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I, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:23.679 of course Am Steve as usual, joined by Hey, and 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.000 once again we have another mystery for you this week. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.920 We it's as I always do, I'm pulling for the 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.520 listeners suggestions and this was suggested by Adam and Matt originally, 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.760 and I'm sure a bunch of other people, but we 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.280 didn't have room for your name in the list. But 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.360 the story that we're going to talk about this week, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:47.160 as Joe has dubbed it, is the murders of Mary Morris. Right, Yeah, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.240 it's actually possible to murder somebody more than once. Well, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.320 it sort of sounds that way, So let's just hop 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.760 right into our mystery. Our mystery begins on Thursday, October twelve. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.919 In two thousand, forty eight year old woman named Mary 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.920 Henderson Morris got up for a normal work day at 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.440 her job at Chase Bank on the west side of Houston, Texas. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.040 Her husband j walked her out to her Chevy Ilumina 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.040 at six am, when she typically left, and he watched 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.480 her drive out of the driveway, turn onto the road, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.200 and presumably drive off to the place where she normally 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.280 stopped to get gas in the morning. Why did he 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.480 walk her to her car, because that's just something they did. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.640 It's probably you know, walk out in Some folks do that. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.280 They walk their their spouse out of their car and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.720 give them their coffee and a kiss and a hug 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.440 and then off they go. And that's what he did. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.320 Like me, who just grumpily like rolls in out of 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.040 my bed and into the car. And yeah, and your 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:51.399 boyfriend says, don't get killed exactly, So he watches her 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.400 drive away from their home in Burnett Bay. She may 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.240 have been seen at a gas station shortly after she 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.040 left her home, and that gas station was at the 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:05.400 junction of Interstate ten and Thompson Road, and there's a 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.200 bunch of gas stations right in that area. But she 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.560 from there presumably would have gone on her normal drive 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.480 heading west across the city to where her job was. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.240 She never got there. Well, the thing is is that 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.919 Mary and Jay were there very close, as we've realized 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.480 from his walking her out every morning, and they would 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.920 talk on the phone several times a day. But he 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.120 made several calls to her cell phone and she never answered, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.240 and she thought something was a little off about that. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.920 But you know, it's maybe it's a big day, busy day, whatever, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.040 Except that at about two o'clock, somebody called the house 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.360 looking for Mary, and not knowing who it was, j 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.760 just said, well, she's at work. He would later learn 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.480 that that person was actually from Chase, trying to find 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.640 out where their employee was. It seems like they would 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.040 identify themselves, though, doesn't it doesn't It seem like they 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:03.320 would say, hello, husband of our employee, this is your 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.640 wife's employee, or we are just wondering where your wife is. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.040 If it was a certain level of manager, I could 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.960 see that, if it was a certain uh employee, that 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.320 would say in charge of employees scheduling, and why hasn't 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.360 this person showed up? And I'm always calling on the 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.960 yahoos who don't show up. Maybe not so much. I 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.240 just feel I get you. I'm not not in disagreement 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:30.640 that didn't themselves. So to this person calls but doesn't 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:35.760 identify themselves. After after, I think it's about four o'clock, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.640 you know, Jay and Mary's daughter Maryland, They're getting worried 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.040 where is she? She hasn't come home. Eventually they find 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.400 her cell phone in the house, so now they're thinking, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.479 oh God, she's been in a car accident or broken down. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.080 I'm presuming it must have been I hope, you would hope. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.680 But at this point they're thinking, well, she's had something's 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.760 going wrong and she can't get ahold of us. So 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:06.720 at about five o'clock, Jay calls the police and he 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.160 reports her as missing. About that same time, there are 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.440 the Sheriff's department. They get a call about an abandoned 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.520 vehicle that's been burned. That car, which is about three 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.320 miles or that equates to about five kilometers east of 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.000 there of Mary and Jay's home, which is the opposite 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.039 direction of where she worked. Absolutely correct. She worked on 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.159 the west side of town. His car is east of 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.080 where they live. The call comes, the cops get this 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.400 call about this burned out vehicle. Well, earlier in the day, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.520 the fire department had actually got called for smoke in 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.040 that same area. The call had come in at about 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.800 ten twenty am. The fire department said it looked like 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.440 it was burning leaves. It's you know, it's October that 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.480 people are burning leaves, and they didn't bother to investigate, 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.800 but that burning leaves usually smell burning rubber. Uh well, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.920 burning leaves tend to be very smoky, I am pretty 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.000 sure is what that boils down to. But the long 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.440 and the short of it is is that the fire 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.000 department doesn't go check it out. But when the cops 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.440 go to check out this burned vehicle, what they find 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.599 is a vehicle that has apparently been soaked in some 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.279 kind of accelerant and lit on fire. And the fire 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.200 has been so intense that it has melted every piece 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.960 of rubber on the vehicle, like the tires came off 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.640 of the car. The heat was so intense inside of 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.960 the vehicle. I gotta get some of that stuff. It 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.080 must have been. But inside of the car they find 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.320 a body and they don't know who it is. But 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.599 eventually what they're able to do using tooth fragments that 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:54.839 they reconstruct, they determine that indeed, it is Mary's Body's body. Well, no, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.720 it's Mary because it's her teeth in her skull, so 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.600 they know it's her. Well, you know, somebody could have 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.880 put them there. But okay, oh you too. Cut it 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.760 out right away, and you're already doing this to just 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.880 monkeying around on things beca nope, never, I am. I 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.760 am an upstanding mystery citizen. I don't do that kind 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.320 of stuff. She's alive on an island with Dorothy, so anyway, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.800 she does not go to Dorothy Island. She is indeed 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.880 found in the car. Like I said, they don't know. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.880 They figured out, but because of the fire, they don't 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.520 know what the cause of death is. I mean, her 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:35.040 body has been burned so severely. There is nothing about 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:39.720 Mary's life though, that is an apparent motive for why 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.160 someone would want to do something like this tour. I mean, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.080 the police said the only thing they can confirm that 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.080 are missing is her purse and her wedding ring. But 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.040 could they actually confirm that the purse was missing? I am, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.200 I have I thought the same thing. I have to 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.440 guess that they would have found a pile of melted 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.440 whatever the material is in the plastics that your credit 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.360 cards and all of that stuff are made up in 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.560 your handle to yeah, that all there should have been 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.400 a pile of that detritus and there wasn't. Or debris, 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.760 not detritis, but of debris. So that's why I thought 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.320 the same thing. And now the other question crimes seeing 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.440 no gas can or anything like that was found in 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.400 or near the vehicle, not that I know of. Okay, So, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:25.800 like I said, though, is that you know we just 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.400 discussed the purse, but also her wedding ring. We'll talk 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.880 about her wedding ring more in detail later because that 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.160 is something that people point at is kind of a 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.960 seedy or nefarious thing, and we'll we'll deal with that 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.080 when the time comes. I have to tell you now, though, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.800 that the next thing that I'm going to say, which 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.320 happens a day or so after Mary's body has found, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:52.079 is always referred to as alleged. You know. The resist 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.880 is something that I cannot confirm, but I have to 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.920 share it because it's in all of the stories. And 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.600 that is that supposedly, supposedly, allegedly somebody called the Houston 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:08.839 Chronicle and they said something to the fact of they 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.880 got the wrong Mary Morris, ostensibly exactly that's what you 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.400 were looking for, it is, of course, that's always the 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.640 word now. I think it goes without saying that. Obviously, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.880 Jay and Maryland they're both devastated by Mary's death because 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.720 there's there's nothing that seems to have motivated this. It 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.839 seems very random. She didn't live any kind of crazy life. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.440 She did work for a bank, but it wasn't as 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.360 if it was a really crazy, crashed time. So after 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.640 her funeral. Maryland, her daughter, calls the Medical Examiner's office, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.080 this is on the sixteenth of October, to see about 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.840 picking up her mother's effects, at which point they told 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.960 her that the effects and the body would be available 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.440 at the same time, which freaked her out because they've 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.040 just had a funeral and she can't understand what they're 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:07.880 talking about, and so she goes down there. No, she 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:12.080 goes down the Medical Examiner's office and they show her 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.800 a body which is not her mother. Is it Mary 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:21.280 Morris though it is indeed Mary Morris. It is Mary 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.679 McGinnis Morris, So we have to Mary Morris's. Mary McGinnis 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.280 Morris is a thirty nine year old wife and mother 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.040 who also lived in the Greater Houston area. She didn't 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.560 know Mary Henderson Morris at all. The two didn't know 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.800 each other. Maybe for the sake of easiness, it might 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.680 be easier to call him Mary one and Mary too. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.640 I think I'm gonna stick with Henderson and McGinnis. Okay, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.679 it's gonna be better because one and two is easy 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.400 for me to confuse. McGuinness lived about ten miles away 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.280 from Henderson. McGinnis originally was from West Virginia, but she 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:01.840 had moved to the area to take job with Union Carbide. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.920 She was a nurse practitioner and she had taken the 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.240 position of medical director with that company, so she had 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.360 moved there for that job. Sounds like a good job. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.920 On October fifte which was a Sunday, McGinnis ran a 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.400 number of errands. Uh, you know, it's kind of a 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.880 normal Sunday. She made a couple of different stops before 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.920 she stopped off at Union Carbide to give a flu 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.000 shot to her friend Lori Gemmil and from there she 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.400 went to the Ecker drug Store where at about five 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.920 thirty at night, she called Lorie and told her she 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.880 saw someone who has given her the creeves and said 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.160 she was going to go back to the office and 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.079 log out of her computer and then head home. About 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.400 twelve minutes later, a call comes into one from McGuinness 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.040 and she is as reported, she's in a frantic state. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.600 We don't know what's said on the call. We don't 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.959 know what's heard on that call because that call has 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:04.400 never been released. But that's the last contact that anybody 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.680 can recorded contact of Mary McGinnis, And we don't know 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.440 if she logged out of her computer don't, so we 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.439 don't know if she probably didn't make it to work, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.120 but maybe I would presume her work was about a 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.280 five plus mile drive away from the Eckert if I 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.440 remember right where she where she was found was at 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.080 least a five minute or more drive from Eckerd. So 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.680 for her to have been able to get back to 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.600 work and then to that spot seems like a stretch 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.840 to think she'd ever got back to work. Yeah, or 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.640 she got back to work, logged out back to the 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.240 parking lot, then called nine one one. That doesn't really matter. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.600 I was just wondering how close, if any, she got 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.800 to work at all. I don't think that she did. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:49.600 McGinnis's husband, Mike Morris, he reported her missing that evening 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.920 when she didn't come home. He said that he tried 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.520 to call her continually but he never got any answer. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.520 And it was but it was ringing straight to voicemail. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.800 It was ringing and there would eventually you know what, Actually, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.720 I don't know that it ever actually went to voicemail. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.760 Based on some stuff we're gonna talk about in a bit, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.680 and now Mike called. He called nine one one also 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.920 to reporter missing. I believe he called the Sheriff's department. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.240 Most people don't call one to make a missing person's report, 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.840 so I imagine that he actually called the Sheriff's department directly. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.880 So at that time they were either unaware of the 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.400 nine one one called she had made or the connection. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.400 I think they were unaware of the connection between the two. Yeah, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.400 it sounds like we don't know exactly what happened from 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.080 the time that that nine one one call ended and 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.079 until the time of her death. What we do know 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:45.320 is that the next day someone spotted mcguinness's dodge in 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.559 Trepid on West Little York Street, which is near Highway 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.920 to nineties, so it's kind of a clover leaf offshoot. Yeah, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.600 you totally that the car was found. Like I said, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.960 it was less than five miles away from where the 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.800 drug store that she had talked to Laurie was at 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.400 the Chord, and when officers found her body, it was 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.280 in the car with the passengers door open. It was 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.720 apparent that she had been beaten, but the scene was 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.360 staged to look like she had committed suicide. She did 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.160 commit suicide, maybe the gun that was in her hand, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.560 the gun that was used to kill her, Whether she 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.760 did it herself for someone else did was the family's gun. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.800 It was registered to her husband, Mike, and forensic tests 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.680 would later confirm two different things, one that she had 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:43.280 been gagged and two that she had indeed been as 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.560 I said, shot with that specific gun. So they had 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.040 done ballistics to confirm that was the one that did 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.000 it and shot where in the head, like I know, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.280 the throat, between the eyes and the back of the 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.920 head she looked like. So I don't know the exact 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.320 location because that is not given away in any the reporting. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.760 But to be a parent to a stage like a suicide, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.160 it has to be either under the chin or through 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.240 the side of the temple, would be my guest, or 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.120 the mouth. Yeah, that's yeah, that's I consider that and 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.480 under the chin very similar. But yes, yeah, so those 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.600 are the those are things. But it staged to be 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.920 like a suicide. We can guess it probably wasn't in 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.080 the mouth if she was gagged, If she was gagged 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.680 and then shot and the gag was removed, yes, if 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.040 the gag was removed and then she was shot, no, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.960 all right, yeah, they stupid ordering. Yeah, so she wasn't 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.200 gag when they found her body, that right, they were 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.360 just were able to tell what from ligature marks that 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.480 she had been previously correct, they could tell. They could 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.120 tell she had been hit a number of times. That's 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.840 why it's referred to as being beaten and that she 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.640 had a gag in her mouth at some point before 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.880 her death, and the time of death was determined to 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.600 be what do not know, it's it's I'm guessing the 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:05.400 window is somewhere shortly after the one call. I mean, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.360 for all I know, all any of us know then 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.600 one call recorded the shot that killed her. I don't know, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.000 but it's I think it's always presumed that it's right 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:21.800 around the time frame that five forty time frame. Two 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.560 is the long time of the nine one one call. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.120 One would guess that there would be mention of the 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.960 shot that killed her being heard. So the thing with 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.080 the nine one one call is that the law enforcement agency, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.880 the Sheriff's Department, said it was so disturbing that they 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.960 did not want to release it and its contents to 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:50.960 the public. So I can't say two parents. Almost every 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:56.200 single place that you'll see this on, Mary Henderson Morris, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.320 like I said before, had almost nothing in her life 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.320 that could have ad to her demise in that way. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.800 Mary McGinnis Morris, however, did have a number of different 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.919 things that could have led to the scenario where she 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.920 lost her life. So let's talk about several of the 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:18.920 things in Mary McGinnis Morris's life that seemed to point 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.560 suspect at who or what may have caused her death. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.440 The first one is a gentlemine by the name of Dwayne. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.720 I'm not gonna use his last name. You can find 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.040 out on the internet if you really want, but he's 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.960 gone through a lot about this. But sometime in the 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.760 beginning of two thousand, Union Carbide Heart hired a male 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:44.080 nurse and to what degree I don't know this took place, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.760 but apparently he and McGinnis did not get along and 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.879 they clashed and it sounds like actually they were friendly 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.879 at first, but thanks kind of what south maybe yeah, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.920 you know, there there are things about her that seem 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.040 a bit prickly in time, so I could see that 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.040 how that could be, I don't know. That's the hard 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.119 part is that when it's it becomes a he said, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.000 she said scenario, you know, after events like this take place. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.879 But the long and the shortage of it is that 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.800 they they did not get along. I don't know whether 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.359 it was that he questioned her in front of other 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.840 staff or if he went around her directly to upper 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:30.280 management and questioned her ability at her job, but either 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.200 way they were not on good terms. She was not 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.280 happy with him. Mcguinnis had told people after their their 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.480 spats were going on and all of the tension, she 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:47.120 had told people that she believed that Dwayne was capable 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.720 of hurting her. Was a guy. Well, there's that. And 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.119 according to her husband Mike, it's around the time that 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.320 all of the clashes were happening that she asked him 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.760 for his un as well as lessons, and then started 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.879 carrying that gun in the car with her underneath the seat. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.840 And I was according to Jess Micer, according to so 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.399 other people knew that she was carrying the gun. This 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.280 is this thing that I don't get sometimes as people 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.160 are carrying a gun for their protection and they tell 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.359 everybody they've got the gun there. I don't tell somebody 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.200 I had a gun hit in my car, telling where 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.399 it is. Yeah. So, but but yes, people knew that 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.919 she was she was packing. She also had told people 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.760 that she was going to stop carrying the gun, but 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.840 Mike says that she never had any She never said 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.720 that to him, and he, as far as he knew, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.400 she had no intention to stop carrying that. The tension 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:52.879 between Dwayne and mcguinnis reached a climax on Friday in 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.560 two thousand when she came into her office and she 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.760 found that things were wrong. And by that, I mean, 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.520 depending on the accounting, she found some of her stuff 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.840 had been moved around and the pictures on her desk 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.960 had been turned around, or there's other accounts that basically 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.280 imply that her desk was completely and utterly destroyed and 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.520 everything was knocked around. Cool. It's kind of psycho so 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.800 to you, Yeah, well, it depends on how they're trying 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:23.320 to portray portray Dwayne, I feel. But the thing that 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.480 really gets Dwayne in trouble here is that written on 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.800 a desk calendar on another desk, which we have to 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:37.760 presume is his, are the words death to her. M Yeah, 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.280 I gotta say that. It sounds like a frame up 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.920 to me. Yes, I mean that's super psycho behavior. Well, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.080 it's not the super psycho on his part or her part, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.600 because I mean, frankly, you know, I mean, if I'm 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.119 planning on like stocking and murdering somebody. I don't write 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.119 death threats on my desk calendar at work or yeah 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.439 like that, like somebody was trying to get somebody. I 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.320 would also, but I would also mentioned I don't know 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.080 if this is the appropriate time to have the discussion 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.000 or not, but I will just say that, um, you know, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:13.080 she called her friend, who presumably also you, Dwayne, and 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.920 she said, some guy, right, she said, some guy is 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.600 giving me the creeps. Not oh crap, Dwayne is here 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.720 and he looks like a psychopath. I mean, if he 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:30.560 were actually following her, if it was him personally, one 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.760 would suspect that she would just name him. Lori has 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:38.720 said that mcguinnis told her at the on that call 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.920 from the Ecker drug store that she thought the man 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.439 she recognized him, and it's implied that he may have 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.359 been a friend of Dwayne's. So there's there's there again. 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.320 The people will keep working the connections back and back 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.240 into place. A lot of people want to believe Dwayne 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.760 did something here. There's a lot of people who want 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.440 to believe several people are guilty. Every time there are 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.320 there are people really working to pin this on certainly. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.120 I'm just gonna go ahead and say one final thought 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.639 before we move on, and that is, not only is 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.119 that an insane level of crazy for Dwayne to be 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.639 over a job to like potentially murder someone, but you 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.760 also rope in one of his friends to be like, 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.320 oh my god, I hate this woman at works so much. 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.240 I hate my boss so much that I'm going to 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.040 murder her. Why don't you Why don't you come in 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.480 on it with me? That's an even next level of insanity. Well, 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.760 that's like creating more witnesses. Yeah, and you know how 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.800 Joe feels about that, absolutely believe no witnesses there. Yeah, okay, 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.920 so okay, she finds the note we're gonna go back 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:52.520 to that to her, she freaks out. I personally think 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.160 she was trying to get a pt O day because 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.600 she gets the rest of the day off her boss. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.399 Her bosses tell her not to come in on the 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.960 next day at all. Later that day, Dwayne comes in. 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.040 He said apparently was going to come in to either 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.800 submit or to check that his time card had gone 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:16.960 in to be submitted for pay. It's at that point 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.919 that he has confronted about this whole thing with McGinnis 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.240 on the desk calendar her desk. Depending on the accountings, 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:29.600 the level of the escalation of this varies, but he 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:35.000 is confronted. He is then escorted out of the building 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:40.040 and told not to return. He's not actually fired, just 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.560 so you know, because he didn't work directly for Union Carbide. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:49.560 Apparently he worked for a contracting company and so after 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.560 a period of time he was transferred to another facility, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.840