1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: So we have been receiving quite a bit of correspondence 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: from some of our fellow conspiracy realist who were saying, yeah, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: we thought you guys would be fired after your first 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: episode two. Also, we love we love your X Files episodes. 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: We love your kind of monster of the weak, examinations 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: of things that remain unexplained in the modern day. And 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: this is where we get to a favorite episode of ours. 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: In like the early morning of February, this is true, 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff went wrong in the skies of 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and not one person, but multiple people were 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: convinced they saw something strange in the sky. You guys 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: remember this episode or were you around in forty two. 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't think either of you were our time, it 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: definitely was, But I have to say this has been 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: top of mind for me. I believe the two of 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: you fellas as well. After seeing the in my opinion 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: spectacular Nope on Imax and the big screen, UH really 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: gave me a lot to think about. That movie really 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: stuck with me and the idea of kind of you know, 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: um extraterrestrials hiding in plain sight. Zero spoilers here, Please 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: check out I think you'll very much enjoy it. It's 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: certainly been something that I've been re uh invigorated about. Yes, 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: fantastic movie. Just gonna agree with you the nold Ben. 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: I just want to go back to what you're saying. 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: They were so convinced there was something up there that 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: they were firing artillery shells like flak cannons up into 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: the air to try and bring stuff down. That's nuts. Yeah, 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: this is uh. This is a story that is hallowed 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: in the holes of you ethology, and we hope you 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: enjoy our exploration of what really happens, what may have 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: happened all those decades ago, from UFOs to psychic powers 32 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: grant you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. 35 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. My name 36 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: has been your you. And when all of us joined 37 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: forces together that makes this stuff they don't want you 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: to know. It basically formed like Vultron. I'm the hat 39 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: a Vultra, a shadowy Vultron that would appear on the 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: X Files. And today we're going to talk about uh 41 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: something historical, something obscure, something that might be related to UFOs. 42 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: And as you guys know, I'm really excited every time 43 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: we can check out one of these episodes. Something that 44 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: was made into a film in the two thousands, well 45 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: has a title. This is something that has always bugged 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: me and probably bugs a lot of other people as well, 47 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: when they say the following events are the following motion 48 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: picture is based on actual events, right like Chainsaw massacres 49 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: based on ed Gain I believe his name was, but 50 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: very very very very very very loosely and the fact 51 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,559 Speaker 1: that they had a lot of barbecue in Texas. Oh boy. 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: With those two things combined, they made the Vultron of movies. 53 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: That is, how do we miss that in the cannibalism episode? 54 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: That was That's a good point. This this time, what 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about occurs in in the wee hours February. 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: Technically it's the twenty five February one in in l 57 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: a air raid. Sirens sound across Los Angeles County and 58 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: this was a signal for what was initially taken to 59 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: be an attack by Japanese air forces. Yeah, an attack 60 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: over a populated area. So the authorities they order to 61 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: blackout through the entire or most of the county in 62 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: that area to reduce visibility for bombers precisely. Now, if 63 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm a bomber going over, I can't see exactly where 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm going now, or at least not as easily. So. 65 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Then at three sixteen in the morning, the thirty seven 66 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: Coast Artillery Brigade began firing fifty caliber machine guns and 67 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: twelve point eight pound anti aircraft shells into the air 68 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: at reported aircraft. The artillery fire continued into the night, 69 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: well morning, rather the wee hours. Let's say, almost fift 70 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: hundred shells were fired, so pilots from the fourth Interceptor 71 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: Command were alerted. Is very important, but their aircraft remained 72 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: on the grounds. After about an we're of this intense 73 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: shelling that Knowle's describing, the all clear was sounded, the 74 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: blackout order was lifted. It was seven one in the morning. 75 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: This is a crazy day. What's that about, right? That's 76 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: that's me that's awakened by this Harry artillery fire. And 77 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: then you wake up in the morning and it's like 78 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: nothing to see here? What what's going on? Moving on? 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into it. But the tensions are super 80 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: high for even civilians who were just living there in 81 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: that area. And we'll get into why, but yeah, you 82 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: can imagine this would be a terrifying moment being in 83 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: your house as you're hearing this overhead. I probably downpladed 84 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. It would be a little more than 85 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: what's that? Yeah, I don't know. You know, when that 86 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: when that latest how unfortunate it is to say it 87 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: this way. When that latest string of failed coordinated bombings 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: occurred in New York, when that dumpster exploded and Chelsea, 89 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the New Yorkers interviewed were saying, like, yeah, 90 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: and they're closing down the road, got stuff to do. 91 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: You know that buddy of mine was at Barnes and 92 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: Noble a couple of blocks away and said he just 93 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: thought it was thunder, didn't think anything of it. Yeah, 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: then imagine that happening above your head approximately, you know, 95 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of times. Right, sounds exactly. So let's 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: look at the aftermath. So wake up seven one am. 97 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: You know, the lights are back on, people are wandering 98 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: out to work checking damage. Several vehicles and buildings were 99 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: damaged by fragments, but shell fragments from the anti aircraft shelves, 100 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: not wreckage from some aircraft. And there were people who died, 101 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: but luckily less than you the less than you would think, 102 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: according to the official story. Yeah, because of the blackouts. 103 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: There were still vehicles on the road, and there were 104 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: I believed three car accidents or at least three fatalities 105 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: involved with car accidents. And there were also a few 106 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: fatal heart attacks or something something really heart to heart attacks. Yeah. Uh. 107 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: And the incident was front page news along the U. S. 108 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: Specific coast. It earned some mass media coverage throughout the 109 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: nation and later days and then people were asking exactly 110 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: what you said, you like, what happened? What? What? What 111 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: the hell? Guys, you know, it's three in the morning, 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: and they went to Uncle Sam. So, the secretary of 113 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the Navy at the time, a guy called Frank Knox, 114 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: held a press conference, um and the message delivered to 115 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: those in attendance was that this had been a false 116 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: alarm due to anxiety and war nerves. Nerves. Yeah, well sure, 117 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: war nerves, because thank you, I like that sound a lot. 118 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: But this was contradicted by the Army the next day 119 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: in a statement relaying General George C. Marshall's belief that 120 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: the incident may have been caused by commercial planes airplanes 121 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: that were being uses some kind of psychological warfare campaign 122 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: to generate panic amongst the citizens. Yeah, the army initially 123 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: stated there were possibly five light enemy aircraft launched from 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: secret bases within California, Mexico or from offshore submarines. Furthermore, 125 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: there were thousands of on the ground witnesses along with 126 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: what would become a notorious photograph, and as we said, 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: inevitably media began to pick up the story. Some contemporary 128 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: press outlets suspected a cover up. In the Long Beach Independent, 129 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: the editor wrote, as a mysterious reticence about the whole 130 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: of fan it seems that some form of censorship is 131 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: trying to halt discussion on the matter. Say, yeah, I 132 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: don't think you said see at the end. But speculation 133 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: was rampant, and there were several different theories about this, right. So, 134 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: needless to say, there was a whole lot of speculation 135 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: going on because these different statements didn't really give the 136 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: general public whole hell of a lot to go on, 137 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: especially from two of the major military arms that are 138 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: giving conflicting stuff totally contradictory, and just the idea that 139 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: something of this magnitude could happen, you know, as a 140 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: result of nerves, that's pretty terrifying in and of itself. 141 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: That would not put me, uh in a very good 142 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: state of mind. When, as you know, Pearl Harbor had 143 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: happened not terribly long before this, so people were probably 144 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: already a little on edge about the potential of that 145 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: happening again, um under the cover of night. And then 146 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: the fact that their own government isn't giving them much 147 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,479 Speaker 1: actual information. I do not think that created a particularly 148 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: confident public. The speculation wasn't something relegated to the fringes 149 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: of society, you know. It wasn't some group of people 150 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: gathered in smoky room with one line around them going 151 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: I don't think the story was true. It's like the 152 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: l a Times, It's like the newspapers of note And 153 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: So what were some of these theories? What was some 154 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: of the speculation, some of these musing yes, some of 155 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: these musics, I will I will play this reindeer game. First, 156 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: there were theories, as we mentioned, about stuff like a 157 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: secret base in northern Mexico, so not in the US, 158 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: but on the continent. Right, because logically be very difficult 159 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: to smuggle in the requisite hardware to create a secret 160 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: military base. But that was an idea, wasn't it. And 161 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: that was one of the ideas yet. And then there 162 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,119 Speaker 1: is something else, the idea that there were Japanese submarines 163 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: stationed off shore with the capability of carrying planes, which 164 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: sounds so from a technological standpoint, amazing, right, But as 165 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: you can imagine, it is still pretty difficult to do. 166 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: And that was compounded by the fact that a Japanese 167 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: submarine did surface off the Pacific earlier before, so people 168 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: were pretty spooked about it. Others speculated that the incident 169 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: was either staged or exaggerated, a false flag attack, perhaps 170 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: to give coastal defense industries an excuse to move further inland. 171 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: So that's a corporate motivation, you know, profit and safety motivation. 172 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: But this went all the way to government officials calling 173 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: for a congressional investigation. A representative from Santa Monica Congressional 174 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: Representative Leland Ford called for an investigation, saying, quote, none 175 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: of the explanations so far offered removed the episode from 176 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: the category of complete mystification. This was either a practice 177 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: raid or a raid to throw a scare into two 178 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: million people, or a mistaken identity raid, or a raid 179 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: to lay a political foundation to take away Southern California's 180 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: war industries. You say, any I think it's some kind 181 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: of raid. It's some kind of raid, but for what 182 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. So what happened We'll get to that 183 00:11:52,280 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it 184 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Even in the modern day, or we're recording 185 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: this in t Steen, even in the modern day, you 186 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: will hear several different theories regarding what really happened. I'm 187 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: loving that finger quote sound effect. No, it's perfect. Uh, 188 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: what really happened in those in in those late hours 189 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: in the most popular alternative theories today involve either a 190 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: Japanese covered up attack that you know, they were embarrassed 191 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: about they didn't want to admit, or the emergence of 192 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: some kind of top secret aircraft, you know, something that 193 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: came straight out of Nevada somewhere in a secret test facility. 194 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: Or that perhaps these were extraterrestrials. Maybe not, maybe just 195 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: the UFO, but you know that alien specter remains. When 196 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: I first saw that, the idea that like it was 197 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: they would cover up a Japanese attack. I was like, 198 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, why would you keep your citizens in the dark. 199 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: But but you make a good point. Maybe it didn't 200 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: want to admit that they had been they got got Yeah, 201 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: really that's legit on it. So if this turned out 202 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: to be true, it would be not only an astonishing 203 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: moment in US history, but one of the largest cover 204 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: ups in recent history as well. There's an important note 205 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: that I'll reiterate here, uh As, As you guys have 206 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: pointed out, this occurred very soon after the Pearl Harbor attack. 207 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor occurred on December seventh. This occurred February n two. So, 208 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: uh As, as we've pointed out before in this in 209 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: this show, civilians, military officials, in the media like to 210 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: believe the West Coast would be the next target. The 211 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: day before this attack occurred, a Japanese submarine had surface 212 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: near Santa Barbara. So there are all these anti aircraft 213 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: batteries along the West coast. They were on high alert. 214 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: They were told to be at any given moment, told 215 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: to be on the lookout for anything unusual, and they 216 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: were working as active stations, ready to fire at any moment, 217 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: and they were taught that they were supposed to expect 218 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: an attack at any moment. These people were assured that 219 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: something terrible was going to happen, and psychologically we'll see 220 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: that that's very important and could be a deciding factor. 221 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: Let's look at those three most popular theories about what happened. 222 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: When I say popular, I don't necessarily mean the one 223 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: that Uncle Sam accepts, because there is one that Uncle 224 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: Sam believes is the true is the official narrative. Uh so, 225 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: what what's the first one? So? Japan did in fact 226 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: have a secret air based weapons program in the US 227 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: during w W two. It was called the FuGO bombing 228 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: balloons like actually like balloons. Yeah, yeah, So their existence 229 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: was kind of kept under wraps until a balloon bomb 230 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: killed six people having a nice picky nick and Oregon. 231 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: But if these balloon bomb devices had somehow reached Los Angeles, 232 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: neither the US nor Japan have any records to show 233 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: that this was the case. But again, double butt, These 234 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: were only launched against America from nineteen forty four onwards 235 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: so far as we know, So that would mean that 236 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: there's a problem with the timeline. Right if this attack 237 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: occurs in nine two, and everything we know about these 238 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: bombs says that they don't exist intil ninety four, then 239 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't have had it. But there's another kicker here. 240 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: They weren't the only other army with this sort of plan. 241 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: The United Kingdom was using a similar tactic and earlier, 242 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: So their first evaluation of when of whether these bombs 243 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: could be used on balloons occurs in like nineteen thirty seven. 244 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: So in ninety two, the concept of some sort of 245 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: balloon weapon, assil as it might sound, was definitely around. 246 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: It was like in the zeitgeist. Government mints were thinking 247 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: about it. So just to kind of paint the picture here, 248 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: these are pretty interesting, you know, by today's standards, rudimentary 249 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: bombing devices basically a hydrogen balloon with a series of 250 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: chords or wires or ropes attached around the mid section 251 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: of the balloon going down to a point. Then there's 252 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: a ring with the payload I guess you could say, 253 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: in the center, and then a series of sandbags around it. 254 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: And then you were saying that there were different regulators 255 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: altimeters I believe that could determine what altitude the balloon 256 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: was in, and then cut chords for sandbags to get 257 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: it to go higher, and then once it reached a 258 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: certain altitude, it would release a charge that would drop 259 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: the payload. Right. Yeah, it was on a timer system, 260 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: so after it if it went too high with event hydrogen, 261 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: so it would descend, drop sandbags to us end to 262 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: keep it in this range of altitude, and then when 263 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: it hit its timeline, then it would drop everything, including 264 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: the bomb. So very clever. It does seem a little 265 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: rugimentary in our modern age of drones. Hard to target, 266 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: right right, hard to target, and not necessarily uh effective 267 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: in the larger scheme of war. But a small number 268 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: had been recorded, right, and they were and even somewhere 269 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: shot down by fighter aircraft. But there's a worrying thing 270 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: about these is that they were they had a high altitude, 271 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: and they had a surprisingly fast speed. That was the 272 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: main difficulty for fighter aircraft. So it is possible that 273 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: a weaponized balloon could have been there. But there's another theory. 274 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: While we're on balloons, So speaking of these balloons, the 275 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: US official position is that these were UFOs. They're unidentified 276 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: flying objects, but they were wait for it's not me 277 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: if you've heard this one meteorological balloons. Weather balloons. Oh, 278 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: weather balloons making a return appear rents and swamp gas. 279 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, it's swamp gas of weather balloons. Yet 280 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and this comes from a little bit more recent, uh circumstances. 281 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: Almost fifty years later, the Office of Air Force History 282 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: concluded that a careful study of the evidence suggests that 283 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: these meteorological balloons known to have been released over Los 284 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: Angeles may well have caused the initial alarm. This theory 285 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: is supported by the fact that anti aircraft artillery units 286 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: were officially criticized for having wasted ammunition on targets which 287 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: moved too slowly to have been airplanes. So weather balloons 288 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: were released from each of the approximately dozen anti aircraft 289 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: positions around the city every six hours. And if we 290 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: look at this from a unpacking or slightly if we 291 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: look at the timeline and sequence of events, here what 292 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: we find. So these these balloons, these weather balloons, they say, 293 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: we're illuminated from below by an enclosed candle and was 294 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: designed to reflect off the silver lining of the balloon 295 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: to ensure that you could see it. So reports suggests 296 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: that the gunners from all but one battery must stook 297 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: the balloons for planes and open fire sounds. You know, 298 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like the old argument of incompetence versus malevolence, right, So, 299 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, we got to think of the mentality 300 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: of the time where people, you know, were understandably on edge, 301 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: and as you said, there was this, uh, this overarching idea, 302 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: this notion that an attack was eminent, you know. And 303 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses for you, but I I think they 304 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: should be trained and they should be able to react accordingly. 305 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: But I don't find this particular explanation to be too 306 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: much of a stretch. It also has to do with 307 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: with communication that's occurring between the different arms of the military, 308 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: like depending on who released the balloons, if it's army 309 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: personnel who are shooting at these things, but it's air 310 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: force personnel that released the loons or you know, naval personnel, 311 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: and there wasn't good communication about when they're being launched 312 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: and war and it may even go further. That's a 313 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: good point because these anti aircraft positions were these anti 314 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: aircraft positions were probably not communicating very well with each other. 315 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: So the only gun battery that did not fire was 316 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: the d battery of the two third Coast Artillery Regiment 317 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: and that was also directly in the flight path of 318 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: this alleged aircraft. This was also the company that most 319 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: recently launched its balloons at three am whenber the firing 320 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: starts at three sixteen and afterwards, the staff at D 321 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: Battery were instructed not to mention these balloons and the 322 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: officer in charge of Colonel Ray Watson was given up pension, 323 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: which this could make sense, and that means it would 324 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: still be a cover up, but it was a cover 325 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: up to avoid embarrassment. And furthermore, why the question is like, well, 326 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: why did this go so crazy? E Then if it 327 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: was just a weather balloon, why did everybody end up 328 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: shooting it? Why didn't somebody say stop, stop, that's a 329 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: balloon or why didn't the balloon pop? That's a heck 330 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: of a question. So many of the shell burst for 331 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: people who believe this story, including the including the Navy, 332 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: many of the shell bursts were mistaken for other aircraft 333 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: and so this would lead somebody a different battery position 334 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: to say, oh, crap, I gotta get this one. Okay, 335 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: So I shoot one shell into the air, it explodes, 336 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Nol sees it and he thinks, oh, what the heck 337 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: was that he shoots? And then it's just this fun 338 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: little cycle. That's just how I roll. Man, I shoot 339 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: first and ask questions later. Now you shot second, Buddy 340 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Han shot first? Alright, and this shows the wildly this shows, 341 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, this could explain rather the wildly fluctuating reports 342 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: on the number of aircraft, the speed, their altitude. And 343 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: then we get to my my favorite of these series, 344 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: do do do do do? Do now? Bad? Now bad? 345 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: That don't that's misleading. It could just be could be 346 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot of things, could be more of a bing 347 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: now things that really bing back then sounds to me 348 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: like an old sailing. Sure, I like the I like 349 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: to think that's the noise it makes as it flies through. 350 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: Or it could could be the classics. So here we go. 351 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I wants to deal with this. What I mean? You know, 352 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't the balloon, as you mentioned, already be considered 353 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: a UFO. Excellent point. Excellent point, because every time we 354 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: do this, we will get letters, will get letters from 355 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: folks who will write in and say, uh, this is 356 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: definitely an extraterrestrial or this is not. And it's because 357 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: we'll use the phrase UFO. But UFO stands for, as 358 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: we all know, unidentified flying object. Yeah, unidentified flying object. 359 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: And that's exactly the point that Noel is making. A 360 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: balloon that you don't recognize as a balloon is a 361 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: UFO until you say, oh, that's a balloon. An alien 362 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: spacecraft is a UFO because if one appears, people will 363 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: have no idea what it looks like or what it is, 364 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: and it will behave differently, we would assume, especially if 365 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: it's space worthy. If there is a secret spy plane 366 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: like the B two bomber or something, then that is 367 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: also a UFO. If there is uh a Horton HO 368 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty two, which is the which is the fixed wing 369 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: aircraft that the Nazi powers working on before the fall 370 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: of Nazi Germany, if that thing's in the air, that's 371 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: also a UFO. Or even a larger like nowadays a 372 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: larger drone that perhaps you don't know exactly what it is, 373 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: that could be a UFO. Yeah, one of those creepy 374 00:23:48,280 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: surveillance blimps, to which are a real thing. So those 375 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: who believe the incident was caused by an actual yet 376 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: unidentified craft have several pretty valid questions For the people 377 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: who buy the balloon story, as well as the people 378 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: who sell the story. Uh number one, which I jumped 379 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: the gun on earlier. Here, wouldn't a balloon pop when 380 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: you hit it with an artillery shell? You certain? Right? 381 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: The ufo'll just argue that a balloon subject to shelling 382 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: would have popped. But there's evidence from other comparisons we 383 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: can make that that might be less certain than you 384 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: would think. Kind of similar to how in the movies 385 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: anything happens to a car and it explodes giant fireball, 386 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: ye destruction, and it's really difficult to make cars do 387 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: that in real life. You have to know what you're doing, 388 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's not just shooting at a gas tank 389 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: most times. So that, yeah, I think there was. Yeah, 390 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: And then there's always Sunny in Philadelphia where Mac and 391 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: Charlie throw a grenade into the car because they think 392 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: it will explode, and it just mess really messes up there. 393 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: What about that, Not to get too off the topic, 394 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: what about that old trick where you take a rag 395 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: soaking in gas, put it in the gas tank and 396 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: light it like a fuse and then run away. That 397 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: can work? I would think that can work. Yeah, Uh, 398 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: that is not what happened here, that was not what 399 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: happens here, and don't ever do that. So we we 400 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: have to we have to draw comparisons to the closest 401 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: thing that we we have at the time. So at 402 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: the time, they're also Zeppelin type airships, right, and that 403 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: would be another kind of balloon similar too. So these 404 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: rigid and semi rigid aircraft are not like the FuGO 405 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: balloons that we're talking about, because those relied on over 406 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: pressure to sustain their shape. But so, yeah, if anything 407 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: punctures it, it's gone. Well, if anything punctures it, it 408 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: will It won't necessarily pop the middle of this. Yeah, 409 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: it might deflate and slowly go down. The flexibility of 410 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: a balloon or blimps gas bag gives some protection from 411 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: explosive fire. Uh. The skin will dent and distort to 412 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: absorb the impact and may not actually puncture. We see 413 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: experimental spy blomps like the one I mentioned the l 414 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: E m v UH may be able to sustain damage 415 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: and not be shot down immediately. And also to that 416 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: point about cars, it's not guaranteed that something even hydrogen 417 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: powered will or hydrogen filled rather will ignite when hit 418 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: by normal bullets in World War One, and this was 419 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: on a This was a pretty interesting comparison I found 420 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: on a site that believes this is the case. During 421 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: World War One, a zeppelin called the L thirty three 422 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: was hit by anti aircraft fire, but it didn't catch 423 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: a flame instead of just was forced to crash land. 424 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: And so the way that fighter aircraft began to be 425 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: able to really light up a zeppelin is when they 426 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: switched from normal AMMO to explosive and phosphorous incendiary bullets. 427 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: So a combination of these would ignite the hydrogen. So 428 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: it's possible, according to the people who believe this part, 429 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: that trapnel from the batteries would not have destroyed the 430 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: balloon but would have punctured it goes into the ocean. 431 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: But that's not a guaranteed explanation. The second question for 432 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: the UFO folks, right, for those who believe in the 433 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: UFO theory, why does that famous photo that we mentioned 434 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: earlier show a saucer rather than a spherical shape, Because 435 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: if you look at the photograph, it definitely does not 436 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: look like a weather balloon. Yeah, but it also kind 437 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: of looks like a saucer, right, I mean, that's one 438 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: of the big things here like it. The shape looks 439 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: a bit round of whatever is being illuminated, but it's 440 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: also so overblown that it's really hard to get any 441 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: type of shape out of it unless you unless you 442 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: mess with a photo a lot. Looking at it now, 443 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: and I mean there's a whole bunch of searchlights trained 444 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: on it. And if it was a weather balloon, like 445 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: we said before, those can be quite reflective. I could 446 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: see it definitely a grainy photo like this having some 447 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: issues with perspective. You know, it does look a little 448 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: more oblong, but maybe we're seeing the top of it, 449 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're just like the perspective is everything. 450 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: It's interesting though it's a neat picture. It does. It's 451 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: very threat compelling picture, and I just don't know if 452 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: we're able to see exactly what it is. So this 453 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: photo that we're discussing here is pretty famous. There are 454 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: several versions of it that have been retouched over the years. 455 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: Um it appeared in in the l A Times. But 456 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very common before you when you 457 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: take a photo like this and then you want to 458 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: put it in the newspaper, so you take it to 459 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the print right the big press. It's very common, or 460 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: it was and it still is today to retouch photographs 461 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: to make sure you get the best image that you 462 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: possibly can that will look the best in that black 463 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: and white format. And we even have a quote from 464 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: the l A Times with an update about this photo. 465 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: In the retouched version, many light beams were lightened and 466 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: widened with white paint, while other beams were eliminated. In 467 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: earlier years, was common for newspapers to use artists to 468 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: retouch images due to poor reproduction. Basically ten shades of 469 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: gray if you were lucky. Thus my conclusion, the retouching 470 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: was needed to reproduce the image, but man, I wish 471 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: the retouching had been more faithful to the original. With 472 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: our current standards, this image would not be published. And 473 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: that's a statement by Scott Harrison over the Times. So altered, 474 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: but not altered to uh deceive people, not necessarily, but 475 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: still it's I mean, they're putting white paint onto the image, right, 476 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: It's a super compelling photo that white paint acts to 477 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: great effect. I mean those lights, of those beams of 478 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: lights are super stark and they're all kind of converging 479 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: on this form in the sky. And I mean it 480 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: it it looks like, um, a saucer shaped sort of 481 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: like an elliptical shaped thing. And you know, I could 482 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: see how people could definitely latch onto that. It's a 483 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: very very cool, compelling image. But I can also see 484 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: the the idea of taking that paint and making it more, 485 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, pop kind of more. I mean, we're used 486 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: to that now with like Instagram. You can have a 487 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: four year old take a picture and slap on Instagram 488 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: filter on, and all of a sudden it looks compelling. 489 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: But this is very interesting for the time. So this 490 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: is a representation of what happened. We know that there 491 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: were a ton of human beings probably, I mean, I 492 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: can imagine some people are outside looking up, or at 493 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: least in the way, know, looking up as they're taking 494 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: shelter from all this noise. What did witnesses say they saw? 495 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: So you'll hear people who want to push their own agenda, 496 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: whether they believe it was a weather balloon, whether they 497 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: believe it was some kind of craft, whether they believe 498 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: it was nothing. Uh, there's a bad habit people can 499 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: sometimes have wherein they will say, okay, out of these 500 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: ten thousand, out of these potentially two million people. UH. 501 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: The thousand who say that they saw this are the 502 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: ones who are clearly right, because that's what I believe. 503 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: So also, as we know these multiple there are multiple 504 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: accounts from the evening that widely contradict one another, and 505 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately eyewitnesses are incredibly unreliable. So there are many many 506 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: eyewitnesses I say they saw some sort of salcer shaped 507 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: thing that was flying in a way they had never 508 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: seen a craft fly before. There are many many eyewitnesses 509 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: who say that they saw multiple things fighting in the 510 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: air of the war between humans and aliens or war 511 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: between the Japanese and the Allied forces or Japanese in 512 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: the US. At this point, should we should throw in 513 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: there really fast? But with the multiple aircraft and multiple 514 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: things fighting in the air, the military they were using 515 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: tracer ammunition, so you could see the bullets flying through 516 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: the air, and you can imagine what that might look 517 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: like to an untrained eye, all these beams of light 518 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: essentially going across. And so here we are towards the 519 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: modern day. The current official stance here in the US 520 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: remains the same as the nineteen three investigation concluded, and 521 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: that stances that UH tensions were high, people had war nerves, 522 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: and routine meteorological or weather balloons deployed around three AM 523 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: prompted an attack because the city was already on high 524 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: alert with the air aid siren going off at one However, 525 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: it's not likely the American public will ever consider this 526 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: entirely solved, regardless of what the government says, unless more 527 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: evidence emerges. We're stuck within official explanation that many people 528 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: think is malarkey or at the very least murky malur malurkey, Yes, alurky. 529 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: And there's the lasting consequences to this, regardless of what 530 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: you are convinced happened, and regardless how many people do 531 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: or don't agree with you. One of the lasting consequences 532 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: which stays today is accelerated UH state discrimination against innocent 533 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: American civilians, particularly in this case, Japanese American residents. At 534 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: the time, the US government was already actively UH interning 535 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: people and detaining them would be a good word. And 536 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: this also descends to you know, descends down to the 537 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: modern day when we have we have people with legitimate 538 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: concerns that one day a federal power will simply decide 539 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: that they are a risk and then boom bag over 540 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: your head shipped you off somewhere, and that that belief 541 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: is the result of occurrences like this. But I have 542 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, what do you think now? I 543 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: certainly think it was one of the in my opinion, 544 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: one of the coolest pieces of the past dealing with 545 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: the UFO, just because of that image. I think the image, 546 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: like you said, no, it's everything. It conjures so much, 547 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: so many other thoughts in my head about what it 548 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: would be like if an extra tricks terrestrial craft descended 549 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: on a city, and like, what what how do we 550 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: react in that immediate moment if one comes down in 551 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: the military is ready to go alround when the government 552 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: response was so overtly shady and just like on informative 553 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: you know it just it did. It allows your mind 554 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 1: to kind of run wild a little bit, especially when 555 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: you pair it with an image like that. Well, it's 556 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: also the immediate response of shooting the absolute crap of 557 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is that's overhead before confirming what it is. 558 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: You know it is that we don't know what it 559 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: is in the sky, but it's in our airspace and 560 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: we have all these weapons, so shoot that thing down. 561 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: What happens today that well, no, that's what I mean. Like, 562 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: but that's a very human thing. I think of your 563 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: encroaching on my my territory and already war Yeah, well 564 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have been there. Sorry. There's also the yeah, 565 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: the inherent distrust. Imagine when you're a kid if your 566 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: parents tell you two completely different things, right, Uh, what 567 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: happened to our dog? Oh he's at the doctor. No, 568 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: don't trust your dad. He's dead. Or at the farm. 569 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: That's that's what I heard, right, yeah at the farm. Uh, 570 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: at the dead dog farm. So with this in mind, 571 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: we want to hear your opinions. What do you think happen? 572 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: Do you have new information that you think should come 573 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: to light? Uh? Do you know someone who witnessed this, 574 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 1: maybe a maybe a parent or a grandparent or something, 575 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: and if so, what is their account of the events. 576 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: We're gonna head out now, but in the meantime, if 577 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, of course, we'd love to hear 578 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: from you, and we'd love it if you left a 579 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: review somewhere. Not only that, I want to point out 580 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: that we haven't been doing shoutout Corner quite as much lately, 581 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: and that's because we are amassing a veritable treasure trove 582 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: of shoutouts that will get their own episode. 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