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Speaker 1: some not so good. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode nine

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Speaker 1: fifty four, and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Pooda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 3: dot Com slash podcast.

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Speaker 4: Right up the five hit to the end zone for

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Speaker 3: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So I surprised Paul on Monday. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: Way of saying because fast, and I think it's because

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Speaker 1: I'd be very curious to see what Collier is capable

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that could be a situation where Collier could

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Speaker 4: he's healthy enough to go, and then if that's not

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Speaker 4: It looked like he was moving gingerly like no timinous,

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Speaker 1: Collier looked really, really good. That Cardinals defense is in

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Speaker 4: This is just it's so tough to kind of circle

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Speaker 4: He makes every contested catch that comes his way. It

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Speaker 1: Adams has been deadly inside the twenty yard line. Twelve

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Speaker 1: He's been that goal, He's been that touchdown threat, and

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Speaker 4: I have one player in mind who I feel pretty

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Speaker 1: This year, he is talking about Josh Sweat fourth in sacks,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on himself to perform, especially

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Speaker 1: You and I had several conversations in the offseason about

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Speaker 1: six percent of the defensive snaps he's played. Last year

438
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Speaker 1: was closer to sixty three. Twenty twenty three, he was

439
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Speaker 1: on the field for seventy one percent of the defensive snaps.

440
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Speaker 2: You mentioned it.

441
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Speaker 1: This defensive staff loves the rotation, wants to keep guys fresh.

442
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon, I wouldn't say you dismissed the question, but

443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: liked when Darren Urban asked about the rotation and Josh's

444
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: snap counts. We like him where he's at. That's fine.

445
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Speaker 1: I just wondered in the offseason, based off what we

446
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Speaker 1: heard a year ago when the topic became Garrett Williams,

447
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: looking at what Garrett did last season, Wait a second,

448
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: he's our best, one of our eleven best players on

449
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Speaker 1: the field.

450
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Speaker 2: Why is he on the sideline so much? Now?

451
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Speaker 1: I get it, different positions. You asked differently from a

452
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: corner versus someone who's going up against three hundred pound

453
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. To me, I would like to see that

454
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Speaker 1: snap percentage a little bit more based off of the

455
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Speaker 1: production that you're getting from him.

456
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Speaker 4: I don't disagree, and in large part because you need

457
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Speaker 4: more from that group. And look, the season is coming

458
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: to a close in the next couple of weeks, and

459
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Speaker 4: so a lot can and every year changes in the offseason,

460
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 4: right of personnel and what's going to happen. But you

461
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: need more of a pass rush moving forward than what

462
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Speaker 4: you're really getting. And as great as it is for

463
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 4: Kalais Campbell, the thirty nine year old, eighteen year veteran,

464
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Speaker 4: to be as disruptive as he's been, you don't want

465
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Speaker 4: him to be your number two most disruptive defensive player

466
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: behind Sweat. You need more around Sweat. The players around

467
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 4: him need to generate more pressure and take advantage of

468
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Speaker 4: the wins. That's what is getting, take advantage of the

469
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Speaker 4: offensive attention that number ten is getting. I'm right there

470
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Speaker 4: with you, though. If Sweat is winning his one on

471
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Speaker 4: ones physically and mentally, he can handle a heavier workload,

472
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Speaker 4: which yes, he's done in the past, although I will

473
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Speaker 4: see again very different defense in Philadelphia and what was

474
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Speaker 4: being asked if he can handle that absolutely, Like, I'm

475
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 4: right there with you. I would love to see him

476
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: on the field more because truly he's the one generating

477
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Speaker 4: a lot of this pressure. Now we've talked about one

478
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: of sweat sacks in Dallas came from interior pressure from

479
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Speaker 4: Nolan Right, there was a bull rush from Zavon Collins

480
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: that flushed a quarterback and Sweat finished the job. So

481
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Speaker 4: it's not to say that other players are not contributing

482
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Speaker 4: at all, but no one is contributing near the level

483
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Speaker 4: of Sweat.

484
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Speaker 1: You would like to see more out of the other

485
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Speaker 1: outside linebackers on the opposite side. Baron Browning two sacks,

486
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Speaker 1: Zavan Collins one sack, Jordan Birch one sack. Now, it's

487
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: not to say that they're not doing their job, because

488
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Speaker 1: as JG reminds us constantly, sacks aren't a win in

489
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Speaker 1: stat Yet it does show that you're getting home on pressures,

490
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Speaker 1: and I would like to see guys getting home more

491
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Speaker 1: on the other side of wherever Josh Wett lines up

492
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Speaker 1: and then you look at Okay, well, are there enough

493
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Speaker 1: opportunities for Josh Sweat and the other outside linebackers to

494
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Speaker 1: get sex. Are there known passing situations? Are you getting

495
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Speaker 1: the opposing offense and second and long and third and long?

496
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Speaker 1: Because again I look at next gen stats, maybe not

497
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Speaker 1: in apples to apples comparison, but looking at some of

498
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Speaker 1: these numbers. As far as the guys in the league

499
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Speaker 1: who have double digit sacks, Miles Garrett leads a league

500
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Speaker 1: in sacks. He has three hundred and twenty four pass rushes.

501
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: Josh Wett has two sixty seven. Now Miles Garrett is

502
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: playing more, almost eighty percent of the defensive snaps, so

503
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Speaker 1: I would have to do a deeper dive as far as, Okay,

504
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Speaker 1: does Miles Garrett have more pass rushes because he's playing

505
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: more or the Cliff Brown's defense has gotten more obvious

506
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: passing situations?

507
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Speaker 4: That's the way question. Is that is that total snapcount

508
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: or is that I just passed?

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not snapcount. This is pass rushes.

510
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Speaker 4: They think of the games that have been close and

511
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: the Cardinals are trying to come back and their.

512
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Speaker 1: Offenses they're trailing too much, so there's.

513
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Speaker 4: Nothing the ball to try. It's it's nuanced. I can

514
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: I can understand where there's a sense of correlation and

515
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: looking into reasons of Okay, like let's see how he

516
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: is playing for whatever category amongst players across the league.

517
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Speaker 4: There's just like the way that the team has performed

518
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: as a whole, Like it's tough. I'm not sure that

519
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: the Cardinals have had a lot of situations where they're

520
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: in obvious passing downs to have Sweat out.

521
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Speaker 1: There, and that might be the bigger question that needs

522
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Speaker 1: to be asked. Okay, how do we get more pass

523
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Speaker 1: rush opportunities?

524
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Speaker 4: And now you're opening things up.

525
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Flora, Joshua Flora, Baron Browning and whoever might be on

526
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Speaker 1: the other side. Because I'll say this, it's not like sacks.

527
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: The eleven sacks that Josh has it, they're not meaningless sacks.

528
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Speaker 1: Five of the eleven have come on out of the

529
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: third or fourth down, meaning you're getting off the field

530
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: as a defense. Three times this season he's had two

531
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Speaker 1: sacks and then the strip sacks. The Cardinals have recovered

532
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: two of the four strip sacks. So he is due again,

533
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Speaker 1: Josh Sweat is doing his part. He's well worth the

534
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: money that he is getting paid selfishly Again, can he

535
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Speaker 1: do more. Is it possible to have another level like

536
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: Trey McBride last season outstanding twenty twenty four. He's elevated

537
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: his game though in twenty twenty five. What's the next

538
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: level for Josh Sweat to reach within this defense?

539
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Speaker 4: And it's not just on one player. I would be

540
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: curious in a hypothetical world what Sweat's numbers would look

541
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Speaker 4: like if there were a healthy Walter Nolan for an

542
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Speaker 4: entire season. Small sample size three and a half games.

543
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Speaker 4: Those three and a half games, Nolan was not only

544
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Speaker 4: wreaking havoc himself, he was generating so much disruption that

545
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: everyone around him was succeeding. I don't find a coincidental

546
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Speaker 4: That was around the same time we started hearing the

547
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: coaching staff go out of their way to praise Darius

548
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: Robinson because Nolan was being so disruptive and that allowed

549
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: Robinson to pick up his game. Josh Sweat had a

550
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: couple of sacks once Nolan was playing. It's hypothetical, right,

551
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: and you know you can't have someone only play well

552
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 4: per se based off someone else being in the lineup.

553
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Speaker 4: But I will be curious. That's a really good comparison

554
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Speaker 4: of seeing McBride take on a heavier load and what

555
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: that looks like moving forward for sweat. You should say

556
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: that to him in the locker room, said, aren't just

557
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: playing one hundred times SATs. I know how you got

558
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: it in you. I know you can do it, Josh.

559
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get And what a.

560
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Great celebration he has, by the way, the nice little

561
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Speaker 4: sweat flicking, the sweat drops off his helmet.

562
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Speaker 1: Look, he is a fascinating conversation away from like just football,

563
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and again your interview with him or sit down on

564
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: sideline exchange, he is a fascinating individual on the field,

565
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: extremely productive off the field, just a dynamic personality and

566
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: just like whatever you need from me, I'll do. And

567
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that was the other during you know, the in house

568
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals media day. I was one that had to walk

569
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: him from station to station and at that time, you know,

570
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: just arrived, didn't really want, didn't didn't seek out the attention,

571
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Speaker 1: but understood again based off the contract, the big splash

572
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: and coming in that Okay, what do you need me

573
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Speaker 1: to do? And he did everything and continues to do everything.

574
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Speaker 1: And this week on Thursday, he's gonna be on the

575
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Speaker 1: big Red Rage and maybe we can get Paul to

576
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: ask him about playing more snaps, and.

577
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: Paul asks, what is a really great intriguing person to

578
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: speak with. It's similar to how I feel about Tray McBride.

579
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Speaker 4: When you watch McBride play, he's a beast. I mean

580
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: he's he's a monster and the passion he plays with

581
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: and you can see the fuel and you can see

582
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: him talking some trash to the defenses he's going against.

583
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: Anytime he takes the helmet off and you see him

584
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: walking around the facility or in the locker room, he's

585
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: got a smile plastered on his face like at all times,

586
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: just the jolliest, happiest person in the locker room. And

587
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: similar to Josh Sweat, he goes up against three hundred

588
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: pound offensive lineman on a consistent basis and wins and

589
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: to play a role in the trenches, in my opinion, mentally,

590
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: you've got to have a different kind of level that

591
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: nobody else is capable of to put yourself through that

592
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: physically and mentally to sit down with Sweat and just

593
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: have a conversation. Even before we start a recording, he's

594
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Speaker 4: just so laid back, very chill, more of an introvert,

595
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Speaker 4: and I do find it crazy that he is finding

596
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Speaker 4: as much success as he is, I mean physically right

597
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: in his play when I learned that he doesn't cook,

598
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: said he lives like a college student, doesn't have plates,

599
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: cups or silverware. He just has drinks in the fridge.

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Speaker 4: You know what, whatever works.

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Speaker 1: Here's an interesting I don't know how we would be

602
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: able to do this. It will be able to convince

603
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Josh to do this. But for one of our off

604
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: season projects, could we like be invited to dinner at

605
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Josh's place of residences to cook?

606
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

607
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: I just I don't know. Trying to picture like hype

608
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: himself up as a great coach.

609
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Speaker 2: Does he have a kitchen table? I mean, is there

610
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: a stove? Is there an oven?

611
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: All those things come with the blaze. Now the kitchen table,

612
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: that's a good question. I didn't follow up with that.

613
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Is it just a couch and a coffee table and TV?

614
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: And just he truly is living like a college student

615
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: the way he said he was. I'm going to guess

616
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: no kitchen table.

617
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: Josh, though, does get to do a good job of

618
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: like flipping the switch, because there is a different mentality

619
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Speaker 1: when you cross over the lines and get ready for

620
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: action on the field. It's similar to Paris Johnson Junior

621
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Speaker 1: because he's another one of those guys who always has

622
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: a smile on his face, always willing to joke. Yet

623
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Speaker 1: once it's time to play, whether it's practice or the game,

624
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: you're on that sideline during pregame warm ups. There is

625
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: no more intense individual than Paris.

626
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: The moment he steps out of his car and has

627
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 4: his photos taken for arrival, you can see it in

628
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: his eyes. And it's not like a twinkle in his

629
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: eyes where you know Johnson as you know, you can

630
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: see the eagerness to play. It's scary in a good way, right,

631
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Speaker 4: That's what I would have want out of my franchise

632
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: left tackle. But man, you can see the intensity from

633
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: the moment Johnson arrives at the stadium, which I'm assuming

634
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: actually starts on his drive when he gets into the

635
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: car heading to the stadium. It's there's a reason he

636
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: breaks down the huddles one game day, not just with

637
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: the lineman but with the whole team.

638
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: Now, without giving anything away, did you feel that intensity

639
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: when you sat down with Paris for sideline exchange?

640
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: To a certain extent, when when talking about thankfully not

641
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: to that level. Talked about just his play. This is

642
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: the first time in his career, dating back to high school,

643
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: he's played the same position in back to back years,

644
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: so we talked about the consistency there on the left

645
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: side and where he's seeing his game progress from that.

646
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: Talked about Josh Sweat actually as well as Kalay's Campbell

647
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: and how the two of them have made him play

648
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: better on Sundays, just facing those two players throughout the week.

649
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: And we talked about some off the field stuff. You know,

650
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: he's doing a lot of great work, not just in

651
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: the community here locally a lot through the Pat Tillman Foundation,

652
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: his own foundation as well in his home state of Ohio,

653
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: and really giving back and making an impact along a

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Speaker 4: lot of young offensive lineman in high school. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to spoil it too much. I did talk a

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Speaker 4: little bit about with the holiday season coming up, gift

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Speaker 4: giving and receiving with the offensive lineman because they do

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Speaker 4: white Elephant. I'm not going to spoil what the minimum

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Speaker 4: spending amount.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 4: It's more than you're imagining, So tune in if you

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Speaker 4: want to hear what they're spending and they can't tell me.

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Speaker 4: Off air, he told me there are a few he

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Speaker 4: knows for a fact, just because he knows them are

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Speaker 4: going to go above that limit, himself included, which is

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Speaker 4: nice of them, right, But he did also make clear

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Speaker 4: that off camera that the receipt the gift for seat

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Speaker 4: is required, which I thought was pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: You don't like it, Yeah, white elephant among your friends

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Speaker 1: is usually what twenty twenty five well for.

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Speaker 4: Us Cross Frost foken in.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of offensive linemen who are making I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not gonna mouth, but time's that number by a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So we look forward to that on Easycardinals

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Speaker 1: dot Com and the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube page. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Josh wet Paras Johnson Junior Train McBride, I

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Speaker 1: think we're all in agreement they are well deserved for

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl consideration. Pro Bowl voting is open and ready

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Speaker 1: to select your favorite Arizona Cardinals players, Asycardinals dot Com,

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. I don't think there's any doubt that

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Speaker 1: Trey McBride should be voted in. Josh Swat as well,

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Speaker 1: left tackle, it becomes a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: arms race when it comes to but I think Paris

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Speaker 1: Johnson is if he's not on the doorstep, he's knocking

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Speaker 1: on the door and almost ready to walk in.

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Speaker 4: And it's that on a three to nineteen Johnson being

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Speaker 4: as high as he is an NFC voting because once

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Speaker 4: you start getting those lineman positions a lot, especially offensive

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Speaker 4: linemen where the numbers aren't as splashy as other positions,

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Speaker 4: a lot of times your team has to be playing

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Speaker 4: really well to be like quote unquote a name that

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Speaker 4: people will vote for. It is a third of the

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Speaker 4: votes from the fans, a third from the coaches, and

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Speaker 4: a third from the players.

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Speaker 1: Again, that's Azycardinals dot Com and NFL dot Com. One

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Speaker 1: other note on the offensive line, and that is again

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Speaker 1: you brought it up earlier as far as okay, you

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Speaker 1: got five games left to go, playoffs are out of

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Speaker 1: the reach. Yet what do you get to play for? Well, one,

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Speaker 1: it's your job, so you should play and play with

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Speaker 1: some motivation. And I do think there are a handful

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Speaker 1: of players that these five games can be very important,

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Speaker 1: whether for this team or someone else across the league.

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Speaker 1: But when you're looking at those young players, now most

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Speaker 1: of the young players have already playing, but these snaps,

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Speaker 1: these games reps what they can do. And I look

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Speaker 1: specifically at an Isaiah Adams who got his job back

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Speaker 1: last week at right guard, and what these final five games,

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Speaker 1: including two against the Rams and a defensive front that

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Speaker 1: we hyped up what those might be able to do

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Speaker 1: for his confidence going into the offseason because it was

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Speaker 1: again a large talking point last offseason, what do you

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Speaker 1: do at right guard? We thought we had an answer,

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Speaker 1: then we didn't because well, Hernandez came back, and now

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Speaker 1: maybe we're discussing right guard again going into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Proof that Gannon is correct when he says that game

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Speaker 4: reps are the most valuable and you just can't replicate

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Speaker 4: those in practice. Adams earned the starting role to start

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Speaker 4: of the year, looked okay, and then they brought back

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Speaker 4: Will Hernandez, who looked good last year before he got

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Speaker 4: hurt Week four of the season. We three week four

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Speaker 4: of the previous year, and so they have Hernandez start playing,

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Speaker 4: and the offensive line at that point as a whole

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Speaker 4: was just not really clicking and the run game was

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Speaker 4: going specifically. Then Hernandez gets hurt and you start rotating

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Speaker 4: in and now having Adams start and play, and he's

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Speaker 4: looked good. You can see improvement in his strength and

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Speaker 4: consistently keeping his defender out of the quarterback's face. So

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Speaker 4: that's good to see that a young player who's getting

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Speaker 4: valuable reps is making the most of them and learning

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Speaker 4: from them. And even though Gannon said his press conference Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to intentionally start playing younger players these

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Speaker 4: last few days games to get them reps, you're kind

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Speaker 4: of at that point to a certain extent now that

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Speaker 4: you're dealing with so many injuries and players that are

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Speaker 4: banged up. And rookie cornerback Denzel Burke is a great

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Speaker 4: example somebody who was playing sporadically when they needed him

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Speaker 4: to earlier in the year, and then consistent injuries too.

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson and Max Melton have thrust Burke into the

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Speaker 4: spotlight outside of special teams, outside of a handful of

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Speaker 4: defensive snaps, and he's looked good. He's played clean football,

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Speaker 4: hasn't drawn a lot of penalties. Quarterbacks aren't necessarily targeting

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Speaker 4: the rookie Cody Simon middle linebacker. With Mac Wilson Senior

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Speaker 4: still being out with that ribs injury, so you're already

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Speaker 4: at the point where younger players are getting valuable snaps.

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Speaker 4: And at this point, I mean that really is crucial

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Speaker 4: to see who are they going to continue to build

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Speaker 4: this team around as you inch closer towards the offseason.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Denzel one of only two rookies to

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Speaker 1: have seven or more passes defense and two or more interceptions,

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Speaker 1: So yes, he is playing. And I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: list of rookies as far as the draft class and

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, I mean, everyone is already playing. Keaton

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Speaker 1: Crawford maybe does he see some more defensive snaps? As

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Speaker 1: far as guys that you want to get valuable reps?

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Speaker 1: Does Jordan Birch's snap count increase over these final five games?

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Speaker 1: And then you've got a Hayden Connor who was just

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Speaker 1: added to the fifty three man roster. Is he ready

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Speaker 1: to see game action? And Josh Fryar, who have seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of as that sixth offensive lineman. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to see him though with a position, whether that's

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Speaker 1: a guard or a tackle. Again, that's just something to

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Speaker 1: think about. But you pointed out that JG says, no,

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Speaker 1: we're just looking to bench guys to play but there's

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Speaker 1: not very many guys that you would elevate anyway.

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Speaker 2: Because they're already playing.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to take out Evan Brown at left

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Speaker 4: guard if he's healthy and able to play, just to

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Speaker 4: say we want to see Josh Fryer play left like,

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Speaker 4: you're not going to do that. I mean, these players

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Speaker 4: and coaches are still playing and coaching for their jobs

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Speaker 4: and they want to go out and they want to

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Speaker 4: win games.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Rams coming up on Sunday. You'll see

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Speaker 1: the Rams twice in these final five games. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: a challenge, a test to end this twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: and hopefully again you don't believe in momentum, Jonathan Ganna

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Speaker 1: doesn't believe momentum, but confidence, I do believe carries over

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Speaker 1: from one season to the next individually. And then maybe,

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Speaker 1: as you talked about earlier with the pass catchers and

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Speaker 1: Michael Marvin and Trey can you can you come up

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Speaker 1: with some kind of a plan or a foundation to

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Speaker 1: build towards next season when it comes to figuring out

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Speaker 1: how to distribute the targets effectively, not making sure everyone's

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Speaker 1: got the same number. But when's the best way or

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Speaker 1: how's the best way to target the wide receiver of

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Speaker 1: the tight end and move this football up and down

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Speaker 1: the field.

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Speaker 4: Cardinals smacked the Rams at home last year. That's true

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Speaker 4: handedly and that was when Harrison as a rookie at

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Speaker 4: his first two touchdowns of his career Week two, one

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Speaker 4: of the first one and the fourth quarter, both of

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Speaker 4: which were beautiful. A lot of things have changed since then.

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Speaker 4: One of the more important positions that's out of change

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Speaker 4: has been quarterback, as Kyler Murray remains silented this week

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Speaker 4: with a foot injury that keeps him on IR so

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Speaker 4: it'll still be Jacoby Brissett. It's going to be a challenge,

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Speaker 4: but I do think it's a good sign that the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals continue to be in these close games with top

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Speaker 4: teams around the league, which which means they're close, close

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Speaker 4: enough to make the playoffs. No, I understand that's not possible,

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Speaker 4: but close enough to say, Okay, we get a good

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Speaker 4: sense of the foundation and who we want to keep them,

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Speaker 4: what we want to continue to build off of, moving

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Speaker 4: forward and real quick on kyin of a sidebars, I

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Speaker 4: know Zach Gershman will join you on Cover two Friday,

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Speaker 4: and so he'll be able to talk more about it,

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Speaker 4: but leading up to that, he's worked really hard on

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Speaker 4: a really important story around Bersett on the quarterback talking

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Speaker 4: about his mental health journey and going to therapy and

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Speaker 4: being opening about that to the media and how that's

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Speaker 4: helped him on a personal and professional level. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I went out right before this podcast dropped, so I

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Speaker 4: haven't had a chance to fully read it. I've just

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Speaker 4: seen like a few snippets, but I know that he's

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Speaker 4: worked really hard and that's a really important story and

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Speaker 4: topic to share. So go ahead and take a look

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Speaker 4: on the on Asycardinals dot Com before listening to Zach.

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Speaker 1: On Friday, a little bit of a behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: on Jacoby Brissett on how he arrived to where he

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Speaker 1: is right now mentally. And I opening to read the

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Speaker 1: first two paragraphs again Azycardinals dot Com to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you thought you've made it, yet you're not fulfilled, And

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Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that. And the journey that

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Speaker 1: not only Jacobe, but I'm sure a handful of other

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Speaker 1: players in that Cardinals locker room crossed the league as

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Speaker 1: far as Hey, I'm dealing with it too, But no

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Speaker 1: one wants to take the step forward and say look

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Speaker 1: at me, or how do I get help?

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Speaker 4: Such an important topic. I mean especially look especially on

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Speaker 4: the heels of the tragedy in Dallas with their defensive linemen,

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Speaker 4: and I know that the Cardinals, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's required, I would imagine every team at this point,

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Speaker 4: but the Cardinals have a sports psychiatrist on hand around

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Speaker 4: like that. This is an important topic, especially around the

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Speaker 4: day and age of social media and how freely people

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Speaker 4: talk as horribly as they do to athletes, especially when

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Speaker 4: they're gambling and there's money online and all kinds of things.

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Speaker 4: So a very important topic. So I'm very excited to

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Speaker 4: read through that.

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Speaker 1: When we wrap up here, I'm glad you brought it up,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, why don't you go read that, and then

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Speaker 1: when you're done with that, you can put your antlers

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Speaker 1: back on your car Boo, no.

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Speaker 2: Fun, Danny, no fun.

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Speaker 4: Fine, this is the one thing I'm a scrooge on

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Speaker 4: Fini on the Hill.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals and Rams coming up on Sunday again.

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Speaker 1: More on that coming up later on in the week,

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Speaker 1: when Zach Gershman will join me. In the meantime, go

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Speaker 1: to Easycardinals dot com for all the news and certainly

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Speaker 1: Zach's article on Jacoby Brissett's and mental health, and on

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Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Covered two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Momhandro our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Danny Surek,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Rayal Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two,