1 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Story Time with Legendary Jerry. I am Jerry Clark. I 2 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: am Jerry Clark, a k a. The Legendary Jerry, and 3 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: you are here with story Time with Legendary Jerry. You 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: hit his brother in the background with all the extra 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: extra noises career highlight. Hey boy, let me tell you something. 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Let me tell everybody out here. The reason it was 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: so important for me to have this gentleman, this brother, 8 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: this friend, colleague of mine on Storytime with Legendary Jerry 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: is the fact that his contributions and people always say this, Frank, 10 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the contribution to the culture, the culture of the culture. 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: But I really knew it was important for you to 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: be on this show, be on our show because you 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: have had a different lens to what's been going on. 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: And I know I jumped around without officially introduce you, 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: but I want to introduce this week's guess. I'm gonna 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: say it again. He's my brother, he's my friend, and 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: he really has had his hands in the culture. He's 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: let me, let me stop it. And he's a Hall 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: of famer. So that means when when you're a hall 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: of Fame in any of your craft, Weather's football, baseball, radio, 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: that means you are the best at what you do. So, 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I want you all for this week's episode, 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: give it up to my brother, my friend, mister Frank Ski, 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: my guy. 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Finally get proud of you. Thank you, Thank you, Frank. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: I've been, I've been. 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: I've been watching you for a long time, and I've 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: been looking up for looking up to you for a 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: long time. Because Frank, you've You've had a new unique 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: view of everything with the culture, with the music, and 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: seeing the you've seen it being a native New Yorker 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: or I should say Harlem ight right, and cutting your 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: teeth starting ready on Baltimore and then being down here 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and making your your name is big, I mean, becoming 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer here in Atlanta. Just to watch 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: all that transpire and we're celebrating and we've celebrated fifty 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: years of hip hop. How have you been able to 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: stay relevant during all this time and still have your 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: hand on the post? 40 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Brother? 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: I think because when you when you when you love 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: what you do, and then. 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: You do what you love. That's that's the biggest issue. 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: With so many people. So many people are not doing 45 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: what they love, and so many people don't love what 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: they do. They might like what they do, they might 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: enjoy what they do, but love is unconditional. You can't 48 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: say I love my job and not willing to do 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: it for nothing. See, I love you unconditionally, not because 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: you do something because you got this podcast, not because 51 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: we can do stuff for each other. 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I just love you as a brother. 53 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: It's unconditional. And you have to love what you do unconditionally. 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: Not because you know you're successful or not successful, not 55 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: because it provides for your family or not, not because 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: it uplifts you in the community. But it's because you 57 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: love what you do. So every day I go to 58 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: that thing called work, it ain't it ain't really work. 59 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: Because you're passionate about it. 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I do it for free. 61 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: I really would, And you can tell, man, I mean, 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do it for free if 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to, but I do it for free. 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: You're too good and like you said, you're too passionate 65 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: of what you do. So right now, frank yep, with 66 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: all that being said, what is your view on a 67 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: state of urban music? 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Man? 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: I think urban music is like everything else that happens 70 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: in the world. It changes, it moves, it molds, and 71 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: then it corrects. Hold on, say that again, changes, it moves, 72 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: it remolds itself, and then it corrects. Everything. Everything has 73 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: a correction. The stock market has a correction, the real 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: estate market has a correction. Radio has a correction, Television 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: has a correction. Entertainment has a correction. Your kids have corrections. 76 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: Your kids grow up, they move, when they get independent, 77 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: they go around, they mold themselves something new, and then 78 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: something happens in their life and they're like, oh shit, 79 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: and there's a correction, and they're like, let me get 80 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: let me get back on the straight and narrow. There 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: always has to be a correction, and there always will 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: be a correction. 83 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: So is that where so you're saying, is that where 84 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: we are right now? 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: Right now, We're we're in the stage of becoming corrected 86 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: in urban music right now. You saw the Spotify report 87 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: that you know, R and B music is up twenty 88 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: five percent. 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, people want real music again. 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 3: The issue that we have is, whenever there's a correction 91 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: in the urban culture, there's only going to be a 92 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 3: few people that will benefit from the correction. Right So, 93 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: the problem in our culture right now is that you 94 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: had the influx of technology which makes the game easier. 95 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Let's be for real, it ain't hard to make a record. 96 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody got a studio. 97 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: All you need is allowed to it hard to make Yeah, 98 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: it ain't hard to make a hit. It ain't hard 99 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: to make a hit though, Frank, well. 100 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 3: Listen, listen to what I'm saying. In this time period 101 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: of what they consider a hit, of what people consider 102 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: a hit, it's not hard. Okay, it takes a skill, 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: but it's not hard. Quincy Jones making Michael Jackson's album 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 3: was hard. 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 2: That's hard. 106 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: Prince making Purple Rain was hard, But what you're saying 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Sexy Red making her record the hit wasn't hard. Her 108 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: work is hard. Her space and time that it took 109 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: her to get there is hard. But the way records 110 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: are made today is different. Right. So if you look 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: at the essence of hip hop and the way hip 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: hop was made, you had to have you had to have. 113 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: In your crew certain elements. You had to have the 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: rapper who was good, you had to have the DJ 115 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: who was dope, and the producer and then evolved the 116 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: DJ into the producer. When the DJ became the producer 117 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: that was the heyday of hip hop, right, But now 118 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: you got people being producers that aren't even musicians. You 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: got producers that can't read a music seat. You got 120 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: producers that don't know the essence of putting a song together. 121 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: You got producers that don't know the history of music. 122 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: You got producers that don't even know anything about the 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: groups that they're sampling. You got producers that aren't students 124 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: of music. If you go to the essence of hip hop, 125 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: if you talk about Dre or Pete Rock or any 126 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: of them. People they love music. Their parents in some 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: kind of way influenced them. 128 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: They had every they had every old school R and B, 129 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: jazz blues album in their house and they were just 130 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: listening to them. They were record junkies. They would go 131 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: to the store and go through finding samples and finding 132 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: beats and whatever. This generation right here is not like that, 133 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: so when they go to making So listen to what 134 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You have so many tools available if I 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: want a if I want a loop right now, a 136 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: trap loop? 137 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: Do you have? Many? 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Thousands of trap books are out there? 139 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: True, I mean thousands of services out there that will 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: sell you a loop. 141 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, AI can make you a hit trap loop 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: right now, right now. 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: So tell me it's hard. Hmm, So tell me it's hard. 144 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: The difference is. The difference is, and I'm just gonna 145 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: say this because this is very important. The difference is 146 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: the essence of making a hit song starts with the song. 147 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: The song, somebody sitting there writing the song. Okay, so 148 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: the song, the lyrics are written. When you when you 149 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: watch films about R and B artists, whether it's whoever 150 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 3: it is, Ray Charles or Elton John, look at their 151 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: movies and watch them sitting at a piano, watch the 152 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: Queen movie. Watch them sitting in the room, coming up 153 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: with ideas, humming songs, getting an idea, making that song, 154 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: and then making the beat. See we're in reverse now. 155 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 3: So you have artists now that are sitting there and 156 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: have nothing written. Nothing is written. You have producers. They 157 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: got a stack of beats. You have A and R 158 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: people that put a producer in the studio with a 159 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: bunch of beats, and artist goes in, here's the beat, 160 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: and if it's hip hop, they make the song up 161 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: right there. 162 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 1: And they rap over the beat. 163 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: Am My lie, Jerry, No, you go in the studio 164 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: right now, you got rappers that walk into the studio 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: and make it up off the top of their head. 166 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: You have R and B artists that are getting songs 167 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: that there's a writer that walks into the studio, comes 168 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: up with these hooks and write. And what happens is 169 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: these songs are made surrounding hooks. They're not made surrounding 170 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: the heart a great song. 171 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: The hook has been a driver for especially in the 172 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: hip hop gang. I mean, been hit records is hook driven, 173 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: beating hooks not necessarily say hooks, not necessarily so historically 174 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: in hip hop. Historically in hip hop it was it 175 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: was thirty two sixty four bars, right, But those thirty 176 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: two and sixty four bars were all related. They all 177 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: Eric B and rock him them thirty two bars, right, 178 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: they all matched. They all were part of the same 179 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: thought and the same train of thought. You go in 180 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: the studio now every four bars to train the thought changes. 181 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: The bar before has nothing to do with the bar 182 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: that was ahead of it. Listen, go listen to Outcast album. 183 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: Those albums are some of the most well put together 184 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: albums ever. 185 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: Sorry, Miss Jackson, was the whole song about one thing? Yes, 186 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: the whole sorry, miss Jackson, was about one thing. Pick 187 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: me a hit R and B hip Pick me a 188 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: hit hip hop song today, and tell me the whole 189 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: song was about one thing. 190 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: Now, it's a perfect segue for going into what me 191 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: and you a talking to me. 192 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's not dope. I 193 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: love it, Yeah, I love it. But so who you you? 194 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: You're me and you are considered the O G s 195 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: in the game. So who are the young? 196 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: The young? The young artists? I hit that you fucking 197 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: with right now? 198 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: Because you know, any anytime we you know, even my kids, dad, 199 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: you hate And I'm like, nah, And I don't like 200 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: to compare everything to you know what we came up 201 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: listening to our trying to do that because by these 202 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: young cats, I really like, like I really, I really 203 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: fuck with them. I fucked with forty two Doug and 204 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: I fucked with young Nudie and I like these cats. 205 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: Man. 206 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I like what Sexy read. 207 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: She she stands in her ship, she stands on what 208 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: she does, and she created my theme song. 209 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: Ski. 210 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: I think that was about it. That that's your that's 211 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: your theme song. Come on, just like Dudoo Brown was, 212 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: That's that's your motherfucker things. So so she wrote it 213 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: for me. Let's let's let's talk a while we on 214 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Sexy Red and I'm not just singling out just you know, yeah, 215 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: but let's talk about that for a minute. What's your 216 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: thoughts on just the whole female rap game in general 217 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: right now? 218 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: I think it's not the female rappers fault about where 219 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: they are right now, and and it's only one segment 220 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,239 Speaker 3: because that's just because. 221 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: The pussy rap everything. My pussy, my pussies. Is that 222 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: what you're talking about? 223 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, because because it's about it's it's an independence movement, 224 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's women saying you're always 225 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: talking about your dicks. 226 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: Okay, that's why I don't hate on the women man, 227 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Luke and was doing it for a long time, right, 228 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean, even let's just real little Kim Foxy, every 229 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: everybody was doing it, was talking. So there's so they they. 230 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: Just they're living in the fact that women are finally 231 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 3: getting into respect they deserve and hip hop Okay, if 232 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: guys can do that music, we can do that music, 233 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: and they're selling. 234 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing bad to say about that. 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: But I had this debate earlier several months back during 236 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: vacation with my boys, I was like, yo, you heard 237 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: you heard that Dojah Cat Paint the Town Red? And 238 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: they was like, em, you know, Dad, it's all right. 239 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: I said, it's all right. I said that song get 240 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: ready to be a monster? No, no, and turn around? 241 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: What what? 242 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: What? Huge? 243 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: Huge? Because that's a song, that's a song. She's she's 244 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: she's popping her collar talking about it. 245 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: And that's it. 246 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: And that's a song. 247 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: That's a fucking smash. 248 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: It's a smash. While you were sitting here, I had 249 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: to I had to hop on my phone because I'm 250 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: in my conversation and it just ran through my mind. 251 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: A conversation we had some months ago and you you 252 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: had some interesting takes on it and this is the 253 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: fifty greatest rap groups all the time. And I remember 254 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: you called me and we talked about it and it 255 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: was a couple and you just mentioned Eric being Roy 256 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: Kim in a minute of going You said, Jerry, that's 257 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: not a group. I remember you told me, was like, 258 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Eric being Roy Kim is not You was like, you 259 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: got rock Kim. He's the lyricist and Eric B is 260 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: the DJ. 261 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: I I thought when they said groups it was like 262 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: two or more people that were rapping. I didn't really 263 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: look at it as because let me let me give 264 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: you this, let me give you an example. Well, I 265 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: didn't really look at it like a group as a 266 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: DJ and rapper. 267 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. 268 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: As a as a rapper, definitely, you know I can 269 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: one of my tops, but I didn't. 270 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: I didn't really think that that fifty Greatest Hip Hop list. 271 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: Right here, you honestly truth. I understand why they put 272 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: Outcasts number one. That wouldn't have been my choice. 273 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: Come on, Frank, don't do it. 274 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: You want me in here for a reason for you're 275 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: talking about new Face, you hit is man, what are 276 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: you talking about? Outcast is not your number one greatest 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: group of all time, rap group of all time. They're 278 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: the greatest selling rap Let me let me tell you, 279 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: bron and we we we count in the same age racket. Okay, 280 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: So who who's your number one? There's there's no way 281 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: who's your number one? Run DMC. 282 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: There's not another group that changed the world for hip hop. 283 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: There's not another group in the world that changed the 284 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: culture for hip hop. Let me tell you one reason 285 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: why I said it. 286 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: When when I was going to law school and I 287 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: had to get out of school and do after my 288 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: first year and do my turn paper. 289 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: I never finished, by the fact, but my turn paper 290 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: I wrote a about how powerful hip hop was going 291 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: to be and because they were the first rap group 292 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: that had a CD. Yeah, and not just whether understand So, 293 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: so they were so big that nobody respected hip hop. 294 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: And then when we went from vinyl to CD, nobody 295 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: had a CD. Their their album was the first that 296 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: was put on a CD. But here's here's the reason 297 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: why I say run DMC. I stepped on stage at 298 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: Live Aid. 299 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: Oh Shit nineteen eighty six. 300 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: Understand they were doing concerts that big before anybody could 301 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: even fathom that hip hop would even be that big. 302 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: They crossed over before anybody else. 303 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: Took this way, really changed the whole scope. 304 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Of But look who they did the song with. Yeah, no, 305 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. 306 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: They had the respect to be able to do that. 307 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: They had the respect to go on tour with a 308 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: Michael Jackson or whatever they were. They were the biggest 309 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: thing around the world. They spread hip hop. 310 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Around the world, right, you know, I. 311 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: Love they were the first one that had that had 312 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: the tours the big tours. 313 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: But you get what I'm saying, so, so all I'm 314 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: saying is to you, so can we So so when 315 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: you say one B or you or what you're saying 316 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: is run DMC is number one Outcast. 317 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: Only because only because let me just say this, only because. 318 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: Run DMC changed the world and changed the culture for 319 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: hip hop. Right. 320 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: They were the first ones that people looked at it 321 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 3: and was like, this is major. They had the first 322 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: biggest concerts, first biggest tours, first, to do this first, 323 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: to do all of the all of the big first, right, 324 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: I get it right out cast, huge, huge, huge, right. 325 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: Out cast. Basically, you know, said it best. The South's 326 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: got something to say, okay, and and the album was 327 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: freaking amazing, all them albums. So you want to talk 328 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: about them if you want to talk about that, that's 329 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: my only argument with the list. If you want to 330 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: talk about the affect and influence ship n w A, 331 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: can they can say the same thing, the same stuff 332 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: that you just said, the same Come on, Frank, they 333 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: can n w A hit the impact on rap music. 334 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: And you want to say positive or negative, but the 335 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: impact that nw A has had on the culture and 336 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: on rap music isn't just as big as run DMC. 337 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: You don't think, no, no, you don't think NWA's impacts 338 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: has been as big. 339 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: What are you talking about, frank in w A. That 340 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: spawned a whole, a whole movement. 341 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: Listen, it spawned a movement of a particular rap style. 342 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: It did not respond the movement of rap in general. 343 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: It did not. 344 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: So give me so which we forget the billboard list. 345 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: Let's let's go over it. Let's let's talk about your 346 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: your because like I said the beginning. 347 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: I would have I would have had to have it. 348 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 3: I would have had to have outcast n w A. 349 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: I would have had if you could, if you can 350 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: put here here's my problem with the list. If you 351 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: can put n w A on the list, because of 352 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: what they moved and the fact that they moved a 353 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: culture right, they moved, they moved the West coast right, 354 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: they moved a style right. But you would not have 355 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: had n w A if not for who to line crew, 356 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: I see you later, I see you later. 357 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: You can. 358 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Uncle Luke told me, why why couldn't you have it 359 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: without Luke? 360 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: Because Luke hold on. 361 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Luke said that Rihan and dre and easing them used 362 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: to tell him that they're the reason they were able 363 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: to do what they did. 364 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: As far as talking on records like that. 365 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Too, absolutely absolutely, because of absolutely so how they're not 366 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: gonna have up there? Who was on the list the 367 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: lower down? If you if you gonna, if you're gonna 368 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: talk about n w A in California, who moved the 369 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: whole South. 370 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: South was Luke Luke Skywalker. 371 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Records the South, the South, YEA Independent, the South, Frank Independent. 372 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: He showed all these labels. 373 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Before j Prince, before Tony Draper, 374 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: before everybody, it was Luke. It was Luke. 375 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: It was yes, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And that's 376 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: what run DMC represented. 377 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: And you and Luke y'all. 378 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's let's let's it has been well documented. 379 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, for those who don't know, Frank ski Uh 380 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: was a producer. And I'm gonna say what was still is. 381 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: But you had you had some big records man back in, 382 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, and Dudu Brown was one of them. And 383 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: I've heard over the years and it's been highly you know, 384 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: talked about Uh as far as uh you're publishing with 385 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: that record, whether or not you still had it. Well, 386 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: what happened with that whole situation? Because you and Luke 387 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: that record was on the Luke Now, well, how was 388 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: Luke involved with that? 389 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: He wasn't, So how was it with your publisher? 390 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: It is mine? 391 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: Oh so he didn't have nothing to do with it. 392 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Then now, okay, so you and him we're perfect. So yeah, 393 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: I was going to say, here's what happened when I 394 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: did Doodoo Brown, right. I called Luke and I said, yo, 395 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: I got a record, and he said I want to 396 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: hear it. 397 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna bring it to you. I was 398 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: in Baltimore on the radio. I get off the radio, 399 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: I get on the radio. Six pm. The next morning, 400 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: I jumped on a flight from Baltimore to Miami. I 401 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: get to Miami, I go to Luke Records, took a cab. 402 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 3: Remember we ain't have cell phones back then. Took a cab, 403 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: went to Luke Records, sat in his office and waited 404 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: from when they opened in the morning, and I waited 405 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: until like two o'clock. He never showed up. I got 406 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: back in the car and the cab went back to 407 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: the airport, flew back to the radio station, got on 408 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: the air. He called me, Yeah, I heard it. It's 409 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: all right, it's all right, go ahead and do your thing. 410 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: I'm not interested. I said, okay, I'm gonna put it out. 411 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: He said, okay, I put it out. About about about 412 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: a month later, three weeks later, my brother and Miami 413 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: calls me. He said, Bro, you're not gonna believe this. 414 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: Power ninety six is getting ready to play the Battle 415 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: of the Songs and your song is up against Luke. 416 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: I was like, oh really, I'm nervous whatever. And I'm 417 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: listening over the phone and it's like, yeah, oh yeah, 418 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 3: go for the Brown. You vote for the Brown, Vote 419 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: for the Brown, Vote for the Brown, and then the 420 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: rest history. Then Luke called my people. It was like yo, 421 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. 422 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: And we made a deal. 423 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: And the deal was that I went to work for him, 424 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: and I was the guy that did all the. 425 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: Mixes for his records. 426 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: So I did the mix on It's Your Birthday, I 427 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: did the mix on Scar, I did the mix on 428 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: Don't You Want on Wanna Don't One on One? All 429 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: that I did Disco Rick, I did Poison Claim, I 430 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: did all that ship this history right now now now 431 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: now fair to say that Luke would send me the 432 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: original mix and then I put my Frank Ski spin 433 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: on it, and and Luke and I have been friends forever, forever. 434 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: So when I toured. 435 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: When I toured, I toward Miami, and I went to 436 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: Luke's club, and then I went to luke skating ring, 437 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: and then I did all the Luke parties and everything. 438 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's always it's been love. 439 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: And it's always been love, all right, It's always been 440 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: When when when Luke was trying to be on the 441 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: school board and do all that shit in Miami, he 442 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: called me and I wrote him. 443 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: A letter, and man, that's some solid shit. 444 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: Frank, He's always gonna be my boy. 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