an intellectual conversation with somebody. 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: But that's actually what I love to do. So here 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: we are. Yeah, you're a pro, you are seasoned at this. 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I love that. 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: I know with my rewatch podcast, it's really been eye 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: opening for me. You know, rewatching the show from beginning 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: to end, you know, every week like a fan would 74 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: have back in the day, has been in just so cool, 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Like I am now a super fan of my own show, 76 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: which I didn't think that would happen, but I'm really 77 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: into it. 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Is that are you feeling that way? 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: I think that the Northern exposure was such a special 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: time in all of our lives, and we lived in 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: Seattle together. We were sort of an acting troop removed 82 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: from Hollywood, and we bonded. And the show was so 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: intellectually stimulating, quirky, sexy in a way flashbacks. They quoted 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: Young and Freud and Walt Whitman, and the music was 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: opera whatever it may be, and the writing was incredibly 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: intriguing and challenging. And so we to be able to 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: revisit it thirty five thirty years later and to bring 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: on the cast, I echo what you're saying. It's a 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: real treasure. It's just a treasure and it's great that 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: we can sort of log this for posterity, for a legacy. 91 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: And of course I'm thinking, well, probably in about ten years, 92 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: this won't even be anything anybody does. 93 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't even know how to listen to a podcast. 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: I know it'll be on their wrist or in their chips. 95 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, chip in the head. Maybe we will. 96 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: Survive in the record up there in the heaven, so 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: let's hope. 98 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be so fun reconnecting with Rob and 99 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: getting to just sort of dive deep with the all 100 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: the co stars and crew members everything. 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: Is that what y'all are doing too? Are you having 102 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: crew members, producers, things of that nature? Guess yeah, we have. 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: For sure. 104 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: We go into the guest stars and we really want 105 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: to know what their experience was like on the show, 106 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: because it's usually so different than our experience, and also 107 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: just checking in with them and seeing like where they 108 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: are now and what their life has been like. You know, 109 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: it's fascinating. 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: It is so long, and you're not as quite as 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: judgmental of the show. Right during the day, it was like, 112 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: oh they cut out of that close up. Yeah, I 113 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: wish this I wish that, but now we're just ah, look, I. 114 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: Know, like I am usually not want to watch myself 115 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: watch my work. It gets I don't know, I just 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: don't enjoy it. But there's something about sitting down and 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: cozying up to an episode of the OG Show that 118 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: is just comforting. And I'm continually like, wow, look at her, 119 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Like I think that that was such an amazing time 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: in my life. And I was so busy working all 121 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: the time that it was really hard to like get it. 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: Then, m true because we were in the midst of it, 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: and now we can look. I always knew the show 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: was special, and I was very blessed because I had 125 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: eight dollars left before Northern Exposure, and I was holding 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: out for something besides a bikini roll. 127 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: Oh you know. 128 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so once it's a long, long story, I won't 129 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: go into it. But once I book Northern Exposure, it 130 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: was funny because I was willing at that point because 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: I had eight dollars left. I said, Okay, God, whatever 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: you want. I was trying to hold out for something 133 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: of integrity. But if that's not what you want, and 134 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: do I go back to college? Do I do go 135 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: back to a soap opera. I'd started in a soap 136 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: opera general Hospital in nineteen eighty one, What. 137 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Do I do? 138 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: And I kept and then I still didn't get a 139 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: couple of projects. But then I booked Northern and Exposure. 140 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: And God is good because it was everything for which 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: I had been waiting, and I never I mean, I 142 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: just couldn't see it. So it's really interesting to think 143 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: about that. We see the myopic sort of threads, but 144 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: God sees the whole tapestry. 145 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: Yes, it's so interesting that story because you just gave it. 146 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: Up well my will, you know, it's like letting go 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: of your will a little bit. I mean, it's that 148 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: fine line between I was thinking about your show, about 149 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: all the times of my life where I've stood up 150 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: for myself, whether it's in work or private life, or 151 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: with my daughter or whatever it might have been for 152 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: standing up for her as well, but then also in 153 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 3: the workplace standing up for myself, and then it all 154 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: I just got to the point where I thought I 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: was on the right track. 156 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: But then I had eight dollars left, so I wasn't 157 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: sure anymore. 158 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: But God proved to me I was on the right track, 159 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: and booking Northern exp But she was one of those 160 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: first characters that chopped her own wood, flew her own plane. 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: And oh my god, she was loving a heroine. 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 4: You. 163 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, your haircut alone in that show was inspiring. 164 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: My dad used to say to me, I know it short, 165 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: but does it have to be that short? 166 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh, Dad's They always liked the longer hair. They wanted 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: us to look like children forever. Yes, yes, yeah, what 168 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: an impact. 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: The show had. It was just such a huge hit. 170 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: But you decided, I'm just really curious, like, what was 171 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: your choice? What helped you make the choice to check 172 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: out of Hollywood and go to Texas and raise your 173 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: daughter on a farm. 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: Ah? 175 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: Well, I had checked out of Hollywood twice in my life. 176 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: The first time I had been engaged to Alec Bald 177 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: when I was twenty years old and I was watching 178 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 3: and we were just off our soap operas. 179 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: I forget he was on Young Doctor. 180 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: What was he on Doctor? I don't know what he 181 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: was on, but I was on General Hospital. And my 182 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: first big show though, was from Dallas. I got my 183 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: start on Dallas and the producer David Jacobs had a 184 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: thirteen episode series I look back now and I say 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: that was really pretty. 186 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: Cool, you know what I mean. 187 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: I got a job pretty quick out of the But 188 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: I the first time that I checked out of Hollywood 189 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: was when I was twenty three and I thought, I 190 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: can't do any more bikini roles. I'm watching Alec get 191 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: all these fabulous male roles and I'm just being sort 192 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: of objectified. So my agents fired me and said, if 193 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 3: you moved to Hollywood, we don't want to represent you know. 194 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: I said, well, okay, I got to follow my truth. 195 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: I found the method acting coach, cut my hair, cut 196 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: my you know, no fingernaut polish things that nature, and 197 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: really studied. So I checked out of Hollywood that at 198 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 3: that point and booked Northern Exposure out of New York. 199 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: And the second time was yes, I kind of walked 200 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: away from my daughter and I was offered you know, CBS. 201 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: They used to call me all the time, begged me 202 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: to do a series and to move back to Los Angeles. 203 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: But I'm like, well, I have my daughter now, and 204 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: I was a single mom because I'd sort of stood 205 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: up for myself in that and for her in that regard. 206 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: But then and then I was offered Chicago, you know, 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: on Broadway and well, I was to go meet Anne Riiking. 208 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: I passed the singing part, and I'm like, well, who's 209 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: going to take care of my daughter? 210 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: So I did. I made a lot of sacrifices for 211 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: my daughter. I didn't. That's so special, though. 212 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: Do you think that that big choice to move changed 213 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: your perspective on things? 214 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: It's interesting how at that point, I want, Well, when 215 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty episodes, which you 216 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: and I both know never happens, right, it's a big order, 217 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: this clock shifted in me, and all of a sudden, 218 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: these bells rang, and I never knew that I wanted 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: to go back to Texas. 220 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I was like, because I couldn't. I mean, in those days, 221 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: you couldn't. 222 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 3: Put yourself on tape, which I don't even like today, because. 223 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: But you had to be here. Yeah, yeah, you had 224 00:10:59,480 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: to be there. 225 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: And I still think it should be that way quite frankly, 226 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: but I mean you had to be in New York 227 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: or LA. But when Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty, 228 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I wanted to pick up truck, 229 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: a horse, a ranch, and I want to move back home. 230 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: And I never knew that that was even lurking within me. 231 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: But once I had sort of hit that pinnacle, it 232 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: was what I wanted. And so I'm thrilled I raise 233 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: my daughter here in Texas. And it's just interesting though, 234 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: now that I'm sixty two and my daughter's off living 235 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: her own life. It's funny how life gives us a 236 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 3: kind of checkpoints of to reevaluate our lives and to think, 237 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: what would I have done a little bit differently? 238 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: Would you have made a different choice? Maybe? 239 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if people ask that, like what would 240 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: you do differently? And I when my daughter was born, 241 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: I said, well nothing because everything led to her, right, 242 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: you know, Now that she's grown and sort of things 243 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: are challenging, I look back. 244 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: On hmm, you know, hmm. 245 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: Maybe I should have in Chicago. Maybe I should have 246 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: stayed in La a little bit, and things that nature. 247 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: So it is. 248 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: It is interesting, especially. 249 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: As a mother and you have three children, and I 250 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: didn't have a Her father wasn't there. 251 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: He just walked, and so it was. 252 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: It became sort of an all encompassing aspect for me. 253 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: It was really all about her. And look, she's a 254 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: wonderful young woman. She has a not that I cared 255 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: what she did. But she's graduate from law school, she's independent, 256 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: she's doing her things. She's married to a wonderful man. 257 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: So you know, but you sit back now, it's kind 258 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: of twiddling your thumbs saying. 259 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: Did I sacrifice too much? Maybe? 260 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: I know it's hard because our instinct is to sacrifice 261 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: everything like you did. I did the same thing. I 262 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 2: moved out of LA for a couple of years. I 263 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: think it was at the end of a you know, 264 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: my relationship with their dad, and I just kind of 265 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: needed to check out and get away and I kind 266 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: of retired. I told my manager, hey, I'm retiring, and 267 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: I just focused on them for solid two years. And 268 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: at that point I was, you know, I needed to 269 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: go back to work for all kinds of reasons, but 270 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: that two years was heaven for me, just being able 271 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: to focus on my daughters and their well being and them, 272 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: you know, especially at a very transitional time in all 273 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: their lives. I think it was the best thing I 274 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: could have done. And you know, you moving to Texas 275 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: and having a horse trailer dreams for me, that's where 276 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: I come from. So I feel like I'm going to 277 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: go back to that too, and I can't. 278 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Wait I've got horses and longhorn cattle out there. You know. 279 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: I will echo what you're saying though, in that when 280 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: my daughter was a baby, she was the most important 281 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: thing in the world to me, and I believe in 282 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: those first three to five years and how important it is. 283 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: And I still did you know doctor t and the women. 284 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: I did the serious strong medicine, But I left Strong 285 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: Medicine after a couple of years because I could see 286 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: that I wanted to say those precious times with my 287 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 3: daughter and I didn't want her to be raised even 288 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: though she was on set with me. You know, I 289 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: was running around six am to six pm, and it's 290 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: distract or distracted. Yeah, And I thought, I'll never get 291 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: these years back. And I think those begin those formative 292 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: years of a child are so incredibly important. And she 293 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: was my joy and my gift and so I lovered 294 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: more than anything in the world. So I wouldn't I 295 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to change especially those formative years at all. 296 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 297 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 5: Right, do you love sex in the city? Now you 298 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 5: can relive the magic from the very beginning, every date, 299 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: every heartbreak, every Cosmopolitan with me. Kristin Davis aka Charlotte 300 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 5: Yorick on my podcast Are You a Charlotte? I'm rediscovering 301 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 5: the show that we all love so much, episode by episode. 302 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 5: Open your free iHeartRadio app search are You a Charlotte 303 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: and listen. 304 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Now our methods are a little bit different, but we 305 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: have a shared spirituality. You and I. I love to 306 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: meditate and garden, and you've talked about doing yoga and 307 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: journaling and following twelve steps. How do you think those 308 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: rituals that you've put in place in your life have 309 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: kept you grounded over the years. 310 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I've thought about that as well as 311 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: you know. I choose me as the topic, and I 312 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: couldn't do it without my faith. I mean everyone, we're 313 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: a nation of freedom of religion, so everybody has their 314 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: own religion. And I'm completely you know if I'm not 315 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: trying to convert anybody, but I've always been a Christian 316 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: and my faith, especially as a single mom, and I 317 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: found that I was going to be a single mom, 318 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: it became pivotal in me because just the strength that 319 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: I could garner, the higher realm, the higher sense of consciousness, 320 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: the higher purpose. And I taught my daughter that and 321 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: I think I think we're missing it in our society today. 322 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I think we're with. 323 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: Social media and culture, you know, the cultural impact and 324 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: the news and all these things, and it's not hip 325 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: to love God. It's it's not cool to have faith. 326 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: It's sort of especially in our business right. I mean, 327 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: we may hear people in the Christian the the the 328 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: music business, thank God, but it's sort of anti cool 329 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: to have faith. 330 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: And that's unfortunate because. 331 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're all going to find out 332 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: one day, you know what I mean, that there's a 333 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: higher power. And I love metaphysics, I love science. I 334 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: love the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel 335 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: about this potential you know, bubble that they have found 336 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: that no one can penetrate and it's invisible to us. 337 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: I believe in the other dimension. 338 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: So I'm not limited in my thinking, but I don't 339 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: I don't think that I think without my faith. I've 340 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: really chosen myself. And if it wasn't hip, the cool, 341 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 3: if if people didn't like it, and it's interesting. I 342 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: I had my gott on the Go podcast and I 343 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 3: just did an interview and I posted it and I thought, well, 344 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: let's see how many viewers I lose, you know. 345 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 6: What I mean? 346 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: It's like, how many viewers am I going to offend here? 347 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: And I thought, well, okay, I just have to be 348 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: true to who I am, and if they want to 349 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: walk away, they can, but most don't. But because my 350 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: message is really just finding a way to survive the 351 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 3: day and dealing with our own sense of humanity. And 352 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't do without my faith without saying God helped 353 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: me through this, God get me through the day, God 354 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 3: give me a higher purpose, things of that nature. 355 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I lived most of my life without 356 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: a faith. I was raised Christian and not super We 357 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: didn't go to church regularly, just occasionally. But I loved 358 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: like going to Bible study on my own, and I 359 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: love being a part of the little community of our 360 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: town's church. And then I grew up and life happened, 361 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: and the world got so big and busy that I 362 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: kind of love touch with any religion, any faith. And 363 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't until like later in my life, I mean 364 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: in my forties that I was really struggling and I 365 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: just knew that I had to have I had to 366 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: find faith somewhere to support me and doing that and 367 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, my faith may be different than your faith 368 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: or and the other person's faith, but just faith in general, 369 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: in something higher power or guardian. 370 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: Angels or whatever it is. 371 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: It's comforting and it's reassuring, and it makes you feel 372 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: like you're not alone. 373 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and I have felt alone many times in my life, 374 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 3: like devastatingly alone, whether it's circumstantial or literal, you know, 375 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: But to gosh, I. 376 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: Just I wish more of our rising youth had that thought. 377 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: It's one thing. 378 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: I know we kind of have to take it out 379 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: of our schools because you can't force a faith on anybody, 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't want that. But I think I've had 381 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 3: this sort of idea that kids take fifteen twenty minutes 382 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 3: to go to sort of the room of their choice. 383 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: I mean, like I don't want to go to any god, 384 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: or I want to go play in the playground, or 385 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: I want to go this. 386 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to go there, I want to go 387 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: to this. 388 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 3: It's just because so that students could be in school 389 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: ingrained with the thought that there's a higher purpose, because 390 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: I think when we're so involved in ourselves, it never 391 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: ends up well, at least in my book. I've got 392 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: to think, Okay, I'm here for a reason. What's my 393 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: purpose and guide me to try to do it to 394 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: a higher level. 395 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: And I fail at that all the time too. 396 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: I have a prayer group and it's so sweet, and 397 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 3: then thirty minutes later I'm having a meltdown. Oh my god, 398 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: everything in the world back into my own hands, and 399 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: I am such I fail at it all the time, 400 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: But you can only come back. 401 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: To it, which isn't the best part. Like, we make mistakes, 402 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: we go off our paths, but there's some basis there 403 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: to always come back to return to. 404 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness, I have a forgiving god, you know. Yeah, 405 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: that humanity. Yeah. 406 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: So what are some of your favorite ways to stay grounded? 407 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's nature. 408 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think we've talked about my faith, 409 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: So that's first and foremost nature. 410 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: I love nature. A bird to bird fanatic. Wait wait, wait, 411 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: were you always. 412 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: A bird person or did this happen at a certain age, 413 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: because all of a sudden, I'm a bird person? 414 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 5: No, are you really? 415 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 416 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: Like deep, there's an app. I have an app that 417 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: tells me who's talking to me when. 418 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I need to get that app. It's it's 419 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: called Merlin or something. 420 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I just heard about it, and I haven't 421 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: had time to download it. 422 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: No, it's so fun. 423 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: You just like record wherever you are and it tells 424 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: you what birds are around you. 425 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: Because this morning I heard a little bird outside my window, 426 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I want to know what kind 427 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 3: of bird that is. 428 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: But I my mother's living with me now. 429 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: I've taken and my eighty eight year old mom and 430 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: I live in a little cottage. I live in sort 431 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: of what was always supposed to be the guest house, 432 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 3: but I've never gotten around a big to building, the 433 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: bigger house, you know. And so my mom's right downstairs 434 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: and she gets to see the squirrels and the birds 435 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: and flying around in nature. And I have morning glories 436 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: and this wild sort of indigenous garden and I have 437 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: to get out there and mow at myself and weed 438 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: eat it myself. 439 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm in love with you right now. 440 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 441 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: It's just like it's so much work. But I have 442 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: horses and cattle and birds and nature. So I think 443 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 3: I think it's it's God and then it's nature. Are 444 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 3: the are the two things that really center me? And 445 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 3: and reading? I think that when I turn on the 446 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 3: TV I'm curious and there are all these cool shows 447 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: I want to read and podcasts, but reading really sort 448 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: of anything that's whether it's writing, reading, coloring. My mom said, 449 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: don't tell anybody you call her. 450 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: Like mom, it's hip now. 451 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: They sell and barn Barnes and Noble, but just anything 452 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: that's sort of monassory, you know, Montessori school, you put 453 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: your finger in the sand, an. 454 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: Those type of things. It was hilarious. 455 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: I was in an apple store recently and I said, 456 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 3: does anybody have a pen? And they were all like, ah, 457 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: what's a pin? No, I had one, But it's like, 458 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: I still think your kids should learn cursive. And there's 459 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: something organically about just tactile sort of organic things. So 460 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: anything like that brings me back to some sort of peace. 461 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: And you know, we just spend our lives rushing and 462 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: doing so much that we forget about. You don't notice 463 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: the birds. And it's not until you sit and get 464 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: quiet and are comfortable sitting with yourself out in nature 465 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: that you're like, Wow, there's a whole world happening right 466 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: here in my backyard, and it's like you can watch 467 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: it forever. 468 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the stars and I look at birds and 469 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: like a painted bunting. I have painted bendings, and I think, 470 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: of God, I'm like, who they're painting all these birds created, 471 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: all these little birds and all their little colors. 472 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: But I just think the stars nature. 473 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: That's another thing I'm really worried about Texas quite frankly, 474 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: because it's just become overrun with warehouses and people moving 475 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: here and the land is not being preserved. So I'm 476 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: going to dedicate my land to being a nature preserve. 477 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. You know. Wait, painted butting. Oh wait, 478 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: you see I'm a bird person, and you said, okay, 479 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: painted bun It's a little bitty bird. 480 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: It's not really big, and it has sort of red 481 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: or green and yellow and red. 482 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: It's an indigo bunting. 483 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 3: There's an indigo bunting and a painted bunting, and they 484 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: they're just sort of they're just colored everywhere. They have 485 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: like a splotch of color on their back, and they're beautiful. 486 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of sound they make, but 487 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: I'll walk out in the morning and there'll be this 488 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: bird that's sort of been like like do you remember 489 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: the Call and Dances with Wolves? At the very end, 490 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: he was on the cliff and he was making this call, 491 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, the Native American was, and it's like every 492 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: I go out there and there's this call, this bird 493 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: that calls to me in the morning, and oh, they're 494 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: just beautiful. 495 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: I love it. I just noticed a butterfly. 496 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 2: A monarch, a beautiful monarch that is always in my backyard. 497 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: I kind of rearranged my furniture on my back porch 498 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: so that I was looking out instead of looking at 499 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: the other people. And so now I'm just sit there 500 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 2: and I work from my I call it my new office. 501 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: I work from that couch and I just see nature 502 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: all day, and it's so distracting. I hardly get any 503 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: work done. 504 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 3: Sometimes well, the cows come up, and oh my god, 505 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: I know cows. 506 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: Angus cattle. 507 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: I think I have Guinness Book of World Records Angus cattle. 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 3: There's big as elephants. I have four because I bought 509 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 3: one when my father died, because I thought in honor 510 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: of him. And then I have long horns with the big, 511 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: huge long horns, and they and I remember when I 512 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: was shopping for property, there was this little house and 513 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: the cows were roaming all around the house. 514 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: And I love that that's what I want. That's what 515 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: I want. So my cows just roam right around the house. 516 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: You look out the window, there's this ginormous cow and they, 517 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, I feed them and fill up their water. 518 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: Trouss And I don't look anything like this. I'm just saying, yeah, 519 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: now you're like, you're like bear faced. I got a visual. 520 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: I love the faces up frizzy night count. My mom's like, 521 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: I can't believe you're wearing your nightgown to the to 522 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: take out the trash at the you know this, I'm like, 523 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: why not a nightgown? 524 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: It looks like a dress. And I'm comfortable. So there 525 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: and I. 526 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: Come back in a full sweat, just like a full sweat. 527 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: But it's it's fun to be out there. 528 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: I love that so much. 529 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 7: Almost thirty years together, four kids, and some of reality 530 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 7: TV's most unforgettable moments, we know a thing or two 531 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 7: about living life out loud. We're taking you behind the 532 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 7: scenes in our new podcast between Us with Me Heather 533 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 7: to Brow and. 534 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 4: Me Terry Debro. 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Moments? 548 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 7: Listen to between us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts 549 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 7: or wherever you get your podcasts. 550 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: I'm curious though, but the horns on the longhorns, what 551 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: happens do they like? 552 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: Uh? 553 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Ever? 554 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: Is it? 555 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Are you scared of those horns or did they poke 556 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: things well in the house? 557 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: Well, pophorns keep their horns forever, and like dear, I think, 558 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: dear shit their horns. But longhorns, they grow and they 559 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 3: grow and they grow and they just keep growing. And 560 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: I find that the longhorn breed is incredibly gentle, just 561 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 3: incredibly gentle. They'll walk up to the barn, and they 562 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: know not to cross the threshold. 563 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: Most of the time, they're well mannered. The angles will 564 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: go in there and knock everything down. Yeah, but they're 565 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: very sweet the angus. 566 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: But and I don't eat my own beef, and I 567 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: don't sell them for beef, you know, I can't possibly. 568 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: I watched, sort of like gorillas in the mist, the 569 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: different generations of my longhorns. About four generations down. There 570 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 3: was this baby that another cow a longhorn, was trying 571 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: to capture, like I'm gonna take you from mine, And 572 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 3: out of the woods came the great great grandmother like 573 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: and she came running and she got that baby back 574 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: to her daughter. And it's been fascinating to watch the 575 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: generations and how they hang together. The daughters will stay 576 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: with the mothers and things of that nature. So it's 577 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: and then you can I mean, I sell them for ornaments, 578 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 3: you know, for people who just want to have them 579 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 3: in their backyard. 580 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: That's good. 581 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: That would be my favorite thing to do. Just pet 582 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: them and look at them and talk to them. 583 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: And tiger Bud's my favorite. 584 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: And I literally go talk to him and feed him, 585 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 3: and I can hand feed him and touch his horns 586 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: and all that not. Some of them a little more skittish. 587 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a full time job. 588 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but gosh, sounds great. 589 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: It's a good escape because every day I have to 590 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: go deal with him. So if I'm sitting inside and 591 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: I'm working from my computer, you know, and you don't 592 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: want to get it. You can do everything inside your house, 593 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: you don't have it forces me. I have to take 594 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: that walk, I have to go down to the barn. 595 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: I have to take care of a body. And it's 596 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: a good thing. Yeah, I want to ride more. I 597 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: have horses that I can't really ride there. One's thirty 598 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: and the other one's too wild. So wouldn't it be 599 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 3: nice to have a horse? You know, when I used 600 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: to have horses that I rode, But then when Juliette 601 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: was born, I was a single mother. I was too 602 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: afraid of something happening to me on a horse. And 603 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 3: now that I'm sixty two, she's on her own, her 604 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: own thing, and I'm sort of non existent. I'm like, well, hey, 605 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: I want to get a horse, but they're so expensive. 606 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: To get a horse that you can actually ride. 607 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's a trained horse, forget it. Yeah, just 608 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: get one and train it yourself. What a bond you 609 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: would have with that hours would be amazing. 610 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: Get a baby. I love this farm life. You started 611 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: on a farm, you raised on a farm where Yeah, yeah, yeah, 612 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: I am. 613 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: I have a place up in Santynez. I had to 614 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: sell it, but I have my horses boarded somewhere else. 615 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: And my beautiful Blondie, my best friend that I basically birthed, 616 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: like with I was in the folding stall with her. 617 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: Oh when she came out and she just passed away, 618 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: And gosh, is that hard? 619 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: It's like, who like your best friend? Same with my dog. 620 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: Though I'm I connect with animals deeply, and then when 621 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: they die, it's just rips your heart out. 622 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 623 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: I have four pets up here in the bedroom with 624 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: me because my mother's allergic. So I have three dogs 625 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: and a kitty cat that I rescued one of the 626 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: movies that I did. So my animals are everything to me. 627 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: And then when you have them, as you know, we're 628 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: older now, right, So I've had a lot of pets 629 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: that have lived in fourteen fifteen years of age and 630 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: to watch them go is And when my horse passed, 631 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: my horse that I rode all through northern exposure. When 632 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: I went to buy her, her name was Maggie, like oh, and. 633 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: She put her note. 634 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: We were so bonded. And when she passed, I was 635 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: filming Friday Night Lights and Julie. It was about eight 636 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: or nine or ten, I guess, and I was crying 637 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: on the way down to go film. 638 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: No one really relates when you say my horse side, 639 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: you know. But I've had her for about eighteen years. 640 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: But I believe she's still with me in spirit. I 641 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: really do. I choose to believe that too, about anyone 642 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: who's passed. 643 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, true, especially family, but our pets too, for sure, 644 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: our pets. 645 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 646 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: I had a good cry yesterday about my Pearl, my 647 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: beautiful dog that passed away this year. And I have 648 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: this little like a little statue of a dog that 649 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: looks like her. It's not really her, but I have 650 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: it from my mirror in the car. And I never 651 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: go anywhere. I never drive. So I happened to be 652 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: driving yesterday and there she was, and she was just 653 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: like twirling around in the sun on that little dangly thing, 654 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: and I just burst into tears. 655 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: And I was kind of dog. She was a big 656 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: golden doodle, black golden doodle, old doodle. 657 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a labrador right here and she's shedding 658 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: all over. 659 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh I can't handle that, but they're you know, I 660 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: love that. 661 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: I love the doodles look fantastic because I've had I 662 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: was raised with poodles and German shepherds and now labadors. 663 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, she's she's so smart and so sweet. 664 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: And my mother's living with me now, and she will 665 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: go over to my mother, lean into her and put 666 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: her paw on her knee, you know, like as an 667 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: emotion port, and she'll look at me like, see what 668 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm like, that's a good. 669 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 670 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: Animals are so I know. 671 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: I want to circle back on the on the dating 672 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: and rewind back to when you were dating famous men. 673 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: You know, you were with Alec Baldwin, like you said, 674 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: Sylvester Stallone and I know what a whirlwind and that 675 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: is it just in general, but talk about doing it 676 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: in Hollywood on top of that, and these are very 677 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: famous men. So what was that like for you? Let's 678 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: you know, like, what did you learn about relationships from that? 679 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: Now that we're older. 680 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: And we have this hindsight. 681 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think I learned how to take care of myself, 682 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 3: you know, because I Alec and I met at an 683 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 3: audition for Cutter to Houston, and he looked at me 684 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: across the crowded room, and I looked at him, and 685 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: then we walked into her room and I didn't get 686 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 3: the job. And later my age was like, why didn't 687 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: you get the job? And they said, because Alec was 688 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: so flustered, you know what I mean around you that 689 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: and Alec tracked me down somehow, and then you didn't 690 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: show up for three dates. 691 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: He stood me up for three days. I know, I know. 692 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: And my mother was again living with me because she 693 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 3: was going through a divorce and my mother married and divorced. 694 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 3: My mother and my father were married three times. 695 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 1: Wow to each other. 696 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: That's interesting, and in between they married somebody else. So 697 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? 698 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: You know? 699 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: The way we were kind of explains my childhood. But 700 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: so Alec and I fell in love and then we 701 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: were engaged and to be married, and I have I 702 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: found it and I'm thinking about posting on social media, 703 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: but I don't know, it might be too weird. 704 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: But I found the invitation to our wed deep. 705 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: You had invitations made up, We had invitations, the dress, 706 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: the dresses, everything was planned, and it was about three 707 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: weeks to a month out. And you know, I was 708 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: raised by beloved, beautiful, deep, rich, good, loving parents, but 709 00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 3: it was very volatile and traumatic. And when I saw 710 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: that Alec and I were repeating those patterns and I 711 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: was only twenty one, but talking about choosing yourself, I 712 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 3: remember we were walking along the street in Westwoods I 713 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 3: lived in Westwick, California, and I looked at him and 714 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 3: we were hugging on the sidewalk. 715 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 1: I said, we can't. I can't do it. We can't 716 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: do it, we just can't. 717 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 3: I knew I was repeating cycles if I did that, 718 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: And he said, well, what will people think? 719 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: And I said, it really doesn't matter. 720 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: And I was twenty one, right, I was twenty one, 721 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 3: so to be able to make that kind of decision, 722 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 3: to say no, this isn't going to work. And you know, 723 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: we sort of continue to see each other like you do, 724 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: for two or three years afterwards, and we're still we're 725 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: still close, you know, every now and then he'll well, 726 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: we'll send a text or chat or something. And I 727 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: loved Alek. He was my first love. I was a Baptist, 728 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You had to get married, 729 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: you know. But it's like, I still love Alec, but 730 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 3: it was it was a choice I made that it 731 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: didn't seem like it was going to be healthy for 732 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 3: either of us. Really, we both had a lot of 733 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: things we both needed to learn. So that was the 734 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: first Sylvester was was really more of an acquaintance, you know. 735 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 3: People like to say that, but Sylvester and I had 736 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 3: a few dates, but he was much more Hollywood than 737 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: I was. 738 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 739 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: And once again I was like, I'm not going to 740 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: get that plastic surgery and I'm not going to work 741 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: out the way you know, I'm going to be me. 742 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 3: And but but we filmed The Cliffhanger together and it 743 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. 744 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: But I'd watch him. 745 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 3: Get off the you know, the the helicopter with two women, 746 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: you know, one on each arm, and oh my god, 747 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: I just like, well. 748 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, you know. But I 749 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: still love Sylvester. 750 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 3: I think Sylvester is a brilliant man, a good person. 751 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: Cared for him deeply, and when we were filming a 752 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 3: Cliffhanger together. It was a lot of fun. 753 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, if people ask why 754 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: did you date? 755 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: In a weird sort of way, they were the ones 756 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 3: that asked, you know, it was kind of like I 757 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: was in their circle. I remember when s Vester I 758 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: was at this restaurant called Columbus's, which is also where 759 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: I met Mikel Berrishakov. 760 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: It was it was the place do you remember it 761 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: in New York? Were you over there? 762 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 3: No, it was on the Columbus in New York in 763 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: seventy second and you would walk in there and it 764 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 3: was the hangout. And I lived at sixty sixth and Columbus. 765 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: It was very close. You'd see anybody there any night. 766 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 3: And that's where I met Mikel Bershakov and Warren Beatty 767 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: at the same table. 768 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 769 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 3: And those were the days, right, those were the days 770 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 3: where they were like icons. I remember reading in the 771 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: paper about Michail Berishakov, you know, escaping Communism in the 772 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: newspaper when I was fifteen, sixteen years of age, and 773 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 3: I was a ballerina, so it was all it was 774 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 3: very all inspiring for me. But that place was something else, 775 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 3: you know, and I met Sylvester there and he walked, 776 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: he got up and he walked over to my table, 777 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 3: and the whole restaurant went silent. 778 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh restaurant. My friends said, do you 779 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: hear how silent? 780 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 3: This restaurant is like yeah, He's like, ht hi, he goes, 781 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: wh did to come see my painting sometime? And I'm like, oh, 782 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: oh nice, what a line? 783 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: I know whatever, It's so good. 784 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: But in each one of those relationships, I really learned 785 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 3: how to choose myself, you know. 786 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: I mean that's great, and you ultimately do from relationships 787 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: good or bad. I think that's the ultimate takeaway. 788 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: I'd like to have one where I can actually get married. 789 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, dear God, am sixty. You want to get married? 790 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 6: You know? 791 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 3: I think about that. I'm like, what would marriage look like? 792 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: You know, I'm so used to my labbador shedding all 793 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 3: over my bed? Right? 794 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: Your life is that? 795 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 3: Like you have a life? Like how do I bring 796 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 3: a man into this? But it would be nice. I 797 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: think my daughter's grown now and my mother's eighty eight. 798 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm taking care of her. I think it would be nice. 799 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 3: And I think that's one of those things you can't 800 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 3: quite picture until it happens, and so I'm going to 801 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: put that in God's hands. But I would love you know, 802 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 3: and at my wedding, if I ever get married again, 803 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna have this song at Last by Edie 804 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: j Son. 805 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: You got that song out last? 806 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 8: Yes? 807 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: Perfect? Oh my gosh. I'm I'm gonna put it out 808 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 2: there for you too. I want you to have a wedding. 809 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: Okay, well you come, you'll have to come. Oh come, 810 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: I'll be right there crying. I'll get my own wedding finally. 811 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: So great. 812 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm so inspired by Janni Turner. I just know she'll 813 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 2: have the wedding of her dreams and anything. 814 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: She puts her mind to. There's so much more to 815 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: our conversation, so please subscribe now so you never miss 816 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: a single. I choose me moment. 817 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 8: Hello, it's Danielle Fischel right or Strong and Wilfredell from 818 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 8: Podmeats World and we're bringing you Viva Last content. 819 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 7: That's right, we are back in Las Vegas, the city 820 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 7: of Sin, and giving the people what they want, a 821 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 7: full week of y two k content. 822 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: Wait, we're back in Vegas. Tell me why? 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