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Speaker 1: Flaky Biscuit is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. Welcome to Flaky Biscuit. You already know what

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Speaker 1: it is. Each episode, I'm cooking up delicious morsels of nostalgia,

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Speaker 2: Do you know how to make it better than me? Probably?

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Speaker 1: I have someone extremely incredible and special in the kitchen

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Speaker 1: today has some very interesting thoughts on nostalgic food as well.

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Speaker 2: I think first time I've encountered it. We'll get into it.

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Speaker 1: It's stand up comedian and writer is comedy cover subjects

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Speaker 1: such as inequity and equality, racial stereotypes. He was a

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Speaker 1: writer Totally Biased with Camile Bell, and the creator of

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen documentary film The Problem with Poo. The

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Speaker 1: New York Times calls him one of the most exciting

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Speaker 1: political comics and stand up today.

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Speaker 2: You know you're right here nodding your head.

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Speaker 1: I'm like shoot to be fair.

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Speaker 3: They wrote that in like twenty eighteen, So today was

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Speaker 3: a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Hey, today, tomorrow, yesterday. My friend also the co host

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Speaker 1: of the Netflix food competition show Snack Versus Chef and

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Speaker 1: former immigrant rights organizer in Seattle. So many, many, many,

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Speaker 1: many things that we'll get into. Please welcome mister Harry Condebald.

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Speaker 3: It's Hurry, Condebolu, Harry Condibolu. Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 1: I fucking sat here for an hour pronouncing your name,

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Speaker 1: and when the moment came, I fucked up.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, I know, it's I've learned that some sounds

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Speaker 3: are hard when you're not used to making that Haury,

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Speaker 3: it's like hurry, It's like Harry, It's like writing between

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Speaker 3: a sound that, like in South Indian language, is probably

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Speaker 3: a lot easier, right, Just it's subtle. But yeah, honey, Horry, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've you know, son of immigrants. But my name

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Speaker 1: is Brian Ford. You know, so I never run into

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Speaker 1: people actually always think I'm white, especially when they hear

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Speaker 1: me on the phone. Really like, oh yeah, mister Brian Ford,

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Speaker 1: Oh great, we'll see you tomorrow. I'll show up and

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Speaker 1: they'll be like, who the fuck are you. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm bing for Sorry, does Brian Stephen Ford at that.

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Speaker 1: I want to start this episode off with something a

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Speaker 1: little bit different, actually, and I hope that you will

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Speaker 1: be excited about it. Today it's not actually the Flaky

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Speaker 1: Biscuit podcast. Today it's it's mangoes. Oh my god, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it's mango talk.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, you have no idea how badly I've wanted

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Speaker 3: to make Mango Talk. I I've pitched it to podcast networks.

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Speaker 3: They've all said no, none of them understand, like this

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Speaker 3: is an affordable luxury around the world. Or you can't

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Speaker 3: afford anything, you're broke, you can a mango and it's

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Speaker 3: the most delicious thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Like this is beautiful. It really is.

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Speaker 1: And I wish I was able to find, you know,

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Speaker 1: the alphonse, the fancy harder to get mangoes. These are

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Speaker 1: Latin American mangoes. There's three different types. But I thought today,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I know, it's Flaky Biscuit, but why

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Speaker 1: not why not start off with mango talk? Like, I

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Speaker 1: like this right, you know, these knives and these paper towels.

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Speaker 1: We're not here to eat cookies. They're here for us

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Speaker 1: to cut up and eat some mango. To the listeners,

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Speaker 1: I've got a few different mangoes here.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you guide me through? Like what's your step one?

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, oh, dude, like there is no My

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Speaker 3: I don't do it in any way that's reasonable. I

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Speaker 1: This is a Bangladeshi neighborhood, and pretty much all of

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Speaker 2: You're already like halfway in we wanted. Yeah, that one

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Speaker 3: It's still not. Despite the fact that the US took

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Speaker 3: After my special came out on Netflix, people sent me

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Speaker 3: a boxwom which was great. Yeah, but they sent to

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Speaker 1: Your parents gobbled them. So what are you tasting right now?

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Speaker 1: Like if this was mango talk, which it kind of is, like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's not as juicy as I would

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Speaker 2: I think this is a Dominican mango. Yeah, there is

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Speaker 3: It's hard to have a bad mango. I hate the

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Speaker 3: stringiness of mangos. I feel like that's often something that

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Speaker 3: think in The Juggernaut, which is great South Asian American

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Speaker 3: are all right, But like the stringiness I never like

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Speaker 3: because I've tasted like mangoes just there isn't stringing. This

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever had a bad mango in

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's better than a pair,

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Speaker 3: but it's you know, it's an inferior mango.

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Speaker 1: Damn apples and pears under the bus wick. I lived

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many factors of what makes a mango.

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Speaker 2: What does get into this big on what did you

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Speaker 3: At least corn Stickrett's or Tommy It means that the

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Speaker 3: Tommy Atkins it's water malin. Well, definitely. If it's too soft,

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It can be hard sometimes up here in New York

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Speaker 2: But there was a green one.

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Speaker 1: They never, I swear, they never really ripened, so we

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Speaker 3: I haven't explored that, but that's actually a really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Learn it from a Nicaraguan friend. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've always eaten mangoes as is. And for the first

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Speaker 3: time this is embarrassing to say I bought a mango

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Speaker 3: off the street, which I've done before, you know, the slices.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: the tahina mmmmmm. And I did not like it.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't your cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: No, no, it was not my chai as we would say.

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Speaker 3: You can edit that out later. I mean, look, it

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Speaker 3: just didn't like it was too much, like I couldn't

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Speaker 3: enjoy the mango and like it's delicious, it's incredible. It

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Speaker 3: just is a different It's not I wanted mango.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a mango purist. You're very much in the

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Speaker 1: in the realm. I see I see it in your eyes.

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Speaker 1: I can see it in your maneuvers.

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Speaker 3: You really I mean a few mango.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eat a couple of mags.

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Speaker 3: I remember I had a really bad breakup, maybe twelve

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Speaker 3: gets somehow still a pleasant memory. I bought a box

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Speaker 2: I needed, you needed those I need?

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Speaker 3: They were Yeah, they were, they were. They were a hug.

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Speaker 3: in melbo. Yeah. Man, it was just honest, raw mango

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you were able to have that good memory,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you sharing it with me. So I

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Speaker 1: noticed you're not eating the skin of the mango.

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Speaker 3: I don't eat them. Do you eat the skin?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 3: I had never done that.

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Speaker 1: I think it was my dad that ate mango skins.

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Speaker 1: But also like my dad, I was like, this must

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Speaker 1: people that eat mango skins. It's apparently nutritious.

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Speaker 3: What you're watching right now, by the way, is me

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Speaker 3: being honest with you about how I eat mango.

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Speaker 1: I love this, and I should be doing the same

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Speaker 2: So I love this.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to have some sort of

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Flaky Biscuit. I think it's past time

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Speaker 3: haven't even thought about, and all of a sudden, I

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00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: remember where I was and who I was with, And

434
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 3: it almost feels like you lose that trigger, right, you

435
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 3: lose that thing that brings back all those memories. So

436
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 3: it almost feels like you don't have access to certain

437
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 3: memories because you don't have the things that would give

438
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 3: you access to them, the keys to it, the source, yeah, exactly,

439
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 3: source material exactly. And so there's something really sad about

440
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 3: that loss.

441
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

442
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we do the best we can

443
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 1: here to mitigate those circumstances, but at the end of

444
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: the day, without the source material, it's hard to really

445
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to really invoke that feeling. And as you

446
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: as you continue to eat these cookies, I know they're good.

447
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: So where do you think this chocolate's from that I

448
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: used to make these cookies?

449
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: The chocolate or the cacao beans, That's.

450
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: What I'm hinting out.

451
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: Let's just say, let's just say the chocolate, like the

452
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: package that I opened. Yeah, what do you think it's

453
00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: said on that package?

454
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 3: Spititualan or Belgium.

455
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: Yes, we're here. We've made it to the part of

456
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: the conversation that we've been waiting to get to. This

457
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: is Belgian chocolate. And I thought this was hilarious because

458
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: we were I was just watching your bits last night

459
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: and I was just dying to the listeners who aren't familiar,

460
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about the origin of like what does Belgian

461
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: chocolate even mean? I know this is something you incorporate

462
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: into your work, but I'd love for you to kind

463
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Speaker 1: of just explain that phenomenon.

464
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: I think it's hilarious.

465
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: Because the sugar, there's no sugar in Belgium that's being

466
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: shipped from impossibly Latin America and African country or and

467
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: cacao beans are certainly not grown in Belgium, so that's

468
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: also coming from other countries as well. So at what

469
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: point do we give Belgian's credit?

470
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Speaker 2: Right?

471
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Speaker 3: Is it the stirring? Is it putting it in the oven? Like,

472
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 3: at what point is it yours? Because it sounds like

473
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: everything that we love about it is from other places.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the raw materials used. You know, if you think

475
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: about things like vanilla, if you think about things like

476
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle Beat chocolate and sugar and all this

477
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing, where is it being made right in

478
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: Latin America and Africa? This conversation can go two ways.

479
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: We can just start laughing or we can get real real,

480
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: We can do a combination of both. But if you

481
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: think about Latin America, like, it was designed to be exploited. Yeah,

482
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: from the get go, it was designed to function the

483
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: way it's functioning right now, chaos. It was designed to

484
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: be stripped of its resources. It was designed to be

485
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: this way, and people seem to forget that when they're

486
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: enjoying their fine Belgian chocolates and Swiss confections and all this,

487
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, the beauty of.

488
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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a buzzkill.

489
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, the romanticism, the romanticization, romanticization, the

490
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: romanticization of the Western white culinary world is astonishing to me.

491
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: It's astonishing how deep we allow ourselves to go and

492
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of believing this, Oh yeah, Belgian chocolate's the best,

493
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: and no one just stops for two seconds to think about,

494
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: like what does make it Belgium?

495
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Speaker 2: And to be honest with you.

496
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it that way until I

497
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: watch a bit last night We'll get out and this

498
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: is kind of my work. I think about colonization, and

499
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: but with chocolate, I was like, damn, he's right.

500
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: Go. I was like, where why is it Belgian?

501
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what made me think of that? Like,

502
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: I saw this video on YouTube of I think it

503
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: was a Dutch reporter who goes to the Ivory Coast

504
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: and meets cacao farmers, like people who like grow this

505
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 3: stuff and then also who like have to go up

506
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: and pick them and all that, and it was interested.

507
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: They had no idea what they were for. They had

508
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: no idea what the coca was for. They thought it

509
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: was for some wine that Europeans liked, Like, they had

510
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: no concept. They'd never had chocolate before. And these are

511
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: people who like spend all day like picking this stuff

512
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: and it's a brutal job, and they have no idea

513
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 3: what it's for, the idea that this is for someone

514
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: else's luxury product. Right, And then they tried chocolate, and

515
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: the excitement and the shock and disbelief of you're making

516
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: this out of it because like, it doesn't it tastes

517
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: like what it tastes like until you add all the

518
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: other pieces, Like the kuan itself is doesn't. That's not

519
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: what it's like. And so something in a moment it

520
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: was kind of beautiful, like they finally get to taste

521
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: this thing, and the other part of me is like, man,

522
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: that's so messed up. The idea that the poor never enjoyed,

523
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: the spoils people building the iPhones, they're not using iPhones.

524
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: The people who are like getting the metal that's used

525
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: in the iPhones, they don't get access to the iPhone.

526
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Speaker 3: All the things that maybe we so many of us

527
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: take for granted in the quote unquote developed world comes

528
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: from the suffering of poor people in other countries who

529
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: have no access to this stuff. And there's something about

530
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: then thinking about like Belgian chocolate, Swiss chocolate, and something

531
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: that they pride themselves on and it's something people want.

532
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: If it said I recoast chocolate probably not going to

533
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: sell the same way. Different with coffee. For some reason,

534
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: it seemed very different, like they don't talk about the

535
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 3: roaster as much as talk about like what what country is?

536
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: Well, yes, yes, and no. I mean I've been kind

537
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: of there is a trendy element to coffee roasters right

538
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: now that I've noticed a beautiful Ethiopian roast is actually

539
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: a blend, you know, And they taught it's like how

540
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: much you really know about that Ethiopian roast though?

541
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: Right?

542
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: You know? How much of it is it just smoking mirrors?

543
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: I did.

544
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: This is just my humble opinion of kind of the

545
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: trend of coffee, because you know, when you're in Latin America,

546
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: it's coffee.

547
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: It's it's good.

548
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: You get good, delicious coffee. No one's running around parading.

549
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: It almost feels like it's a bit of a parade.

550
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's also kind of imagining the places that it's

551
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: grown and that's part of what makes it exotic. This

552
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: is coming from Rwanda, yeah, this is coming from Sri Lanka.

553
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, how did you get access to

554
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: this coffee, it makes it feel like it's hard to get.

555
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: And this is fascinating you guys from this place. I

556
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: mean with chocolate, like I don't I have no idea

557
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: where the ca caw meines ever come from, right, I know,

558
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: like what country mixed it together and sent it over?

559
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: But like the imagination that you create in people with

560
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: coffee is really fascinating.

561
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

562
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exploring new cultures through coffee, through chocolate, through food

563
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: is great. But when it gets kind of exploited like Mescott,

564
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: you know you talked about the tacos made by a

565
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: white person or whatever.

566
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: It's right, there's there were people.

567
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: In Wahaca when I was there, tech guys from Seattle,

568
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: and they were We're gonna take over the mescal game.

569
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: Oh I don't like that.

570
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they came.

571
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: They came, We're gonna take over the messcal game.

572
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: They said, out a dinner with us, And I was.

573
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Like, what, you don't understand how that sounds? Like you're

574
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: a straight up colonizer, Like straight up like taking over

575
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: this industry that is from another country with another tradition.

576
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: That's like no concept of how that sounds and what

577
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: it is you are.

578
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: Doing yeah, gotta plants. You know, these plants take forty

579
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: years to grow. And the friend we were with who

580
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: was in the industry actually from Wahaka, He's like, so,

581
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: are you going to buy land and grow this for

582
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: forty years? Like or are you just gonna come and

583
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: like short someone.

584
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: They should have asked them that, like you gonna buy somebody?

585
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they like deflected, like, oh, well, you know,

586
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: we're just you know, we're talking from a strategic They

587
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: just had a whole bunch of language to do. At

588
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, they're looking to just go

589
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: buy some families plants that's already producing, put a fancy

590
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: label on it, and then breid it up here as

591
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: like this fine mescal and everyone's gonna drink it because.

592
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 2: It's a new, cool thing to drink. That was one

593
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: of those moments I was.

594
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Like, when it stops being asked cool, what are you

595
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: gonna do? Are you gonna are you gonna just sell

596
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: that off someone else?

597
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: Ye? Sell the George Clooney Now, no disrespect to George clue.

598
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: I don't even know.

599
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: It is kind of because you know, we talked about

600
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: like sometimes you eat something and whether it's from a

601
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: white person's restaurant. Be there's this dosa restaurant that I've

602
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: eaten food at, and I was very cynical because like

603
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: its own and run by white people. Then I'm like, yo,

604
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 3: this truffle dosa is incredible, and part of you is

605
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: like is it okay that I love this? Or even

606
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: thinking about some of my favorite dishes of all time,

607
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: Like there's this dish fool that's popular in Mediterranean Middle East,

608
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: and you know, through trade roots and stuff, it ended

609
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: up in Ethiopia and Eritrea. And there's a place called

610
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: Cafe Salam in Seattle, just a really small little restaurant,

611
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: and their fool is incredible. And the other restaurants I've

612
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: been to Ethiopian places and Richman places and Seattle always

613
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: mentioned Cafe Salam's fool, like that's the one we go

614
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: to too, because that's incredible. It's like one of my

615
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: top five favorite dishes of all time. And I was

616
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: thinking about the fact that, like the trade route that

617
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: got this to Ethiopia must have been treacherous, people dying

618
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: the kind of lost just like for these trade routes,

619
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: and I was thinking, they're eating it with bread, and

620
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: it was Italian bread originally, right, and that's because of

621
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: space in colonialism. And I'm like, so this bread that

622
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: is delicious is the result of that. And then I

623
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: think about the fact, well they're not using Italian bread,

624
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: they're using French bread in this particular restaurant from a

625
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: Cambodian bakery, which is the result of the French colonization

626
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: of Cambodia. And yet the meal is bomb like it's

627
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: so good and the number of people who died and

628
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: it's suffered for me to eat it, and yet it's

629
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: so good, Like what do you do?

630
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: What do you do about that?

631
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

632
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: How to be honest, I think it's a question that

633
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: can't really be answered because you know, my next books

634
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: about Latin American baking and at the end of the

635
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: day a Semita ana France, like all you know, the

636
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: wheat based breads, how did those come to be? It's like,

637
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's like the fun version like oh, well,

638
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Columbus sailed over and they planted wheat

639
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: and everything, you know, and they started in orders of

640
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: reality where they brutalized and enslaved and murdered people forced

641
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: them to grow a certain crop ruined most of Brazil

642
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: and Cuba with sugarcane and all.

643
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: It just like when you.

644
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Dive in, it's like, oh man, this guncha was great.

645
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: It's like the real source material of Latin American baking.

646
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Like you were just saying, like, you know, Cambodian baking

647
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: even like bond mee bread.

648
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 2: And stuff like that like that. You know, how did

649
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: it really go down?

650
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Like was a French colonist like so skilled at baking

651
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: that they were like, hey, check out this shaping technique.

652
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: No, yeah, like made this or I'll kill you.

653
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Make this roll kill you. You think they were giving

654
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: a bread workshop, all right, guys, everyone take your everyone

655
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: take your seat. You should have a mixing bowl. No,

656
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: it was like make this long for the king or

657
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: we'll kill you. Right, And that's terrifying to think about

658
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: when you're trying to enjoy a meal, right.

659
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: Right, And at the same time, you know, there's something

660
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: to be said about colonized people are they're forced to

661
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: use what's left over from the trauma, right, Like whether

662
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, the British built railways in South Asia

663
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: and India, right, and they used it for exploitation. It

664
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: was easier to when you steal people's grains or valuables

665
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: to ship into different parts of the country with this

666
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: railway system. Yet the infrastructure is still being used by

667
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: Indians and is a very valuable thing in India. And

668
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: you know, the same thing is true. I think with food,

669
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: it's like these foods and these crops are the remnants

670
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: of this horrific period. They're gone, We're still left with it.

671
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna make the best of it. Yeah, And that's

672
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: like the other way of seeing it. Like on one hand,

673
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: like yeah, I've thought about that too. Bond Me is

674
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: so popular, but like, why is that bread there? It's

675
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: very good.

676
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk briefly or our listeners, you know,

677
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: might not know much about your story, like how did

678
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: you know how did you get into comedy?

679
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: Like how did food? You know? How did these cookies

680
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: play a role in that?

681
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: You know, do you find comfort when you're on tour

682
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: eating a chocolate chip cookie every now and then?

683
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I think there's a reason why some

684
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: of the best comedians of all time come from like

685
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: marginalized cultures, right, whether it's anti semitism or racism. Talking

686
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: about the results of slavery and Jim Crow like you

687
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: have to survive, and you know, laughter is this incredible

688
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: defense mechanism. It's a way to almost it feels like

689
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: it's a way to save yourself and heal and clearly

690
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: has an evolutionary advantage, because why on earth are we

691
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: still laughing? There must be something that gives us that

692
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: we that we need. And so, you know, as Indian

693
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: American kid who didn't see myself on TV, that didn't

694
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: hear my voice being heard ever, and getting to a

695
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: point where I started wondering, when are we going to

696
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: exist outside of the Simpsons. You know, it was, you know,

697
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: seeing Margaret chow do stand up on television when I

698
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: was like fourteen or fifteen. She's Korean American talking about

699
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: growing up in San Francisco, like a far different reality.

700
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: But the fact that like she was talking about it

701
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: and people were laughing and she had control was like hope.

702
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, man, if she can do that, could

703
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: I do that? And so I started writing in high

704
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: school and I performed through college, and you know, I

705
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: moved to Seattle to be an immigrant rights organizer, which

706
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: very much like both my political and comedic path very

707
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: much a result of nine to eleven. I was nineteen

708
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: when it happened, or eighteen actually when it happened, about

709
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: to turn nineteen, and I became like this politicized person

710
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: who started to ask questions like, we're going to war,

711
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: Why are we going to war? How is this different

712
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: than Vietnam? Like it seems like repeating things? Or I

713
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: thought about the targeting of South Asians and the government targeting,

714
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: the deportations, attentions, the hate crimes, and then you start

715
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: to realize, this is what black people do with all

716
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: the time. I started asking bigger questions. I started taking

717
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: classes that added more fuel to it. I started reading

718
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: more things and surrounded myself with people who like really

719
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: educated me. And so I moved to Seattle to be

720
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: an immigrant rights organizer, and my comedy was starting to

721
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: reflect that kind of I'm up here, I better say something.

722
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: In addition to the fact that, like, it's not like

723
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to really talk about anything else anyway, because

724
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: I was completely I am still very much obsessed with

725
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: why are things so unfair? Right? And the fact that

726
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: like we treat history like it's the distant pass and

727
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: as if we're not still currently living it. And shaping it. Clearly,

728
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: history is important, because why else in Florida are they

729
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: banning history? Are they preventing kids from learning so they

730
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: know the power of having control over the narrative and

731
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: of the story. And so that is terrifying.

732
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of terrifying things and to

733
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: unpack from what you just said, but just bringing that

734
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: up right there gives me chill, like bad chills, like

735
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: the bad.

736
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Oh.

737
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: Any regime that like is trying to control their people

738
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: always gets rid of history, erasing the past and creating

739
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: a new one where you can fall in line and

740
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: you don't question things and you don't question why things

741
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: are unfair, and it is devastating to me. And so

742
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: that stuff always seemed fascinating. What aren't they telling us?

743
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: And the books are missing a lot of stuff. The

744
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: idea that black history being marginalized to a month when

745
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: the country was built on like indigenous and black and

746
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: immigrant backs is immediately like, you.

747
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Know, being older and reflecting upon what I learned in

748
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: social studies, Damn, they didn't teach shit. They didn't really

749
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: tell us anything. They just these little stories, these cute

750
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: little like I was saying earlier, it's like, oh, and

751
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: they came, you know, even the animations I've seen in

752
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: textbooks that kids have, and it'll be like Thomas Jefferson,

753
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: like with a shovel planning some some plants like that

754
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: man was not right people doing it for him, and

755
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: it just like our great founding fathers. Oh, so you know,

756
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: they're amazing.

757
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: They're deities. They're treated like deities, as flawless beings who

758
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: created this incredible system. And when you start questioning their histories,

759
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: people get upset. And that's with you know, every figure,

760
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: like even you know, Gandhi, like has a lot of

761
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: stuff in his story that is not so pleasant, and

762
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: that's part of the story you can't ignore part of

763
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: the story. Doesn't mean what he did wasn't important, but

764
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: that's part of the story. I think a lot about

765
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: the fact that, like, we studied World War Two a

766
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: lot more than we ever studied slavery, at least in

767
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: my experience going to schools in New York, we studied

768
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: the Holocaust a lot. And after years I wondered, why

769
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: do we study the Holocaust so much but not slavery

770
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: so much? And part of it is because it didn't

771
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: happen here, Holocaust happened somewhere else. There are different bad guys, right,

772
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: We're not the bad guys in the story, the Germans.

773
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: It's the access powers. They're the bad guys. And dropping

774
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: the bomb in Japan was justified. There's no critic. Look

775
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: at where we are and the parallels to like killing

776
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 3: people destroying culture. We're talking about people from all over

777
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: Europe whose lives were taken, and you're talking about slavery

778
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: people from throughout the continent of Africa whose cultures and

779
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: lies also destroyed. That The parallels are incredible, Yet we

780
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: don't talk about it.

781
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: The reason it's not talked about is because the descendants

782
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: of these slaves are here and the people in charge

783
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: don't like them.

784
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: It's that simple.

785
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: It's Look, you weren't slave for four hundred years, all right, Go,

786
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, Go figure your life out. We're not

787
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: gonna we're not gonna like try to fix this. We're

788
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: not gonna we're not gonna influx your community with resources, money, textbooks,

789
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: and healthcare. We're gonna put other things in there, but

790
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: we're not gonna put those things in there that are

791
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: actually gonna help these families recuperate. From hundreds of years

792
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: of being enslave. No, we're not gonna do that, and

793
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: in fac we're not gonna talk about it no more.

794
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Let's take it out of the text. But it's mind blowing.

795
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: And whenever people say, like you've had this much time,

796
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: how come your communities haven't changed, it's like so ahistorical.

797
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: You just have to look at like the years after

798
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: the Civil War war in the South, and like it

799
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: was this booming period for like formally enslaved Africans and

800
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: then of course you know with like new president, with

801
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: Andrew Johnson and with Jim Crow Laws like and everything else,

802
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like I think people forget, no,

803
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: there was this period where so much could have happened.

804
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: Or like we've studied of late this country has talked

805
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: about what how happened in Black Wall Street in Tulsa,

806
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, like a thriving black community who was thriving

807
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: in spite of the fact that they were segregated. They

808
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: were taken out of the main economic system of this country,

809
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: and they did it themselves until white people saw it

810
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: and they destroyed it. Those histories are important because it

811
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: tells you a if given resources, black people of course

812
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: can thrive. Anybody can thrive given a fair chance. But

813
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: what happens whenever that fair chance was given, it's destroyed

814
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: because they don't like the success that reaps.

815
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: They hate it. No, they don't like that we're doing this.

816
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: What's interesting about speaking with you? You're a comedian, right,

817
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: but when I speak to comedians, you know, when I

818
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: speak to you, I feel like I have a lot

819
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: to learn from you because you're hilarious. You know, I've

820
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: seen what you do, but like just talking to you,

821
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like we're talking about the real shit here the comedy.

822
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel like your comedy got stronger when your

823
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: will to confront these issues got stronger?

824
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: I think so yeah. And I'm sure there are people

825
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: who saw me when I was nineteen or twenty who disagree,

826
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: because I think to some people I got less funny.

827
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: But to me, I feel like early when I was

828
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: like seventeen eighteen nineteen, and you don't have anything to

829
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: talk about anyway. A lot of this stuff was what

830
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: I knew would work, which was impressions of my parents

831
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: or whatever, Like I knew that would make people laugh.

832
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: And quintessential, like if a comedy, if a crowd showed up.

833
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: It's almost like they would want to expect some things

834
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: like that from you.

835
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, because there were no examples. Right, there's no

836
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: models at that point. There were no famous you know

837
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: South Asians and stand up, not a single one that

838
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: people could point to in two thousand, neteen ninety nine,

839
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So that's what I knew

840
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: would work. And then as I started to get more

841
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: critical posts nine to eleven saw Paul Mooney perform in Washington, DC,

842
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: Like that single performance was one of the biggest life

843
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: changing things. Oh, I can you don't need to make

844
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: everybody laugh, and that your story is unique, and also

845
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: it starts I think initially, I think I did get

846
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: less funny because I didn't understand how to integrate things

847
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: I learned in a comedic form. You're so upset and

848
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: excited about talking about certain things, you don't think about

849
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: the fact that, like, yeah, there's no joke here, it's ineffective,

850
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: Like it's a joke that gives that's the carrot if

851
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: to lure people in. And so I think now I'm

852
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: at a place where I don't think about the potential

853
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: positive impact it makes. I do think about negative impact.

854
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: I want to minimize damage.

855
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I want to in what commune negative impact?

856
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Man, I don't want to hurt marginalized communities. I don't

857
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: want to hurt people that are already struggling. I don't

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: want to, you know. I want to make people question

859
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: who has power and why and think about history, and

860
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: not because I want to educate them. It's because I

861
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: find that interesting. Instead of trying to make art to

862
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: move people, I'm like, let me just make art that

863
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: moves me that I find interesting. Let me make sure

864
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: I nourish myself with knowledge and am surrounded by people

865
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: who are nourishing me with interesting conversations and with their

866
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: like what they've learned, because that's gonna fill me with

867
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: thoughts that will make for better art. And so like

868
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: when people say where does your material come from? It's

869
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: less like I'm actively looking for It's more like being

870
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: in situations that forced me to think. There's thoughts and

871
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: subject matter I never would have thought of entering. But

872
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: this conversation woke me up, and I think that's what

873
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: it's really about. As long as I'm honest with who

874
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: I am and what I believe, you know, as much

875
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: as sometimes I'm like, how come this didn't work out?

876
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: How come I'm not bigger in this way? I wish

877
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: it at a certain point, It's like, but then I'd

878
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: be a different person.

879
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back after this. All right,

880
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: all right, let's just jump back in.

881
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: From the moment of the Belgian chocolate joke of getting

882
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: really familiar with your work, I could feel there was

883
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: something different, for sure. It's not just really funny. There's

884
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: a meaning behind it, and a meaning that I also

885
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: like to dig into.

886
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: You.

887
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm a baker. I bake bread. That's kind of like

888
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: the canvas for the message in a way. But it's

889
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: easy to get trapped in, like, oh, man, like why

890
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: don't I have a viral TikTok video? Why why don't

891
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: I have a million thousand followers? Why why can't I

892
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: get a line out there? Well, I can't get a

893
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: line out the door.

894
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: People like what I make, but.

895
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: Without the true inquisitive nature of who we are, Like

896
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: I actually want to learn more about colonization. Colonizers when

897
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: you really, oh, sugar like destroyed all of this part

898
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: of Brazil, Oh, like, it becomes bigger than the baking.

899
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, and when you when you start to convey

900
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: that to your listeners the people that view your work,

901
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and they get it immediately, which we did for sure.

902
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Like I just you know, I just want to give

903
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: you a little round of applause for that, because I

904
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: really truly can feel that you're genuine about it and

905
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that you you really are accomplishing it.

906
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I mean, I certainly I've definitely fallen

907
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: down those rabbit holes of like why not this or

908
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: how come that? And this didn't happen? And then I

909
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: also know, like the stuff I've made I haven't seen

910
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: anybody else make, and I'm proud of it and it's

911
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: unique and it's smart, and it's the kind of art

912
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: I want to make. And at the end of the day,

913
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: if you're doing that, like there's nothing to be embarrassed

914
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 3: about or feel down about it. So and it's really

915
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: beautiful to hear you talk about about baking, I mean,

916
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: I think, and it's the same thing like if you

917
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: weren't good at your skill, then the rest of it

918
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

919
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there has.

920
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: To be a little bit of a very good comedian.

921
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: But you have to do that.

922
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: What you do you've got a skill set to deliver

923
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: the message right. All right, So we don't have much

924
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: time left, but we have a few more things to cover.

925
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Very simply, what's next for you? Tell our listeners, like,

926
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, where can they find you? You got shows

927
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: coming up.

928
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: I just released my new special, Vacation Baby, which is

929
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: free on YouTube, and it's about having a child during

930
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: the global pandemic. I'm really proud of it. And this

931
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: one's out for everyone to access without a streamer. You

932
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: can just see it. And I made a longer version

933
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: that's audio called Extended Vacation Baby that's on bancam and

934
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: that one requires money. But I'm also proud of it.

935
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a really it has twenty minutes more jokes,

936
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: and there's some stuff that like you know what the

937
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a universal concept, the

938
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: concept of a bucket bath.

939
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: Like when you bathe yourself with.

940
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: The bucket Yeah, yeah, yeah. The day of my taping,

941
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: I had to take a bucket bath because the hot

942
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: water wasn't working. Yeah, And so it was just something

943
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: funny about like this big moment and I'm going back

944
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: to the roots, like I'm like I said, like it's

945
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: like it feels like the ancestors are with me. I'm

946
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: bathing myself with a bucket and a smaller bucket, right

947
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: if I.

948
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Never a bucket bat Like, let me tell you that.

949
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, my mom will probably never hopefully not hear

950
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: this part. She gets so embarrassed. It's the truth. Like

951
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: they would cut her water because we couldn't pay the bills.

952
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: But before they did it, she like ran, they're gonna

953
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: cut the water, so we would fill up big jugs

954
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: of water in anticipation that necessary cut the water, and

955
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: then we would ration that junk.

956
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: And who's taking a bait? This is the bath water?

957
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, bro, I haven't thought of that in

958
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: so long.

959
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: The bucket bath is I mean, because I remember just

960
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: like it was real. It worked, except for your hair.

961
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: That was always the work. So you couldn't get the

962
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: shampoo conditioner.

963
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: Everyone was still always kind of musty, even though we

964
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: were like clean enough to like not get like a

965
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: disease or whatever, Like it's like a bacterial there's no

966
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: water pressure.

967
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: So like it's funny in the US, like we did

968
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: bucket baths until we were like eight, nine, ten, until

969
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: I realized, oh so that's what a shower because we didn't,

970
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: we never used it. We use buckets because that's like

971
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: how my parents grew up with buckets. And so anyway,

972
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 3: there's a moment in the twenty minute longer version where

973
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: I get to talk about that. You know, I made

974
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: the longer one because I feel like that some jokes

975
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: might not hit everybody the same way. They're like, maybe

976
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: not as accessible, but I'm like for the people who

977
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: want to hear certain things that, like I edited out

978
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: of the special for a reason. My solution to gentrification

979
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: and bucket baths and things of that nature. That's that's

980
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: in the longer version.

981
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: Oh well, to the listeners out there, make sure y'all

982
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: peep that we have a couple more things to do here.

983
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: We remember when I told you that mango talk was

984
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: not done.

985
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: There's more.

986
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: There's more mango talk.

987
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: So we we play the flaky game with our guests.

988
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: No pressure.

989
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna ask you some questions about mangos. Do it,

990
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see how deep down the mango hole

991
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: you've gone. Four questions here?

992
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Yeah?

993
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: Okay, there were a mangoes first grown about five thousand

994
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: years ago.

995
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: India.

996
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: Correct, that was I have I have multiple choice here

997
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: A was Belgium was Belgium, C was India was Belgium.

998
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: I wish i'd let you say it.

999
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I actually prefer that you were. You were so focused,

1000
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: you were like, don't even play women? Yes, India, of course.

1001
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: The origin of mangoes. Where is the oldest mango tree?

1002
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Thought to be located West Kandish, East Kandish, Jackson Heights

1003
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: or Canada.

1004
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: I feeling it's one of the condishes, so I let's

1005
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: say West Kondish.

1006
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: Apparently East. I feel like I shouldn't have That was

1007
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: too tricky.

1008
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: That was that was messed up.

1009
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 3: That humility is important and values, so do not worry

1010
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: about it.

1011
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: That was so mean, Brian. Two more questions here? In

1012
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: what phase does a mango can pain more vitamin C

1013
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: when it's ripe or when it's green.

1014
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: This is a little technical.

1015
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: I mean it's so delicious it's hard to imagine that

1016
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 3: it's healthy, so it must be before it ripens.

1017
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.

1018
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: When a mango's green, it has more vitamin C. When

1019
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: it's ripe has more vitamin A.

1020
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 3: Oh, there you go.

1021
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: This is mango talk, baby.

1022
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: Yes, man, I will use this as the pilot that

1023
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: podcast exist.

1024
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: It really will last one here, which mango is the

1025
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: only varietal in the world that is sweet when it

1026
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: is green?

1027
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: Is it the Belgian mango?

1028
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: Is it ti green mango, Portuguese mango or Dominican mango?

1029
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: I green mango baby. We are concluding today's mango talk.

1030
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Very well done. And you mentioned to us that the

1031
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: Innocence Project is something that's important to you. Yes, why

1032
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: is this in particular important to you? And what are

1033
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: some ways that we can contribute, help, volunteer, etc.

1034
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm lucky enough to be an ambassador for the Innocence

1035
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: Project and it's a privilege that they asked me to

1036
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: do that to me, Like, there's so many things wrong

1037
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: with our justice system, and we're talking about huge institutional

1038
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: changes in order for that to be fixed. And that's

1039
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: so big. But what the Innocence Project does by introducing

1040
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: DNA evidence, having lawyers go into old cases, especially for

1041
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: prisoners that are you know, life sentences or on death row,

1042
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: you're finding that people one didn't do it, there is

1043
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: no DNA evidence, and they were railroaded by the system.

1044
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: You find out, you know that they were all sorts

1045
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: of issues and the trial and evidence being withheld like

1046
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: these are lawyers doing the research that should have been done.

1047
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: If we're going to throw somebody in prison for the

1048
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: rest of their lives or kill them, you need to

1049
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: take the greatest degree of care as opposed to let's

1050
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: get this done with. I want my conviction rate up.

1051
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: And the Innocence Project it doesn't fix the larger systemic

1052
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: things in each case, but the introduction of doubt that

1053
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 3: there are people who are innocent or were not given

1054
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: a fair trial, which I think is the more important part,

1055
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: Like the idea of the system doesn't work. That opens

1056
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: up the possibilities for others to say, hey, we probably

1057
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: need to change this. We probably have to make sure

1058
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: certain standards are met before we decide that a person's

1059
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: life is no longer allowed to thrive in the public

1060
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: or to exist.

1061
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

1062
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: So I love the Innocence Project, and I feel like

1063
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 3: there's so many times that you feel hopeless. The Innocent

1064
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: Project gives me hope you've actually saved people's lives, or

1065
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: you find out like, wow, there are so many people

1066
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: that have no interest in protecting poor people, and you know,

1067
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: people of color, zero interests, zero interest and so you

1068
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: actually are like trying to to make good on the

1069
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: promise of justice and the promise of a fair trial

1070
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: and innocent till proven guilty. They give me hope.

1071
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: You were portraying to me that although you have success

1072
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: and you've got the you know, great platform, and life

1073
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: is bigger than just you and you're it seems like

1074
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: you're just always on the lookout of how can you

1075
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: make a difference in the lives of people who aren't

1076
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: getting taken care of? And I think that's very inspirational.

1077
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure our listeners are going to be inspired by this.

1078
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: I think it's Innocentsproject dot org. Donate, donate, volunteer.

1079
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: Is there volunteer opportunities or much if there's volunteer, But

1080
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: money is always important, especially like you're talking about lawyers

1081
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: that are donating a lot of time and energy and

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Speaker 3: the number of cases that they never get through just

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Speaker 3: because there's so many people who are you know, sending

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Speaker 3: in their stories and it requires so much work to

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Speaker 3: do background to see if this is a case they

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Speaker 3: can actually do something With more people you hire, that's

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Speaker 3: that's more cases, that's more people that have a chance

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Speaker 3: of actually seeing justice and so yeah. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think money is huge.

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Speaker 1: Let's go get it. Howry did I do better?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 1: May thank you so much for coming on today to

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. This was an absolute gem of a conversation. Man.

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Speaker 3: It's really nice when you make a friend while on air.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's like a beautiful thing, Like they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is the beginning of a friendship? Is the beginning.

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Speaker 1: It's easily the beginning, Like we're you're coming over for

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Speaker 1: dinner and ship.

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Speaker 2: Like, dude, I would love bring bring the family.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, thanks so much for listening. This conversation

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Speaker 1: was so phenomenal. I truly just made a really great friend.

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Speaker 1: I hope y'all enjoyed it. And you can find the

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Speaker 1: recipe for the double chocolate cookies and the rice crispies

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Speaker 1: on shannaland dot com. I know what you're thinking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just cookies, rice crispies. Brian Like, come on, like,

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Speaker 1: is it really innovative? Just check out my recipes. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I know you need those sweet

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Speaker 1: treats to keep around your kitchen. I know you creeping

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Speaker 1: at night when you're hungry with a glass of milk.

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Speaker 1: So I want to know how it goes, y'all tag me.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Artists and Brian and Tag Hoddy at Huddy

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Speaker 1: Gondolu post a photo. Tell me how you did post

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Speaker 1: your videos?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Let's see to ouy guy, pull of parts. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: to check out Innocence Project. At innocenceproject dot org. You

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Speaker 1: can find my handle and all the links I just

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Speaker 1: mentioned in the show notes for this episode.

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Speaker 2: If you like Flaky Biscuit.

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Speaker 4: All right, if you like flaky layers and delicious morsels

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Speaker 4: of nostalgia, then you know what to do. Leave us

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Speaker 4: a beautiful rating, review, Share, subscribe, tell the whole world,

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Speaker 4: scream it from the rooftops.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining guys.

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Speaker 1: Flaky Biscuit is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alja,

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Speaker 1: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our creative producer

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Speaker 1: Bridget Kenna, and our editor and producer is Nicholas Harder,

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Speaker 1: with music by Crucial.

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Speaker 2: Recipes from Flaky.

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Speaker 1: Biscuit can be found each week on Shondaland dot com.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the Shondaland YouTube channel for more Flaky Biscuit content.

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Speaker 1: Flaky Biscuit is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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