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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, I'm George Burge.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would see people around me move to

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Speaker 2: town and have a hit song, songs placed on TV shows,

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Speaker 2: or big tour offers, or you know, opportunity to write

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Speaker 2: with the biggest writers in town, and I would start

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Speaker 2: to question, like, what do I not have that they have.

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Speaker 2: God provides you with blessings when he feels like you're

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Speaker 2: ready to handle them. I think that God was making

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Speaker 2: sure that I was really sound. I can genuinely say

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Speaker 2: like without a foundation of faith, like I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: here today.

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Speaker 1: And this is the upload.

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Speaker 3: Well, y'all, I'm excited for this conversation. He's a husband,

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Speaker 3: he's a father, he is an amazing country artist, and

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Speaker 3: I'm just excited to learn more about just a little

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Speaker 3: bit of our friend, George Burge.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the upload, Brook, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me in. I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: I love your voice because I feel like you can

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Speaker 3: hear him smile like those who are not watching the

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Speaker 3: video when you when you speak, I feel like I

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Speaker 3: can just hear joy in your voice.

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Speaker 1: Life is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot to frown about these days,

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Speaker 2: so I am genuinely happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Well, we always start the converse just kind of learning

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Speaker 3: about what your faith is like and what faith means

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Speaker 3: to you as a human being.

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Speaker 1: I think it's foundation for me.

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Speaker 2: We, especially in the music industry, live in a world

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Speaker 2: where you're judged every day, and there are times of

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Speaker 2: like insane prosperity, and then there's times where it's just

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Speaker 2: like scarce and you know the people that you thought,

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Speaker 2: where friends are fleeting, and you know there's you know,

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Speaker 2: dry periods where maybe your music's not working or even

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Speaker 2: on the come up, you know, it's like you're you're

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Speaker 2: out there just kind of trying to make something out

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Speaker 2: of nothing, and without that foundation of like trust that

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Speaker 2: God's got you and that you're on the right path

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Speaker 2: and that you know his timing is perfect, a lot

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Speaker 2: of times you can start questioning or trying to force things,

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Speaker 2: and I can genuinely say, like, without a foundation of faith,

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Speaker 3: And I know that your your story. We're going to

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Speaker 3: dive more deep into it. But even starting in a

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Speaker 3: duo and then kind of going along doing your own thing,

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Speaker 3: that's got to be a big like faith roller coaster

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Speaker 3: for you, trying to figure out what you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I moved to town in a country duo

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Speaker 2: called Waterloo Revival. And I had never thought that I

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Speaker 2: it out of passion.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: And so we had a little band and we were

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Speaker 2: playing on Sixth Street down in Austin, and I had

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I got an offer for

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Speaker 2: that was even that having faith of like maybe this

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Speaker 2: is what I've called to do, Like I've always wanted

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Speaker 2: to play music for a living. I've got my job

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Speaker 2: Like God, I'm gonna trust you. I'm gonna quit my

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Speaker 1: And so that's what we did.

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Speaker 2: We packed up a U haul, I quit my job,

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Speaker 2: my wife quit her job, and we moved up to

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Speaker 2: as a couple of probably six years as a duo

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Speaker 2: and it just didn't happen. We were putting out songs

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Speaker 2: And it was definitely like, you know, a time where

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Speaker 2: just like the trust in like God's timing is perfect,

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Speaker 2: I probably would have quit. And I did try to

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Speaker 2: quit a couple of times, but it ended up working

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Speaker 3: Take us through some of those moments of questioning, because

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Speaker 3: I feel like we all question day to day, there's

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Speaker 3: always you know, things that are happening in our lives

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Speaker 3: where were like, why this doesn't make sense? Yeah, in

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Speaker 3: those moments of questioning, what were you feeling?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's really hard to take your

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Speaker 2: start to question, like what do I not have that

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Speaker 2: You know, why am I not getting blessed with these things?

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to, you know, pray and live the right

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Speaker 2: And now that I'm on the other side of it,

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Speaker 2: I think that God was making sure that I was

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Speaker 2: as a father, making sure that I knew how to

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Speaker 1: The right path.

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Speaker 2: And I do feel pretty strongly that had he blessed

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Speaker 2: I've started to have success now and grow now, his

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Speaker 2: strengthening you, toughening you for when he does provide. And

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Speaker 2: that's kind of how I've felt in this last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love what you said about you know, I

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Speaker 5: try to quit multiple times. Yeah, And you've got to

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Speaker 5: tell it's hard to take the ego out of it.

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Speaker 5: And in that look back, and it's like he was

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Speaker 5: for us to when we're following Jesus and we're also

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Speaker 5: I wonder if the giving up, It's like that's what

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Speaker 5: you feel like there's another way other than that? Do

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Speaker 5: that's the way he was just trying to get me

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Speaker 2: It's super interesting to hear you say, and I guess

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Speaker 2: i'd maybe never put it in that lens. But even

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Speaker 2: Now I've made it right, Like now I'm going to

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Speaker 2: And it just wasn't right. That was step one, and

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Speaker 1: I basically had given up.

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Speaker 2: I decided I was going to be a songwriter, and

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Speaker 2: It's not working. I'm going to write songs for a

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Speaker 2: And it was when I started doing that that people

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Speaker 5: But I think, like I hear, it's like God doesn't

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Speaker 5: to give up pretending yes because that's what you're like. Man.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to like, okay, what works and trying

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Speaker 5: But as soon as I didn't care anymore in the

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Speaker 5: to show them and screw there like I will show

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Speaker 5: you know, not not caring in that way, but like

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Speaker 5: me because I've kind of like tried it, it didn't work.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm free, and so there's the consistency and this

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Speaker 5: That's a really beautiful thing, bro to actually.

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Speaker 2: Fancy a mission without pretending. That's exactly right, And that's

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Speaker 2: that's it's such a hard thing to do because it's

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Speaker 3: Now, the success is loud, right, the success is happening.

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Speaker 2: And so now that's like every Tuesday I go fill

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00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: my cup and it takes to weight off my shoulders

440
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 2: being like, hey, these are real friends, and I can

441
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 2: we all have real problem and we can all pray

442
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: for each other. And I think just when you listen

443
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 2: to God and you see the people that He puts

444
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: in your life that are pulling you in the right direction,

445
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: lean into it because He's doing it for a reason.

446
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you shall know them by their fruit. Lead by example.

447
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 5: It's like God his love is communicated to people, not

448
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 5: just from the principles from the mountaintop, but like your

449
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,959
Speaker 5: life and the integrity a good name is worth more

450
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Speaker 5: than gold. And you can see and I just want

451
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 5: to affirm, like one hundred percent, Bro, there's like a

452
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 5: character and a name that you've wrestled with in terms

453
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Speaker 5: of choices, and I'd love to hear like that's not

454
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Speaker 5: an easy for someone who personally, you know, kind of

455
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 5: knows a little bit of that wrestle. It's intense. I've

456
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 5: been last year was a very intense wrestle for like

457
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 5: what are you going to be? And how you know?

458
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 5: What are you going to choose when no one's watching?

459
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 5: And I think for for that wrestle to speak like

460
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 5: you've chosen that over and over again, you've been great

461
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 5: at it, you'd been not so great at it. But

462
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 5: the wrestle of the choice too, for integrity in the

463
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Speaker 5: private when no one's watching, How do you? How do

464
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Speaker 5: you do it? Yeah? How do you do? Because I

465
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 5: think so many people like man, I just can't. I

466
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 5: just keep falling and praise God for his grace and

467
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 5: he keeps picking it up. But like the disciplines of

468
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 5: of good choices in in the behind the scenes, Yeah,

469
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 5: it's the gold, Like, that's the gold.

470
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Speaker 2: I think that I've found a lot of peace this

471
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Speaker 2: year in accepting that nobody is perfect and you can't

472
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Speaker 2: be perfect. And God, you know, designed us in his image,

473
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Speaker 2: but he didn't design us to be perfect.

474
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Speaker 5: You know.

475
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Speaker 2: That's why he had to send Jesus down, and that's

476
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Speaker 2: why you know he had to be sacrificed. It's because

477
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: there's nobody that can live perfectly. And I think that

478
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: all he wants is us to be pursued him. And

479
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: if you're actively pursuing him, and if you are wrestling,

480
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 2: that means you're doing it right. If you've given up

481
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: and you just say, you know, let this in take

482
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Speaker 2: you over and say I'm going to be taken by

483
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: temptation and I'm going to accept it. That's one thing.

484
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: We're all going to have temptation. We're all going to stumble.

485
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Speaker 2: But I think that if you wake up every day

486
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Speaker 2: choosing to wrestle it and choosing to try to pursue God,

487
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: you can find peace that you're doing what he's asking.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

489
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Speaker 3: I have been having really deep conversations with my husband

490
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Speaker 3: recently about just like men of God, and he's been

491
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Speaker 3: i don't know, just like convicted to be a leader

492
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Speaker 3: because he's like, so many of these young men are lost,

493
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Speaker 3: and you talking about bringing these guys right out of

494
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 3: college on the road with you and teaching them like

495
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: what a life can look like when you are a

496
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Speaker 3: man of God. Talk to us about some of those

497
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Speaker 3: like values and things that you're trying to instill into them,

498
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Speaker 3: because what is what is being a man of God

499
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Speaker 3: to you?

500
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Speaker 4: What does that feel like? I mean, you've got two

501
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Speaker 4: boys as well.

502
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Speaker 2: Sure, I think the the thing that I struggled with

503
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: most in the beginning was like, who am I to

504
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: tell these guys what to do? Or who am I

505
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: to be a leader? Like I'm not perfect and I

506
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: have my flaws, and you know, I struggle every day,

507
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: But I think it's just an effort to you know,

508
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: try to save them from some of the stuff that

509
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I struggled with and teach them some of the tips

510
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: that I've learned to be able to you know, function

511
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: and live life in a way that's fulfilling. And you know,

512
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: I didn't have a ton of people around me in

513
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: the beginning pulling me in a great direction. And so

514
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: once I found those people, I've tried to like understand,

515
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, what they did for me and how they

516
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: pulled me in, and I've tried to do that for

517
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Speaker 2: other people. And so again, it's just like creating a

518
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Speaker 2: culture where it's like we're not preaching or we're not

519
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: bashing over the head, or we're not judging you, but

520
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, you know, we're being vulnerable, we're praying,

521
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: we're going to church, we're being faithful to our spouse.

522
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Speaker 2: Is you know, we still like to have a good

523
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: time and we still like to go out on the

524
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: road and make music and do what we love. And

525
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: you can have both. There's a world where all of

526
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: that can exist. And we're not going to bash you

527
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: over the head with it. But like, if you want

528
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: to come join us, come on, yeah, and we'll teach

529
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: you what you know and what we know.

530
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Speaker 3: Proverbs eleven thirty. The one who is wise saves lives.

531
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Speaker 3: I just I love that. I see that all over you,

532
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: just like a man of integrity, a man of God

533
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Speaker 3: who is he's doing his best. You're doing your best,

534
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: You've lived through life, and you're trying to help others

535
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: along the way. I think it's such a special thing,

536
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: and it's such a special special characteristic, especially in this

537
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Speaker 3: industry where people are unfaithful to their wives and people

538
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, fall to all of the temptation that's around

539
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: them all of the time. Like you think that walk

540
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 3: into work every day and like, you know, living a

541
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: normal life, like there's temptation there. Get yourself on the

542
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: road where you're in front of thousands of people every night.

543
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: Girls are in the DMS. They don't care that you're married,

544
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's just so many things

545
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: in the industry that I think the weight of that

546
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: can get so heavy.

547
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: But man, you carry it well.

548
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Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. It's It's interesting. I've heard

549
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: some artists and some famous people before I kind of

550
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: got to a level of some success, talk about how

551
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: it's never enough to fill the hole. You know, you've

552
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: got rock bottom where you have nothing and you're hungry,

553
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: and you always are like, you know, one day when

554
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: I have money, or one day when I have a house,

555
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: or one day I want to have a car, but

556
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: it's never enough. And eventually, when you have everything and

557
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: you can have anything you want at any time and

558
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: it still doesn't scratch the itch, then what do you do?

559
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 5: You know?

560
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: And that's where a lot of people fall into, you know,

561
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: bad problems. And so I think that it's been really

562
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: important to have the things that you can't buy with money.

563
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: You can't buy with fame, you can't buy in that world.

564
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: It's the family, the friends. Golf has been huge for me.

565
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: It's a game that I can never conquer and you

566
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: know something that always keeps me challenged. And I think

567
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 2: that's the that what God had to teach me before

568
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: he could give me success was that when you can

569
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: find peace in what is important and what you do have,

570
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: then I can provide you with this bounty and you'll

571
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: be ready to handle it and you will know that

572
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: that is not the end. I'll be all, it's just

573
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: a blessing.

574
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: Our type of it.

575
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess that's coming back to the whole

576
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 5: like giving up thing. And we're having this conversation last

577
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 5: night but about billionaires, and it was like, like we

578
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: know too, Like the guy I was playing golf with

579
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 5: and he's like, they're like the nicest people I've ever met,

580
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 5: like the best people, like, and they're billionaires. Like and

581
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: he goes, but then I know, like millionaires that are

582
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 5: the worst people. And it's like it's skips. There's something happens.

583
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 5: And I said to him something that I that I

584
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: just recognized in this conversation. I think there's a process

585
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 5: that everyone goes through of like the wrestle of what

586
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: will fill that hole. It's like, oh, a little bit

587
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: of that, and then you go, Okay, there's nothing that

588
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: will fill that hole to a point of God's really

589
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: not interested in the stuff, He's not really interested in

590
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: giving me, or that He's really really interested in me

591
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 5: and getting the real me. And so the process is

592
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 5: to get the real me, to strip away all the ego,

593
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 5: the pride that gets in the way, the sin that

594
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: so easily entangles, so that I can see all of

595
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 5: this for the real thing, like all of the game.

596
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: I can see it for how he sees it. Sure,

597
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: And then I think the billionaires are just the ones

598
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 5: that have been beat up a lot by the wrong

599
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 5: thinking and submitted to the process. I'm just stripping away

600
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: to then. And it's not about a money thing. But

601
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: we just made the interesting correlation of everyone's got a process.

602
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: It's all the same journey to get to the real you.

603
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: It's an identity thing that the world is trying everything

604
00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 5: to constrict, conflate, pervert, distract who you really are. And ah,

605
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: God really cares, is like, who's the real mack? Let him?

606
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 5: You know? Eminem said, at first, I guess with a

607
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 5: real slim shady please stand.

608
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

609
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: That's a throwback right well, and it gives you so

610
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: much peace and not having to pretend right and just

611
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: being able to I don't know, you're not putting on

612
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: a show. You're you get to go be yourself and

613
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: you get to be content and feel that you're enough.

614
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy, uh, the

615
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: success and enjoy the gifts that God gives you. It's

616
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: it's just taking them for what they are, yeah, and

617
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: then trying to do good and share with them, you know,

618
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: donating time, donating shows, donating to charities, that that kind

619
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 2: of stuff, and and knowing you know, finding joy in

620
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: that as well.

621
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

622
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I just who much has given?

623
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Much is required and you know kind of talking about

624
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: what you're just saying about giving back and things like that.

625
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: The billionaire mindset too. It's just like if you live

626
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: with your fists clothed, you know, it's just like you're

627
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna miss out. But if you just live with

628
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: your hands open and are just like, if I'm blessed,

629
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: you're blessed, you know what I mean. I feel like

630
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: you're even you're rewarded even more because it's you know,

631
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: God wants to give you the desires of your heart,

632
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: but he doesn't want you to be stingy with them.

633
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: He wants you to be generous, and that's what we're

634
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: called to do. Love God, love people, be generous, build

635
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: up the people around us.

636
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I.

637
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: Just I keep just wanting to like build you up,

638
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: like you're just doing such a great job, and I'm

639
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: just proud to know you.

640
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: I felt that really early in the beginning, was like

641
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: I felt so tight fisted of like I need to

642
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: make it so that I can provide for my family

643
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: and that we never have to worry about money again.

644
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: You know.

645
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I need to make I need to have these hits

646
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: so that I can buy a house and then I

647
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: can buy a car, and that I can be bulletproof

648
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: to the world and I will have my fortune and

649
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: nobody can take it and I'll be set. And that

650
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: was my mindset in the beginning, and it was it

651
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 2: was the wrong one. It was when I you know,

652
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: leaned in, try to plan, give to others, you know,

653
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: and when you give, it comes back ten times full.

654
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 5: It's it's pretty that's freedom. Yeah, Like that attitude is freedom,

655
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 5: you know, the type fist. It's like, you know, control,

656
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: which is fear based, which is our own prison. And

657
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 5: we get convinced into it because you know, it does.

658
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: It does in some instances work in the short term.

659
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 5: But like inside, we're in this prison of fear, and

660
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: that's what I think the difference is. And just here

661
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: and it's like, man, there is a freedom of like

662
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 5: I don't care in the right way. It's free, you know.

663
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: And I've been shocked in the number of times that

664
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: I've since I've started to try to invest my time

665
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: more and not worry about what other people can do

666
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: for me, how many times I've leaned into somebody or

667
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: try to be there for somebody that I didn't think

668
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: could do anything for me. Where it's come back more

669
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: so than and the relationships that I was chasing, the

670
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: where I thought people could do something for me, And yeah, yeah,

671
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

672
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 5: His way, he is a higher than our ways. It's like,

673
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: you know, he knows, like, hey, I'm I care about

674
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 5: the outcome more than you, but I also really really

675
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: care about the process because the process is important for

676
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: the outcome, and that's the refinement of the real you

677
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 5: living in that place that's free, not this like you know,

678
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: controlling watching my back, but like the full the big picture,

679
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: because really the big picture's eternity anyway. Yes, it's not

680
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: even like an inheritance for my children's children. The big

681
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 5: picture is forever, yes, and that's the game he's playing,

682
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 5: and I'm just playing, like, hey, but what about next week?

683
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: Exactly?

684
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: So dang, yeah, good reminder.

685
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: You mentioned, you know, refinement, and I feel like in

686
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: the beginning of your career you did go through this

687
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: refining process of like your thoughts and how you are

688
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: living your life and like you know, what you thought

689
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: the end goal was and things like that, and really

690
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: just letting go of it at that moment. Right now currently,

691
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: is God refining anything in your life right now that

692
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: you're working on or you're learning, or anything that you'd

693
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: like to share.

694
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Yes, one hundred percent. You know,

695
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: I was talking about feeling him calling me more this

696
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: year through the people around me, and so I think

697
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: that He is refining me more in being selfless with

698
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: my time and what I'm giving and not being so

699
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: g oriented all the time. I pray almost every day

700
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: of like, God, help me just trust your plan and

701
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: you know, relinquish my own wants and needs. You know,

702
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: this is what I want, but I want it to

703
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: be part of your plan too, and I think that

704
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: that's what he's refining in me right now, and it

705
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: has helped me massively in my my anxiety of being

706
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: able to let go and give it to him. And

707
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: so I work on that through, you know, vocalizing it

708
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 2: with my friends and and praying every day and just

709
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: trying to really lean into We've started eating dinner as

710
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: a family every night when I'm home at the table,

711
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: which is new for us too, and it's just kind

712
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: of taking in little things, talking about goals, but also

713
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: trusting and giving thanks every day. It's thank you for

714
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: the blessings that are in front of us, and whatever

715
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: blessings you have ahead of us, or trials that you

716
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: have ahead of us.

717
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: We know that you're going to be walking with us.

718
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: And for me, I am such a type a control freak,

719
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: and so for him to kind of be standing those

720
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: edges off of me, I can almost hear that voice

721
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: in my head, and I can feel every time I pray,

722
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: or every time I sit down and find peace with

723
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: my family at the table or go to Bible study,

724
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: I can almost feel that weight just melt off of

725
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: me a little bit of like, hey, I'm not in control,

726
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: so don't pretend to be. And that is kind of

727
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: what he's working on me right now, and it's it's

728
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: going to take a lot of work, but I'm getting closer.

729
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the same way in.

730
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: My family especially, I'm just so I just want to

731
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: be in control, like you're doing that wrong, let me

732
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: just do it, or you know this is happening, I

733
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: need to do it myself because you're just gonna you're

734
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: going to mess it up, or you know, you want

735
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: to be in control of who's doing well, where they're going,

736
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: things like that, And that's been something I've been working

737
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: on too, where it's like, you know what, I've got

738
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: to let you do it wrong because I can't do everything.

739
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: You know true, And it's such a hard thing when

740
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: you are that type a mentality where you're you're you're

741
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: just naturally the one who is just outgoing, You're you're

742
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: always ahead of everybody, you want to be everybody's friend,

743
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: you want to you don't want to, you know, disappoint people,

744
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, if I can just make this, this,

745
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: this and this and this happen, let me just taking

746
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: that step back. Boy is at heart, so when you're

747
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: talking about you know that that refinement of letting go

748
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: and being like God, Jesus take the wheel.

749
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I quit, I quit.

750
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: In the right way. I'm still here, but I quit. Yeah,

751
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 5: that's like.

752
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: Well, And it's it's finding that middle ground of it's

753
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: not quitting, but it's it's relinquishing control, right, And because

754
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean I can't hustle, and it doesn't mean

755
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: I can't chase my dreams and it doesn't mean that

756
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: I can't go try to outwork everybody and.

757
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Be the best at what I do.

758
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: But it's being content with the result, and he's going

759
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: to choose the result, and he's going to tell you

760
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: when it's time. And that I think is the biggest

761
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: thing for me, Like it's helped me find enjoyment in

762
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: the journey. It's helped me find enjoyment in pure songwriting

763
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: and enjoyment and purely just working on my show to

764
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: have it be the best show that I can be

765
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: and working on myself to be the best husband and

766
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: best dat I can be. And whatever the result of

767
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: that is in physical terms, is going to be what

768
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: it is. But that's not my decision to make. So

769
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: that has been what I'm working on, and you know,

770
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: the there was a time where I felt guilty of

771
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: like praying for a number one song, or praying for

772
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: people to show up to my shows, or praying to

773
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: have a tour bus or you know, why would God

774
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: care about that when there's so many problems in the world.

775
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: But it's God's going to give you your vehicle and

776
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: use you in the way that he needs to use you.

777
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: And it's okay to pray for success but also pray

778
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: for the tools to know how to use it. And

779
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of what I'm working on right now.

780
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: That's good. Yeah, so good. I needed two of us.

781
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stop that.

782
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, though, let's let's go there, because

783
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: I feel like those listening who maybe I have a

784
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: really one of my best friends in the entire world.

785
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: She is the most faithful human being on the planet.

786
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: She is knowledge like, she's knowledgeable, she is close. She's

787
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: got such a heart for God, but she also struggles

788
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: very hard with asking the Lord for the desires of

789
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: her heart. And so we we decided collectively as a

790
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: group of friends that we were going to do the

791
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: esther fast together. She was just like, listen, I've been

792
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: convicted that, you know, I want to ask for what

793
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: I want to ask for. So in the Book of Esther,

794
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: basically Esther she you know, she doesn't eat or drink

795
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: for three days. We did water for three days. But

796
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: she was just like, at the end of this fast,

797
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: we're going to get together and we are going to

798
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: sit in our our robes of gold, and we are

799
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: going to ask God for what we want. She was

800
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: just like, because this is something that I'm struggling with,

801
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: and I want us to do this together. So in

802
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: that sentiment asking the Lord for the desires of your heart,

803
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: for somebody who's listening and wants a tangible way to say, like,

804
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: how do I do that? What prayers are you praying

805
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: to you know? Or what are you telling yourself to

806
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: you know? How do you ask God for the desires

807
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: of your heart without feeling guilty?

808
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: I think that, you know.

809
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I always start is, you know,

810
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: if it be your will, you know, if it's something

811
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: that's in your plans. I would love to have a

812
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: great headline tour this year, and I would I would

813
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: love to sell out these shows. And God please also

814
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: grant me the tools to use that success to help

815
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: share your name and help share your message and to

816
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: make to bring me closer to you. God, Please help

817
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: me be somebody that you would be proud of. Help

818
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: me walk in your light, and please help me take

819
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: these blessings and glorify your name, you know, And whether

820
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: that's you know, having our house be the house in

821
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: the neighborhood that's the open door and the kids can

822
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: come over anytime they want, and all their friends can

823
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: come over and they feel safe and they see, you know,

824
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: a mom and dad that love each other, and you know,

825
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: they feel supported, and they can take that out into

826
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: their world, whether it's bringing new people on the band

827
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: into you know, our touring world and giving them a

828
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: place where they feel supported and a place that they

829
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: feel like they can thrive and start a career and

830
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: build their own family.

831
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: It's it's okay to be blessed.

832
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: It's okay to be thankful for the gifts that you have,

833
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: and it's okay to to have your wants and desires.

834
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: It's just part of being human.

835
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 2: But it's also praying for the tools to you know, God,

836
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: how do I use these blessings that You've given me

837
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: in the best way.

838
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, good God, I don't look at it. I

839
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 5: got four kids, and my two older boys specifically have

840
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: a lot of wants, and they come to me all

841
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: the time, and I don't look at them when they

842
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 5: ask me. Sometimes I look at them and go, dude,

843
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: you don't really want that. I know you say you

844
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: want that, but you don't really want that.

845
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

846
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: Other times, I'm doing everything I can. Most of the time,

847
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 5: I'm doing everything I can as a human average father

848
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 5: that's full of I'm not God even close to it,

849
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: but I do everything I can to figure out how

850
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: to get my boys what they want, even the things

851
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: when I'm like, ah, it's not even I know it's

852
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 5: not the best thing for them, but I'm but I

853
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: never ever I'm like, dude, you're an idiot. Stop wanting

854
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: the wrong thing, not one time, even if they keep

855
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: doing it. Yeah, And I just think to myself, Man,

856
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: if me and my human Jesus would say it, you know,

857
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 5: if it's like if a father of the earthly would

858
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 5: not give his son a scorpion if he asks for

859
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 5: a piece of bread, do you think like your father

860
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: in heaven, who is infinitely more kind and perfect and

861
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 5: loving and one of his names is provider. You think

862
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: he's pissed that you're asking about what you want. He's

863
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: looking at his son or his daughter, gone, how do

864
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: I get this to them? Like, I want to show

865
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 5: them that I love them so much? His desire, He

866
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 5: created us for this. How can I communicate that I

867
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: love this son, this daughter so much? And so I

868
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: just I think the enemy is the accuser, and the

869
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 5: enemy is like, dude, you're you're a jerk for wanting that. Yeah,

870
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 5: and I think that's shame.

871
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: That's like, why would a father and I want his

872
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: child to be happy?

873
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 5: You know?

874
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: And it's and I think that you know, it's it's

875
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: exactly that as dad's we want our kids to be happy,

876
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: and we want to give and we want to provide

877
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: to them. And that's just a fraction of the love

878
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: that we're getting from God. So it's like, of course

879
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: he wants to bless us, but he also wants us

880
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: to give us the tools to understand the value of

881
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: the blessings and you know what directionally we need to

882
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: be putting our stock in.

883
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's I want to know they want to

884
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 5: go to crack about tonight. Yeah, I don't want to

885
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 5: whip out that, you know, the pumpkin soup again for

886
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 5: the freezer. I want to know, I want to go

887
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: to Crack. Do you want to go to Crack? Let's

888
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: go to It's such a good fair, Like what are

889
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: your ages?

890
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Six and eight?

891
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 5: Six and eight, nine and six and then the other

892
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 5: ones that small ones three, I think the small ones,

893
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 5: but like it's such a good for our ages. It's

894
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 5: such a good family. It is kind of an expensive

895
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: trip there because the front shop.

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel, has been pretty good about keeping their prices

897
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: locked in though we on the food.

898
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 5: It's the retail journey through the through the.

899
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: You can make get through the shopping in the beginning

900
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: without any tears, you know it's gonna be a good Yeah.

901
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: I love that. The only Cracker bare of family families.

902
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: Because my daughter Emma, she calls it roll house. She

903
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: loves Texas roadhouse.

904
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm like getting one in my neighborhood, like half a

905
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: mile down the road.

906
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: So we're rejected for the role house.

907
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 4: The rose. She's like, can we go to Rollhouse tonight?

908
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: And I'm like, look at you wanting steak? Got that

909
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: like expensive dayste Okay?

910
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: Love it, man, I'm just thinking about these prayers and

911
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: like asking for the desires of your heart. I feel

912
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: like something I've been learning lately too, is kind of

913
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: in the beginning where you were saying that will be done,

914
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, whatever your will is in

915
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: my prayers. I'm like, this is this is what I'm

916
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: asking for, and this is what I'm believing for. But

917
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: even if it's not what is for me, you're still

918
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: good and learning that recently, like through like a really

919
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: hard time, Like it's just even if this doesn't happen,

920
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: you're still good and clinging to that and knowing that

921
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: it's such a hard concept for people to grasp if

922
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: they're not believers or if they're not you know, fully

923
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: in their walk with Christ. So in those even if

924
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: moments in your life, like say Waterloo Revival for example,

925
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: in the very beginning of your career, you're like, oh,

926
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: this is what I want, this is what I want,

927
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: this is what I want, but it didn't happen for me,

928
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: and you have this time in that moment of this

929
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: even if period before songs go viral on social media

930
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: and then you know, everything starts taking off for you.

931
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: In those moments, what were your prayers.

932
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: Like God, help me find peace in your plan for me.

933
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: That's I always ask for, you know, help me feel

934
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: your presence, help me calm the anxiety, and trust you.

935
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm always asked for him to help me trust him

936
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: because I try to insert myself and I try to

937
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: act like I know better, and I try to move

938
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: in ways that maybe if I would be patient and

939
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: trust him, it would work out. And He's given me

940
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: plenty of examples of that. My first number one song,

941
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: I wrote it, pitched it to Jason al Dean, Jason

942
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: Alden was ready to cut it, take it into the studio,

943
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: and he slowed me down, and I ended up getting

944
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: a record deal and I ended up getting the song back.

945
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: And there was a time where I was like, man,

946
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to go put this out and

947
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: it's not going to do anything. And I just took

948
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: it away from the entertainer of the Year, and you

949
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: know what, this is a huge where I literally kind

950
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: of got bummed out and went on to be my

951
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: first number one song broke me as an artist, and

952
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here today without it. And that was

953
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: God slowing me down and pointing me in the right direction.

954
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: And I've had multiple cases of that.

955
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: I have a duet about to come out this year

956
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: with the biggest artists that I've ever collaborated with, and

957
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: I wrote it two years ago and it was going

958
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: to go another direction with a different artist, and you know,

959
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: God slowed me down with the artist that I wrote

960
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: it with, and we both agreed that, you know, it

961
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: needed to go this other direction. And now it's going

962
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: to be probably the biggest song that I've ever had

963
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: a feature on. And God, God has a plan.

964
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, isn't it awesome? How kind God is?

965
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, just looking back at moments and just being like, oh,

966
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: that's what you were doing. Yeah, those moments are just

967
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: so priceless in life.

968
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: And He would have let us, He would have let

969
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 5: you go and make it happen. But that's the invitation.

970
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: The opportunity is like, hey, you can have it now

971
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: and you can force it, or you can slow down

972
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 5: and listen and hit the bulls eye. And I think accuracy,

973
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: the unprecedented accuracy. You know, I'm hunting that too. Of

974
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: like God, I don't want to just keep like, oh,

975
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: let's just try this, try this. Ten eynes in the fire,

976
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 5: But like slow down and aim well, and that's what

977
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: I hear in Like, that's so cool to hear that.

978
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 5: Just yeah, I had this song and then it was

979
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: just like, no, you know what doesn't feel like let

980
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 5: me just keep that tension a little bit longer and

981
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 5: then bang it and then it hits the bulls eye

982
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 5: and then you're like, it's pretty awesome.

983
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: And it's being.

984
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Able to listen to the pivot without doubting, you know,

985
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: And that was I struggled.

986
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: That's so hard.

987
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: No, this is what I initially set my side on

988
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to take my eyes off because

989
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: this is a path that I wanted to be on

990
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: and that's the only path I'm going to go down.

991
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: And it's when you let him guide, you take turns,

992
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: listen to him, slow down, and talk to God enough

993
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: to hear him talk back, is when you land where

994
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: you need to be.

995
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love for you to give some just advice

996
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: to anybody that might be watching or listening to the

997
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: podcast that just might feel like they're in a season

998
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: of God. I don't know what to do now. I'm

999
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: not sure where my steps are supposed to go. Help

1000
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: me figure out what to do. Those people that are

1001
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: in those doubting seasons or those anxious, you know, seasons

1002
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: of like what is happening? What is some something that

1003
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: you'd speak into them.

1004
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I would just say patience and

1005
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: trust the process, and know that God is good, and

1006
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: know that He loves you and does have a plan

1007
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: for you. I moved to town ten years before I

1008
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: had my first hit ten years and fan and trailer

1009
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: of playing Nobody shows of anxiousness of wondering if it's

1010
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: ever going to happen. But I really feel very strongly

1011
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: that if you talk to God enough, you will hear

1012
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: him talk back. And if you ask him for direction,

1013
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: if you ask him for comfort, if you ask him

1014
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: for peace, which I do almost every day, he will

1015
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: eventually start to show you his plans. And then also,

1016
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I was blind to forever

1017
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: because I was chasing fame and fortune and famous friends

1018
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: and shiny lights is pay attention to the people that

1019
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: God is putting in your life for a reason and

1020
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: lean into them, because He is everywhere, and you do

1021
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: have real friends, and you do have people that will

1022
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: help you get closer to God, and that will help

1023
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: you understand God more and people that will help you

1024
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: in your journey, and all of us, whether we know

1025
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: it or not, have people that He has put there

1026
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: to be resources and be support for us. Pay attention

1027
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: and find them.

1028
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good.

1029
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: We always like to end the podcast with sort of

1030
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: just things in your life right now that maybe you

1031
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 3: and your wife and your family.

1032
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: What are you guys praying for right now?

1033
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: That's a great question. We are praying for, well, it's

1034
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: a pretty long list.

1035
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Is a family because we do it every day.

1036
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is we prayed for continued

1037
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: closeness as a family. We pray to also be like

1038
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: good resources and friends and a light that help shine God.

1039
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 5: In the world.

1040
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: We pray for safe travel because we're on the road

1041
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: all the time. And then you know, we're always praying

1042
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: for peace. This is a wild world and there's a

1043
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: lot going on, but just for God to have a

1044
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: hand in our life, for his voice to be heard,

1045
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: and for him to help guide us.

1046
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah all that all right?

1047
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: Well, Holy Spirit's asking you to pray today usually close

1048
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: things out, but theirs, like Mark Mark Mark, so.

1049
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely, God, we just we humble ourselves just right now

1050
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 5: and we just bring to you all of these prayer

1051
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: requests goded this the success pointed to you as a lighthouse.

1052
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: I just thank you for this incredible family that they

1053
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 5: have been raised up for such a time as this God,

1054
00:48:52,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: that you have trusted, You've you have entrusted, literally trusted

1055
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: this season to a man and and a family with

1056
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: deep integrity and roots in you. I thank you for

1057
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 5: the process. I thank you for the pain, not because

1058
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 5: it makes sense, but because you were near through the

1059
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 5: whole thing, and you were close and you're close now.

1060
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 5: And I just pray, just even over this duet, I

1061
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: just feel like God, that there would be a blessing

1062
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 5: God in a grace on it like never before. I

1063
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 5: pray for the safe travel and the touring. I pray

1064
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: for you know. I just feel right now as we're praying,

1065
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 5: like God wants to give you like blueprints that are

1066
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 5: like different ways of doing things. Like it's like God

1067
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 5: wants to not in a contrarian way, but it's like

1068
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 5: he wants to give you keys and pathways even for

1069
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 5: the industry of changing it up. And I don't know

1070
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 5: what's in your heart as far as the ideas, but

1071
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 5: that there's supernatural ideas and keys to change up, change

1072
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: up the game. And I think you see things that

1073
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: other people don't see in terms of the past ways

1074
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 5: to what would lead to health in people's hearts. And

1075
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 5: I really think it's around health and it's around like

1076
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: just supernatural key. So God, I just pray for ideas,

1077
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 5: like from heaven. I pray for dreams, God to open

1078
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 5: up fresh ideas. The annoying on his life to build

1079
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 5: and to to architect, Like there's an architect anoying, and

1080
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 5: so I just pray for supernatural ideas. God for a

1081
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 5: blessing for innovation. God, I see it in songs. I

1082
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: also see it. Thank you, Lord for your hand on

1083
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 5: his life. Lord, this Daniel annoying God of this consistent Lord,

1084
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: you're raising him up. So we just bless his family,

1085
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Speaker 5: his children, health and friendship and just great team of

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Speaker 5: bless his band around him on the road. In Jesus

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Speaker 5: Mighty name, we pray Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely sorry I went into a little bit of but

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Speaker 5: I do feel, Bro, there's an architect like you kind

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Speaker 5: of see the pathways and like God wants to give

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Speaker 5: you that like the supernatural whatever. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: it looks like.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn how to listen. So thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you for saying that broke.

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Speaker 1: That was amazing. You guys are awesome.