1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Warning. This recording contains discussions of eating disorders, body image, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: and potentially triggering topics related to food and mental health. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: These subjects may be sensitive for some listeners. 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: you a Charlotte? 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 3: Hi? 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today. We have 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: a very fascinating guest in Catching Up with Friends. His 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: name is Jacob Pitts and he plays the other Sam 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: Jones in episode seventeen of season three, What Goes Around 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: Comes Around. He is the young NYU student that Samantha 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Jones ends up having sex with. I'm sure you all 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: remember him because he was incredible, which is partly why 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: we wanted to track him down and talk to him. 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: And he does not disappoint you, guys. He's super fascinating. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: He's gone on to have a really great career. He 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: was in the Pacific on HBO. He was Unjustified with 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: Timothy olliphent While Goggins, which I totally forgot to talk 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: to him about because he was so incredibly interesting. All right, 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: please enjoy my conversation with Jacob Pitts. Hello, Hi, thank 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 2: you for joining us. Jacob Pitts very exciting. We really 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: really wanted you on. You did, yes, yes, because you 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: play a very unusual and interesting character, your young self. 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: So take me back. So, first of all, I'm pretty 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: sure this is We just watched this episode, so you 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: we were like, who is that kid? He's amazing playing 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: the other Sam Jones, And you look like you might 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: be seventeen or something. You look so young. So tell us, 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: tell us. 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Well, I was interesting, you say, a very unusual character. 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I think I was very unusual at that point in 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: my life. 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: In a good way, not always. Okay, okay, tell us more, 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: tell us more, Well, I. 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Think I was about twenty going on twelve, and yeah, 36 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: I think I was not to start out really dark, 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: but I believe I was in the throes of some 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of anorexia. 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, yeah, oh no. 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: I'd done a Broadway play and I saw some photo 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: of myself that I saw recently again in the last 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: couple of years, and I thought I looked chunky I 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: saw the last couple of years. Of course, I saw 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: him like, I don't want Chunky at all, And I 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: got obsessed with doing unendurable things like running seven miles 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: a day and only buying products that had zero fat 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: in it. Oh yeah, I could go on. There's some 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: stuff that I've once described to a friend of mine. 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: He said that sounds like psychosis. So oh no, it 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: was perfect for the part at the time. 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, fully perfect for the part. But separate from that, 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting to hear from an actor 53 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: talking about it because we're all human, right, and we're 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: in this really weird situation where our visual selves are 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: a huge part of what we're doing, like what our 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: job is, what we love, what we're committed to. I mean, 57 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: did you feel like that was part of it? That 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: you took that picture? 59 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: The odd thing is that's not the sort of thing 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: I worried about at all, Like it wasn't like it 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: was that I can remember, uh huh. It just I 62 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: saw that in the picture, and then I became obsessed 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: with that. I go from obsession to obsession throughout my life. 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, I feel similar to that. Yes, yes, 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: And it's all about moderating the obsession, right. 66 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: We're finding a less terrifying one. 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: So absolutely absolutely. I mean I'm sober. I'm a long 68 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: time sober, and I started at eleven. Thank you so much. 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: I started drinking out eleven correct, Yes, I know, insane, 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: right insane. But what it was a screwdriver, you know, 71 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: orange juice and vodka. And I was in some ways 72 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: able to do that because I was in the theater 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: and in a very not professional way in South Carolina, 74 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: and so I was always around adults. You know, I'm 75 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: very old. So it was the seventies and there was 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: not a lot of like supervision in a weird way, 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So if you had that 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: like you know, genetic leaning or whatever it might be. Yeah, 79 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: then and I had read recently with anorexia that they're 80 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: looking at there's a set of genes that they're looking 81 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: at as being part of what might make you prone 82 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: to that, which I think is super interesting. 83 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Well, I've never had ever since I forget what it 84 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: was that. I think it was the run, the long 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: distance running, and I justified to myself I could eat 86 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: anything I wanted at that point. But I I've never 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: had about or worry about other than being just a 88 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: vain actor type. But I've never had a you know, 89 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: worry about that otherwise. 90 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: Interesting. So it just you saw this picture and then 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: you became obsessed. 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: I was obsessed for a better part of a year. 93 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: I would say, wow, and our show came in the 94 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: middle of that. 95 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I was I was only allowing myself 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: to eat once my stomach was ravenous. Just some terrible 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: yo play and peaches or something like that. Wow. 98 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: So that manic energy that you have and the part 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: that was that was real wow. So okay, before we 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: discussed the part so more, how did you get out 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: of this phase? Like what happened to get you out 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: of there? 103 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: I think it was that I think, well it was 104 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: the wrong long distance running right then decided I could 105 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: eat anything I want, And then I think I just 106 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: found my way to marijuana. 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: Okay, that's less, that's probably less dangerous, right. 108 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Well no, because then delusions of its own. 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: Oh oh my god. Well, can I say, first of all, 110 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: you seem super young, like like even I mean, your 111 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: your energetics are so perfect for the part, because you 112 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: look really young and you're thin, which I think kind 113 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: of makes you look younger in a way, you know 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like like boyish, very very yish. 115 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: The boy undeveloped body kind. 116 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: Of thing, definitely, definitely. And then where like. 117 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: A regular old twin. 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: Why how did you come to audition for our part 119 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: for our show? 120 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. They just sent me there. 121 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: So you're acting at this point like full aid this 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: you're living in New York. 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was living in New York. Oh man, I 124 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: don't know how much of this I want to reveal. 125 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: You don't have to reveal anything you don't want to. 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: You're already fascinating. 127 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know it was interesting watching the episode 128 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: was that I've seen it three times now, okay, And 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: the second time I watched it, I was too connected 130 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: to that that kid, so I kind of watched it, sure, 131 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: And the third this time, though, it was just it 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: was that first feeling I've ever had of that's that's 133 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: just a totally different person. It's not even wow, you 134 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: know you've had that feeling, sure, yes, and so it 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: was kind of a relief in that sense. But I thought, oh, 136 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: this poor kid, because I remember all the dellusions he 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: had and the crazy you know, uh yeah, friendless. 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, oh yeah, oh no, that's so sad. 139 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: Few years before I got a real friends really good 140 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: for that part, I was a real weirdo. 141 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you were perfect, perfect casting I'm sorry that 142 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: I didn't see you, and I hope that somebody in 143 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: our world was kind to you. 144 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: You're not sorry you didn't see I know they were great. 145 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about everyone was fine. Who I met? 146 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: I God, I watched that and I thought that is 147 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: I was running on pure instinct at that point. I 148 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: had moved to New York about a year and a 149 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: half earlier, and I started with just the most terrible 150 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: acting school you could possibly, like, the most discouraging. I 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: don't want to do any more acting classes after this school. 152 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: It was just, you know, they broke it up into 153 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: things like we actually had a course called the history 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: of sitcoms. Oh yeah, really kind of sketchy stuff that 155 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, do we need to be studying this? 156 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: Odd? 157 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: I remember we had a scene study class with there 158 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: were a sister and brother in the class. Okay, it 159 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: pretty much cycled through all the partner ups you could, 160 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: and at the end this sister and brother were partnered 161 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: in a scene as lovers. No, yeah, that's how bad 162 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: it was. 163 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: That's not good. 164 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: And so I didn't have and I don't know what 165 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: it was. I couldn't No one could talk to me. 166 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I had that. I've since found out 167 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends of the same age and 168 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: kind of experience had the same experience where we would somehow. 169 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: I think it was that I was looking to get 170 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: into the business post Titanic, and they saw me as 171 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: any kind of DiCaprio esque wow kid who could yell 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: a sentence or two with eviction. It just picked him 173 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: up and said, let's see which was. 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: You know, that's amazing. I love that because I also 175 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: I do feel like that's a big thing, right, Like 176 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: someone hits so big like Leo did when he was 177 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: really like his breakout whatever, and everyone's like, where's someone 178 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: like him? But you know, good for you that you 179 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: were in there, and I mean sad that you were 180 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: in a scary acting class, but obviously you persevered. You've 181 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: worked tons since then, and we got you like, like, 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: what first acting job, second acting job, third, Okay, yeah, 183 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: so you were really doing pretty well. I mean that's 184 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: pretty good for that age, don't you think, Oh yeah, 185 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: I was fantastic. 186 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: I have no I had no appreciation of work. 187 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you do when you're young. 188 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: But also you had a lot going on, so maybe 189 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: you weren't really like, you know, grounded thinking about it right, Definitely. 190 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Not interesting thing about it is I, you know, James 191 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Dean was an idol of mine, and I only knew 192 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: what I'd retained from some weird biographies. There was actually 193 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: a Robert Altman documentary about him and Black and was 194 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: one of the earliest things Robert Altman ever did. 195 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 196 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: But I just remembered stories about him pulling a switchblade 197 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: on directors and being unpredictable and real. Oh no, cass 198 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't. This acting class didn't give me any 199 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: thing I didn't have. I didn't. I didn't grasp a 200 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: single thing. Wow. If they had anything to teach me, 201 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: and maybe if you could teach me anything, I couldn't 202 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: hear it because I was such a sheltered, delusional kid. 203 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: I needed to be this great James Dean genius. Wow. 204 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: No one could hand, no one could direct, no one 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: could handle. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy delusion. 206 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: I mean it's fascinating. 207 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: And there was a scene in the in the the 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: party scene in this episode when uh, Samantha and Carrey 209 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: first come up to me and I put a solo 210 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: cup almost on a plastic inflatable cactus. Yeah, And at 211 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: the time, I wanted to do the idea of just 212 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: letting it go onto the cactus and spill out everywhere 213 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: and do everything. And but I didn't know. I didn't 214 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: have the experience where I could go go to the director, 215 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: go to the cast, see if they want to do that, right, 216 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: it's just in my head be like, no, it's got 217 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: to be surprised. They can't know. Wow. 218 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 219 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: And I didn't have the balls to go through with 220 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: it because I didn't want to ruin this. 221 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: That's probably good, that's probably good. 222 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, But it was that kind of mentality interesting. 223 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: So but I love the I love the kind of 224 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: naive ambition of it all, you know, because sometimes I 225 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: feel like young actors are just trying to play it safe, 226 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, especially maybe nowadays, where 227 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: like I'm always pushing people who are younger to try 228 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: to like step out, like try something, you know. 229 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: I really think they're playing it safe these days. 230 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 2: Are some that I know, some that I know I 231 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: don't want to I don't want to call anyone out 232 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: here on the podcast, but I feel like it might 233 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: be somehow related to social media. I don't know if 234 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: that's true or not, but. 235 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure it's true. 236 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: Right, like some kind of perception that they have about 237 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: how they should just be like kind of flat and 238 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: natural all the time. 239 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: No, I don't know, you're you're you're jet No, yeah. 240 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: I mean I'm ancient. Is really so you have? 241 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: But you had the thing where I don't know, I 242 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: grew up. This is the thing I've observed that I 243 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: grew up on various cartoons and sitcoms where they always 244 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: had a moral or a lesson at the end of 245 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, and they all had the one where 246 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: you know what was the one Carlton got in trouble 247 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: this week because he wanted to be cool for Will's 248 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: friends from Philadelphia. Yes, yes, what he learned was that 249 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: you shouldn't care what other people think and that you 250 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: should just be yourself. 251 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: But that's great. I think that's great. 252 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: But did these kids grow up with any of that. 253 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't think they did. 254 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: You ever got that special episode? 255 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it. It doesn't seem like it. 256 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: I mean. The interesting thing is I think also it's 257 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: weird to be a young person acting right, so like 258 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: you might have maybe a lot of supervision because people 259 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: don't want to, you know, the safety. People are worried 260 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: about safety. I don't know. I don't know what it is, 261 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: but I do know that that there's a bunch of 262 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: young people that I was like, you know, act you 263 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like go, whereas like for us, 264 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: we were all looking at the Nero and Meryl Streep 265 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: and you know, like actors, like real actors, where we 266 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: wanted to be super like serious and risky and you know, 267 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: emotional and all of those things. And I don't know 268 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: if that's what they are looking at now as being 269 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: there kind of their idols, you know what I'm saying. 270 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: And like for me, everything that you're saying separate from 271 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: the fact that you were in a very dark place, 272 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: which I feel really bad. 273 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: I know it. 274 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know, like god, like I got it. 275 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known it if you told. 276 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Me, wow, wow, amazing. But like for me, I think 277 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: that's partly why I really wanted to talk to you, 278 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: is that here you are so young and our show, 279 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: and our show at this point third season is pretty big, 280 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: like it's pretty successful. I don't know if you were 281 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: aware of that. No, amazing because you're just so bold 282 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: in the part. I mean it's written as bold obviously, 283 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: like you play Sam Jones. You know, Samantha Jones gets 284 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: these phone calls just in case anyone has it watched 285 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: it this week or whatever. And your friends start calling 286 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: our Samantha saying, you know, we're coming to your party, 287 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: and she's like, what party is this? And who's this 288 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: other Sam Jones? And how come I haven't met him? 289 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: And oh, he has an address that's near Washington Square Park. 290 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: He must be rich. But of course you're in a 291 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: dorm at NYU. It's also hysterical. So she and Carrie 292 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: end up at your party with a bunch of young people, 293 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: college age kids, and then she eventually you basically say 294 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: something to the effect of you know, I must be 295 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: the wrong Sam Jones because I'm still a virgin, like 296 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: you just blurred out to her at the party, which 297 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: is adorable, and she's like, oh, and then she did 298 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: she leaves, thank god, because I was nervous. I was like, no, Sam, 299 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: don't do it, because I don't remember a lot of 300 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: things when I look back, right like certainly other people's storylines, 301 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't remember what's going to happen. But then she 302 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: does relent and I can't remember right now why she 303 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: lens even though I just watched it, but she goes. 304 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty forcable. I kind of forced myself. 305 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: You do. You're like you have a lot, You're very persuasive, 306 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: definitely a lot of energy, and also like you seem 307 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: just very sure of yourself. You know, like, even just 308 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: watching you as an actor, I thought that young actor 309 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: is very sure of himself. Like, wow, I'm so impressed. 310 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: And then you guys have very athletic sex, and you're 311 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: very very funny, and the sex very very funny. Your 312 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: faces and everything is very entertaining. And then you tell. 313 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: Her you love her like a little puppy dog like 314 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: it's so sweet at the end, and then she's like 315 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: bye bye, and then you go like down in a dark, 316 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: dark freak out, which is also so adorable because normally 317 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: that's what you see women doing, right, and. 318 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: You're like Samantha at the door of Sam Jones. Sam Jones, So, 319 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: I have so many questions. Number one, do you remember 320 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: anything filming it in particular, other than that you had 321 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: a theory that you were going to put the drink 322 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: all over everyone. 323 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: I remember very little. What I do remember is well, 324 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: there were only two days. 325 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but you packed a lot in. 326 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: I remember Alan Colter giving direction. 327 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 328 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is your experience, but anytime 329 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: he had something for. 330 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: Me, he was like, definitely, definitely that thing. 331 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: And then I remember it was my first experience with 332 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: the modesty pouch. Yes, And they gave me two options, 333 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: the skin colored thong and the tarzan g string. Yes, 334 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: and they say which do you want. I remember going, 335 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: whoaoa whoa. I thought this was HBO, want to see 336 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: what happens? 337 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, yeah. 338 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: Exact delusional and I thought I was and Kim and 339 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: Kim Cattrall is like, no, but this is Kim Cotrell 340 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, So I took the Tarzan. 341 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: Thing, Okay, okay. 342 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: Do you remember why you have the accent that you 343 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: have because you're from Connecticut? Correct? 344 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: Correct? Yes? 345 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: Oh? 346 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: So what happened? 347 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think I could be wrong. I think there 348 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: was something, and I think it was in the audition 349 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: scene as well. I thought there was some reference in 350 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: the script to Texan. 351 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: Oh, if there was, I missed it, but. 352 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: Cool, I don't know. I didn't think they. I think 353 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: I didn't because when we start, okay, they played like 354 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: a jingly, jangly banjo kind. 355 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: Of they did. That's true. 356 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: I feel like that was always baked in. 357 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: Somehow got it. I thought maybe it was Culter, who 358 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: has an accent kind of like not exactly the same, 359 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: but like a little Southern isms kind of to him. 360 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know where that came from, but I love 361 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: it as a choice. 362 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it came from me. I don't think I. 363 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, you committed to it. You committed to it in 364 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: a very adorable way, very adorable. 365 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: Joe buck there. 366 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. It was really good. It was 367 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: just as I said, it was so different from the 368 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: normal guy parts on our show, which are like often 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: a little bland ish. I don't want to criticize them all, 370 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: but and then until we find out whatever makes the 371 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: relationship go wrong, right, But like, you were just full 372 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: on out there the whole time, Like I thought it 373 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: was so so, so fantastic and perfect, and that you 374 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: were so young doing that I thought was just super interesting. 375 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: And I'm curious what your experience was like if you 376 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: can remember when that aired, well. 377 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: I went to a couple of my friends from that 378 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: terrible acting school had HBO and they were in Union, 379 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: New Jersey. So I went over to Union to watch it, okay, 380 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: and so that was that was that. 381 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: Did they like it? 382 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 4: Like? 383 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: Were you were they impressed? 384 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Like? 385 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: Okay, okay? Did people shout at you on the street 386 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: and say, like Sam Jones, No, actually have not. 387 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: I it's It's the funny funny thing is like I 388 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: feel like I'm seldom recognized. 389 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: For that, understandably because you're like a grown up now, 390 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: but I mean it's. 391 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: Like every seven years somebody recognizes me from editors. I 392 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: find myself in a conversation where they're like, but you're 393 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Sam Jones. You know. You're like, it's a really famous thing, right, 394 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I'm like, okay, well it is. 395 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: It stands out, it really does. 396 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: But then six years of silence from the world passes, 397 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: and then another somebody comes up and it's like you're right, 398 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it. 399 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: I think it's because you don't seem like you're insane. 400 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: You know, like that's probably a good thing that you're 401 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: not walking around like shouting manic things, right. 402 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: If that's going to get me the people the recognition. 403 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I deserve them. 404 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: Okay, if you feel one day like you need a 405 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: little recognition, just just start shouting names, either Sam Jones 406 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: or anyone's name. I bet you you could get some attention. Well, 407 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: I think it's really amazing. And I'm sorry that you 408 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 2: were like running seven miles a day and I'm not 409 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: really eating when you were with us, But I'm so 410 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: glad that you found your way out of it. 411 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: You know, you can achieve certain states of plis when 412 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: you're starving yourself. 413 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: That is so so true. Not that we recommend that 414 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: to want to endorsement, right, definitely. 415 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Amazing the endurance of the human metabolism. 416 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: That's so true, but also like just so fascinating. And 417 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: I know as I mean, I think I've probably gone 418 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: on record many a time talking about the crazy dieting 419 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: that I've done through my career. So bad, Probably not, 420 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: I don't think to the extent that you're describing, because 421 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: I probably would never remembered my lines at a certain point, 422 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like at a certain point 423 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: you can't really function, you know, Yeah, and I would 424 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: just break down and eat French fries or something. But 425 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I've gone on really long times where I'm 426 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: like eating M and M's like I would just have 427 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: some thing where I'd be like, I'm just gonna eat 428 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: it so bad, so bad, and you can really kind 429 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: of go for a while like that. You know. It's interesting. 430 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: It's not great, not great, not great for your health. 431 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 2: But yeah, when you're you know, like if you have 432 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: some scene and in your young mind you've built it up, 433 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: you know, and you're nervous and you're not going to 434 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: wear a lot of clothes or you've got really tight 435 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: clothes or whatever it is, and you're like, I just 436 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: have to make it to that scene, so I'm just 437 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: not going to eat till then, you know, like craziness. 438 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: Craziness actors do, I mean everyone, I guess everyone does this, right, 439 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: I mean I don't know if everyone, but people are 440 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: prone to be doing things like this. 441 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's maybe with actors it's more transient because 442 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: it is attached to a job, as opposed to something 443 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: that's so baked in. Neuroses. 444 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: It's true. It's true, though. I do think I think 445 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: our neuroses are you know, baked in and then kind 446 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: of like stirred by the job, you know, what I'm saying, Like, 447 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: I certainly had a lot of people telling me that 448 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't thin enough, right, Like it wasn't just me, 449 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: you know. 450 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so you know the stuff they tell 451 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: you in this business that's accepted as normal is. 452 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty bonkers. 453 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you wonder what kind of person you'd be if 454 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: you never had done this? 455 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, But I also feel and I mean 456 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: this is just me, but I also feel like if 457 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: I hadn't had a job where I was able to 458 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: express myself, I don't know what would have happened to 459 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: me either, right, That's true, you know, like as positives negatives, you. 460 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Know, it's like the thing when in I don't know, 461 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: hanging out in la or trying to make worm my 462 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: way into the improv scene for a while, and these 463 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: be finding myself in these constant contests of one upmanship 464 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and strange high school kind of mentality and being insecure 465 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: and always trying to be the wittiest in the room, 466 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: and then finding myself hanging out with my cousins or 467 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: people who are not in the business at all, and 468 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden feeling, oh, I'm like Robin Williams 469 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: and normal people yes, but to entertainers, I'm like not, 470 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: definitely not. Robin Williams. 471 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a good point. It's a really good point. 472 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: And I do think you kind of get into like 473 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: an insular thing of like when you're in New York 474 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: or LA trying to do the you know, the job 475 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: and hanging with all the people, Well, you can feel like, gosh, 476 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: I'm like this wallpaper, you know what I mean, Like 477 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: I'm nothing. When you go out in the real world, 478 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, no, nope, nope, nope, don't fit 479 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: in here either, you know what I mean. Like it's interesting, 480 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: it's really interesting. So I'm also curious because you've gone 481 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: on to do many many TV shows and things, all 482 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Do you like it? Like, what was 483 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: your favorite job? 484 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: I think pound for pound My favorite job, which was 485 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: another starving one, was the Pacific for HBO. 486 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really good. 487 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: It was very intense and we were all starving ourselves, 488 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be starving. Yeah, yeah, and it was it 489 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: felt like it's a very serious subject. We were being 490 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: watched by actual marines, some of whom were cycled back 491 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: to Iraq at the time, and that for them, the 492 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Pacific theater was like there their lord of the rings. 493 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: I suppose. Wow, And so you felt a great responsibility 494 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: to not ham your way through it. 495 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And so it. 496 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: Felt and we didn't have you know, you didn't the 497 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: mentality about it was anyone who used a set chair 498 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: or who who who you indulged in any of the 499 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: creature comforts, who didn't who didn't participate in the push 500 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: up contests or the stupid you do. It just felt 501 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: like it felt like a real not a real job. 502 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: But it felt like it didn't feel like you were 503 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: the spoiled actor on set and everybody else was you know, lifted, 504 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: you lifted your weapon, you lifted your your machine gun emplacement. 505 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: Wow, incredible. I mean, what an amazing job to be 506 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: a part of. 507 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. 508 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic. I mean that's what we all want, right, 509 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: something that's like bigger than us, that you're just lucky 510 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: to be a part of. 511 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish they did, you know, boot camp for 512 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: romantic comedies. 513 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: And stuff that would be interesting and funny. I mean, 514 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: first of all, we'd have to get someone to make 515 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: some romantic comedies, which right now really no one's doing. Sadly, 516 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: I think sadly though I don't know. I mean, I 517 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen I don't know if you 518 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 2: watch TV, but have you seen Heated Rivalry? 519 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: No, but I've certainly heard about it. 520 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: The thing that I love about it, I love many 521 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: things about it, but one thing that I love about it, 522 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: and this I think is for me as an actor, 523 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: as someone who's been part of a romantic comedy for 524 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: a long time, and you know, you watch romantic comedies 525 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: and then kind of go through phases about how they're 526 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: done and how people respond to them, and it seemed 527 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: like for a while, irony seem to be very important 528 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: to comedies, like people couldn't really buy in without it, 529 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: and then like at a certain point there's just kind 530 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: of like people aren't going to buy in at all, right, 531 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: Like so no one's going to make them, which is 532 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: really sad. Of course he did. Rivalry about two closeted 533 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: hockey players, has the most powerful romantic comedy payoff at 534 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: the final episode or right, it's not even the final episode, 535 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: it's the fifth episode. It's a sixth episode thing. The 536 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: fifth episode, I think there's a payoff, Like it's such 537 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: a kind of almost textbook romantic comedy type of a 538 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: scene that if it weren't closeted hockey players, I don't 539 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: know if audiences could really like buy in and have 540 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: the full experience of what it is. Like is so 541 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: beautifully done the way they lead up to it, they 542 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: editing the writing, all the different parts, you know, the 543 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 2: different characters are interconnected in this scene. It's so beautifully 544 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: crafted that it makes me want to watch the whole 545 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: thing all over again, just for the craft. 546 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Aft of that place. 547 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and having it actually work like it's kind of 548 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: blows my mind still just thinking about it, but it 549 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: makes me think about you know, like Jacob Tierney, the showrunner, 550 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: he should be teaching a romantic comedy boot camp, you 551 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: know what I mean, because he knows what he's doing, 552 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that other people don't obviously, you know, 553 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: we I think we did a fantastic job of a 554 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: very long term, you know, romantic comedy TV show, which 555 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: is kind of unheard of, right because it's it's not 556 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: a sitcom. It's not you know, like you had a 557 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: sitcom class, which is also like a very specific art form, right, 558 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: but like also weird to have a class of it. 559 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's all very weird. 560 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: But they didn't teach us. The thing is, they didn't 561 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: teach us. It's not like they taught a sitcom style acting. 562 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, just like it began with the Honeymooners and 563 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: then it moved on to Wow, the Swiss Family, Robinson 564 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. It was bizarre. 565 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: That is bizarre, I mean because sitcom acting is hard 566 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: in its own way, right, because you've got an audience, 567 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: you've got like a set behind you. You have to 568 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: kind of like it's like your theater because you can't 569 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to upstage yourself. But yet 570 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: you also have to make it seem natural and tell 571 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: the jokes. I mean obviously very we're having like hardcore 572 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 2: actor talk now, But like if someone really taught that, 573 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: I think that would be interesting. You know, though I 574 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: don't know how many sitcom. 575 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Four camera stuff is very bizarre. 576 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: It is very bizarre, I agree, and hard. I find 577 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: it really hard to do. There was a certain point 578 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: of the show where I thought, you know, I want 579 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: to go on some sitcoms because people would talk to 580 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: me about like, oh, you know, we should develop a 581 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: sitcom for you when the show was over, when Sex 582 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: and City's over. But I was like, oh, I'm scared. 583 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: I'm scared. I don't know about that. So at one 584 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: point I went on Friends as a guest star. I 585 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: went on Will and Grace as a guest star. It 586 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: was really really fun, but still very terrifying, Like you'd 587 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: walk out and they'd all clap, like like a Broadway 588 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: where you just have to like somehow hold Oh. 589 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that on Broadway. 590 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: It's so hard. 591 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I hate that on broad right. I mean, it's really 592 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: who it is. It's just you're totally destroying the realities. 593 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: I agree, and I think the audience means it as 594 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: a positive thing, right, But as an actor, like, it's 595 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: very strange. 596 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: Nine hundred dollars to see Denzel Washington. You want to 597 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: make sure that like yep, and get my money. 598 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: And I think people genuinely love Denzel Washington, right or 599 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: whoever it is, right, so they want to they have 600 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: a moment where they're like live with them basically, right, 601 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: which is the joy of theater, of course, So they're like, 602 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to show him right in this moment, I'm 603 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: going to clap really hard. But then as an actor. 604 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: You're just trying to breathe and like stay still or whatever. 605 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: Like it's really strange. It's really really strange. 606 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: And you came on. They clapped when you came on, 607 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: they did you must also feel like I haven't earned 608 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: you don't know, yes. 609 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. It's very weird, right because it's not 610 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: for the part that you're doing. It's just for your 611 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: general you know, being or whatever, like Sex and the City. 612 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: But yet you're on Friends or you're on Will and Grace. 613 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: It was very strange and mortifying, like like I felt 614 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: so like egg was just running down my face, you 615 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I felt so embarrassed. But 616 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: everyone's always super, you know, like James Burrows was directing 617 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: Will and Grace, who's like a great you know great 618 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: Like if you ever want to be on a sitcom 619 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: down and say, come with James Borrow's directing, he will 620 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: take care of you. And he was like, just breathe, 621 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: just breathe, just breathe and hold, don't don't ruin the 622 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: next laugh, don't keep going because my inner anxiety would 623 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: be like I'm just gonna push through. I'm just gonna 624 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: keep going, which you kind of can't. You gotta wait, 625 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: you gotta wait. Yeah, it's super interesting. Acting is weird. 626 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: Don't you think. 627 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: I think it's weird? 628 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: No, really interesting. Okay, you know what. 629 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I think is weird. This is what I think is weird. 630 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: I think it's I'm very I've been very nervous about 631 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing. 632 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: I have to tell you what being on my podcast. 633 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, being any in any anytime I've done a red 634 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: carpet interview or any interview anywhere, I'm incredibly self conscious 635 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: about it. I find I find it interesting that we 636 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: live in this world where the people who have found 637 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: a purpose in pretending to be anybody other than themselves 638 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: are expected somehow to be happy and most joyous when 639 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: everyone's paying attention to them as they are so true. 640 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm not. I've never been. I think there's species of actors, 641 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: or there's species of you know, and I'm not. I've 642 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: really gotten a lot of respect for Robert de Niro 643 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: just as a as a public person, because people criticize 644 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: him for being a terrible interview But I I'm like, 645 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 1: he's not a personality, right, He's a guy like he's 646 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: and that's you're not, that's not what's interesting to I'm 647 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: sure he's a fascinating person. 648 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: When he's definitely fascinating, I. 649 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: Don't want, I don't care about like it's even saying 650 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: this right now, it's terrifying to me. I'm going to 651 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: regret it immediately. 652 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: No, No, you're great. Oh my god, Please don't regret it. 653 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: Please don't regret it. So this is what I want 654 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: to say. 655 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: I look going to regret the whole thing. Oh, thank god, 656 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to regret. I'm going to know. 657 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna No, don't regret it, because I completely understand 658 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: what you're saying. 659 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at an empty glass. There's nothing here. 660 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: I love it. Just pretend to drink it. Okay, you're acting. 661 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: Go ahead. So this is what I think is so great. 662 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: I think that there is a general misconception that somehow 663 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: actors all want to do stuff like this, right We 664 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 2: all want to do red carpet interviews. We all want 665 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: to be on talk shows, we all want to be 666 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: talking and the center. 667 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I thought that's what I wanted when I started to 668 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think, I don't know. I think a 669 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: lot of my friends, you know, a lot of people, 670 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: there's something that makes you want to put yourself in 671 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: a position where the world adores you. There's some kind 672 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: of basic lack there, whole need. And I think what 673 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: happened to me very early on in the business from 674 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: what I witnessed, is that being famous does not absolve 675 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: you of being an asshole and it does not actually 676 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: make you immortal. So what why you know? And it's yeah, 677 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: so that's one of and those those those delusions kind 678 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: of crumble. 679 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: Right, I think that's really correat. 680 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: Then you start coveting fame just because you realize, oh, 681 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: this is currency, and that's works more if I have more. 682 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: Of this absolutely, which is very real. That's very real. 683 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, but it's very real. Like it's not talent, 684 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: it's the currency of being well known or being your 685 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: last project or whatever it is. 686 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: And I think just more just being you know, we 687 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: live in this time now and social media and whatever 688 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: the kids are into these days. Those yes, they are 689 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: getting TV shows, they are getting represented by huge agencies. 690 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: People who watch video games online and comment on them, 691 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: and that's how they make their millions. That's what. Yeah, 692 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: isn't that That guy pewdie Pine, that's what he did. 693 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 2: I don't know who you're talking about, but I believe you. 694 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: I barely. I saw some daily on him or something. 695 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's made like hundreds of millions of 696 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: like millions, and he started he's just a guy from 697 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: Norway or something commenting on. 698 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's fully bonkers out there, okay. 699 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: Momenting on video games, and that's how he. 700 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, this is what I think about that. I think that, yes, 701 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: the world is nuts, and we're living through this humongous 702 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 2: change with AI and all the things, and I think 703 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: that we as actors just have to remain calm, like, 704 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 2: remain grounded, try to protect ourselves and keep doing what 705 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: we do because I have to believe that in the end, 706 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 2: people are going to be attracted to actual real storytelling, 707 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 2: you know, which is what that's actually what we do, 708 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: that's what we want to do. 709 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: I agree with you, right, I agree with you. I 710 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: think the question might be will they be able to 711 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 1: tell the difference? 712 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: I think so. See, I personally think so, because I 713 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: do not think. I mean, I just feel like I 714 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 2: also just have to be hopeful, because what's the point 715 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: of not you know, I can't get my mind around 716 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: the fact that this be true. But like I don't 717 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: see how like you know how for instance, Okay, let's 718 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 2: think about you in this part, right, You're like a kid. 719 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 2: You're a kid, and you are bold and out there 720 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: and surprising, and I don't even know what you're going 721 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: to do next when I'm watching it, which is partly 722 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: why I wanted to talk to you today. And you 723 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: are not disappointing. I want to add as yourself. So 724 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: how could AI replicate a human and then surprise us? 725 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 2: I don't think it could happen, do you know what 726 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I haven't seen it happen yet. I don't 727 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: think it could happen. 728 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: I get I suppose, but then don't There are actors. 729 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. I have them who I who 730 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: are and this is petty, yes, but I who star 731 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: in movies and I'm not going to name them, but 732 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: I see them and I know every single movement they're 733 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna make before you do it. I know you're saying 734 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: everything they're gonna do. 735 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. That's a valid point. That's a 736 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: valid point. But I also feel like, you know, until 737 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 2: we see a successful, you know, show written by AI 738 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: which hasn't happened, right, Like, we're about to see a 739 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: bunch of shows about AI writing, right, Like the Comeback 740 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 2: is going to be coming back. The Comeback is coming 741 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: back on HBO, and it's going to be about the 742 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 2: first sitcom written by AI, which I think is going 743 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 2: to be prettyunny because it's Michael Patrick and Lisa Kujo. 744 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: But I still am not convinced everything that I have 745 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 2: seen and or read, Like, my daughter's fourteen, she's in school, 746 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: and there's a whole thing about you know, whether they've 747 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 2: used AI for their homework, right, it's like a whole situation. 748 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: You read the anxious generation. 749 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no joke, they are the anti anxious generation. It's 750 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 2: for real. Oh it's scary. Yeah, it's scary. 751 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: Is your daughter's stat I'm not going to pry into 752 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: your daughter's life? 753 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably not. I shouldn't even bring her up, but 754 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: it's hard not to because of everything that we're talking about. 755 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 2: For the young people, we we remember life before, right, 756 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 2: thank god, you know, they don't really have a life 757 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: before all this stuff, Like it's it's kind of kind 758 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 2: of kouka. 759 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's people in. 760 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 2: My personal life, yes, younger people. 761 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: Younger people. 762 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 2: Who who are they there? Are they in the room? 763 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: Always there? 764 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: Okay? 765 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: They they The concept of when I first met these 766 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: younger people, the concept of not contacting somebody, well, like 767 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: letting contact go for eight hours with no contact in 768 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: terms of like, well, I didn't know what you were doing. 769 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know where you were. I didn't know from 770 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: the from the nineties. 771 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: That's why we were from the analog world. It is true. 772 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: You don't have to give a report every It's true. 773 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: But that person just loves you and wants to know 774 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: where you are and wants to feel that connection. I 775 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 2: can I could tell what that person's thinking. It's sweet. 776 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: You'd be the first one. 777 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, wait, I had more questions, but 778 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 2: you're just too interesting and we're so off on AI. 779 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 2: But like, I mean, wow, I'm so happy that you 780 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 2: talk to us, because first of all, you're like one 781 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: of those mystery people who are just on our show 782 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 2: once and then they go away. And that's who my podcast. 783 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 2: People love it when I can find you guys like 784 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: and all of you are looking fascinating. Okay. I have 785 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 2: to give a lot of credit to Jennifer McNamara, our 786 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 2: casting agent. I mean, man did she find some great 787 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: people like yourself. Incredible. 788 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: Good for her, yeah. 789 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: And God for you for being like like having these crazy, 790 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: wild ambitions to be James Dean, I fucking love it. 791 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: Who is your guy or go Meryll? 792 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 2: Meryll? I mean, there's nobody but Meryl for us, you know, really, 793 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, who could ever? I 794 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I mean there are other people like 795 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 2: I always loved Holly Hunter, Oh sure, yeah, because she's 796 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: Southern and I'm Southern, so I like that. I mean, 797 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: there's so many great ones. But when I was really young, 798 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: it was Meryll, like the French lieutenant's wife, you know, 799 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 2: like that kind of like mysterious Meryll. 800 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: I think all Ironweed is is that scene where she 801 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: sings He's my power. 802 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Whenever she sings incredible, it's incredible. You know, 803 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 2: she's on murder Murders in the buildings, only murders in 804 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 2: the buildings. 805 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 806 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: If you watch this show, and there's an episode in 807 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: it early on she plays an actress, a kind of 808 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: unemployed actress when we first meet her, who's just lived 809 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 2: her whole life in this kind of tiny apartment and 810 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: you know, has so much talent, but it hasn't worked 811 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 2: out for her. And then she gets apart, which is great, 812 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 2: but she has an episode where she sings I mean 813 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 2: only murders in the building, making me cry, you know, 814 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 2: like just bam because she's Meryl. You know it's magic, 815 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 2: it's magic. But yeah, I mean, you know, we can 816 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 2: the fun thing. It's fun to remember the life that 817 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 2: we used to live, right like the purity that we 818 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 2: experienced in the analog world. But you know what I love. 819 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 2: I love also that we're still here. We're still cranking along. 820 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 2: We were bringing our memories with us right into the 821 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 2: into the future. And it's really really nice to talk 822 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 2: to you. And I appreciate you overcoming your your your 823 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 2: your fears or whatever to come on because wow, fantastic episode. 824 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: Okay, well ok, yeah. 825 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're super interesting. I could continue to 826 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 2: talk to you, but I know we promised you that 827 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 2: I wouldn't keep very long because you didn't want me to. 828 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 2: But wow, you know, I wish you had more memories 829 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 2: about how your acting class friends responded. But maybe you're 830 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 2: just maybe maybe they've gone with time, or maybe maybe 831 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 2: they didn't. 832 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: Oh it's a while in the rear view. Yeah, if 833 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: Stacy and Scott san Clemente are listening out there. 834 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 2: Hi, I love it, I love it, I love it. 835 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 2: It's fun. Thank you, Thank you so much, Jacob. You're 836 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 2: very very interesting. I'm gonna have to follow and watch 837 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 2: everything you do. 838 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: Now I barely do anything. 839 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that'll last long. I'll hire you, 840 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 2: all right, Okay, great, have a great day. Okay. 841 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: Bye,