1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: It happens every single year, every year, and it's going 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: to happen in the draft where somebody saw something at 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: the Combine and maybe change their opinion or elevated their opinion, 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: or maybe lowered their opinion. All I care about is 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: what did you do on Saturdays Sunday. Nobody's blocking, nobody's tackling. Okay, 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: you get to jump, you get to run, you get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: to throw, lift weights, interviews, medicals. I get all of that. Now. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: If something happened with your medicals, I understand why you 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: would fall. But the forty yard dash, I'm not that 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: interested in how many times you can lift two hundred 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds, I'm not interested in. Now there's 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: the cone drills. There's certain drills for receivers that I'm 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: very interested in. But I think we get caught up 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: because there's nothing going on, and it's like, okay, it's 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: kind of football, and then you're gonna see these guys 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: on draft night and you're gonna go and I remember 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: him at the combine. Every year there's one or two 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: guys that elevate their status and all of a sudden 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: they change draft boards. Anthony Richardson, Oh my gosh. Now, 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: when I watched him, there were times when I went 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: man and then other times I go man. And now 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: the Colts have said to him, you can work on 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: a trade if you want too. Kind of signals you've 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: moved on from Anthony Richardson, Yes see, Yeah, I. 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: Think the combine is important for some positions. It is 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: much more important for some positions than others. You know, 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: I think if you're looking at edge rushers in particular, 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: if you're looking at how explosive they are, those those 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: are all numbers. The forty time might not necessarily be 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: the most important. How many times are they going to 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: run forty yards? But you're just getting a glimpse at 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: how many times are they going to have to use 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: their vertical like that? Probably not many, but you're just 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: getting an idea of how athletic they really are, and 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: that's something that I think is pretty important if you 38 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: play that position. 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk to Lewis Riddick about that. 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: That. 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: There are certain positions with certain drills where you go, okay, 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: now a vertical for an edge rusher. Yeah, yeah, I'm 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: okay with that because you're going to be jumping up, 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, knocking down passes. Maybe you use that person 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: to block field goals. I think there are elements of 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: these skills that you can use on Sunday forty yard dash. 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: Not as interested, but I am interested in what's your 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: time for the first ten yards of that? Because that's football? 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: The first five yards of that? Yeah, Seaton, Yeah. Like 50 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: this kid. 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: David Bailey from Texas Tech. Right, he made himself some money. 52 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. He he's six three, two fifty his 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: times if you look at the way all of his 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: measurements broke down, He's faster than Antonio Kramarti, quicker than 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: Devonte Adams, jumps higher than aj Green, and he's more 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 3: explosive than Adrian Peterson and heavier than Von Miller. 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Those are crazy numbers. But I want to know what 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: he did in college because Shamar Stewart of Texas A 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: and M we went to the Bengals. But with the 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: fifteenth pick, he had great numbers, but he didn't have 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: He had four sacks in college and he's an edge rusher. 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: That would concern me when you see somebody has all 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: that talent and you go, well, what do you do 64 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: in college? And then you go, oh, that's where I 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: would use the numbers against that player. But I guarantee 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: you there'll be a couple of players who are selected 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 2: higher than they should be. Now, one scout already told 68 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: me he had nineteen first round grades. So we know 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: that there are more than nineteen picks in the first round, 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: so there are going to be check and see, Okay, 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: there's going to be eleven players taken higher than they 72 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: should be. So factor that in that he had nineteen 73 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: first round grades. But you know, this happens every single year. 74 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember Vernon Golston and I'm going that 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: guy is going to be He's going to be an 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: All Pro for ten years. Who is that? Justin Gilbert 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: who was going to the Cleveland Browns he was going 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: to be the next Dion. I mean every single year 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: there's at least one guy that we go, oh my god. 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: I mean Jidavian Clowney, if you think about it, had 81 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: a disappointing career. The expectations were off the chart. So 82 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, by comparison, it was like, Okay, had a 83 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: decent career. But it's because we just we fall in 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: love when you're not competing against anybody. Now, there were 85 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: some throws yesterday, like Ty Simpson had I think a 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: pretty good day, Carson Beck, I think had a pretty 87 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: good day. But they're just throwing the football. I want 88 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: to see what you do on Saturdays. And because of that, 89 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: do I want Carson Beck? Do I want Ty Simpson? 90 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: Is somebody gonna go all in in the first round, 91 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: which they probably will for Ty Simpson. Okay, happens every 92 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: single year. But that's the fun part of this. And 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: here's another thing. At the combine. That's where you get 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: your director of player personnel. That's where you might get 95 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: your president. That's where you'll get a coach and or GM. 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: These are guys who haven't been studying this. They've been 97 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: working on their day job. Now you're going to come 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: in and this will happen. You have your own scouting 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: department who spent the entire off or the entire college 100 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: football season, and now we get to the off season, 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: and now the experts come in and they're going to 102 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: overrule the scouts who have spent all of this time 103 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: giving grades to these players because somebody's gonna go, man, 104 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: he's fast, he can jump high. We're gonna take him. 105 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: And that's where your scouts will say, you know, hey, 106 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: we got a second round grade on it. Well, we 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: don't want to lose him. No, not that they sound 108 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: like that, but you don't want your front office. 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: People, I hear that on Hard Knocks all the time, 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: actually don't want to lose him. 111 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it could be the Giants front office. Yeah, yeah, 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: you're free to go and seek a trade. Saquon Wait 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: where are you going? Philadelphia? See yeah, Pauli. 114 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: Going back to that player seat mentioned David Bailey of 115 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 5: Texas Tech. He had everything at the combine. He broke 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 5: all the records and had these great numbers, but he 117 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: also had the performance during the season at Texas Tech 118 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 5: last year fourteen and a half sacks, twenty tackles for losses, 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 5: both led the United States, both led NCAA. 120 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with that. So he only led in 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: the United States, not in Europe. 122 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 5: But there's a guy who didn't didn't have three sacks 123 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 5: out of the combine. 124 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's fun. And then there's the interviewing 125 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: part of this, and Johnny manziel Ace the interviewing part 126 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: of this because he's such a hustler. You can't. You 127 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 2: can get coached up to do the interviews. But then 128 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: Todd mcshae was, you know, the draft analyst. He had 129 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: this to say about the USC wide receiver Mkai Lemon. 130 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: He didn't do well being interviewed. 131 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 6: The fact of the matter is, again talking to general 132 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 6: managers in the league, the interview process is going a 133 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: lot better for the other two Tyson and Tate than 134 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 6: it is for McKay Lemon. 135 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: And you know, me, like, I'm a Lemon guy, So 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: that part's interesting. 137 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 6: But I'm just saying there are teams out there that 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 6: may have him in a bucket, and there are teams 139 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 6: out there that I specifically talked to that appreciated what 140 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 6: they got out of the interviews from Jordan Tyson and 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 6: Carnell Tate more than they did from the mckaye Lemon ones. 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: So be that as it may. Now, Lemon's a great player. 143 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: He really is. I think he's undersized, but I think, 144 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: you know, at USC, he was great, and mel Kiper 145 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: loves him. Mel Kiper is like that guy plays football. 146 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: But the interviewing process, and by most accounts, he kind 147 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: of turned people off that he was he was making 148 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: weird eye contact. I don't know what he was doing. 149 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: It almost felt like he was auditioning for a role 150 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: or a documentary or I don't know what he was doing, 151 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: but you know, one guy to described it is, I 152 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: don't know if he's trying to seduce me. I'm not 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: sure what's going on because he just had these weird 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: looks at people. And I don't know what that if 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: that matters, you know, can you play on Saturday? Can 156 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: you play on Sunday? All right, you're quirky, you're a 157 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: little weird. Everybody made a big deal about Kati Williamsy 158 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: paints his fingernails. I go, I couldn't care less. Are 159 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: you a good teammate? Can you play? I don't care 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: what you do. I was around Rodman all those years 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: and he was wearing dresses like the dude could play, 162 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: didn't matter, he could play. But yeah, the interviewing process, 163 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: and I'm sure Mendoza aced it now Stacey Dale's she 164 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: was talking about Mendoza and just said, he's your dream. 165 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: He tells you everything. You know, he's a team for 166 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: He's just he can't wait to help the other players 167 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: on Indiana at their pro days. It does matter a 168 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: little bit to some of these teams. You just don't 169 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: know how much it matters. That's the tricky part. But 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: that's where you get the new set of eyes coming in. 171 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: And then they're going to bigfoot the scouts who spent 172 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,359 Speaker 2: all year looking at this, Jeremy Fowler of the Mothership 173 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: on the coaches who are assessing quarterbacks now in free 174 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: agency and also assessing quarterbacks in the draft. Jeremy Faller 175 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: will join us in the final hour of the program, 176 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: as we always do every Monday, best and Worst of 177 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like, 178 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: and say good morning to our radio affiliates over four 179 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: hundred cities around the country that carry this program. Seet 180 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: and you got a poll question, or at least one 181 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: to figure out. Think about ponder here for the first hour. 182 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't we start positive best month of the 183 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: year for sports? 184 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 4: Mmmm. 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: We do this every year. I do this every year. 186 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, because March is underappreciated in terms of hmm, even 187 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: at number it's probably considered the second best month for sports. 188 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: And you're gonna be watching a lot of basketball teams 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: that you didn't watch at all during the regular season. 190 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: I was watching Illinois State in Belmont yesterday and I 191 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: you know, there was no shame. I'm like, yeah, I'm 192 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: gonna be watching. You know, Belmont got a twenty six 193 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: wins or something something. Miami of Ohio stays undefeated. But 194 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: if Bruce Pearl, who's now an analyst former head coach, 195 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: said if Miami of Ohio doesn't win their conference tournament, 196 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: they may not make the tournament with one loss. They wouldn't. 197 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: Now granted strength to schedule, uh not pretty. It'd be 198 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: like me on the bench press. But they're still undefeated 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: and there's something to be said for that. Whether it's 200 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: a novelty or not. It's still undefeated. But if they 201 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: would bow out like the first or second round of 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: the MAC Tournament, didn't sound like Bruce Pearl was now 203 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: he got lit up on social media. But what he's 204 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: saying is their strength of schedule is terrible, but you're 205 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: still undefeated and you've got to take somebody from the MAC. 206 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: Can you take two teams from the MAC and we 207 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: might be finding that out. Yeah, PAULI back to the 208 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: poll question. Can March stand alone without the benefits it 209 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: gets from the month of April, because the Final four 210 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: and final game are played in April. Baseball starts in April, 211 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: the Masters is in April. 212 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 5: Am I right about those? 213 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: I think I have to combine March in April? Is 214 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: that fair? In October? How fair is that? T I 215 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think you can, because I gave 216 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: you September, October and March in April. 217 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: Nobody wants September. Forgets September. 218 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: I love September. 219 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: The April has the NBA NHL sort of playoff push 220 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: right the start of the baseball season, it has the Masters, 221 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: and it has technically the end of what is called 222 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: March Madness. So I don't really think that the final 223 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: four belongs to the Final four actually belongs to March. 224 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: Now, and you got the draft, the Draft in April. Sorry, yeah, 225 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: I have to do a combine. Well, you're pooh pooing 226 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: the start of March. Here, I see what Seton's saying. 227 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: I'm saying that March is great, but it's not April. 228 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: It's not it's its own thing. But I think that 229 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: the final four actually belongs to March, not April. Okay, 230 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: just because of March madness. Yeah, it's called March mad 231 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: I know where there's no, it's not called the April 232 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: final four? 233 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: How about awesome April? Yeah? 234 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Well yeah, why don't you try to trademark that you 235 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: think it's so great? 236 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: Hey, Todd, how's it going? 237 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 4: Okay? 238 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: Just good, just just checking on you, pacing myself. Oh 239 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: you are? Why? Why is? Why is today? 240 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: I haven't had. 241 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 7: Anything drunk to say just yet that I don't want 242 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 7: to be accused of just talking just to talk and 243 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 7: making it so. 244 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: Now there's more pressure on you because now the audience 245 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: is going, okay, all right, it's coming. Yeah, Todd's strong 246 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: comments for March right around the corner build up. 247 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: It's a building. 248 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: I love it. 249 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 7: But that, but I don't think there's a close second October, 250 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 7: whether you since you were asked, if we didn't really. 251 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: Ask, okay, but if I gave you April or I 252 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: gave you October, I'll take October, all right. I'm taking April. 253 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 8: October. 254 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 7: You got the NFL going on the come. I don't 255 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 7: even know how that's even a debate in March April 256 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 7: to October. That's what I'm trying to figure out. 257 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: It's because we're debating. That's why we're debating. 258 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 7: No, but for that to be a debate, that has 259 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 7: to be like a really strong argument. To me, there's 260 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 7: not a close second October. 261 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: Okay. If I gave you March in April or you 262 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: could take September or October. 263 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 7: I'll take Septober October ten out of ten times, Okay, 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 7: not even a blink. 265 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 5: All right, Yes, Paul, I'm missed October at Reggie Jackson. 266 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: But I'm missed October for a number of reasons. It's 267 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 5: a debate. April and March are heavy. There's a lot 268 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: of hope of baseball opening. It's a debate. 269 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: Let's take a break here, Marvin. How are the arms long? 270 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 271 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 8: Very impressive. Did you trophy? 272 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: Did you go home and hug your wife? Say? Hey, 273 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: how does that feel? 274 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 7: She said pretty much the same, But I said it's 275 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 7: two inches longer than everybody else. 276 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, take them break. We'll settle on a poll question. 277 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: Got phone calls in the on deck circle. 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All right, give me the 296 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: most important drill at the combine and you, as a 297 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: former front office guy, would say that will equate to 298 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,239 Speaker 2: success on Sundays. 299 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's it's different for each for each 300 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: position group. So when you're looking at obviously, when you 301 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: look at the forty, which is always the marque event, 302 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: you know it's different for the DB's As a post 303 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: OFFENSI alignment, you hear all the time of offense alignment, 304 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: it's about ten yard split for dbs, Like corners in particular, 305 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: it's about ten yard split. The forty is more heavily 306 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: weighted for corners because look, if you're sub if you're 307 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 4: not sub four or five in the forty at corner, 308 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: you're probably gonna have to be like ridiculously proficient as 309 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: far as your instincts and route recognition, because you just 310 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: need raw speed. 311 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 6: You just do. 312 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: I think, for like wide receivers, I love to watch 313 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: the three cone drill and in the twenty yard short 314 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 4: shuttle because obviously a lot of their their movements lower 315 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: body explosive, this being able to change direction, moving to serpentine, 316 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: that's all important. So like right now, when everybody's like 317 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 4: up in arms about Carnel Tate's forty yard time being, 318 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: you know four or five to one four five two 319 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: is agent saying it's lower, blah blah. Look it really, 320 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 4: if if we really judge wide receivers by forties, Jerry 321 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 4: Rice would have went undrafted. So I mean, it's just 322 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 4: like you know, there, it's always different from position group 323 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 4: to position group. I think across all position groups, everyone 324 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: likes to see what a guy's vertical jump is because 325 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 4: that is really just about raw physical explosion. And there 326 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 4: were some dudes this year who was like, I mean, 327 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: I was telling my son about some of these guys 328 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: in and their vertical jumps, and he's like forty three 329 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: and a half inches from standing two point Like, yeah, man, 330 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 4: these dudes are jumping out the gym. So it's it 331 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 4: moves based on position. But I think forty ten splits 332 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 4: three cone, those are the ones that you really want 333 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: to kind of pay attention to from a measurement standpoint. 334 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: You know what caught my attention. A couple of guys 335 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: had a better vertical than Vince Carter, and I go, 336 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what it means, but that's pretty damn 337 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: impressive there, don't I don't know. I mean, there's certain 338 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: positions where I could see where you would say, oh, 339 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: you know, this guy, if an edge rusher, somebody can 340 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: block field goals, maybe vertical comes in. But these guys 341 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: are preparing for the combine. So that's the tricky part 342 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: is you know how good are they or how good 343 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: will they be as football players. I still maintain what 344 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: I see on tape on Saturday is now your medicals. 345 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: The interview process like those are important, you know, are 346 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: you the height that they say, the weight you say? 347 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: Other than that, I just don't. It's a and teams 348 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: do this though, Lewis. Every year somebody's going to go, 349 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: oh my god, like Anthony Richardson, somebody's gonna go by 350 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: what they saw this week in Indianapolis and change what 351 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: they probably saw for three months in the college football season. 352 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And usually what that is is then at this 353 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 4: point in time is where a lot of other people 354 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 4: come into the evaluation process, namely coaches, namely administrators, you know, 355 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 4: whether it be a team president and owner, whoever it is. 356 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 4: They haven't been out on the road since August and 357 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 4: September October and I've ever they've been watching tape. They've 358 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 4: been doing their own thing. I mean, coaches have been 359 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 4: coaching their teams. So what winds up happening is sometimes 360 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: they can come in and they can Now it's important 361 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 4: for a general manager in particular to not let this happen, 362 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 4: but they can kind of blow up all the work 363 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: that's been done all few days, and next thing, you know, 364 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: like everything is in chaos, when really you want to 365 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 4: just keep the train on the tracks. And keep it 366 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: moving down the road. It's just another piece. It's confirmation 367 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: a lot of times for what you've seen on tape, 368 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: or it's the reason why you go back and maybe 369 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: evaluate a little bit more, especially if a guy isn't 370 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 4: as athletic in the testing numbers as you thought he 371 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: looked on tape, or if a guy's a lot more 372 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 4: athletic looking than you thought he was in the tape, 373 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: then you need to go back and research was he 374 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: hurt during the season, what kind of scheme was he 375 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: dealing with during the season, what kind of coaching was 376 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: he getting during the season. So or you know, you 377 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: don't want to miss on somebody who maybe just had 378 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: who dealt with an injury, dealt with a bad situation 379 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 4: during the fall. But he is a great athlete, and 380 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 4: quite honestly, he does have football instincts, and maybe you 381 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 4: could wind up catching someone whose values a little depressed 382 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: and wind up really hitting on him once he gets 383 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 4: to your place. It's another it's just another data point. 384 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: But I'm with you. There's no games being played right now, 385 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: no guys who were catching passes, intercepting passes, rushing the passer, 386 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 4: So let's not make crazy, wild changes on people's evaluations, 387 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 4: although there were some guys who really did confirm what 388 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 4: you saw on tape. And the cool part about it, 389 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: it's all the top players that we're doing it, and 390 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 4: they blew it up as far as they're testing, which 391 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 4: right now is going to make Night one of the 392 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 4: drafts super super exciting. 393 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: Lewis Riddick of The Mothership, former NFL defensive back and 394 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: pro personnel director with the Eagles, also was in the 395 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: front office with Washington. You can see him on NFL 396 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: Draft Daily three eastern weekdays on ESPN two, ESPN APP 397 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: and Disney Plus. It's weird to say, hey, is the 398 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: best player, the most talented player going to be taken 399 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: number one overall? And the answer is no. In basketball, 400 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: if the Portland Trailblazers had taken the best player in 401 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: the draft, they would have taken Michael Jordan, but they 402 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: at the time you had to have a big man, 403 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: so you pass, you know, a Keem goes one, then 404 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: you got Sam Buie. But the NFL do they do 405 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: that as well. It's position. You're not going to take 406 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love number one and he could be the best 407 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: player in the draft or Sony Styles or whoever you 408 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: want to throw in there. That is it's it's the 409 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: person in front of you. Aside from quarterback, it's it's need. 410 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: There could be a defensive back who's the best player 411 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: in the draft. He ain't gone number one, but yeah, 412 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: so how do you justify when you take somebody even 413 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: if you know the guy who's gonna go four picks 414 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: later is the best player and and you know could 415 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer. 416 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: Because it's it's it's always well, there's there's really there's 417 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 4: two things. It's always like a there's always a battle 418 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: between best player available and best player available at the 419 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: position that you do need because you are actually trying 420 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: to build a football team and you're not just collecting talent. 421 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: So it's like like, let's just say, for instance, if somehow, 422 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: some way, which it won't happen, let's just say Fernando 423 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 4: Mendoza has slid down the board to number you know, 424 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 4: to number nine in Kansas City's there on the board. 425 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 4: They're not going to take Fernando Mendoza even if he 426 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: was the best player on the board at that time, 427 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 4: because it just doesn't make sense, right, So you're always 428 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: trying to balance those two. 429 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but take quarterback out of the equation. 430 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: True, okay, true, So I think what winds up happening 431 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 4: is there, and I remember being taught this a long 432 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 4: time ago. You need to come up with a way 433 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: in which you prioritize the positions in terms of importance 434 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: one through twenty two on a football team, obviously, Okay, 435 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 4: we'll take quarterback out at the top. So the other 436 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 4: twenty one positions, what exactly how do you prioritize them? 437 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: So you know that? 438 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 4: Okay, when you're looking at your board like you have 439 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: typically if you can picture a board, a physical board 440 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 4: up in the draft room, you have all the positions 441 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: across the top of the board horizontally, and then everybody 442 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: stacked vertically within those positions, and you kind of and 443 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: then you have like a grading scale on the far left, 444 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 4: and you kind of slot them in vertically across positions 445 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 4: like this. So what winds up happening is depending upon 446 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 4: how you you know stack positions. So let's say that 447 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 4: your top five positions are quarterback, pass rusher, defensive corner, 448 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: offensive tackle, wide receiver. Let's see that those are your 449 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 4: top five positions in that order. Most teams are going 450 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 4: to have those five positions in some kind of order 451 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 4: outside of quarterback. Okay, and you come up and you're 452 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: and you're up on the you're on the clock, and 453 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 4: say you're at pick five, right, and you're looking across 454 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: the board, and you have three guys at premium positions 455 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 4: who are all literally, as you look horizontally across the board, 456 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: on the same plane, you haven't graded exactly the same. 457 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 4: Now is when you go to how you prioritize building 458 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 4: a football team? Yeah, okay, and how you prioritize building 459 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: a football team sometimes it's like philosophically, how you believe 460 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 4: you know teams should be built. There's obviously salary cap 461 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 4: ramifications that are involved here, So you know a guy 462 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 4: who winds up, you know, positions that carry a higher 463 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 4: value in the NFL when you're talking about you know 464 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: what the franchise tag would be with the average year, 465 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: average salary per year would be. You want to kind 466 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: of get those guys when they're younger on a rookie contra. 467 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: You don't want to have to be in free agency 468 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 4: having to find those kinds of people, So you wind 469 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: up prioritizing those number one they have high positional value 470 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: on a football team anyway, as far as how you 471 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 4: play the game. And number two, that's usually gonna come 472 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: with a higher salary. So you want as much cheap, 473 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: affordable labor as you can possibly get, so you're gonna 474 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: prioritize those guys higher. That's why running back, that's why 475 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 4: it slides down the board, and that's why pass rushers, corners, 476 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 4: offensive tackles are always gonna go higher. And there may 477 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: be guys who go higher even if they are on 478 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: your board. Jeremiah Love is sticking out. He's above everyone. 479 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 4: But you're gonna but you need an offensive tackle. You 480 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 4: may take CC Mauinoa from Miami, even if he is 481 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: a notch below Jeremiah Love simply because of the positional 482 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 4: value to your football team. 483 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: But if you take Jeremiah Love in the top ten, 484 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: which he probably will, Yeah, so you're gonna double down 485 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: on that. You're gonna have to pay him as a 486 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: top ten pick, yep. And then if he works out, 487 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to pay him again yep. Correct, Like, 488 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: if you draft him and he turns out to be great, 489 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: then you get to that fourth year, Well, now you're 490 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: doubling down on that position. So now you get into 491 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: that Zeke Elliott situation, and then you go how much 492 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: gas does he have left? Can I get eight years 493 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: out of Jeremiah Love? And that's why teams I didn't 494 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: get nervous with that top ten pick on a running back. 495 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: You know what's also interesting about that though, See, I 496 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 4: do think traditionally, like back in the two thousand's, early 497 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 4: twenty tens, late nineties, Yeah, you used to you always 498 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: thought about could I get how much runway can I 499 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 4: get with a player? Can I get two contracts out 500 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: of him? Can I get a decade? Can I get 501 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: ten years? You see how fast the league changes now? 502 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: How much I mean coaches get two three years and 503 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: they're blown up out of there. I do think the 504 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 4: mentality has changed some, meaning, look, we got to win now. 505 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 4: Otherwise we see how impatient owners get right now. Yeah, 506 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: so I think a little bit of that calculus has changed. Like, 507 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: I don't know if you worry about that so much 508 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: as you look with Jeremiah, I wouldn't be worried about that, 509 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: about doubling down and trying to figure out, you know 510 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 4: what am I gonna do with this second contract. I 511 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 4: just want to get through his first contract. I want 512 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: to win some games. I want to be able to 513 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 4: go worse to first like some of these teams are doing, 514 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: because if I don't, I may be out here in 515 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: the way in which he is able to help you 516 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 4: win football games with his explosive playmaking ability, which is 517 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: priority number one for every general manager and head coach 518 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 4: right now. 519 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: But why just take him at two? You know what? 520 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 4: Probably because they're thinking this, Look, they're gonna believe at 521 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 4: some point here. I think they're gonna franchise bres Hall. 522 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: They really do like breast ball, and Breeze is a 523 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 4: good player, and I just don't think that makes sense 524 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: for them. But I think, look, could Tennessee wind up 525 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: taking him, Could Arizona wind up taking him? Could the 526 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 4: Giants at five for sure wind up taking him? I 527 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: absolutely think so. I absolutely think that he may not 528 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: get past the Giants at five. He's well, they saw 529 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 4: what they gave up, and I understand why they thought 530 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 4: they maybe needed to give this up, meaning let Sa 531 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: Kwan go. But they saw the difference that he can make. 532 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 4: They saw the difference that he can make. Now, obviously 533 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 4: you need to make sure your sae Quon went to 534 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: the perfect place with the perfect offensive line at that time. 535 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 4: But Jeremiah is different. And I know for a fact 536 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: as I hear it all the time. It's what every 537 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 4: head coach is after. We need guys who can win 538 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 4: games on one play. It's too hard to try and 539 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 4: go ten to fifteen plays, and Jeremiah can do. I 540 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 4: ended up running back. Coach told me this, tell me 541 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: this Dan, he said, you know who he reminds me of. 542 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 4: He goes, don't, don't, don't. I'm not saying this is 543 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 4: the one to one comparison, but he moves with the 544 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: ease and fluidity of Eric Dickerson. That's what reminds me of. 545 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: And I haven't heard anybody in my entire time of 546 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: scouting since I got done playing compare anybody to Eric Dickerson. Nobody, No, 547 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: but not a single runner. That was pretty high praise. 548 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: And I respect the hell out of this guy who 549 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: told me. 550 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: That you're in love with love. 551 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 4: I say, yeah, I'm not the only one. 552 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody, he's a special Yeah. 553 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: But see then I go back to the Jets. Why 554 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: not have another playmaker? Yeah, okay, I have Breeze Hall. 555 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: I get another playmaker. I want to put pressure on 556 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: you on the defensive side. Yeah, now, now deal with this. 557 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: We'll we'll incorporate these guys in the offense. If he's 558 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: the second best, most valuable player, difference maker, I have 559 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: a hard time passing. 560 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 4: The only problem is like they were, they were like 561 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: epically historically bad on defense, Like they have no playmakers onside, 562 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 4: they gave all of them away. 563 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: We're just gonna score more points. We don't have to 564 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: score one more point, Lewis. 565 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 4: Well, I mean what you're looking at is can we 566 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: address it somewhere later on down the you know, down 567 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: the line. I know they're gonna get a quarterback too, 568 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: so that that's the other thing too, Dan, I mean, 569 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: what are they gonna do with sixteen? What are they 570 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: gonna do? 571 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 8: I mean, are they gonna. 572 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: Wind up taking a guy. I'm sitting here looking. 573 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 8: At my board. 574 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 4: I'm going, hey man, they got to get somebody. They 575 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: gotta get somebody to pull the trigger. I know they've 576 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: got so many different things going on there, but yet, 577 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: Jeremiah's got a lot of people right now in personnel 578 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 4: departments sitting there going should we we saw what Jamier Gibbs, 579 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 4: did we know what Bjon Robinson can do? We saw 580 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 4: what Saquan can do when he's at the right spot. 581 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 4: Are we set up to where we can get that 582 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 4: kind of return on investment if he's ours? And I 583 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: think that's this is this is the fun time of year. 584 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 4: It's a fun time of year for us. I don't 585 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: know how fun it is for the teams. And you know, 586 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 4: we're actually trying to make these decisions. But there's some dudes, man, 587 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 4: there are some guys right now who just showed over 588 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: the week, over the past week, that the athletic component 589 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: of the game is skyrocketing. These athletes are insanely, insanely 590 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 4: talented and skilled and trained, and the game has never 591 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 4: been more more specialized and more athletic than it will 592 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: be in twenty twenty six. 593 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: That's for sure, great to talk to you as always, 594 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: of course, thank you, Bud, already most riddick of the Mothership. 595 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 596 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 597 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 598 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: listen live. 599 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler The Mothership, ESPN Senior, NFL reporter, David Montgomery 600 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: traded from the Lions to the Texans. Your thoughts on that, 601 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: and then what's that mean for Joe Mixon? 602 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, Dan, David Montgomery's trade market might as well have 603 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 9: had a trade me sign at the NFL Combine because 604 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 9: teams had the full expectation that he would welcome a 605 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 9: change of scenery that Jamier gives being the one in Detroit. 606 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 9: Montgomery fell like at age twenty eight, so it's some 607 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 9: miles left and he had a good market because he's 608 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 9: only do six million dollars. So Houston gave up a 609 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 9: lot to get him a fourth and a seventh round pick, 610 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 9: which is a little rich. But GM Nick Cassario is 611 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 9: one of the most aggressive in the league. He will 612 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 9: do a trade like that and get ahead of it 613 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 9: and just take the guesswork out, even if it means 614 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 9: giving up more than maybe he would have wanted. So 615 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 9: that certainly helps. Montgomery will go into Houston as the 616 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 9: number one back. I think that's pretty clear at this point. 617 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 9: They have what he mark's a young player, and that 618 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 9: leaves a big question mark for Joe Mixon, who is 619 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 9: a cap casualty candidate. Anyways, So I believe that that 620 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 9: marriage is probably over at this point, barring a surprise. 621 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 9: You know certainly that they loved mixing last year, so 622 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 9: maybe there's a chance he can come back healthy this year. 623 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 9: But it seems like the writing's on the wall with 624 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 9: this Montgomery trade. 625 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: Does CJ. Strong get a contract extension before this new season? 626 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 8: You know what? 627 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 9: I actually think there's a trend that could be brewing, 628 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 9: and this will be an interesting. 629 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 8: Case study for that. Do teams pay. 630 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 9: Quarterbacks the huge money even if that quarterback is not 631 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 9: a top tier guy? Right like we saw it with 632 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 9: two years ago, Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, all 633 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 9: those guys were kind of outside of the top ten. 634 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 9: They all got paid. It worked out for some, it 635 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 9: didn't work out for Miami and Tua where they're now 636 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 9: stuck with fifty four million dollar and guaranteed money. I 637 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 9: think the teams are going to rethink that process that 638 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 9: they don't have a guy who's at the top shelf, 639 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 9: if they have a guys in the middle shelf, they 640 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 9: might wait a year, make them prove it in that 641 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 9: fourth year. So you know, Houston has made clear they 642 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 9: want CJ. Stroud to be their quarterback in twenty twenty six. 643 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 9: What that financial commitment looks like is still unknown, and 644 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 9: I'm not wholly convinced that they're going to do it. 645 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 9: I think they could kind of wait this out a 646 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 9: little bit and see what he does, continue to build 647 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 9: the team around him. Now, I do believe Stroud is 648 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 9: not just looking for the most massive number you can 649 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 9: think of. He doesn't want to suppress his own market. 650 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 9: But he does know that they got to pay Will 651 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 9: Anderson the pass rusher, they got to pay some other pieces, 652 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 9: They got to build a winner around him. I think 653 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 9: he values being in Houston doesn't want to cripple them 654 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 9: long term as well. So maybe because of that there's 655 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 9: a sweet spot deal that they can do in the 656 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 9: short term that makes sense for both sides. But I 657 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 9: just think buying large teams are going to start to wait. 658 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 9: I mean, Dan, you know, you've seen there are eight 659 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 9: or nine quarterbacks out there in the last few years 660 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 9: of guys that were not very good coming out, got 661 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 9: benched set and now they're good options. So you're not 662 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 9: beholden to the draft pick that you selected who's maybe 663 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 9: like good and not great. Like you can wait a 664 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 9: little bit and you can find a Daniel Jones or 665 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 9: a Baker Mayfield if you need to, you know, just 666 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 9: because you don't want to pay the guy you have right. 667 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: Now Kyler Murray's market are the Cardinals on the hook 668 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: for how much? 669 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 9: So they're on the hook for they've already paid or 670 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 9: locked into some guarantees. I think it's eighteen million somewhere 671 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 9: around there. He's got another big trigger coming up, I 672 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 9: believe the fifth day of the new league year. So 673 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 9: think mid March is an artificial deadline. I think it's 674 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 9: close to twenty million. It's a pretty big number that 675 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 9: would be on the hook for if they let him 676 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 9: stay on the roster through say March fifteenth or whatever 677 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 9: that date is. So that's an artificial deadline that they 678 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 9: are going to move on. It would be a shock 679 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 9: if they kept him on that number. So if you 680 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 9: cut them, that does open up a situation where a team, 681 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 9: because of the guarantees has already been paid, can get 682 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 9: him on a cheap contract. Potentially he's going to have value. 683 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 9: You know, Minnesota, I know is considering Kyler Murray. He's 684 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 9: one of their stronger considerations. I would say, along with 685 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 9: Geno Smith, that's probably tier one for them. You know, 686 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 9: maybe they look into the Derek Carr situation, but I 687 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 9: haven't heard anything strong there that teams are in that 688 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 9: market right now. TUA would probably be more of a backup, 689 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 9: second tier option for them. 690 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 8: So all these guys want. 691 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 9: To go to Minnesota, Dan because it's a great environment. 692 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 9: You've got Kevin O'Connell, You've got Justin Jefferson, you got 693 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 9: some pieces to work with. 694 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 8: That is a hot team right now for the quarterback market. 695 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 9: Even though they don't have a lot of money to spend, 696 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 9: they have all these quarterbacks that are probably getting cut 697 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 9: that are cheap because of the offset language and the 698 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 9: guarantees they already have. 699 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: Is JJ McCarthy going to get cut? 700 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 9: I would be surprised if he gets cut. It's a 701 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 9: similar situation to Anthony Richardson last year. I think in 702 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 9: a perfect world, they would like to bring somebody on, 703 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 9: like if you bring on Geno Smith. Let's say, right 704 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 9: why I think he's interesting to Minnesota is because you 705 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 9: know he's had enough struggles where if you bring him 706 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 9: in and sell him as a competitor to JJ, you 707 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 9: can kind of sell it, but you can also sell 708 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 9: it as yeah, he's probably the starter, So you're hedging 709 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 9: both ways and you can keep it alive with JJ 710 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 9: a little bit and maybe he surprises you in camp, 711 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 9: but you know, we've all been there. 712 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 2: Dan. 713 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 9: It's kind of like when you get broken up with 714 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 9: where somebody starts seeing other people, Like when they do that, 715 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 9: it's kind of clear it's probably over. So there's that 716 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 9: element to the JJ McCarthy situation as well. Similarly, Anthony 717 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 9: Richardson with Daniel Jones. When they signed Daniel Jones, they 718 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 9: were probably going to start him. They were going to 719 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 9: have a competition in camp and maybe see if Richardson 720 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 9: can play him out, but they sort of knew where 721 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 9: it was going. I think this is a similar situation 722 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 9: in Minnesota. They know where this is headed, but they'll 723 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 9: leave a little wigger room for JJ to maybe surprise him. 724 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 2: Okay to Jeremy Fowler, Mothership ESPN senior NFL reporter, if 725 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: the Steelers don't have Aaron Rodgers, what is plan. 726 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 9: B right now? I would say Plan B is Will Howard, 727 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 9: who's a six round pick. You know he that wouldn't 728 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 9: be the flashy option, but they, you know, talking to 729 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 9: people there, they really do like him. 730 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 8: A lot. 731 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 9: You know, he's great in the huddle, in the locker room, 732 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 9: he's great with teammates, he's ac quitted himself well. 733 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 8: They felt like Aaron. 734 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 9: Rodgers did a really good job mentoring him last year 735 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 9: that he might just be ready to play now. The 736 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 9: flip side of that is they've done a lot of 737 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 9: homework on this draft, dating back to really two years ago. 738 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 9: They've been kind of loading up for this draft class 739 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 9: to potentially take a quarterback. Now it's not as strong 740 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 9: as people thought it was probably going to be six 741 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 9: months ago when you had all those names that you know, 742 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 9: whether it's Drew al or Penn State or three or 743 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 9: four of them that you thought were going to be 744 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 9: in the mix in the first round. It just didn't 745 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 9: work out. So that's the crapshoot of the draft. But 746 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 9: they've done a lot of homework. Or if they took 747 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 9: one this year, it would not shock me. And maybe 748 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 9: it's somewhere high. Maybe it's Tye Simpson in the late 749 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 9: first or they can find a way to get him 750 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 9: in the second, or Garrett Nssmeyer day two. Like I 751 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 9: do think they've looked long and hard at those type 752 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 9: of options. 753 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: The Jets situation, what did they do at quarterback? 754 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 9: So for playing musical chairs, Dan, they're probably gonna get 755 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 9: the last chair, like whoever's whoever's left, the Jets are 756 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 9: going to get. 757 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 2: Why, you know, nobody wants to play there. 758 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 9: I mean, unless they're willing to just overpay. You have 759 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 9: to overpay in New York to get the guy you want. 760 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 9: No nobody wants to play there. I shouldn't say nobody, 761 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 9: but it's not an attractive spot for these quarterbacks. Like 762 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 9: I mentioned Minnesota. You know, I would say Arizona and 763 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 9: Miami are both probably slightly more attractive than the Jets 764 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 9: right now. I would say that, and the view of 765 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 9: these quarterbacks or people in the market. Now the Jets 766 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 9: offer Garrett Wilson, they have a pretty good offensive line, 767 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 9: Breece Hall, They're probably going to tag him. So you 768 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 9: do have some pieces there. They got a ton of 769 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 9: first round picks in the next two drafts. Darren Mougie, 770 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 9: the GM has set that up with trades, so you 771 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 9: know you might have something. But they got justin Fields. 772 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 9: He's still in the books for ten million in guarantees. 773 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 9: You know, they very well could just kind of bite 774 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 9: that bullet cut them and move on. I just think 775 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 9: they'll end up getting, you know, one of those bridge options. 776 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 9: Maybe it's Jacoby Brisset at in Arizona, trade him, It 777 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 9: could be somebody like that. I just don't think they're 778 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 9: going to get the top top option. 779 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 2: Can somebody build a bridge and name it the you know, 780 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette Bridge, like. 781 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 8: The Brisette Bridge. Yeah, yeah, I mean. 782 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 2: They should after all these years he's been a bridge quarterback. 783 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: I mean, there's Teddy Bridgewater, but you know it's like 784 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: it's Jacoby Bridgewater. Kirk Cousins sure gonna have a home. 785 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 9: I think there's a chance of that. I think he's 786 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 9: gonna have to wait a little bit. I don't since 787 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 9: he's in that top tier guys that's going. 788 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 8: To get a job right off the bat. 789 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 9: I think he'd be a backup or a third option 790 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 9: for Minnesota. Backup as in, I mean, like who they 791 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 9: want to sign as their bridge, you know. I think 792 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 9: he's sort of in that group with two in that 793 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 9: second tier from Minnesota for example. 794 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 8: But I don't. 795 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to be moving on him 796 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 9: heavy out of the gate. Now he's got to be 797 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 9: released by Atlanta. That will happen at the new league 798 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 9: year next week, and then you go from there. He's 799 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 9: played well enough to get a job somewhere, but there's 800 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 9: not a clear path right now that I'm hearing. I 801 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 9: think he could just strategically wait a little bit and look, 802 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 9: he's got this TV situation in his back pocket. You know, 803 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 9: he kind of did a trial basis during the season, 804 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 9: did pretty well. You know, he's good talking football like, 805 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 9: he kind of has that as an option. I think 806 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 9: he still wants to play, but certainly he's intrigued by 807 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 9: that side of things. 808 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 8: On the broadcast media side. 809 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: What about my guy, Malik Willis. 810 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 9: Malik Willis is going to get He's gonna get a 811 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 9: nice contract. He's gonna get paid. Some of the numbers 812 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 9: that have been floated out there several times last week, 813 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 9: thirty plus million dollars. I would shoot that down. I've 814 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 9: talked to a dozen teams about it. They don't have 815 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 9: him in the thirty million dollar range. They have him 816 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 9: in that twenty million dollar bucket, maybe twenty five. So 817 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 9: I think that's a sweet spot and less things get 818 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 9: crazy and he's just got three teams that have to 819 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 9: have him. Miami's definitely in Arizona might very well be in, 820 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 9: but they also might go Jimmy Garoppolo another bridge option 821 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 9: for you, Dan, and then the third one would be 822 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 9: I mean, you know, like maybe the Jets won't overpay. 823 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: There, but Pittsburgh is not an option. 824 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 9: I don't sense that right now. Cleveland as well. I 825 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 9: don't think Cleveland's an option. Malie Wills's agent is David Mulligetta, 826 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 9: who has Deshaun Watson, who has a chance to start 827 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 9: in Cleveland. 828 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 8: I would be shocked if that. 829 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a legitimate shot that Deshaun Watson's 830 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 2: his starting quarterback this upcoming season. 831 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 8: I think it's a shot. 832 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 9: I don't know if I'm gonna say legitimate shot, yet 833 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 9: I do believe it's it will be on the table. 834 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 9: I was oil They're gonna let those guys compete in rule. 835 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 2: But if he's healthy, though, he should be the starting 836 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: quarterback well. 837 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 9: And I would say people close to Deshaun would tell 838 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 9: you that the Kevin Stefanski Deshaun Watson fit just it 839 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 9: didn't work, and it probably wasn't the offense where he's 840 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 9: been best. You know that Gary Kubiak wide zone system 841 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 9: where it's a lot under center in the play action. 842 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 9: Todd Monkin's system will be better for Deshaun Watson. It's 843 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 9: it's more of what he's used to. Todd Monkin is 844 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 9: sort of a chameleon. You know, he can change his 845 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 9: offense a lot of differ ways, but he can appeal 846 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 9: to the guy who was really good in college and 847 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 9: did some spread offense concepts like that's Deshaun. So the 848 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 9: feeling is like, hey, let's try this. Maybe he's got 849 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 9: this last year left on his deal. We owe him 850 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 9: forty six million dollars. Nobody's going to take him, so 851 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 9: let's just see how it goes and roll the ball 852 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 9: out and see if Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel can 853 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 9: beat him out. 854 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 2: The Raiders' situation, so you take Fernando Mendoza. Yeah, I 855 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 2: don't assume he's going to start this season as the 856 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 2: number one quarterback unless you hear otherwise. But I think 857 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 2: they got to beef up that team a little bit, 858 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 2: certainly the offensive line. Who is the backup or maybe 859 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 2: who's going to be the starting quarterback with the Raiders. 860 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 9: Well that's a big piece to all this, Dan, because 861 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 9: you have Geno Smith who could find a home as 862 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 9: a starter elsewhere. Still, you know, last year wasn't all 863 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 9: his fault. It was a really bad team. And so 864 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 9: I think what's happening here is if you're Gino, you're saying, Okay, 865 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 9: if I stay here, I'll probably start. But we're still 866 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 9: bad and I'm playing eight games that I'm gonna get 867 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 9: benched and then my career is great. Where can they 868 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 9: just trade or release me here and I can get 869 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 9: out and go to a Minnesota or a Miami or 870 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 9: somewhere to just reset my career again, which he's done 871 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 9: multiple times. 872 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 8: And you know, to his credit, he's become a pro bowler, 873 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 8: you know, a couple years ago in Seattle. 874 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 9: So that's the sense right now. I'd be surprised that 875 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 9: he's on the roster in Vegas. I think what they'll 876 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 9: do is w'll draft Mendoza and they'll get a steady 877 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 9: veteran somewhere, whether it's eight and O'Connell who's there, or 878 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 9: it's somebody else, you know, somebody who can kind of 879 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 9: half mentor half play games and just get men does 880 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 9: out there when he's ready, you know, whether that's week 881 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 9: one or week twelve or next year, But they're trying 882 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 9: to play the long game there with everything they know 883 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 9: they need a lot. They're gonna be active and freegency 884 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 9: because they have to. They've got one hundred million dollars 885 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 9: to spend. They're gonna get a guard or a center, 886 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 9: and a receiver and a linebacker. Like they have a 887 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 9: lot of holes and it's going to take two years 888 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 9: to film. Great stuff is always Thank you, Jeremy, Thanks, Dan, 889 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 9: appreciate it. That's Jeremy Fowler.