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Speaker 1: is of things synthy don't know the answer too. Hey everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the podcast Thinking Sideways. The podcast

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Speaker 1: as always, joined by my co host Joe and Devin.

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Speaker 1: So this week we're going to talk about a story

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people probably know, but they may

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Speaker 1: not realize how much debate there is around it. And

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Speaker 1: it's it's a story that is who are the first

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Speaker 1: people to settle the new world and to colonize it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hot off the heels of our October sleigh fast, just

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Speaker 1: my next episode is going to be a little weird,

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Speaker 1: too different, not full of stabbing, And there is very

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Speaker 1: Uh So why don't we just go ahead and hop

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Speaker 1: right into it? So as everybody knows Columbus sale the

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Speaker 1: ocean blue. Actually that's not where we're going. We're going

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Speaker 1: much farther back in time. We're gonna travel at least

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Speaker 1: eleven to twenty some odd thousand years before today, somewhere

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Speaker 1: in that rage and uh, and of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna get in all of this, but who

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Speaker 1: story all theories. So this is entirely the theory section.

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Speaker 1: And be prepared for a lot of science, you guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or minus on it? You know, do they is there

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00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: a sizeable overlap? There? Is It a little shocking to

429
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: think that like people could have you know, settled that

430
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: much area in that amount of time. Sure, but like

431
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: they were prolific, like our ancestors were prolific, and they

432
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: would have been mobile, they would have been having there

433
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff, right, I mean, like there

434
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff for them to eat. That

435
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of new stuff for them to hunt

436
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: and explore, and a lot of game that wasn't used

437
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: to human beings and that they could kill quite easily.

438
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: They had an area out they'd move on and so

439
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe they arrived twenty thousand years ago

440
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: and they had another five thousand, a whole five thousand

441
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: years to migrate all the way to the southern theory.

442
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: But I just want to like mention as a reminder

443
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: this whole like radiocarbon dating thing is like we rely

444
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: on it a lot with stories like this, but it's

445
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: not necessary. It's not the end all be all. And

446
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: here's here's another another wrench to throw in the works

447
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to using radiocarbon dating. Is there is

448
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: there's a place that's called the Topper. It's an archaeological

449
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: site that's uh, it's on the Savannah River near Allendale,

450
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina and there's an archaeologist. His archaeologist his name

451
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: is Dr Albert Goodyear. I don't believe he's related to

452
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: the tire company. But he found charcoal material that is

453
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: supposedly in relation to human artifacts, and that charcoal material

454
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: was dated at fifty thousand years before the president. I

455
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: just like that's something is like rocks, right, Charcoal is

456
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: like you know, it's created by burning woods. So I

457
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: knows it could have maybe people burn the campfire there

458
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: or maybe that was just a forest fire. Sorry, And

459
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people say. And that's why

460
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: this guy's his claim isn't really really considered valid. He

461
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: does live in South Carolina. No offense to all of

462
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: our South Carolina. Well, let's let's bring it back to

463
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit in our area.

464
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: This was two thousand two and two thousand three human

465
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: copper lights I believe I'm saying that correct, which is

466
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: fossilized feces. Uh. It was foul along with hunting tools.

467
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: It was found in Paisley Caves, which is in southern

468
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: central Oregon, which is kind of a desert region. Found

469
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: in those caves and it was dated to be as

470
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: much as twelve d years before the clothes should have

471
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: even been in or on this continent. So again, problems,

472
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: there's problems with this which and I bring the clothes

473
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: first because they followed directly in line with the land bridge. There,

474
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: go ahead. Now, let's just go ahead and go through

475
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: other stuff talking about the fast migration now, aren't we. Well,

476
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about other migrations. Uh, here's our next one,

477
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: which is uh it's called Pacific coastal models. Okay, let

478
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: me So there's a lot of words on this page,

479
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: but let me just go ahead and see if I

480
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: can sum this up in simple language, because this is

481
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of science talk. Basically, what this theory says

482
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: is that during the recession of the glaciers, people actually

483
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: knew how to make boats of some kind, and they

484
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: use those boats to travel down the coastlines of the continent.

485
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: So they didn't go necessarily across the land bridge, but

486
00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: maybe they skirted it in boats hunting and getting any um,

487
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: any vegetation that they could eat, and then they would

488
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: be able to make their way down. That would make

489
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: it much faster because you're always heading south. Yeah, And

490
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: the thing about it is is that it gets you

491
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: around obstructions and things like that. It's not all solid,

492
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: but you don't have to climb a mountain. Yeah, you

493
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: can just float around it. You're you've got access to

494
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, let's say sea turtles, and then there sweeds

495
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: on the on the banks and then you hunt a

496
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: couple of deer or masked dawn or whatever there tigers

497
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: to take you out in the process exactly. Yeah, you're

498
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: floating on the water and everybody saber tooth, tighter boat

499
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: boat boat, but of course, and they could have had dugouts,

500
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: they could have had like skin both made out of

501
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: skins or whatever. Um. And then nice thing about skirting

502
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: the coast is it's it's like nice and directed and

503
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: the heavy weather sets in, you can just high tail

504
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: out to the shore or pull your boats up exactly so.

505
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: And that explains this whole thing, helps explain how these

506
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: people could have made it so far south so fast,

507
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: which is really kind of one of the issues with

508
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: the Clovis theory. And again they're they're able to use

509
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: the ecosystems that are both marine and land based. And

510
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: it also you know, explains how they got so far

511
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: south from the burying straight to what would be places

512
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: like I talked. We talked about a little bit which

513
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: is Monteverde, which is in southern Chile. And there's another

514
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: location which is in western Venezuela, which I believe is

515
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: tim A Timer. I might be incorrectly pronouncing that, but

516
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: both of those places have stuff that's there that's been dated,

517
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: as we said before, at about fourteen thousand years before

518
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: the present there. And this is stuff that's like the

519
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: remains of seaweed that was collected from out in the water,

520
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: and then there's human habitation remains. There's evidently another layer

521
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: there that has been dated at thirty three thousand years ago.

522
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Now that thirty three thousand years bit that hasn't been

523
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: widely accepted, but somebody has put that out again. I

524
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: got to bring it up because it it makes you

525
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: wonder if they could have come earlier, because said it's

526
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: getting the glaciers didn't just expand and sit. They expanded

527
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: and they contracted back and forth, so it could have

528
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: been exposing bits of land to let people get down

529
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: and make their landings upon. Uh. And and there's there's

530
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: a guy he's from is it the University of Oregon

531
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: or Oregon State. Right. Well, you know the problem is,

532
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember which one. His name is

533
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: John Arenson, Thank you, Joe, and he described it as

534
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: the Kelp highway hypothesis. And the short version of that

535
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: is that there's kelp on the coast and then as

536
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the bearing straight becomes available, kelp is able to grow there.

537
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: And these people are using kelp because that's a habitat

538
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: that if you look at kelp today, fish, things like

539
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: otters and seals live in it. So we've got the

540
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: prehistory version of those in them this game. Yeah, So

541
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: there's all this food material for people to get through,

542
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: and once they had made it into the I believe

543
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: the phrases degalaciated areas of British Columbia and the America's,

544
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: they could then just high tail itself. And he actually

545
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: says that that may have happened somewhere around sixteen thousand

546
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: years ago. Now, there's some stuff about why people don't

547
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: like this theory, and this actually falls into a couple

548
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: of other theories that we're going to go into, but

549
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I just want to briefly touch on it. People don't

550
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: buy into these theories because what is the one thing

551
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: that we have not found boats. We haven't found a

552
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: single boat. Okay, well, there's there's two reasons for that.

553
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: In my mind. Is either one their boats that are

554
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: made out of hide the long sense to cecate, they

555
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: have long since disintegrated, or if they are wooden boats

556
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: and they fell apart after use at sea or on

557
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: the banks. We need to remember that when the ice receded,

558
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: the sea levels rose a couple of hundred meters, anywhere

559
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: from one to two. So now we're looking at sites

560
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: that were coastal sites that are several hundred feet underwater.

561
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: And it would be so cool. I think it's actually

562
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: map the sea bottom. You could actually probably trace, you know,

563
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: roughly where the coastline was way back then. Yeah, and

564
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I just send down powerful machinery to just rip everything

565
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: out of the seafloor and see what you get anything.

566
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. Yeah. Actually, but actually we'll talk

567
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: about this later. Of course, there is there is one

568
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: powerful machine that's just that, and it brought up some

569
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: archaeological evidence. We're talking that you are nothing but a tease.

570
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: This episode, I've noticed he just keeps dropping things like that.

571
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: I well, I was gonna just say that. Like, you know,

572
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: if you as a culture, you've been a boat culture

573
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: for a while, right, and you like make land and

574
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, we're moving inland. This looks like

575
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: a great place. We're going to stay here. What do

576
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you take your boat and you reuse it? Yeah, it

577
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: doesn't because we haven't found a boat, like one single

578
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: canoe or whatever it was. That doesn't mean that they

579
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: didn't exist, because I mean, you know, if you've got

580
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: a really well tanned hide that's like survived for a

581
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: really long time, super waterproof, you're not going to just

582
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: like leave it. You're gonna take it with you. Is like,

583
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you decide to go inland and you

584
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: decided just to band your boat, Well, what happens that

585
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: at the ocean a sea coast, is that things deteriorate

586
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: more rapidly than in inland. Well, let's also take a

587
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: look at boats that wooden boats and I mean by

588
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: full on wooden hulled boats that have sunk that we

589
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: have found hundreds of years later. They're barely there. Sometimes,

590
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, even in the best of cases, it's not

591
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: perfectly there. Now we're talking about thousands of years, So

592
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: no wonder that we can't find that record. So I'm

593
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: not bothered by the fact that we haven't found boats. Absolutely. Uh.

594
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: So we've got we've got kind of a related theory here,

595
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: and it's uh. I believe the way they've got it's

596
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: titled from all the research that it did is it's

597
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the the Paleo Indians of the coast from the Asia's Okay, Okay,

598
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: And this is again, this is another boat theory. Okay.

599
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: This says that people from the coastline of the Creel Islands.

600
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: I believe I'm pronouncing that right. Again, this is full

601
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: of words. I don't know. But these islands are on

602
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia and Japan. Uh. And then they extend north

603
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: across the Asian continent, and eventually, if that bearing strait

604
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: happened to be exposed, they would then run all the

605
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: way into Alaska and down to the coast. So they

606
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: were basically again skirting that area. That kind of actually

607
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: is an extension of the previous theory. Yeah, it really

608
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: is the thing about this is and Joe, I don't

609
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: know if you can pronounce this better than I. Is

610
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: it the Hyda or Hayda nation. I have no idea

611
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Hyda Nation. Yeah,

612
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: it is a coin flip for us unfortunately. Uh. These

613
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: are the people's of the Queen Charlotte Islands, which are

614
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: at Bridge in Britdige, Columbia. Uh. And they believe eve

615
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: that they may have originated from Asian mariner cultures. And

616
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: they have said that they believe they may have been

617
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: there from anywhere from twenty five to twelve thousand years ago,

618
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: which if you look at some of the their their navigation,

619
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: and if it's that long ago, that would explain why

620
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: we see human habitation in places in South America. We've

621
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: got a place called pick A Machai Cave is pick

622
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: A Machi I'm gonna go with, which is in Peru

623
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Um and then again Monteverde and pick A Macha. I

624
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that a third time,

625
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: but evidently that's supposedly twenty thousand years ago. Uh So,

626
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's quite possible that they just as

627
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: we said before, we're just skirting the coast and heading south.

628
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: And again, I think we talked about this a little bit,

629
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: but I just can't see people walking that far in

630
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: groups over the course of a thousand years just seems

631
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: really far to live. Your people's living their life on

632
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: the go to have made it through all that territory,

633
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: and and a thousand years, I don't know, A thousand

634
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: years is a long time. Most people are not going

635
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: to keep walking and walking and walking. They've gotta find

636
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: a really good spot and they're gonna settle there, right,

637
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: And so they may be migratory people's that move around,

638
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: but they have a range. So that's why I have

639
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: a problem with It's not as if they just said

640
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: we're always going this direction. So that's that's my difficulty

641
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: with it. Well, it could have been, it could have

642
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: been to that if there were, it depends on how

643
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: many people were crossing the land ridge and vibrating over

644
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: because as you know, and this is kind of I

645
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: think typical as Stone Age people, they formed tribes, and

646
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: of course every tribe hates the other tribe and does

647
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: everything I can't do murder the other tribe at that

648
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: other tribe like crosses into its hunting territory. So there's

649
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of disputes. So if you have a bigger

650
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: and more aggressive try pushing it behind you. You You might

651
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: want to have some you might have some pressure to

652
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: migrate south. On the other hand, if you're just new

653
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: that you know, fresh out, fresh out the boat, and

654
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: you're and and there's this big hostile tribe, you might

655
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: want to skirt them, go around them, and migrate further

656
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: south so that slows everybody down getting it. So, I mean,

657
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: think about trying people. People walk across this country, and

658
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: they walk on highways, and it's still not an easy process.

659
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Now think about a tribe of fifty sixty people packing

660
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: their gear and there's no roads. That's not an easy trek,

661
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: and you're looking for food the whole time. I gotta

662
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: tell you, I And one reason I liked the boat

663
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: theory is I've seen not just the coastline I've been.

664
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: I've been all up and down the coast of the

665
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: western United States and also a bit of Canada. And

666
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: the coast in Canada, for example, is basically mountains plunging

667
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: straight into the ocean. Um, you know, in the absence

668
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: of roads. You know, I can't imagine what that what

669
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: that would be like to try to traverse that, but

670
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be hideous. Well, and I think a

671
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: thousand years isn't as long as we think it is, right,

672
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in the scope of our human

673
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: time span on Earth. Yeah, it is a long time,

674
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: but it is a thousand years really long enough for

675
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: enough tribes to be dissatisfied enough to like at least

676
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: well populate an area that is to the south tip

677
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: of South America. It seems like it seems to me

678
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: like they weren't that many people pouring into the country

679
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: that there wasn't lots and lots of room. Just remember

680
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: the land bridge overflowed with water again, so it was

681
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: a very limited time span for people to continually pour it.

682
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think, I mean boats were kind

683
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: of like beating this, yeah, a little bit. But you know,

684
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: boats make sense also just in terms of like being

685
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: able to say, let's keep going. I don't know, this

686
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: place is kind of nice, but let's keep going. And

687
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: then like it starts to get bad again and you're like, oh,

688
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just stay here. Yeah. Yeah, it's not

689
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: that you could look at but absolutely, let's let's move on. Yes,

690
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: we have another one. And this is the atlant Coastal model,

691
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: is what it's referred to. And this it's the sal

692
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: you tree in people's is what tree. I actually had

693
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of research to make sure how

694
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: to say this. This is the one word I figured

695
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: out how to say. Yeah. So there's two archaeologists. There's

696
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Dennis Stanford and his

697
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: cohort is Bruce bag Badgeley bradleyogists walk into a box

698
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Bradley uh. And they've really been advocating this Atlantic Route theory.

699
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: And and by the way, I am still in the

700
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: process of reading their book. The book is called Across

701
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ice. I really highly recommend it for anybody who's

702
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: into this kind of prehistory. It's it lays out some

703
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: good arguments and it's really interesting. It's a very academic book,

704
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: so it take me a while to get through, and

705
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I think I might have a late feed the library

706
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: version of this book. I'm afraid not. So here's how

707
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: it goes. The Salutrian hypothesis. This is based on evidence

708
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: that comes from the clothes people. But what they're doing

709
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: is instead of tracing the Clovis tool making style to

710
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: the Siberian region, they're actually linking it to an area

711
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: in the what it was the Ice Age Western Europe

712
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: that is the Salutrean culture. Okay, so they have a

713
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: very similar way of working stone. So they're napping stone,

714
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: they're flaking it, they're making by face stones. But the

715
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: difference is is that where the Clovis kind of had

716
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: the bottom of the point was flattened off, the Salutrians

717
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: had it more of a tapered point. If you think

718
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: of almost like a diamond elongated. It's like if you

719
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: think of a dagger blade, it's like it's they look

720
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: kind of like a double ended dagger blade, exact two

721
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: points to it. Yeah, that's a that's a good way

722
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to to to describe, which is one of the things

723
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering about it because when I

724
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: look at the slight tree and slight tree and flint's points,

725
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: they don't look that similar to the clubs points. To me,

726
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I agree with that actually looking looking at them right

727
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: now in fact on my phone. Here's here's what's what's

728
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: so hard about this when they look at the napping style,

729
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: the stone napping style that is done and the flaking

730
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: and again I'm gonna do my best to explain this

731
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: without pictures, but there's a way that you can take

732
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: a piece of stone, and you can put it against

733
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: another one and push, and instead of just making a

734
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: shard come off the side, you can actually crack it

735
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: and roll it in a circular fashion so that remember

736
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: the by face, it goes from one face, rolls and

737
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: makes a rounded shape and then pops off the other side.

738
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: And that that that way of making these tools was

739
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: very indicative for a long time of the Clovis people.

740
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: But they've seen that same style in the Solutrean people's stones.

741
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: I just I guess I feel like and nobody else

742
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: was doing that. Yeah, okay, maybe I don't know. It's

743
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: just like, uh, to think that only one culture of

744
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: people's could ever develop this technology on their own, independent

745
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: of each other. It is kind of like a little

746
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: bit of hubris, right well, And that's one of the

747
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: things that I I had put in my notes is

748
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if synchronicity is that the word that I

749
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: think of, But there's another word where two or three

750
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: people all come up with the same idea right around

751
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: the same time. I mean, you know, it's this whole

752
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: like the argument that agient ufologists use, like for the

753
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: whole alien thing, right is, oh, well, all these pyramids

754
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: started cropping up at the same time. It's like, well, yeah,

755
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: because like people were evolving at the same time, and

756
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: like people are people, and yeah, we have different ideas

757
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: about things sometimes, but like culturally you kind of just

758
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: evolved these ideas and you make pyramids and they look

759
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: a little different and you have like slightly different techniques.

760
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: But it's the thing that a culture develops because we

761
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: are all humans and we are are very similar. Despite

762
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, what you were told as a child that

763
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: you're like a unique snowflake. You're not. You're a human being,

764
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: and like you have the same thoughts that everybody else

765
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: does and you go through the same things. And so

766
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: for me, it's that sort of thing where it's just like, Okay, yes,

767
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it is a little odd, but

768
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's not that weird because because actually,

769
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: when you think about it too, there's only so many

770
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: ways to make an arrowhead a spirace. Yeah, so and

771
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: I think we've exhausted them all. Yeah, And and that's

772
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: the thing that that the one weird thing is that

773
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: there is such a huge distance gap because that style

774
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: is seen in the Clovis and it's seen in the Salutrian,

775
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: but it is not seen in anywhere in Asia or

776
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: the Siberia regions around the same time. So it's it's

777
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: independent on a continental scale, which is what they're pointing out. Now,

778
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I understand that. I just want to bring that out

779
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: because there are some things that that kind of shoot

780
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: some holes in this theory. Well, I guess I'll just

781
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: like point out again that if it is in fact

782
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: even a continental thing, right, is that, Well, then maybe

783
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: that has more to do with the way that the

784
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: stone in the United States or the like continent of

785
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: America breaks than the stone and your I mean, I

786
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: believe is the general name of the stone wrong on

787
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: that that stone does come up in different areas. It's

788
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: naturally occurring. Yeah, So I don't know it. Yeah, it's

789
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: very hard to say. Detractors of this theory they point

790
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: out at well, there's about a five thousand year gap

791
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: between the two cultures. That's a bit of a problem

792
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: saying that. So they documented the salute in people in Europe,

793
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: and they were exactly when they were about five thousand

794
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: years different, and I believe it's before the Clovis. Yeah,

795
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and now I might have that the I might have

796
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: that flip flopped, and it might be that the Clovis

797
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: were first and the Solutreans were second, but I don't

798
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: believe that would have led this theory to come out.

799
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: So I've got to say that the Solutreans were first

800
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: and they were in Europe. So this theory. The way

801
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: this theory is going is just to kind of before

802
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: we get into the detraction side of it is it's

803
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of the same as people coming from the Asian

804
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: continent through Siberia. Is there instead saying well, these guys

805
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: came up and they went they floated along on the

806
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: ice sheets, and they went through what would be Greenland

807
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: in Iceland and then got into Canada and work their

808
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: way south into the American continent, hunting and finding whatever

809
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: they could in those areas because there's gonna be critters

810
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: that are still going to live in those marine ecosystems.

811
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: People have said, well, you know what, it would be

812
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: freezing cold and it's very wet. If you're a marines culture,

813
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: you've got a maritime culture, you've got to be able

814
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: to waterproof yourself, and we don't see any evidence of that,

815
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: which we've talked about with the boats. The same thing

816
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: I think that evidence would have disappeared by this time.

817
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, the thing about this, the people that put

818
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: this seri forth basically said that they skirted the edge

819
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: of the ice sheet during the ice Age, and the

820
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: way I see it, before the ice age, they could

821
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: have actually made their migration. I don't know, if you've

822
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: looked at a map of the North, it's quite possible.

823
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: They're saying, they're kind of playing in a gray air.

824
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: You can hop from like say, say Britain to Iceland,

825
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: or say Scandinavia to Iceland. It's not that far apart,

826
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: and then from there to Greenland is not. No, you're

827
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: absolutely You're absolutely right. And I'm not saying that they

828
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: were literally paddling alongside a glacier. Yeah, but you're looking

829
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: for a put that for the fourth and yeah, and

830
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: I think they probably did it under you know, probably

831
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: earlier in time. And that's one of the things people

832
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: bash on this theory about. They also go back to

833
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: that DNA evidence, which shows that, as they've talked about before,

834
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: there's no European UH signs in that DNA from it's

835
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: the mitochondrial DNA. And there's a term that they throw

836
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: around which is called and this is going to be

837
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: important if everybody wants to go out and do the reading,

838
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: because this will help you a lot, because it took

839
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: me a long time to figure it out. Is they

840
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: will use the term apple group, happ group group. I

841
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: cannot say words today that are scientific. Basically, what that

842
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: means is that is people who descend from a common ancestor.

843
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: This is what they do the testing for these days.

844
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: When you like say, oh, the son of a son

845
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: is going to like do the mouth swab and then

846
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: people attracted. That's that's basically yes, in a very simplified version. Yes,

847
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: over thousands of crazy science. The only way I can

848
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: even like mildly comprehend it is by like simplifying it

849
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: to the lowest common the same thing. Yeah. So here's now,

850
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: remember I talked about Stanford and Bradley. They came right

851
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: back with a bunch of issues to throw at the

852
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: land Bridge theory that we talked about in the beginning culture. Yeah,

853
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: and there's actually some really good points that they bring up.

854
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: The first of which is the in the middle of

855
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: what I say, it's just going to be a frigging

856
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: coal Yeah. So you're in the northern Hemisphere. Why would

857
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: you be in the north and at the high summers

858
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: it's like sixty degrees. Uh. Second of all, what do

859
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: we see in terms of light cycles in the northern hemisphere?

860
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: We go from days of dark to two days of

861
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: light and then back. I don't know of a culture

862
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: moving through there that would be able to stand that

863
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: just freshly coming into that. Do you see where I'm heading? Shock?

864
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, like if if we're going to

865
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: just for argument's sake, like if they were living in Siberia,

866
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: they were pretty freaking used to yeah, you know, like

867
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: they were used to the freezing cold, they were used

868
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: to the weird light cycles. And people currently in this

869
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: entire like in this day and age, live in areas

870
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: like that. That's very true, you know, granted, like we

871
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: have better technology, but it's not like they moved there

872
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: after the technology existed. They've lived there forever. And so

873
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: I guess to play a little bit. No, no, no,

874
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate Devil's advocate on that. But here's the other

875
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: thing that they bring up that I really had never

876
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: thought of, which is when the land bridge emerge from

877
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: the water, it was gonna be mud. It was gonna

878
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: be mucky. Grant, it wasn't gonna be hard packed that

879
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: was easy to walk on. It's gonna be marshy. It's

880
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna be boggy. And how in the world are you

881
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna walk through that chasing game? Game aren't gonna go

882
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: through that easily. It's gonna take a long for that

883
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: to dry out. Well, not just dry out, but actually

884
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: a game aren't gonna go there because there's nothing for

885
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: them to eat. Plants start growing there and that's gonna

886
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: take a while. Yeah. And and then there's the other thing,

887
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: another thing they brought up, which is in that region,

888
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the first thing that comes in those

889
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: marshy environments is the insects, which are like no sums

890
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: and mosquitoes and that kind. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just, again,

891
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like a place that I would say, hey, family,

892
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: let's go truck through that bog and see what's on

893
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: the other side. Hopefully we make out again. I understand

894
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm simplifying, but these are things that I see that

895
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, true, you know, I would think that

896
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: the thing that would cause that is not the great

897
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: old spirit of exploration, but pressures either from competitive tribes

898
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: that want to slaughter you number one or two. You've

899
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: killed off all the game in your area, you need

900
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: to migrate to go find somewhere else to hunt. Well,

901
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: but as you said, like, it's not super likely that

902
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: that's how things are migrating to the America's anyways. I mean,

903
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a bunch of wooly mammoths

904
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: are going to be like, oh yeah, mud, Yeah, we're

905
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: going to lumber through that. There's no food, this is

906
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: where we're going. Well, that's not gonna happen. I don't know.

907
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: A movie Hey Suley or whatever his name was. Yeah,

908
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: they're not going to do that. They're not. I mean,

909
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: if there's not food there, they're not going to go there.

910
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: And there's not food there, so why I mean there

911
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: would be food there in a relatively quick time. I

912
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: think that probably, but not heard. Yeah, I guess not

913
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: definitely not enough to sustain a herd large enough to

914
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: warrant following. Yeah, I don't think it would have taken

915
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: like a thousand years, but even a couple of hundred,

916
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: like they would take a while. That puts a ding

917
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: in the timeline. Yeah, it does. I mean, that's a

918
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: very good point that they make, though. Yeah, ears one

919
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: of the pieces of evidence that really sparked the whole

920
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: solutrey in people hypothesis. This happened in ninety four. There's

921
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: guys fishing, and I believe they were drag netting, and

922
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: they were outside of Chesapeake Bay. There were ways off

923
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: shore there are a couple of hundred feet they're dragging

924
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: a couple hundred feet down and they hit something really

925
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: big and heavy and they hauled it up and it

926
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: turned out to be a mastodon skull. Very cool, but

927
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: it was too big and heavy for them to actually

928
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: log all the way back to shore. So what they

929
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: did is they cut off parts of the tusk and

930
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: parts of the teeth and gave them everybody on the

931
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: boat as souvenirs, and then they chucked it back over board.

932
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: Wasn't there like a stone tool in it or something

933
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: that was stuck in part of the I believe it

934
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: was the tusk and was stuck and they took it,

935
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: and they took it. The people was stuck at it.

936
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: They didn't know what the hell, but they could have

937
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: just chucked it back into Eventually, the people who had

938
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: it donated it, and that's how people figured out. Okay,

939
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: can I just say one thing, these guys were bone

940
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: heads because even yeah, even if you don't have room

941
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: on your boat and you can't handle the way to

942
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the skull, what you do is you're in a couple

943
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: hundred feet of water. You tie a rope a couple

944
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: of hundred feet long with a buoy on the other

945
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: end of it to the skull so you can come

946
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: back and get it. Hello. If they realize what they

947
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: dick it back in the net and drag it behind you,

948
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: like not super deep and you're fine, skull you're going

949
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: to throw it back in. No, No, I'm not an idiot.

950
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah there, Yeah, well anyway, but yeah, and and this

951
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing because a couple hundred feet down

952
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: that's about where the ancient coastline used to be. Yea,

953
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: And now, yeah, that's exactly the point is that, as

954
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, we could start exploring that ancient coastline

955
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: down there. And even it's not just one coastline that

956
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the sea level has been rising

957
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. So anywhere between a couple hundred

958
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: feet down and shoreline, you're going to find artifacts. Yeah,

959
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: but those are hard to find now because they're under

960
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: sentiment and mud and mud and feet down and yeah,

961
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: obviously you know, we can't go down and just ripping

962
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: up the sea floor. I mean it, but it probably

963
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be good for the sea life. Yeah, you know.

964
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: And we're going to move on from the Salutrians. I mean,

965
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: there's there's been other evidence that have that have shown

966
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: that maybe people were doing these marine lifestyles, the mariners

967
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: so to speak. Yeah, I mean there's there's things that

968
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: are outside of the Channel Islands in californ Warnia that

969
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: are showing evidence of artifacts that are from like ten

970
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: thousand BC. There's all these things, and people keep saying

971
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: that there could have been possible failed colonization. And that's

972
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I want to get into because

973
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: that that kind of comes into my final thoughts about

974
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: this whole thing, well, actually a bit the whole offer

975
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: a second. The Salutrians the one word I can say tonight. Yeah,

976
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: it's actually a few people believed that they migrate it here,

977
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of other scientists believe that no, they

978
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: never ever did right. Correct, correct. People couldn't see me

979
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: shaking my head I had to say something, Yes, okay,

980
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: it's not like that. But but again, this mastodon skull

981
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: was pulled up with the saw essentially kind of a

982
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: slutree and spear point, and it was dated at twenty

983
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: two years Yeah, exactly. So that so, you know, the

984
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: little credence to the theory, Uh, it really does. And here,

985
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: but I guess that's also like fair to say that

986
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: neither none of these theories necessitate mutual exclusivity. Yeah, I

987
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: think we're sorry, am I jumping ahead? No? No, no, no,

988
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, is that I think we've said,

989
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: is that the problem is all these dates we're working

990
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: with are soft. Yeah, they're really soft, and it's hard

991
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: to say. I mean it's hard to say, like, yeah,

992
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: it's totally possible that like the Salutrians came over and

993
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: tried to colonize and we have like all of the

994
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: information they like survived for a couple hud couple of

995
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: thousand years and then just died out. Love. His culture

996
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: was more robust. They were going down the you know,

997
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: sailing down the whole shore, and they colonized and they

998
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: were way more and they are actually kind of what

999
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: the true natives are now, you know, I think it's

1000
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: there's just so many different like well, it could be

1001
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: a mix of this and this and this, given that,

1002
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: given that what what things were back in those days.

1003
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: I think if the Salutrians came over and then said

1004
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: the closed people showed up and wanted and they would

1005
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: have exterminated the Slutrians too, And this always a possibility.

1006
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: That's and that's one of my things I was gonna

1007
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: get it is, yeah, war they could have literally wiped

1008
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: them out and or enslaved them. And my enslavement, I

1009
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: mean truly did not breed. Again, I talked about this before.

1010
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: There was no interbreeding, almost no interbreeding enough that that

1011
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: that gene pool can't be detected. There's also the possibility

1012
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: that and this is out there and I know I'm

1013
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: completely making this up, but I'm just you know, my

1014
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: brain was spinning on this story. It's possible that these

1015
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: cultures met and as we said, we've got the master

1016
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: slave relationship, or we could have the god and worshiper relationship,

1017
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: where one culture shows up and they are so dominant

1018
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: and they somehow key into a culture that that other

1019
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: culture is subservient and therefore they just never stay in

1020
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: the gene pool. It's also possible that, I mean, nobody's

1021
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: ever talked about this. What if what are these cultures

1022
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: practiced some form of cremation. We've we've never seen that.

1023
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, is like they haven't found remains.

1024
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of things. I mean, the silu Trians.

1025
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: We've never found any DNA evidence that they are we're

1026
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: actually here because there's no European d But what you're

1027
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is absolutely correct. I mean a

1028
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: lot of cultures, like say India, for example, they burned corpses.

1029
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: But there's another thing there, and I have two words.

1030
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: There's two words here. Kennewick Man. Have you heard You've

1031
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: heard of Ken? Yeah, so kenne wic Man found just

1032
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: very recently along the shores of the Columbia River, not

1033
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: that far away and Kennawick near Kennewick, Washington is apparently

1034
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: from the shape of the skull and the facial features

1035
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: and everything, anthropologists have decided that he was not at

1036
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: all related to any any American Indians. He was probably

1037
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: most likely from a Polynesian island, and so that would

1038
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: that would evidence to me indications of a migration not

1039
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: just from eastern Siberia, but also from Polynesia or from

1040
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: perhaps the people who went on to populate Polynesia, because

1041
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: of course Polynesia was populated by people from the Eurasian

1042
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: land mass. So you're so Kenotic man, let me finished,

1043
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: knic Man was obviously completely different from the great majority

1044
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: of the Native Americans that we have found here. It

1045
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: is virtually impossible that he migrated all the way from

1046
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: by himself. In other words, in other words, it's very

1047
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: likely there was a mass migration of his people, his

1048
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: not just his tiny tribe, but a whole bunch of

1049
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: people from that area to North America, and they eventually

1050
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: died out. And of all that population, how many skeletons

1051
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: have we found exactly one? Exactly one, And so yeah,

1052
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: that's that supports to me. That's how your theory a

1053
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: little bit, I think. I also think there's a lot

1054
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: too like percentages, right if like of the DNA pool

1055
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: is Clovis and one percent or ten per is salt salt.

1056
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time because there's a doctor who

1057
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: raised called salt salt tarans. I'm having a very hard time.

1058
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard to keep it together. Sorry, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if if you've got your like

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01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: smaller group relatively of people who have colonized the East coast,

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: the Clovis culture finally makes over there, they realize like, okay,

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: maybe they like slaughter most of the people or not

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01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: all of them. But even if you start breeding, if

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: there's only like ten percent of the population over like,

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01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: however many number of generations, which would be a high

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: number of generations. If you're mostly breeding with Clovis culture,

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: people that like that DNA is essentially going to disappear.

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't like substain itself. I mean, there's no way

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01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 1: our DNA testing is not so advanced that we could

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, oh yeah, and there's this one percent

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: that's unidentified. We don't know. It doesn't matter, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that also would help what you're talking about is

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01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: saying that the solid trains were there and then there

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: was some interbreeding. That would help explain why the people's

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: of the eastern seaboard of the America's of the of

1076
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 1: the United States kind of funny compared to the words.

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: They are on a genetic level slightly different than the

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: people's from the western coast. But the people from the

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01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: western coast are very very similar to the people of

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01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: the South America. So that tells you that there's a

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: divergence somewhere and there's gotta been some introduction of something different, right,

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: That's that's so I I totally agree with that. I

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: totally agree with Joe that it just cracks me up

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: that all the academics are fighting fighting over it is

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: this one people. When I think Joe hit the nail

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: on the head that it is very possible multiple cultures

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: coming in at multiple times. And I think the reason

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: that this so intrigued me is that it shot so

1089
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: many holes into what we all learned as kids, which

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: was caveman walked across the land bridge, chasing mass to dog.

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: I think that's all probably the only theory that we

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: can like pretty securely discount, I mean, right, like the

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01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: sole source of the people. It's possible that at the

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: end the land bridge may have been solid enough for

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: people to just make that solid trek. But I personally

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01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: think that what I don't care which side, whether it

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: be the lant Take or the Pacific, I think that

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: people's had to have come here by boat in some form.

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01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: It's the only way they could have traveled fast enough

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: availables likely, you know, And I don't think it's gonna

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01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: happen that. I think it would be really fascinating to

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,959
Speaker 1: actually go down I mean that that stuff, the land

1103
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: bridge is still there. It's underwater, it's underwater. It would

1104
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: be really cool to go down there and just troll around.

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, for one thing, I'm actualted to find out

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01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: how long it was above and if it was above

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: the waterline long enough for actual forests to develop on it,

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: which case there should be archaeological ormates of forests in there.

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 1: There should be a thousand or two thousand years. But

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01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how long. I don't know how high

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: above sea level it was, Yeah, I mean, I don't

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01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: know how high above sea level you've got to be

1113
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: before the ground actually starts drying out significantly. Yeah, exactly.

1114
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: And but it would be fascinating to go down there

1115
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: and do a little underwater archaeology. And I realized that

1116
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: that that kind of thing is difficult next out to do,

1117
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: but I can't even but that would be the real test,

1118
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: would be to go down there and and map it.

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: Pick a spot that looked like it would be a

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: likely spot for humans to settle, at least temporarily, and

1121
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: then start digging. Let's see what you come up with.

1122
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: And and and there's there's the possibility that some of

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01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: that might have hardened and filled in, so there might

1124
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: be I mean, there's there's so many prehistoric tracts of

1125
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: dinosaurs that have become stones. You might see that kind

1126
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: of stuff, but it's so hard to see because it's

1127
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: been back underwater and now you've got you know, liquid

1128
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: forces are roadingism. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it would

1129
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: be hard. But there's got to be If that was

1130
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: a landage, there's got to be some evidence down there.

1131
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: There's got to be something. Yeah. Well, I mean that's

1132
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately where we have to leave this. Got to solve

1133
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: it it okay, now now okay, I'm about to non

1134
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: sue the murder areas. But then the lights are going

1135
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: to go out. There will be a screen and it's

1136
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: sound of a body getting the floor. You're in the

1137
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: wrong month, man, Okay, Ah, Well that is where we're

1138
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: leaving it, because that's that's where the evidence leaves us.

1139
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: And I think we've all kind of beat this enough.

1140
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: Is the which direction we're thinking it's going. But if

1141
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: you want to read any of the research on this,

1142
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: that's going to be available on our website. The website

1143
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. We will also have

1144
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: at this episode in any past episode is there, so

1145
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: you can listen to them directly on the site. Uh.

1146
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: If you want to download the show on a regular basis,

1147
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: you want to subscribe, you can do it through the site,

1148
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: or of course you could just go to iTunes where

1149
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: I think most people are still going on iTunes. If

1150
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: you're there, take the time to leave us a comment

1151
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: and a rating. We do appreciate that and that that

1152
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: gets us out to the wider world of people to

1153
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: help find us, especially prefer this well you know all

1154
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: prs PR or something like that. Oh it isn't Oh

1155
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: ignore that last statement. Uh. Now, if you want to

1156
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: listen to an episode and you haven't had a chance

1157
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: to download it, but you you used stitcher, you can

1158
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: go ahead and just stream us through any more ready

1159
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: device right there. We are of course on Facebook, so

1160
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: we have the group and we have the Facebook page.

1161
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Been some good good stuff going through both of us. Yeah,

1162
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: and people have joined lately. We get a couple of

1163
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: conversations going, so followers and jos and of course we

1164
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: have our emails. If you have thoughts, comments, something you

1165
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: want to share, suggestions, Uh, the email is Thinking Sideways

1166
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com. I know, of course this

1167
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: week alone, I left town and left Devon. I told Devon,

1168
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: don't worry, we won't get much. And then Devin just

1169
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: got in andto an emails els it's like or something,

1170
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: there's like there, don't worry, we won't get that many emails.

1171
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: And then like I was like, oh man, I need

1172
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: to check those because like it's been a couple of days.

1173
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: And I checked and they were like twenty email. Oh

1174
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you I check him on my

1175
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: phone all the time. So I kind of just deal

1176
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: with him on a running basis. No, it was a lot,

1177
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: it was. It was incredible. So I got to talk

1178
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: to a couple of people and kind of I don't

1179
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: know how you feel those I am awful at it. No, No,

1180
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: you did great, did good, and and everybody seemed to

1181
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: appreciate it. We got we got some thoughts, we got

1182
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: some ideas for topics, we got good stuff on there.

1183
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: Reminder that actually eight bit color is sixty four color.

1184
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was four bit color. This was actually

1185
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: I was going to bring this email up because because

1186
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: I screwed up, and I will admit this right now.

1187
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: This is a correction. When we talked about Gary McKinnon,

1188
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: we said that he looked at one of his images

1189
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: in four bit color and I don't know it was

1190
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: four colors. One of us said, oh, well that for colors,

1191
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: when it's actually sixteen colors. That's been embarrassing. Sorry about

1192
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: that little incorrect but thank you for correcting. Yes, absolutely

1193
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: appreciate the correction, so that those are the kind of

1194
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: emails where I'm a little embarrassed, but I'm glad to

1195
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: get up. Sound like when somebody listens to the catalog

1196
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: later on speak you know. Yeah, obviously tonight I did

1197
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that ye or mispronunciations. I think I

1198
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: did a bunch of those. Two lots of stuff, Yeah,

1199
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: lots of good stuff. This is basically a failure. Yeah,

1200
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: massive scale. This one will never get released, all right,

1201
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Well that having been said, we're going

1202
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: to go ahead and close this one out. And I guess, well, yeah,

1203
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: we'll be talking you next week probably by the way,

1204
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm voting for the Sutrians. I didn't realize we're voting

1205
01:11:51,880 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: for things. Yeah, and goodbye three