Speaker 1: Hi, it's Maddie, host of Access Podcast. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: and I like to just congratulate new producer, see because
Speaker 1: you've booked probably the biggest guests in the history of
Speaker 1: our show, Senator Lindsey Graham's kind all right now, it's
Speaker 1: Lindsay grahams different. Lindsay Graham's with an a the host
Speaker 1: of American Tellers. I love history. If you like history
Speaker 1: and what a geek out with another person that likes history,
Speaker 1: then check this show out today. During the Second World War,
Speaker 1: the United States, the UK, and the so Union came
Speaker 1: together in a grand alliance to defeat Germany and Japan.
Speaker 1: But within two years of that piece, the West would
Speaker 1: be locked in a conflict with the Soviet Union that
Speaker 1: threatened to destroy the entire world. This was the Cold War. Now, Lindsey,
Speaker 1: can I just say that I take a lot of
Speaker 1: pride and show prep. I was an executive producer for
Speaker 1: a lot of talk shows um across the country. It's
Speaker 1: something I pride myself in. Do you know how hard
Speaker 1: it is to prep for a guest whose name is
Speaker 1: the same as a famous senator and is so like
Speaker 1: it's not a common name as well? You're you're like
Speaker 1: impossible to find information on sir. Yes, a Google and
Speaker 1: I have an arrangement that that secures my privacy. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's horrible. Uh the my s c O
Speaker 1: options are really low. Have you ever thought of just
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to change my name to Larry. No,
Speaker 1: because Larry is a horrible name. I agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Sorry, Larry's out there. I love you as listeners,
Speaker 1: but your name is not you don't hear. It's like
Speaker 1: one of those names like you just don't hear anymore.
Speaker 1: Or Barry. Nobody's saying Barry anymore either, or Harold or
Speaker 1: or Franklin or all these great old timey names names. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Maud. I love Maud anyway, Mr Graham, Uh so
Speaker 1: I'm interested to learn about you because I mean I
Speaker 1: literally went LinkedIn. I mean I found Lindsay Graham's, but
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them were you. I tried Twitter, Facebook. Uh,
Speaker 1: my producer. I yelled at her this morning because it
Speaker 1: was like, you can't find anything. Meanwhile, I didn't find
Speaker 1: anything either, so I didn't I didn't really yell at her.
Speaker 1: She's back there, but but tell me about you, because
Speaker 1: you know this podcast is for me. I'm a history
Speaker 1: like fanatic. I spend at least an hour a day
Speaker 1: reading something historical. I watched the History Channel. I studied
Speaker 1: it in college. So what is your background and you
Speaker 1: know that you know to get into this hosting this
Speaker 1: wonderful historical podcast. Um, well, my background is largely an
Speaker 1: audio that's you know how I got here. So I've
Speaker 1: owned a little recording studio. I've produced music and composed
Speaker 1: music for years and uns years, but then we got
Speaker 1: into audiobooks and and then podcasts. Uh. And that's how
Speaker 1: I met her Non from the Wondering Network. Um. They
Speaker 1: put out are my first podcast, which is a fictional
Speaker 1: show called Terms, and Terms kind of gets more to
Speaker 1: the center of this question because I have always been
Speaker 1: a historical and political creature. Those are my interests and uh,
Speaker 1: and so we created a podcast that kind of features
Speaker 1: that as a central theme. Um. I've also taught history.
Speaker 1: I was a history major before, as I was a
Speaker 1: psychology major before I was a business major. Um and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just always been a passion. And so to be
Speaker 1: able to combine my love of being a studio rat
Speaker 1: and also teaching and learning about history. It's fantastic. This podcast,
Speaker 1: like most of the podcast that I'd say, all the
Speaker 1: podcasts that Wandering puts out, it's just it's produced so well,
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel that it's part of this
Speaker 1: new wave of podcasting that is, you know, it's where
Speaker 1: podcasting is going, you know, really well produced and really informative.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a firm believer that podcasts, you know,
Speaker 1: when they're done right, they create empathy and then they
Speaker 1: they take you to a place the same place that
Speaker 1: you go when you read a book. You know that
Speaker 1: that little person the spot between you and the in
Speaker 1: the content. And and I feel like there's might be
Speaker 1: hope for the new generation because I teach it. I
Speaker 1: teach at a university, and I feel like their knowledge
Speaker 1: of history is really bad. And do you look at it,
Speaker 1: so do you look at this podcast is as a
Speaker 1: way of of of making history more accessible to uh
Speaker 1: some folks and maybe maybe a book isn't their friend. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's just a fact of the
Speaker 1: universe that that we have are a screen culture now
Speaker 1: and um that takes up time and and just also
Speaker 1: develops a different taste for for media podcasts, I think
Speaker 1: are are as you indicate a kind of a bridge
Speaker 1: to a previous more um solitary, but still very connected
Speaker 1: method of consuming information and um and developing empathy. I
Speaker 1: think it would be our number one goal you have
Speaker 1: if to understand and appreciate history. And it's certainly not
Speaker 1: dates and facts, it's it's people. You know. The enterprise
Speaker 1: here is just trying to investigate what it was like
Speaker 1: to live in this time and what it means for
Speaker 1: for you to be living in the time we're in.
Speaker 1: Uh So, if we if we can communicate empathy, I
Speaker 1: would say that that that we've done our job really well.
Speaker 1: And I would say this it also your podcast help
Speaker 1: me tap into memories. Uh I. Well, while I'm teaching,
Speaker 1: I will often make references to my college students and
Speaker 1: realize they don't know what that means. They don't know
Speaker 1: what it is to call someone and get a busy signal.
Speaker 1: They don't know what it's like to wait at home
Speaker 1: for the phone to ring, and they don't know what
Speaker 1: it was like two be deathly afraid that the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union was going to nuke our asses, and and as
Speaker 1: a kid, that was my biggest fear. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a huge fear. And I and and it's just
Speaker 1: even today, like when we talk about the nuclear threat
Speaker 1: coming from from North Korea, I kind of forget, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people forget, like that was
Speaker 1: a real fear that we all had for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely real. Um, you know one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I wanted to do the Cold War first as our
Speaker 1: first little series. Um, these are these feelings, these fears,
Speaker 1: these aspirations. Uh, they're they're largely forgotten. Um. We lived
Speaker 1: in a time that was strange and and violent and um,
Speaker 1: just on the precipice of destruction for decades and UM
Speaker 1: that's gone away, thankfully. But today's headlines you cannot you
Speaker 1: can't draw, you know, not draw a parallel between what's
Speaker 1: going on today and then and um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's almost the worst sort of nostalgia for us forty
Speaker 1: five year olds who grew up uh in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, you know, what if what if Kennedy
Speaker 1: tweeted some of the stuff that our president tweets during
Speaker 1: the Cuban missile crisis. You know, just there's all these
Speaker 1: like Wow, I look at history. But and I think, well,
Speaker 1: nobody in the past would have done these kind of things.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would have if they had access to Twitter. If if
Speaker 1: they would have, you know, made been more provocative, then
Speaker 1: then they seemed to me looking at them in history books. No, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I don't know if Kennedy would
Speaker 1: have uh, you know, tweeted. I mean I think I
Speaker 1: think he was a statesman and and and um uh
Speaker 1: and careful and certainly media savvy. So um yeah, No,
Speaker 1: well I was thinking, you know, even there's certainly some firebrands,
Speaker 1: uh you know that that probably would have left on
Speaker 1: the Twitter. I mean, can you imagine the segregation now
Speaker 1: segregation forever tweet it would have happened, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and periscoping or or or live coverage of
Speaker 1: of the Little Rock nine. Um, yeah, it would have
Speaker 1: been a completely different time. But your question brings up
Speaker 1: a central issue of the study of history. I think
Speaker 1: it's that, um, that these are people, and as as thinking, feeling,
Speaker 1: consuming living things, they haven't really changed much in the
Speaker 1: fifty years. Certainly the dressing and the circumstances and the
Speaker 1: filigree about us. But that's just history is just a
Speaker 1: bunch of people making a bunch of decisions in order.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that into in today's climate, there is
Speaker 1: enough focus on what happened in the past. And I
Speaker 1: don't like to. I think that this comparison is made
Speaker 1: way too much. And I'm not making this this this
Speaker 1: is a comparison, but when we look at you know,
Speaker 1: when we look at a president or somebody who was
Speaker 1: trying to have people dismiss the media, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you look um, you know, and I and I
Speaker 1: hate to, I hate the comparison, but I'm a big,
Speaker 1: big study or of of early you know, German history,
Speaker 1: early before you know, the thirties, before World War Two,
Speaker 1: and you do see a lot of these kind the
Speaker 1: parallels as far as what a despot does. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I would say that one of the most disappointing aspects
Speaker 1: of our modern age for me is the the way
Speaker 1: that we have turned people doing jobs into these monolithic
Speaker 1: ideas of conspiracy and um and opponents. You know, it's
Speaker 1: no longer that you're a person who voted for Obama.
Speaker 1: You're a you're a libtard, right, or it's not you
Speaker 1: didn't vote for for Bush. I mean or or or Trump.
Speaker 1: You're you're someone here horrible if you voted for Trump. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that polarization. Um. Yes, I think the rise of conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: I think the rise of our the rancor in our
Speaker 1: our discourse. It can can all be boiled down to, well,
Speaker 1: a lack of empathy for the other person. And his
Speaker 1: historical study is one way of breaking through that to
Speaker 1: to realize that, you know, I put on my pants
Speaker 1: one leg at a time, just if I'm a Republican
Speaker 1: or a Democrat, that they might be different colors. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, I haven't really watched it, but
Speaker 1: I've seen previews of Sarah Silverman's show, and you know,
Speaker 1: here's a Hollywood liberal comedian and she's doing a really
Speaker 1: good job of just showing up in places where she
Speaker 1: should not be showing up and having conversations. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think we should all do more of that. Uh.
Speaker 1: If if there's a if there's a more climate, a
Speaker 1: portion of our political climate, it's just that that we're
Speaker 1: not listening to each other. I grew up in West
Speaker 1: Virginia and I go back to visit and you know,
Speaker 1: and and you know, living in California, you know immediately
Speaker 1: you know, their rancor goes up as far as like,
Speaker 1: oh you turned into this and this and this and
Speaker 1: mine best two. When I go home, I think, well, well,
Speaker 1: what are your people doing here? What are you doing
Speaker 1: to my country? And that fades away after about ten minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, because when we start talking and it's like now,
Speaker 1: I'm still Maddie from from Romney. I'm just the same kid.
Speaker 1: Might have different political views than I used to, but
Speaker 1: you know, things are things are are the same, and
Speaker 1: I think that that dialogue is super important. There's a
Speaker 1: show that I really enjoy on on Comedy Central called
Speaker 1: Drunk History. I don't know if you're familiar with it.
Speaker 1: I do love this show because I love history and
Speaker 1: listening to drunk people tell it is really good. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that I always take away from
Speaker 1: it is, you know, here's another way of making this
Speaker 1: history accessible to folks in a different way. And and
Speaker 1: it brought up when you were talking about conspiracies. One
Speaker 1: of the episodes was about Roswell and that if you
Speaker 1: study history, you know that it was a satellite. You
Speaker 1: know it was whether you know that was you know
Speaker 1: the government admitted, Hey, yeah, we didn't want telling anybody,
Speaker 1: and we thought it would be easier. Uh. And I'm thinking, gosh,
Speaker 1: you're not. People who don't realize that, you know, who
Speaker 1: don't even know that that was you know, they never
Speaker 1: get past the conspiracy theory. It and it's so much
Speaker 1: more fun to believe a conspiracy theory than to to
Speaker 1: actually like do the homework and find out what really happened. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also psychologically more fulfilling. You know, there's there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of studies of of hy conspiracy theories and and
Speaker 1: this sort of crooked thinking exists. And I think it's
Speaker 1: just a shame because one, it's misinformation you're living. I mean,
Speaker 1: people are dedicating their lives to chasing down just an
Speaker 1: absolute fantasy when there's real, simple explanations that that you
Speaker 1: can just say, oh, okay and then and then go
Speaker 1: on with your life. Um. But to it it blocks
Speaker 1: you from from participating in any sort of further investigation
Speaker 1: of the world of facts. You lose the vocabulary of
Speaker 1: thinking that you know, um, there are basic facts of
Speaker 1: the universe that you need to discover and accept and
Speaker 1: their extrapolations. But you're not certain about those and and
Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, this this idea of of of
Speaker 1: certainty both in history and politics and and rhetoric, I
Speaker 1: think it's dangerous and um, anyways, I'm I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of stopping and thinking about the basic principles
Speaker 1: of things like would this really happen? You know, what,
Speaker 1: is it possible that forty government employees could be in
Speaker 1: on a secret? Um? No, it's it's unlikely. I was
Speaker 1: on vacation recently and I was sitting at a sushi bar.
Speaker 1: The group of people next to me were talking about
Speaker 1: how they all agreed that there was a conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: behind nine eleven. Now I was in New York on
Speaker 1: nine eleven. I lived in New York City. So my
Speaker 1: my back, I mean just I my rankled up, and
Speaker 1: I so badly wanted to just like just just educate
Speaker 1: them on how stupid they were and how dumb that was.
Speaker 1: I didn't. My wife was like, just let it go,
Speaker 1: let it go, let it go. But but it is,
Speaker 1: but it was just but it was the thing that
Speaker 1: bothered me the most was just the level of like, well, sure,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, and then they started quoting things
Speaker 1: they've seen on Twitter, and I'm like, this is real,
Speaker 1: this is a really you're really sitting here having this conversation.
Speaker 1: I was, actually I was in Sydney, Australia on that day.
Speaker 1: We woke up to a phone call, you know, told
Speaker 1: us to get up and turn on the TV, and
Speaker 1: pretty much the entire day had happened while we were asleep.
Speaker 1: And Um, I was actually flying out from Melbourne to Sydney,
Speaker 1: so it was very, very strange to be milling about
Speaker 1: as a as a an American traveling alone in Australia.
Speaker 1: The Australians were amazing, but that it happened immediately. Um,
Speaker 1: of course everyone was talking about that event, but you
Speaker 1: you could not run into people who had already developed
Speaker 1: the theory of everything on this that it was, and
Speaker 1: they were talking out loud and so assuredly about their
Speaker 1: theories on what happened. Uh me hours after you know,
Speaker 1: the towers fell. Um, and I felt the same sort
Speaker 1: of rage. I was, you know, an American abroad and
Speaker 1: uh and and deeply homesick that day. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you just I don't know how to confront that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: about history is and this is a podcast I've always
Speaker 1: wanted to do, is the what Ifs of history because
Speaker 1: as as someone you know who reads, I read a
Speaker 1: lot of books and and and you know, there are
Speaker 1: so many things that could have changed based on a
Speaker 1: couple of things, like you know, and I mean from
Speaker 1: big things like what if Hitler had not gone into
Speaker 1: Russian what if Hitler had pressed on Dunkirk? And what
Speaker 1: if what if the British had not come up with radar? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all these like little things that especially like
Speaker 1: technology wise, that that changed like World War Two. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm think people realize how many things that technology wise
Speaker 1: change the course of that war more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Do you have these what ifs that that you like
Speaker 1: to think about? And is that something that that you
Speaker 1: also you know, spend your time with it at all? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think about the what ifs, um
Speaker 1: mainly because there's just so damn many of them. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like we we can we can butterfly theory
Speaker 1: ourselves into an fantastic fictional world. Um, but it's it's
Speaker 1: the case that one single person uttering one sentence differently
Speaker 1: in one moment, and the entire world as we know
Speaker 1: it would have changed. Um, I don't. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: who it's fun to speculate, but um, but I don't
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time doing it because, um, I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start and and there's so much
Speaker 1: they're already to to learn from. Um So, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think speculative fiction is is just entertain hating to
Speaker 1: think about the mechanics of of these small changes at
Speaker 1: snowball into uh, you know, an avalanche of history. What
Speaker 1: is your favorite genre of history to to study and
Speaker 1: to read up? I mean, I I kind of change
Speaker 1: around a lot. I've been I've recently got into the
Speaker 1: Hundred Years War and I'm like really into that right now.
Speaker 1: But what is your I bounced around two? I've you know,
Speaker 1: I've had a deep fondness for for European history when
Speaker 1: I was younger, and uh, and then Russian history and
Speaker 1: in college. Um. I got to tell you though, um,
Speaker 1: and and this is really because of the recency effect.
Speaker 1: I've I just finished another podcast project that I hope
Speaker 1: to release in the spring. But uh, the the reconstruction
Speaker 1: period in America and the immediate aftermath of Abraham Lincoln's
Speaker 1: death is fascinating. It put every American value to the test.
Speaker 1: You know, this country was just wrung out, and um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm astounded that we recovered. I'm saddened that that
Speaker 1: many things took as long as they did. But wow,
Speaker 1: what a what a fascinating period of history. UM. I
Speaker 1: don't really give much care to to study the Civil
Speaker 1: War itself, you know, this battle and that battle and um,
Speaker 1: you know, but but the politics and the humanity that
Speaker 1: happened because of it. Uh, it's just just fascinating me.
Speaker 1: You know, as somebody who's forty four, I am just
Speaker 1: now coming to grips with I was given an education
Speaker 1: in the Civil War that Uh, that's stuck with me
Speaker 1: until recently, you know, because I grew up in my
Speaker 1: hometown switched hands fifty six times during the war, and
Speaker 1: we had the first Civil War monument was in my hometown, uh,
Speaker 1: and it aunted it. It says the War for States Rights,
Speaker 1: and I remember hearing that, and the War of Northern
Speaker 1: Aggression and all kinds of things growing up, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: slavery was never part of the education that I got
Speaker 1: about the war. It was always about Southern independence. And
Speaker 1: then the same thing with the Civil War monuments. What
Speaker 1: made me think of that was a Civil War monument
Speaker 1: issue because you know, I just grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling like, of course, we have to idolize these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, they were great generals. And then and then
Speaker 1: when I found out more about like why they were
Speaker 1: put up and when they were put up these monuments,
Speaker 1: and then I, you know, I start to question back, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've got things ingrained from in me,
Speaker 1: from from childhood. And I think it's probably the same way,
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of til back towards you know,
Speaker 1: the topic of of the Cold War that you know,
Speaker 1: I think as middle aged adults now coping with growing
Speaker 1: up in that time, you know, we have maybe some
Speaker 1: ideals and beliefs that were so ingrained in us that
Speaker 1: that we're just maybe haven't figured out yet. Well. I
Speaker 1: think that's the case for every generation. I mean, why
Speaker 1: why does every generation, as as it ages, bemoan the
Speaker 1: next one? Oh these youngsters? You know, It's because there's
Speaker 1: a set of values that you've grown up with and
Speaker 1: you carry with you and they change. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: I I think the debate of Civil War monuments, uh
Speaker 1: is a real interesting one because if you unpacket, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's questions of free speech, there's questions of history.
Speaker 1: There's questions of heritage that that I don't think shouldn't
Speaker 1: be cast aside, uh lightly. There's also questions of of
Speaker 1: of what it means to be insulted or or patronized
Speaker 1: as a as an individual or or even a social group.
Speaker 1: Um and in in order to come to to a conclusion,
Speaker 1: I think any any person who who says, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling about this hasn't done enough thinking,
Speaker 1: because it's a deep and complicated issue, just like the
Speaker 1: Civil War itself, uh and it was rooted in times
Speaker 1: well before us, and we're just you know, swimming downstream
Speaker 1: of history. What were three a couple of things that
Speaker 1: really struck in you that you didn't know before you
Speaker 1: did this series on the Cold War? Because it's fascinating,
Speaker 1: and I think the thing I like the most about
Speaker 1: the podcast is what you kind of said earlier is
Speaker 1: that you put people into the life of someone you know.
Speaker 1: Imagine that you're, uh, you know, a professor, and you
Speaker 1: know you've signed this one petition and I was listening,
Speaker 1: I was I was driving into work, I was listening
Speaker 1: uh to the podcast and and and it is it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh gosh, I never thought of that. You know,
Speaker 1: like you sign one petition, you could be you know,
Speaker 1: you've got you got ostracized. I mean it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are some typic waits you had in
Speaker 1: doing the research for it? Well, you know this the
Speaker 1: newest episode is is about um literally the fallout of
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons testing. And it was largely instructive to me.
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew much about the science and
Speaker 1: the politics, uh and the messaging behind America's nuclear efforts
Speaker 1: after you know, during the Cold War, you know, I
Speaker 1: knew about nuclear weapons and the the arms limitation treaties, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And you know, certainly all the summits that that our
Speaker 1: leaders went to. But UM, I had no idea the
Speaker 1: the the health and environmental damage we were inflicting on
Speaker 1: ourselves and others, and how potent these weapons are in
Speaker 1: terms of their fallout. You know, I remember being frightened
Speaker 1: of radiation, but I never knew what it could do,
Speaker 1: um until until you know that this this series, and
Speaker 1: and you know, it was so concerning for Americans of
Speaker 1: of a certain stripe that that housewives and pediatricians got
Speaker 1: together and started asking for volunteers to donate their children's
Speaker 1: baby teeth so that those teeth could be ground up
Speaker 1: and searched for radioisotopes. And and they found out it's
Speaker 1: like yep, uh, there's a there's a lot of radiation
Speaker 1: in America. UM. And you know, of course, the the
Speaker 1: the government agencies at the time have have their own
Speaker 1: arching orders to not only compete with the Soviets and
Speaker 1: in a nasty geopolitical war, but um, but to address
Speaker 1: this new technology and get a handle on it. And
Speaker 1: the different factions are very similar to today. Uh. You
Speaker 1: can have you had big, big atom, and we might
Speaker 1: have big oil today. You know, the people have been
Speaker 1: fighting for for what they feel is right for forever
Speaker 1: and uh. But I had no idea that that radiation
Speaker 1: was was such a thing. Um. And I honestly I
Speaker 1: would have been scared to death if I put my
Speaker 1: daughter's baby tooth in an envelope to ship off to
Speaker 1: to some testing laboratory. Um. It would I'd be very
Speaker 1: frightened of the world if if I was living in
Speaker 1: that time, I have a silver cup that my my
Speaker 1: dad is an air Force was an Air Force pilot
Speaker 1: and tow in the fifties, and he has a silver
Speaker 1: cup with a nuclear um you know, mushroom cloud on it,
Speaker 1: with his name on it and the date in an
Speaker 1: island because he was working on it, I guess you
Speaker 1: know he was. He was, he was helicopter pilot and
Speaker 1: running support for this and just and just I always
Speaker 1: looked at that and go look at the pride that
Speaker 1: they had in this explosion. You know, this is this
Speaker 1: thing that they put it on a silver cup and
Speaker 1: gave it to him as a memento. Yeah. Another thing,
Speaker 1: another thing I learned was, you know, within just less
Speaker 1: than six months of of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you know,
Speaker 1: in the American marketing uh, non American government but American
Speaker 1: private marketing firms, just Win Adam mad you could find
Speaker 1: you know, the symbol of the atom or a mushroom
Speaker 1: cloud on anything you wanted, you know, get get your
Speaker 1: wife a nice crystal mushroom cloud brooch. Um. It was.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. Um. You know, the you would think
Speaker 1: that such horror would uh give us more than a
Speaker 1: few months pause. This is fast. I think we could
Speaker 1: do an hour talking about the history with you. For
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I do want to. You know,
Speaker 1: we as we wrap up, we do a little segment
Speaker 1: on the show called three Killer Questions. So I have
Speaker 1: three questions for you. Lindsey Graham, not that Lindsey Graham. No,
Speaker 1: Lindsey impossible to find online Graham. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Oh so that's the difference. Yeah, that's the only difference
Speaker 1: between he and and it still wants to auto correct
Speaker 1: it on Google. Um so here here's the question. So
Speaker 1: the first the first question I have for you is
Speaker 1: if you could listen to a podcast featuring anyone from history,
Speaker 1: whose podcast would you want to listen to? What a
Speaker 1: good question? Um My, my first immediate thought would be
Speaker 1: Mark Twain, how entertaining? I mean he he has to have, uh,
Speaker 1: just a hell of a show and would know how
Speaker 1: to use the medium. Yeah that's great. Yeah, that's a good,
Speaker 1: good answer for that. This question. I'm asking this because
Speaker 1: I asked this question to my staff one day and
Speaker 1: the answer that they gave me surprise me. But I'll
Speaker 1: ask you right now, do you know what Dolly Madison's
Speaker 1: favorite ice cream was? No? I do not. I would
Speaker 1: be guessing what is Dolly Madison's favorite ice cream. It's oyster.
Speaker 1: It was oyster ice cream. That's well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I found that out. And I came into work one
Speaker 1: day and I have a staff of twenty year olds
Speaker 1: and a lot of them were my students, and when
Speaker 1: they graduated, hire them to come over to iHeart and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, do you guys know? And here's the
Speaker 1: answer I got. Who's Dolly Madison or do you mean
Speaker 1: Dolly Madison the porn star? Not one of them knew
Speaker 1: Dolly Madison was. And I'm just I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: producer right now. I'm you did not know whatever my
Speaker 1: producers claiming she knew, now you did? None of them knew? Anyway,
Speaker 1: there you go. Um. And then the last question, real simple, Lindsey,
Speaker 1: was the last podcast that that you binged? That I binged? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I I probably was Steal the Stars. I
Speaker 1: I an audio drama and uh, really well done by
Speaker 1: I was about to say a close friend I've Twitter
Speaker 1: friend of mine, Mac Rogers, he wrote it, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was it was good. I you know, I like seeing
Speaker 1: where the state of the art is in terms of
Speaker 1: podcast audio dramas because I think there's a you know,
Speaker 1: very broad horizon for for that medium. I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, we're we we haven't even scratched the
Speaker 1: surface of the kinds of podcasts that will be coming
Speaker 1: out in the future. You know that, you know, there
Speaker 1: are so many different ways we can go with this,
Speaker 1: and it's so exciting. Yeah, I I agree. I think
Speaker 1: we probably have enough two dudes talking podcasts, So I'm
Speaker 1: glad this one's coming to an end. But uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited that that that that this this is a
Speaker 1: such a vibrant medium. Can I tell you the term
Speaker 1: I use in my class when I when I teach,
Speaker 1: I tell the days of two guys sitting around telling
Speaker 1: dick jokes is over, because that was the podcasting for
Speaker 1: a long time. It sure was. Well, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you came and did this two guys talking podcast, lindsay.
Speaker 1: It's great and I don't want to overstress this. I
Speaker 1: feel like these are important podcasts, these podcasts that that
Speaker 1: teach as well as entertain and and again tap into
Speaker 1: that that that psyche, that that's you know that reading
Speaker 1: the book Psyche is super important and you do a
Speaker 1: wonderful job. I I can't tell you how how great
Speaker 1: I think the podcast is produced and sounds in the
Speaker 1: info is just it's solid, dude. Good job. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, and big props to my team at
Speaker 1: Wondering Who who really make this possible. Uh, I'm just
Speaker 1: tickled to be doing this. Thanks Lindsey, thank you. All Right, see,
Speaker 1: I think he I think that you will soon hear
Speaker 1: a podcast featuring Lindsey Graham and myself talking about historical
Speaker 1: moments that could have an almost happen. I think that's
Speaker 1: in the works. I think it could happen. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great idea. I thought his enthusiasm for it
Speaker 1: was a little low though, but I think he's on board.
Speaker 1: I hope so, because I I have tons of time
Speaker 1: to do like another podcast, because I'm not doing fifty already.
Speaker 1: But there you go. That was fun and I love history.
Speaker 1: I love history podcast. There are a lot of great
Speaker 1: history podcasts out there, and I'm anxious to see which
Speaker 1: ones you producer Ze have picked out for us to
Speaker 1: talk about. All right, Well, the first is from a
Speaker 1: network we really love. It's from how Stuff Works and
Speaker 1: their show is stuff you missed in History class. I
Speaker 1: love this podcast. Um, I have not always loved the hosts.
Speaker 1: They've switched host a couple of times, and I like
Speaker 1: the current batch of hosts very much. Um, but this
Speaker 1: is this is definitely for the folks that like that
Speaker 1: slice of history that is not common knowledge exactly. It's
Speaker 1: just a little out of the blue, something you never expected.
Speaker 1: It's nice, all right, let's check it out. The reason
Speaker 1: that I have always wanted to cover the Lumier brothers
Speaker 1: is that they were really prolific inventors, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the innovations in developing motion pictures, for
Speaker 1: which they are most well known. I think if you
Speaker 1: ask most people, they can tell you that they were
Speaker 1: involved in early motion pictures. That is definitely in my
Speaker 1: queue already. So what's another one we got? This is
Speaker 1: from the BBC Across and it is called Witness and
Speaker 1: the description of it is history as told by the
Speaker 1: people who were there, which I think is super interesting.
Speaker 1: To find people from the places that they're talking about,
Speaker 1: so it's like the first iPhone, Eisenhower's Farewell Address, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So they find people that were living in
Speaker 1: those moments and get them on the podcast. I'm anxious
Speaker 1: to hear it. Let's check it out. We were taking
Speaker 1: over men's jobs for them to be released for the army.
Speaker 1: The women were on everything. The men all went show
Speaker 1: that around the railways and your nationals and land um
Speaker 1: and post. So we knew that we had to do
Speaker 1: those jobs. Once the men went, nobody else to do them.
Speaker 1: Everything sounds better with a British acts absolutely. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Victoria on Public on PBS. Very good. Really,
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, if you liked Um down Abbey,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of it kind of feels that void
Speaker 1: a bit. Is it fictional, No, it's it's historical, but
Speaker 1: I mean there's fictional characters added to it. But it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting. Plus, I just I just love hearing anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't know if any British person, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's my that's that's like my wife's thing. She'll just
Speaker 1: walk around hour to go like a Mary Poppins thing.
Speaker 1: I think we got it from the good place. I
Speaker 1: think that was a yeah, I think that was an impression. Anyway,
Speaker 1: too much TV talk, All right, one more? What do
Speaker 1: you got? So this is the way I heard it
Speaker 1: with Micro my friend really yeah, Mike and I have
Speaker 1: known each other for many years. When I moved to
Speaker 1: San Francisco. This is a funny story. When I moved
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, I took over a morning show that
Speaker 1: needed another co host, and and he's from here. He
Speaker 1: was here, and they were actually just trying to They
Speaker 1: were pitching Mike to come on our show just just
Speaker 1: to plug something. And I was like, I'm only having
Speaker 1: people on the show right now to try out his
Speaker 1: co host and if he's not interested in that, then
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna booking. Well, uh, you know. A few
Speaker 1: weeks later, Mike, Mike and I I don't know, we
Speaker 1: meet somewhere. We end up becoming buddies, and we we
Speaker 1: go out and have beers after work because he worked
Speaker 1: at CBS and worked in the same thing. But his
Speaker 1: producer kept telling the story of how I refused to
Speaker 1: book Mike Rowe on on the and like like got
Speaker 1: like like this whole thing about this new guy from
Speaker 1: New York's a real asshole. I won't book anybody, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to have microw on. And meanwhile I
Speaker 1: was like Mike and her like, yeah, Mike can come
Speaker 1: on any time, it's just not not during that time period.
Speaker 1: But he's he is. Everything you see Mike Row on
Speaker 1: TV is Mike Row in person. I feel so attracted
Speaker 1: to the work that he does because I feel like
Speaker 1: he's so genuine about everything that he puts out. He is.
Speaker 1: I cannot stress that enough to anybody, that that Micro
Speaker 1: is Micro. That's the guy you see all the time.
Speaker 1: Of course, now that he's all big and famous, I
Speaker 1: don't seem very often. Uh and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't drink anymore, so I don't go to the
Speaker 1: same He's still he'll still like pop up at the
Speaker 1: pub that we used to go to. But um, but
Speaker 1: I know, like if I need something, I can hit
Speaker 1: him up. He's a great guy and he's very smart,
Speaker 1: and his podcast is really great. It ranges from a
Speaker 1: lot of things, by history is one of the main things.
Speaker 1: And he also has a great voice, and he's he's
Speaker 1: wicked smart with a great voice. God damn it, Micro,
Speaker 1: I want to be you. Let's check it out. A
Speaker 1: tradition that began with a missprint in a Sears advertisement
Speaker 1: over sixty years ago. An advertisement that invited children to
Speaker 1: call Santa Claus on a number that rang a red
Speaker 1: telephone on the desk of a colonel named Harry Shoup,
Speaker 1: a colonel who back in spent much of his time.
Speaker 1: I'm at work staring at the map on a large
Speaker 1: plexiglass panel, specifically at the North Pole, where the nuclear
Speaker 1: warheads from Russia would first appear on their way towards America. God,
Speaker 1: he's good. He's so good. And I remember when I started,
Speaker 1: when we started Stitcher, I remember trying to talk to
Speaker 1: Mike about a podcast because I just thought he was
Speaker 1: perfect for a podcast. And that's right, good, of course,
Speaker 1: that was right, dude. I'm right about everything podcast related, basically. Folks.
Speaker 1: If you want to know everything about everything, follow me
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Speaker 1: U d T. That's that's how you do it, and
Speaker 1: that's how you get smart. Okay, alright, you're lucky to
Speaker 1: work with me. You you're so lucky. Give me my headphoons. Anyway, Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to access podcast. Did I get it right?
Speaker 1: I did? I think the British accent. I can only
Speaker 1: do it when I'm doing old timey woman British accent.
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Speaker 1: There you go, folks, check it out. Ze You're the best.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, appreciate it all Right Next week
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a couple of radio folks on we are.
Speaker 1: They're exciting, they're fun, Carla, Marie and Anthony. They're young,
Speaker 1: they're pretty. They're way too pretty for radio. But we'll
Speaker 1: talk to him next week. See you