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Speaker 2: This is Josh Paid and this is the Late Kick

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Speaker 2: Extra Podcast. As always a pleasure to be joined by

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Speaker 2: you guys. You have submitted a number of questions, to

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Speaker 2: say the very least, and the format here is very simple.

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Speaker 2: podcast review and the like, and so we set aside

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Speaker 2: and this is the Late Kick Extra podcast. It's just

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Speaker 2: maybe even platinum. So without further ado, let's get started

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Speaker 2: this week, and we're gonna kick it off with a

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Speaker 2: really good one from mcchs b Ball thirteen in the

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Speaker 2: podcast review. If you completely ignored current rosters and recent

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Speaker 2: how would you rank the jobs in the SEC? This

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Speaker 2: static environment. This list can move around, it can be

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Speaker 2: he's asking one to fourteen, how do you rank the jobs?

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Speaker 2: Not the tradition, not the trophy case, but the job.

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Speaker 2: If you're a coach, if you're a high level coach,

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Speaker 2: I care that the athletic department and the fan base

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Speaker 2: is fully invested. I care that I have plentiful financial resources,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have an established brand and tradition too.

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Speaker 2: This has been the most underachieving program relative to what

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Speaker 2: What do you think the outcomes of Georgia versus Bama,

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Speaker 2: With Georgia, Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State all possibly replacing

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Speaker 2: the most underrated movie ever is? Field of Dreams is

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Speaker 2: guys like Steven A.

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Speaker 1: Smith.

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Speaker 2: You know, it had a bunch of guys from ESPN,

435
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Speaker 2: had guys from like CBS Sports, had guys from Fox, Sports.

436
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Speaker 2: And then it was me, and I say us, because

437
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: it's not an operation that I built. Me and you know,

438
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 2: people alongside me built the operation, but us. It was

439
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: US and ESPN and CBS Sports, And it was like.

440
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Speaker 1: What is happening?

441
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: We had just put together this independent YouTube channel and

442
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: there we are right an LSU's game day video along

443
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: with all the big boys that you've seen and followed

444
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: for years. So that was awesome, and that curried favor

445
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: with me, and you know, made me respect those guys

446
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: on a whole different level for obvious reasons.

447
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: But I remember, you know, when Oakland.

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Speaker 2: I grew up an Atlanta Braves fan, but I always

449
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: kind of liked the Oakland A's too because back then,

450
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Speaker 2: and by back then, I mean in the early two thousands,

451
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Speaker 2: Tim Hudson, who had grown up local to where I

452
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: came from, he was playing in Oakland and they had

453
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Speaker 2: Molder and they had Barry Zito and they had no budget,

454
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Speaker 2: and so I really respected what they were doing out there.

455
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Speaker 2: But I remember when the whole Moneyball thing, long before

456
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Speaker 2: the movie, when Moneyball was implemented in Oakland, everyone kind

457
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: of laughed at it, and then all of a sudden,

458
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: everyone adopts it. And I remember last year when LSU

459
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: started putting out those videos. They weren't the first graphics

460
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: or video editing department do ever put out videos like that.

461
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Speaker 2: I mean, recruiting departments have been doing that for a while,

462
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Speaker 2: but none of them had done it to the degree

463
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Speaker 2: that LSU had, And so at first people kind of say, oh,

464
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: that's nice whatever, But really it's just kind of this

465
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: defense mechanism because they didn't think of it first. Well,

466
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: LSU got everyone's attention last year on the field, but

467
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Speaker 2: that was.

468
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Speaker 1: The beauty to me.

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Speaker 2: The beauty was the entire program reflected this ascendance to greatness,

470
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Speaker 2: and that included their video and graphics department. The video

471
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Speaker 2: and graphics department did end the world what the football

472
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Speaker 2: team did in their world, and that is what culture

473
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Speaker 2: is all about. You may not think it matters, but

474
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Speaker 2: consider this, If even one more elite recruit sees one

475
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Speaker 2: of those videos and is influenced by it, you have

476
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Speaker 2: warranted the entire budget for that department. That one kid

477
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: could end up becoming Jamar Chase like that one kid

478
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Speaker 2: could be Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: So think about that.

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Speaker 2: Don't even think for a second about what it does

481
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Speaker 2: for the branding. I mean, that's awesome too, and it

482
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Speaker 2: gets get your fan base involved. It may draw in

483
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Speaker 2: neutral observers that are on the fence about.

484
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Speaker 1: Who do I root for. You may build your.

485
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Speaker 2: Fan base that way and don't think for a second.

486
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Speaker 2: Bandwagon fans don't matter. Don't think for a second. Sidewalk

487
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: fans don't matter. They do, they very much do. So. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I followed that all year

489
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Speaker 2: long last year. Next up, Matthew on Twitter. I know

490
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Speaker 2: you don't like playoff expansion, and neither do I, but

491
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Speaker 2: it's likely to come. I know you don't like auto

492
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Speaker 2: bids for conference champs, but would you be in favor

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Speaker 2: of the top four seeds hosting quarterfinal games. What would

494
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Speaker 2: your ideal eight team playoff format look like? Yes, Matthew,

495
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Speaker 2: you're right on all accounts. I don't support expansion, and

496
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Speaker 2: even if expansion happens, I doubly don't support auto bids

497
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Speaker 2: of any kind. No auto bids for conference champs, no

498
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Speaker 2: auto bid for the G five. My ideal format is

499
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Speaker 2: take the top eight teams at the end of the year,

500
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Speaker 2: put them in the playoff the day after conference championship

501
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Speaker 2: Saturday concludes for the purposes of the college football playoff,

502
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Speaker 2: conferences don't even exist anymore. You have one hundred and

503
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Speaker 2: thirty teams or whatever the number is that given year

504
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: you take the best eight. Yes, I would have quarterfinal

505
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Speaker 2: games on home sites. That would be my ideal setup

506
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Speaker 2: if you are dragging me into the world of an

507
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Speaker 2: expanded college football playoff. We'll take a quick break here.

508
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Speaker 2: When we come back, David asks the question that so

509
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Speaker 2: many have asked before, or what program is my very

510
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: favorite to talk about and why? And we're back and

511
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: here comes David from the Twitter DM. What is your

512
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Speaker 2: favorite program to talk about and why do you like

513
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: that program so much? David, I gave you a few

514
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Speaker 2: because it just would not be smart business for me

515
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: to only give you one. I was just talking about LSU.

516
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: I love talking about LSU because I think I have

517
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Speaker 2: a very firm grasp on the subculture of Louisiana, a

518
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Speaker 2: lot more than maybe people one thousand miles to the

519
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Speaker 2: northeast of them and two thousand miles to the west

520
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Speaker 2: of them. And I'm talking about major national media hubs.

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Speaker 2: You've got people that have never even so much as

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Speaker 2: breathed a breath of Louisiana air trying to talk about

523
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Speaker 2: the culture of Louisiana. Well, they don't have a clue

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Speaker 2: about Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: I do. I've been there.

526
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Speaker 2: I talk to people from Louisiana all the time. I

527
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Speaker 2: understand why ed Orzeron meant so much to them last year.

528
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: I understand, and I was talking about this this time

529
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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: I understood that.

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Speaker 2: All these little digs that people were taking at ed Orzeran,

532
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Speaker 2: they were using it to their advantage.

533
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Speaker 1: Like ed Orzeron harnessed.

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Speaker 2: The idea that people thought he was a moron. Ed

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Speaker 2: Orzeron harnessed the power of the culture of Louisiana, and

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Speaker 2: he used people's misconception of him being a moron against

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Speaker 2: them because he did. Like Dabo Sweny's done successfully, Dabo

538
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: understood and understands that people had this concept of him

539
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: that wasn't.

540
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Speaker 1: Really him, but yet he could use it to his advantage.

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Speaker 2: You know, everyone thought Dabo was this kind of awe shucks,

542
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: might as well not even have a headset on figurehead

543
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: kind of just kicked can down the road, howdy duty

544
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: and he's an alpha competitor in real life. But hey,

545
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: as long as someone wants to paint you like that,

546
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: they have lower expectations for you, and they hold you

547
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: to a lower standard, and so you never get criticized.

548
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: Well or Jeron figured out, Hey, I'm not an idiot.

549
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: No idiot ever gets the head coaching job at Louisiana

550
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: State University. But if these people want to joke around

551
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: about the way I talk and want to joke around

552
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: about what my record at Old Miss was, more power

553
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: to them. I'm not going to correct them. I'm just

554
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: gonna go win a national championship. So that was fun

555
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: to watch last year. And I got that the whole time,

556
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Like I understood what was happening.

557
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: They didn't.

558
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: National guys didn't understand the joke was on them. With LSU,

559
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: so I loved talking Louisiana for that reason. In LSU

560
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: for that reason, I loved talking about Alabama. I grew

561
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: up idolizing the big head coaches, the ones that I

562
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: was too young to have seen in person. Paul Bear

563
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Bryant was one of those. And it's not lost on me.

564
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: Did I actually not only get to watch, but get

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Speaker 2: to cover and talk to Nick Saban, who is our

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00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: generation's version of a guy like Bear Bryant ironically at

567
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: the same school, and love the tradition of Alabama. I

568
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: love talking about Georgia because I grew up in Georgia,

569
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: so most of my buddies were Georgia fans. I love

570
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: talking about Auburn because I grew up the closest geographically.

571
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: I grew up the closest to Auburn of any major program,

572
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Speaker 2: and I've seen the ebbs and flows, sometimes in the

573
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Speaker 2: same calendar year from that program. I love talking Notre

574
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: Dame because I love the pageantry of college football. I'd

575
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: openly root for Notre Dame to be great, openly root

576
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: for him. Those are some programs that is certainly not

577
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: an exhaustive list, because to be honest with you, I

578
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: mean I love talking about any program that you are

579
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Speaker 2: interested in. And I mean that I love talking about

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Speaker 2: any program you're interested in. A lot of times we'll

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Speaker 2: get comments. It's always it ceases to amaze me, never

582
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: ceases to amaze me. Rather, we'll get comments all the time, Hey,

583
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: why don't you talk about so and so? And yet

584
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: I extend the invitation to you guys every podcast. Notice

585
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: what we're doing here, this podcast is one hundred percent

586
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: me answering your questions. I haven't come up with a

587
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: single one of these topics. I talk about what you

588
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: want to talk about.

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00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: That's it.

590
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: That's the entire format. It's virtually fool proof. And so

591
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: the complaints about me not talking about something should be

592
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: redirected to asking me a question about what it is

593
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: you want to talk about. Well, I say that because

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm interested in and love talking about the programs that

595
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: you're interested in. If you guys all of a sudden

596
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: developed this fascination with North Dakota State, we would talk

597
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: about them ad nauseum. Actually just interviewed Matt Entz from

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00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: North Dakota State yesterday. That's actually an interview that's being

599
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: released later this morning. If you're listening Wednesday or beyond,

600
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: it's already available on the twenty four seven Sports YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Go check that out.

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00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: By the way, Harry on Twitter, could Memphis ever join

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Speaker 2: a Power five conference? Say they joined the SEC, their

604
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: basketball program could easily compete. Could it happen? That's Harry, Harry.

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00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Anything could happen. But let me ask you this, there

606
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: are two different ways that this potentially could go down.

607
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: It could be that a conference like the SEC is

608
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: looking to add to its portfolio. If that's the case,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Memphis has a shot there. Number one,

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00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: cause I don't think Old miss or Tennessee would be

611
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: on board, to say the least. And number two, you

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00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: got to ask yourself this fundamental question, what do you

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: have to offer the SEC that they don't already have.

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00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: You may say basketball. Listen, the SEC thinks they're just

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: fine in the world of basketball.

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Speaker 1: Now. I think one of the benefits of this flood

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Speaker 1: of TV.

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Speaker 2: Money that's happened over the last decade less than a

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Speaker 2: decade actually still pretty new conceptually. I knew as soon

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Speaker 2: as that happened they couldn't spend all this money on

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Speaker 2: football if they tried. And so there's a funny thing

622
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: when you don't pay players. I'm not taking a stance

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Speaker 2: on this one way or the other, but when you

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: don't pay your players and you're making all this revenue,

625
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: it does not behoove you to sit on that cash.

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Speaker 1: Think about how terrible that looks.

627
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: If you have tens of millions of just sitting in

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Speaker 2: the bank every year, every fiscal year you're finishing with

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00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, seven, eight, nine figure surpluses depending on if

630
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: you count the sense or not, and your players aren't

631
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: being paid, and so they got to spend the money.

632
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Got to spend the money. And I knew when when

633
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: those TV deals were signed and you saw what programs

634
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: were gonna get per year, they got to spend it.

635
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: And I realized, you know what the SEC is about

636
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: to collectively do. Outside of Lexington and Lexington and Vanderbilt

637
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: and Florida, they're about to look around and say, hey,

638
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: let's just kind of take basketball more serious.

639
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: And they have.

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00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of investment to upgrading facilities across

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Speaker 2: the conference. There's been a lot of investment to landing

642
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: big coaches across the conference. And now you look a

643
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: few years later, you could argue at any given time

644
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: in the past couple of years, there were times where

645
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: you could argue the SEC collectively was playing the best

646
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: basketball in the country. This is not a college basketball

647
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: podcast by any stretch, but you think about Memphis and

648
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: maybe a generation ago, so it would have been more

649
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: prudent to say, oh, Memphis would be one of the

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Speaker 2: best basketball programs in the SEC. Well, they still would

651
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: be very good, but it's not something the SEC looks

652
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: at and says we need that anymore. The second way,

653
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: and this is the more likely for Memphis to have

654
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: a shot, is if you see this sudden shift towards expanding.

655
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: And one of the models model I happen to buy

656
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: into is seeing conferences go to sixteen teams, where you

657
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: just have four kind of super.

658
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: Conferences quote unquote.

659
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: I think that maybe if you had a conference and

660
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: it's probably not the SEC, but if you had a

661
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: conference like say the Big twelve or the ACC and

662
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: they're just in a situation where we got to add

663
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: a couple of more teams, it's probably not the way

664
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: it goes.

665
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: But if it did go that way, that would be

666
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: the shot.

667
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: That Memphis has, or Cincinnati or Central Florida. That's probably

668
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: the way that they get tacked on Austin on Twitter.

669
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: It's obvious the SEC West is the more dominant side

670
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: of the SEC besides Georgia. If you could rearrange the

671
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: SEC and move teams around, how would you do it

672
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: and how would you make things equally talented? I wouldn't

673
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: move a thing, Austin. I think that's very cyclical. You know,

674
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: if you were to sit here in the nineties, the

675
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: biggest rivalry in this conference was Florida versus Tennessee for

676
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: a long time. Georgia has obviously proven that they can

677
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: be an elite program, but there have been times in

678
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: recent history where Tennessee has been an elite program. There

679
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: have been times in a recent history where Florida has

680
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: been an elite program. South Carolina we are less than

681
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: a decade removed from them putting up back to back

682
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: to back double digit win seasons. There are programs over

683
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: there that have proven that they can matter nationally, just

684
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: as in the West. Alabama's proven that, Auburn's proven that,

685
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: LSU has proven that A and M. If they haven't

686
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: proven it to you, trust me, they're certainly capable of it.

687
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty evenly balanced right now in terms

688
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: of potential. It just so happens that the Seesaw may

689
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: be tilted west of the Chattahoochee River a little bit

690
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: right now. I don't think that's something that lasts in

691
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: twenty to thirty year increments, so I wouldn't change a thing.

692
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Next up, David on Twitter. Being born and raised in

693
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: West Virginia, it amazes me how many great coaches have

694
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: come from such a small state, Fielding Yost, Lou Holtz,

695
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: John McKay, Rich Rodriguez, Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban, and more.

696
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: My question is, doesn't make the state of West Virginia

697
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: the pound for pound champion on producing head coaching talent.

698
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: Always love the Show Go Mountaineers, David, I've always believed

699
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: this Ohio certainly has a claim as well. But think

700
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: about this, and there's this triangle. You guys from West

701
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: Virginia know what I'm talking about. There's this triangle even

702
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: within the state. I don't know how many square miles

703
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: it would consist of, but it's not a whole lot.

704
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Who are the coaches I.

705
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: Know Fielding Yost is from Fairview, John McKay is from

706
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: It's either Evonton or Everettsville. I think I should have

707
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: looked this up. Nick Saban's from Worthington, and Jimbo Fishers

708
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: from Clarksburg. And if you were to put those dots

709
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: on a map and connect them.

710
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: It's just this little sliver.

711
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: It looks like a land based Bermuda triangle and it's

712
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 2: these coal mining towns, and it is so synonymous in.

713
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: Your area in West Virginia.

714
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: With the way that farming is and agriculture is in

715
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: South Georgia, kind of where I'm from. And that's not

716
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: the only place you would find that culture, obviously, but

717
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: it's these places where everyone knows everyone.

718
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: It's back breaking.

719
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: The lifestyle is a backbreaking lifestyle. The average life expectancy

720
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: I saw that recently in West Virginia, I think, is

721
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: forty ninth out of fifty states. And the reason is

722
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: because of coal mining. The reason is because that figure

723
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: is not just a twenty nineteen, twenty twenty figure. That

724
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: figure has been compiled over decades and decades, and it's

725
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: backbreaking work.

726
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: But here's what it does.

727
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: What it does is number one, for people like me,

728
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: it gives me supreme respect for anyone who comes from there.

729
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: And number two, if you do come from there, no

730
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: work is hard, Like no work is too hard for you.

731
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: Nick Saban has a schedule right now that perplexes most people.

732
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher guys like that. They keep a schedule that

733
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: perplexes most people. I knew a guy who was a

734
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: grad assistant at Alabama when Saban's still there, So this

735
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: was under Saban, and he is twenty two, twenty three

736
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: years old, and he told me, Nick Saban's not even

737
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: going to know who I am.

738
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: But here's what I'm gonna do.

739
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: The one thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get

740
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: there before him, and I'm gonna leave there after him

741
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: every day. That's the one thing I can do. And

742
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: it lasted about ten days, less than two weeks. It lasted,

743
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: and he told me I couldn't do it. There were

744
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: times I got there earlier than him. There were some

745
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: times that I left there after him, but I couldn't

746
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: do it consistently.

747
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: And I was getting there and basically being a zombie

748
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: at my desk. He is a machine.

749
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: But the thing about it is my buddy grew up

750
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: where I don't think he had ever even understood the

751
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: concept of dirt under his fingernails. Nick Saban, on the

752
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: other hand, Fielding yost as you talked about John McKay,

753
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher, those guys, it's a lifestyle that's.

754
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: In your DNA.

755
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: And I've got so so much respect for people who

756
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: come from West Virginia, or in my world, who come

757
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: from South Georgia and they grew up on peanut farms

758
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: and you work in sometimes sixteen seventeen hour days for

759
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: extended periods, cause there are seasons where you got to

760
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: get stuff done compared to that. To think about the fact,

761
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: this is why I have no time for people in

762
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: our industry who complained about long days, when in reality

763
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: you're getting to do for a profession what most people

764
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: do for fun. If you work in a coal mine,

765
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: the one break you have during the week is you

766
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: get to on Saturdays watch West Virginia football. If you

767
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: work on a South Georgia peanut form, the one respite

768
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: you have is a few saturdays in the fall you

769
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: get to watch Georgia football. To think about the fact

770
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: that there are people, there are grown men and women

771
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: being paid to cover those sports.

772
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Who would dare.

773
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: Complain, Oh, man, Georgia's Oh they got louisianam and road today.

774
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: I gotta go spend a whole Saturday doing that. That's

775
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: not hard work. That's not hard work at all. I

776
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: woke up at five o'clock this morning to do this podcast.

777
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: That's not hard. It's not hard at all. What would

778
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: be hard is if I had had to wake up

779
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: thirty minutes earlier than that and go throw my overalls

780
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: on and get the tractor out here and then go

781
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: ride up and down rows for sixteen hours in the

782
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: middle of ninety five degree heat. That's hard. It's harvest

783
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: time down here right now. It's growing season down here

784
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: right now. You ought to see the fields in South

785
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: Georgia and there are men and women working it every

786
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: single day.

787
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: That DNA.

788
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: That's why a guy like Nick Saban is how he is.

789
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher is how he is. I love reading about that.

790
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: You know what, you want to get some really good

791
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: storytelling if you can ever hear those guys. I've heard

792
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: Fisher and Saban in off the record settings talk about

793
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: their upbringing, fascinating as good a stories as they could

794
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: ever give about football. Moving on Epic college football in Twitter,

795
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: DMS say Georgia were to finish ten and two with

796
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: losses to Alabama and Florida after finishing the past three

797
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: regular seasons eleven to one. How would the public view

798
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: of Kirby Smart change with a step back, even if

799
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: it's slight in twenty twenty. I don't think the public

800
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: view would change of him very much. The public view

801
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: of Kirby Smart right now is that he is a

802
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: very good coach trying to become great, and he's competing

803
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: against great. You know, he's trying to overtake someone like

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Nick Saban, who is universally accepted as great, and since

805
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart hasn't done that, he's viewed as very good.

806
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: That's not the perception that I'm focused on. The perception

807
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: I'd be focused on if they do indeed lose to

808
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: Alabama and Florida this year, where the fan base is

809
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: only thinking about taking the final step forward, if they

810
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: were to take that slight step back, I'd wonder about

811
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: Georgia fans. There's a long way between where Kirby Smart

812
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: is now and any kind of hot seat whisper. I'm

813
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: not talking about hot seat. What I'm talking about is

814
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: just the general unrest that would result from the perception that,

815
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: oh man, did we just take a step back?

816
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: Like I thought.

817
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: I thought this was a climb and we were just

818
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: one step away from the mountaintop.

819
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: No one told me.

820
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: That taking a step back could ever be part of

821
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 2: this equation. That's why I think that Georgia Florida game

822
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 2: is always interesting, but even more so interesting this year,

823
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: because I think both programs have that same mentality and

824
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: someone's got to take a step back by default. Jansen

825
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: on Twitter says, I was wondering what the word is

826
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: on Minnesota. Do you think PJ Fleck can get them

827
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: to a Wisconsin level of competition, competing for the West

828
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: every year, or will they fade into the background after

829
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: overachieving last year. I personally like PJ. Fleck, but don't

830
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 2: know much about the guys they can recruit up there. Jackson,

831
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: I think the odds, you'd have to say the odds

832
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: are better than not that they peaked last year. Having

833
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: said that, PJ. Fleck is a guy who proved himself

834
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: at Western Michigan, proved himself last year at Minnesota and

835
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: could certainly quote unquote shock the world again, it's not

836
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: out of the realm of possibility. The concern I always

837
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: have for a program like Minnesota is as soon as

838
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: they pop their head up above the crowd, like they

839
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: did last year, it gets everyone's attention, and since no

840
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: one views Minnesota as one of the blue blood elites

841
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: of college football, as soon as they do something good,

842
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: everyone looks at them and says, all right, let's go

843
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: take whatever we want over there. Kirk Soaka is a

844
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: perfect example Minnesota at so some points last year looks

845
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: better offensively than Penn State does. So Penn State says,

846
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: let's just go take the coordinator. And that's not to

847
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: say that anyone could just pillage and plunder Minnesota anytime

848
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: they wanted to. But it's what my concern is, how

849
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: do you keep together a program because as soon as

850
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: you have success, people come and they try and take

851
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: this guy, take that guy. And that's just the front

852
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 2: facing part of your program. You don't even know how

853
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: many analysts or football operations managers maybe behind the scenes

854
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: that you're losing that were integral parts of your operation

855
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: that previous year. Ryan on Twitter, how will USC be

856
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: able to compete with schools like Bama and Ohio State

857
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: who will see a significant increase in TV revenue from

858
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: future conference TV deals. If those programs can spend more money,

859
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: it seems like they'll have an easier time bringing in

860
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: top recruits, especially with the national or national name, image

861
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: and likeness rules or upgrading facilities. Well, Ryan, this is

862
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: already a concern. Those programs are already spending a whole

863
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: lot more than USC. Now, USC, in reality, is not

864
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: the program that's ever going to hurt from this and ironically,

865
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned name image likeness. Well, Ryan, what if I

866
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: told you that a majority of the country is worried

867
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: that name image and likeness could be used disproportionately to

868
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: the advantage of USC having the entire Los Angeles market

869
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: behind you at your disposal. So I wouldn't necessarily worry

870
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: about how name image and likeness is going to victimize USC.

871
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: What I would worry about is just getting things in

872
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: order out there.

873
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: Period.

874
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: You cannot sell an eight win program to recruits, and

875
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: just on average, I'm not talking about any given year,

876
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: but on average, if you're hovering around that eight win

877
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: caliber plateau, you're not selling that to recruits as being

878
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: comparable to what they offer you at Alabama, what they

879
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: offer you at Ohio States.

880
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Since those are the two programs you mentioned.

881
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Having said that, like I said, recruiting budgets, TV money,

882
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: name image likeness, that stuff's not going to victimize USC

883
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: unless USC allows themselves to be victimized by it. What

884
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: I would worry about with the disproportionate TV revenue and

885
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: name image likeness is how to programs like Washington Utah,

886
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: How to programs like that stay afloat? How do they

887
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: compete in the modern world moving forward. That's what I

888
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: would be concerned about. And that's not a USC problem.

889
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: That's more of a PAC twelve problem. Jack on Twitter,

890
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: this is a very common question where I'm.

891
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: From, folks.

892
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: Is this the year Georgia puts everything together and has

893
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: that LSU like season. I mean, the recruiting has been outstanding,

894
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 2: There's talent and depth on both sides of the ball,

895
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: and Georgia might finally have a quarterback that can put

896
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: them over the top. As I said, this is the

897
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: million dollar question. This is what everyone's hoping down in Georgia.

898
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: They're hoping that defense is what but you think it

899
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: will be, And what I think it'll be is the

900
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: best unit in the country. I've been clear about that.

901
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: So the thinking it's not hard to follow this train

902
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: of thought. Well, we got an elite defense and the

903
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: only thing we've been missing is the right quarterback and

904
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: the right play caller. Now, I've not been shouting play

905
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: calling like some of these guys down here that I

906
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: hang out with have been, only because there is no

907
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: offensive game plan that the head coach doesn't sign off on.

908
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: So James Coley took a beating last year. Well, you

909
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: got your wish he's out Todd Monkins in you didn't

910
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: have spring to prepare, but you got your transfer quarterback

911
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: in Jamie Newman. And so you know, you got some

912
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: receivers that needed seasoning a year ago that you hope

913
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: have it this year. Offensive line maybe a question mark.

914
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: Question mark's doing always equal weaknesses. There are a lot

915
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: of four and five star options to plug into those

916
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: question marks. Running back position, they have good backs there

917
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: every year, and so you hope, man, if we can

918
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: get that to click, then who's to stop us?

919
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: It sounds so easy. Oh, it sounds so easy. I

920
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: don't know.

921
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: And the reason I don't know. I don't think anyone

922
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: can know is I have no way to know what

923
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart's offensive philosophy is. I can hear him in

924
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: a press conference. I can hear what he says when

925
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: he hires a new coach when they open camp eventually,

926
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: I can hear what he says they're going to try

927
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: and do. I can hear all that. I got to

928
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: see it, and you got to see it. That's when

929
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: we'll know where the George is capable of doing anything

930
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: like LSU did. Next up Blake YouTube comment section. Do

931
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 2: you think that if there are no fans in stadiums

932
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: this year, the more talented team is almost guaranteed to

933
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: win without the factor of a crowd, No, Blake. I

934
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 2: think that the outcomes will largely mirror a typical season.

935
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: The most talented team usually wins the game anyway. But

936
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: I always stop short of saying that. I used to

937
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: say that all the time.

938
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: I used to.

939
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: Say, well, so and so is the more talented team.

940
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: What are we really going off there? Here's the fact

941
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: of the matter. Most people who use that term could

942
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: not scout talent if their life depended on it. And

943
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: I'm including myself here. If you put me in a

944
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: film room to diagnose the characteristics and traits of a

945
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: defensive back, and I were sitting next to a defensive

946
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: back coach, I would make a fool of myself. In

947
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: all likelihood. I watch the game, I follow recruiting, and

948
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: I would like to think that maybe I have a

949
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: pretty good grasp on the game relative to the casual viewer.

950
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: But I'm not a coach, and I'm not a professional

951
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: draft analyst. For example, when I say analyst, I mean

952
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: guys who work inside the industry. So I don't evaluate

953
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: film seven hours a day for a living Who in

954
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: the world am I to evaluate who's more talented? And secondly,

955
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: even if we are able to definitively conclude that Auburn

956
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: is more talented than Arkansas, well, how do we know

957
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: in any given year these specific teams, notwithstanding generic statement here,

958
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: how are we to know which program has done a

959
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 2: better job of converting their talent into skill? And having

960
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: said that, that's beside the point the outcomes. If you

961
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: were to take the outcomes from this season and look

962
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: at them fifty years from now and you don't even remember, oh,

963
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: that was the COVID year, I don't think that the

964
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: results on any given Saturday will look all that much different.

965
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: Execution still wins. Talent still matters, Skills still matters. Obviously

966
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: you got to have players to win, but execution still matters.

967
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: Not having your home atmosphere, yes, it's a detriment to you,

968
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes the more talented team is the

969
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: road team. Sometimes the more talented team is the home team.

970
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: So I really think that all that kind of it

971
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: evens out in the wash probably misfits smurf on YouTube.

972
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: How quickly can we expect Georgia Tech to improve on

973
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: the field from year to year. How much of an

974
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: advantage does being located in Atlanta provide to Georgia Tech

975
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: when the NCAA relaxes name, image and likeness rules.

976
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: This is a big deal.

977
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, to me set it for two years now

978
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: is the best example of a quote sleeping giant unquote

979
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: in college football. No one looks at Georgia Tech and

980
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: thinks that they have top end potential that could garner,

981
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, year in year out, top ten caliber play.

982
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: I do most people think that their academic requirements are

983
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: in albatross around their football neck.

984
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't.

985
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: I also think they have the right coaching staff there.

986
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Right now, they have finally harnessed what so many people

987
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: have failed to do at Tech. They have harnessed Atlanta

988
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: to their advantage. They have leveraged Atlanta to their advantage.

989
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: It's inexplicable that a Power five program has existed in

990
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: the capitol of college football, at the intersection of the

991
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: ACC and the SEC and not done a thing with it.

992
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech football has not moved the needle in Atlanta

993
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: for way too long. They don't matter in their hometown

994
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: as much as four or five major not from Atlanta matter.

995
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: People talk Alabama football in Atlanta more than they talk

996
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 2: about Georgia Tech football.

997
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: You got to change that, and I think that.

998
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: They have the staff there to do it, and with name,

999
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 2: image and likeness, and them already understanding that the DNA

1000
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: of this program needs to be Atlanta. We need to

1001
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: be a program associated with Atlanta. And then you think

1002
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: about the opportunities not only that you have there, think

1003
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: about the alumni base you have. You want to have

1004
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: a fun afternoon or a five minute portion of your afternoon.

1005
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: Go check out the average salary of a Georgia Tech graduate.

1006
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: It will blow your mind. And guess where those average

1007
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: salaries are residing. Probably on the top quarters of the

1008
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: floors of various high rises in downtown Atlanta, but all

1009
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: around the country, all around the world. Tech has got

1010
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: a massive not only endowment, but alumni base, limitless opportunities

1011
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: for the Jackets with name, image and likeness. I agree

1012
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: with you here Jeff on YouTube, can you explain recruiting rankings?

1013
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: What's the difference between having the number one class and

1014
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: five class? What if you finish at recruiting year top fifteen,

1015
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: could you compete for a national championship. If you don't

1016
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: consistently have top five classes, yes you can, Jeff Clemson

1017
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: has done that already a couple of times. Clemson now

1018
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 2: has ascended to where they are a top five annual recruiter.

1019
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: They were not that when they started this run. What

1020
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: they were is, or what they were was, they had

1021
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: a superstar quarterback in Deshaun Watson, and they had a

1022
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: very good roster. They had a top fifteen roster, and

1023
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: then they had a superstar quarterback. You get a superstar quarterback,

1024
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: you can win. I mean, you get a superstar quarterback,

1025
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: and you can redefine what your program is. And then

1026
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: as you redefine what your program is, you can also

1027
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: attract the talent necessary to put together annual top five classes.

1028
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: That's what I wait for Penn State to do. That's

1029
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: what I wait for Notre Dame to do. There are

1030
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: a number of programs out there that fit this to

1031
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: score scription. Clemson, I think, laid out a blueprint that

1032
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: a number of other programs could follow. But recruiting, I

1033
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: mean to figure out the rankings are very simple. Maybe

1034
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: some listen to this and they don't understand this process.

1035
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: It's fascinating once you do understand it. I would go

1036
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: to twenty four to seven sports dot com. I would

1037
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 2: click on the football recruiting tab, go click on team

1038
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: rankings and just peruse. You can see who's ranked where.

1039
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: Right now, you can check out the player rankings, and

1040
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's just as simple. It's a numeric rating,

1041
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: but it's also a star based rating. Those grades are

1042
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: updated every month and there is continuous evaluation from our

1043
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: scouting department and our staff. Here very extensive grades that

1044
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: are in very extensive research that's done on assigning those

1045
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: grades for guys. And you know, whoever lands the most

1046
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: high caliber players, it all goes into their final grade.

1047
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: And that is how recruiting class rankings are determined. Jake

1048
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: and the email inbox, Football, perhaps more than and any

1049
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: other sport, relies heavily on mental toughness, grit, and confidence,

1050
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: qualities that can't be quantified, measured, or produced in a

1051
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: lab setting. I believe Scott Cochran's program at Alabama and

1052
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: still those qualities. I was at the twenty twelve Save

1053
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: in Football camp. Cochran ran the show at the camp,

1054
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 2: and I understood at the time his staff simply kicked

1055
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: your butt before you even started to practice. Having these

1056
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: experiences in memory, I can't help but wonder if his departure,

1057
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: we'll see that level of intensity leave with him. Looking

1058
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: through doctor matt Ray's Twitter, he is clearly brilliant, but

1059
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: it's unclear if the intensity will be there due to

1060
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: differences in philosophy. Do you think this is possible, Jake,

1061
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: I understand where that sentiment comes from. I don't think

1062
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: intensity is going to be a concern for Alabama. I

1063
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be a concern at all.

1064
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: Number one, because I wouldn't so much look to let's say,

1065
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: doctor Matt Ray as the source of the intensity behind

1066
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: that program, doctor Matt Ray of the sports science combo

1067
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: they hired to replace Scott Cochrane, I would look a

1068
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: towards David Blue, who is the other half of that.

1069
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: And Number two, you know, Scott Cochrane was not the

1070
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: only energy provider on that staff. As is the case

1071
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: with any major program, you have a strength and conditioning team.

1072
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: You got one coach maybe, but you have a team

1073
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: and they're all like these miniature versions of your strength

1074
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: and conditioning coach. There were three or four other dudes

1075
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: who acted like psychopaths in a good way on Alabama

1076
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 2: sideline along with Scott Cochrane every Saturday. I've been around

1077
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 2: Alabama for a while.

1078
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I've seen it.

1079
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that the intensity is going to lack

1080
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: at all with Alabama, and that's passed down from the

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Speaker 2: very top. What I do think they're going to gain

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Speaker 2: is regain their foothold right at the top of the

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00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: leading edge of these sports science aspect along with strength

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Speaker 2: training aspects of the sport, where I think and many

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Speaker 2: inside that program thought that they had fallen behind recently.

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Speaker 2: Robbie email, do you think LSU's defensive production will take

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Speaker 2: a step forward or backward with Bo Polini returning? You know, Robbie,

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Speaker 2: I had the questions that a lot of other people did.

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Speaker 2: I think these are natural. It's not doubting, it's just questions.

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Speaker 2: You know Bo Polini, we know where he's been for

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Speaker 2: a long time, and we know where he was last

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Speaker 2: time he was a coordinator. But the point I keep

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Speaker 2: coming back to is ed Orgeron is sold on Bo Polini.

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Speaker 2: So if he's sold on him, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: doubt him. I learned my lesson last year. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to be the one to doubt him. I think

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Speaker 2: they'll be fine this year and moving forward under Polini.

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Speaker 2: Dylan email I'm curious what makes a head coaching job

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Speaker 2: more attractive. I understand every coach has certain things and

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Speaker 2: they look for maybe a few different things, but what

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Speaker 2: in general makes a job attractive? Well, this is what

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Speaker 2: it comes down to for me, Dylan. What's the expectation

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Speaker 2: level and does the investment level warrant the expectation level.

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Speaker 2: If you've got to play that's expecting you to contend

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Speaker 2: for playoffs, then you better have that level of investment.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have that level ofst of investment, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: but don't expect me to contend for playoffs here. That's

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Speaker 2: really all it comes down to for me, David, email

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Speaker 2: I was wondering, could you disseminate your position on Arizona

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Speaker 2: State under Herm Edwards and the direction.

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Speaker 1: You believe they are headed.

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Speaker 2: I've always believed, David, Arizona State has a perennial top

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Speaker 2: fifteen caliber potential now right now where they sit is

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Speaker 2: they have obviously a former NFL head coach in Herm Edwards.

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Speaker 2: They have a former NFL head coach as their defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator in Marvin Lewis. They had a top twenty five

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Speaker 2: class last year. Right now, very slow start, think they're

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Speaker 2: in the seventies. But the name of the game for

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Speaker 2: them is recruiting. That's always the question that anyone has,

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Speaker 2: myself included, when guys come from the NFL into the

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Speaker 2: college world. How do you handle recruiting? And right now

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Speaker 2: it's a remains to be seen situation at Arizona State.

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Speaker 2: Cody email, I know you've said the only thing that

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Speaker 2: would motivate Notre Dame to join a conference is missing

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Speaker 2: the playoffs because of not having a conference championship game. Well,

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Speaker 2: do you think COVID could have any effect on that? Yeah, Cody,

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Speaker 2: I think it could. It was one of the first

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Speaker 2: questions I had back in the spring when we were

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Speaker 2: wondering what would happen with the college football season, and

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Speaker 2: people started to say, well, maybe conferences will just play

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Speaker 2: conference games only. Well, that's all well and good if

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Speaker 2: you are Kentucky, but what if your Notre Dame and

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Speaker 2: you're not in a conference? And now, what I think

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Speaker 2: would happen there is they would strike a temporary deal

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Speaker 2: with the acc That's what I think would happen, and

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Speaker 2: they would work it out and hopefully it doesn't come

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Speaker 2: to that. Bryce email, How did the big boys down south,

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Speaker 2: like Georgia and Alabama view the Tier two Big Ten

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Speaker 2: programs like Michigan Penn State in Wisconsin? I know you

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Speaker 2: said they view Ohio State as one of their own. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is by the way. Bryce has asked me to

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Speaker 2: speak for Alabama fans and Georgia fans, not for myself.

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Speaker 2: I would tell you those fan bases look at Ohio

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Speaker 2: State and they say that is are equal. I would

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Speaker 2: say they look at Michigan and Penn State and they say,

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Speaker 2: those are former giants. We don't think they can get

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Speaker 2: enough athletes to match us, but in any given year,

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Speaker 2: maybe they could put it together and make a run.

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Speaker 2: I think they look at Wisconsin and they respect the

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Speaker 2: style of play because it reminds them of the way

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Speaker 2: that they either do it or used to do it.

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Speaker 2: But they always think that the roster will be inferior

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Speaker 2: to theirs. That's a scinct way to let you know

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Speaker 2: how fan bases down here would think about those programs.

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Speaker 2: A couple of more here. Daniel email inbox, Indiana football

1156
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: is historically one of the worst teams in college football.

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Speaker 2: They've been undoubtedly doing better, but their last three bowl

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Speaker 2: games have all been lost by a field goal or less.

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Speaker 2: What does it take for a team like Indiana to

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Speaker 2: turn a corner? Given they're in the Big Ten East,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much three guaranteed losses. Is it even possible

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Speaker 2: for them to turn the corner? Daniel, I got to

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Speaker 2: shoot straight with you, brother, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess anything's possible.

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Speaker 2: But even if it were to happen, same concern I

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Speaker 2: gave you with Minnesota even more or so with Indiana.

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Speaker 2: If it were to happen, if they went ten and

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Speaker 2: two this year, think about what would happen to every

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Speaker 2: successful facet of that program. Any coordinators would be snatched

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Speaker 2: up by a major program, head coach snatched up by

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Speaker 2: a major program. I mean heck, in the future, when

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Speaker 2: the transfer portal continues to become more and more popular

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: option in the offseason, you may have to worry about

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Speaker 2: re recruiting half of your roster because programs out there

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Speaker 2: that are superior to you in nefarious manners may be

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Speaker 2: coming after your players. So I don't think long term

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Speaker 2: it's very possible. There, Dwayne wraps us up. What does

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Speaker 2: Georgia high school football do differently that results in so

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Speaker 2: many high target recruits? And how can Georgia, Tech and

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Speaker 2: Georgia do a better job of keeping Clemson, Alabama, Ohio

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Speaker 2: State and so many others from taking the cream of

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Speaker 2: the crop. Let me work backwards here. I don't think

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Speaker 2: anyone takes the cream of the crop out of Georgia singularly.

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Speaker 2: Now collectively, you may in any giving you have seven

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Speaker 2: or eight of the top fifteen kids leave the state,

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Speaker 2: but they're not going to one program necessarily that I know.

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Speaker 2: Dwayne's why you mentioned multiple programs. Well, what makes Georgia

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Speaker 2: so great is also the reason why a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys leave the state. Atlanta, as I said at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of this podcast, is kind of its own state,

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Speaker 2: very transient in nature, transient just of course meeting a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who are there are not from there.

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Speaker 2: And as a result, you got a kid who lives

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Speaker 2: in Birmingham versus a kid who lives in Atlanta. The

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Speaker 2: kid in Birmingham is ten times more likely on average,

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Speaker 2: well maybe not quite ten times, but he is far

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Speaker 2: more on average likely to have come up in Birmingham

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Speaker 2: and had parents who lived in Birmingham or somewhere in

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Speaker 2: Alabama than the kid in Atlanta. Columbus is the second

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Speaker 2: biggest town in Georgia. Columbus is right next to Fort

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Speaker 2: Benning Military Base, so there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: coming and going there too, And so when you talk

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Speaker 2: about and when you think about it, makings the same way.

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Speaker 2: And so when you think about the kids in Georgia,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you got kids who are born and bred Georgia, bulldog,

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Speaker 2: red and black from the day that they could walk

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Speaker 2: and talk, and they're going to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: But just as easily, you could have kids who.

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Speaker 2: Grow up in Decatur, grow up in Norcross, grow up

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Speaker 2: in Alpharetta, and you know, they like Georgia, but they

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Speaker 2: like some other programs too. They watch all the teams

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Speaker 2: on Saturday. And you know, my mom grew up in

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Speaker 2: Dallas and my dad was born in Louisville, and we

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Speaker 2: just kind of reside here and that's where we settled.

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Speaker 2: But my roots aren't here. So it's hard. Georgia is

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Speaker 2: not a state that you could ever lock down. Even

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Speaker 2: when you're flying high like Georgia is right now, you're

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Speaker 2: not locking it down, but you land the majority of

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Speaker 2: the big time kids in state, and then you recruit

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Speaker 2: nationally too, like Georgia has. You won't have a problem

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Speaker 2: with Georgia Tech. That's why I think Atlanta is so important.

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Speaker 2: You got to give kids in Atlanta a reason to

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Speaker 2: understand there is an option right here in my own

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Speaker 2: backyard where I can go.

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Speaker 1: Not only and I can win and I.

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Speaker 2: Can compete, but there's this academic opportunity they offer that

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Speaker 2: really nobody else around here offers, and so I can

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Speaker 2: go there, I can play football, I can get a

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Speaker 2: degree and pretty much guarantee myself millionaire status by the

1230
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Speaker 2: time I'm thirty five, if I don't screw it up myself.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty unique pitch that not many other programs

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Speaker 2: can offer. All Right, guys, really really appreciated. Got a

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Speaker 2: good hour's worth of questions and answers there today. As always,

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Speaker 2: see any reason why you guys can't do it. I

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Speaker 2: Ways you can get in touch with me until next time,

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Speaker 2: to work editing this podcast for your listening pleasure, really

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