1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everybody, 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Polette, 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: and I'm editor here at how stuff works dot com 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and sitting next to me as usual as senior writer 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. Hey there, except I'm not saying next to 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: you sitting across room. I know. I just didn't want to, 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, repeat what we just did a second ago. Yeah. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: We we do these in batches, and we never know 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: which one is going to be first, the other one 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: my go live second, and then this will seem like 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: we're talking from the future instead of like two weeks ago. 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, let's start this one off before we totally 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: get derailed a little listener man. This listener mail comes 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: from Tossin and seen says, Hi, guys, I love the show, 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: although it did take me a while to get used 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: to Jonathan. Hey, Chris Palette, you're the man. I don't. 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like Tossin. I think he's great. 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: I thought you would. I'm the kind of guy who 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: is a late adopter most technology unless I immediately see 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: a huge benefit for myself. I owned the first DVD 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: player from Sony and the improvement of the experience over 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: VHS was revolutionary to me. However, when it comes to 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Apple gadgets, I'm a late bloomer. I got an iPhone 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: this past February and I was instantly hooked. So now, 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: based on the new computing paradigm that Apple has created 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: with the touchscreen functionality, I am eagerly awaiting the Apple 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: netbook slash tablet thing. I was extremely disappointed to find 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: the news on this is mostly rumor and conjecture about 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: release dates. I'd love to hear a podcast where you 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: guys can do a little history of mobile computing platforms 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: and end with some details anything official from the about 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: the Apple to But thanks again and keep up the 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: great podcast ps. You guys have slowly become my favorite podcast, 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: beating out Josh and Chuck with They're a little too 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: preachy for Me topics. Hey, you know we we try 38 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: to beat them as often as possible, preferably when they're 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: not looking and we can run. I'd just like to 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: say it took me a little time to get used 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: to this email like it a lot. I think you 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: should write it more. So we're gonna actually focus mainly 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: on the Apple tablet, the rumors around it, and what 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: we know and you know why there have been so 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: many rumors for so long. The mobile app thing will 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: probably talk about in another podcast. We've talked a little 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: bit about some of the other things like Android and 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But oh well, if we're going to 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: talk about what we know about the Apple tablet, this 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: will be like a three minute podcast. Yeah, we can't 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: do that because Emily hates it. Okay, she she's she's 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: so tired of us starting an Apple like is it? 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Is it real? No? All right, that's it. Well, we 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: have made that joke maybe once or twice. Apparently that 55 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: joke is now old. We we have jumped jumped the shark. 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: She's only one person, and you know, no one else's 57 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: she's influential. She's a journalist. I know she's a journalist. 58 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: So let's go on to the Apple tablet. Good lord, 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I want to get out of here at some point. 60 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: So the Apple tablet, Uh, rumors of this kind of 61 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: popped up ages ago, you know, years and years ago. Actually, 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: But Steve Jobs has spent the last two years denying 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: he's interested in it. That was a rudimentary time frame. 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm just making it up. Yeah. Well, but but even 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: even before that, there were some rumors based just upon conjecture. 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: But then Apple filed some patents a few years ago 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: that kind of suggested that they were interested in developing 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: a tablet. And it's not like Apple hasn't developed something 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: like this before. True, they have a pretty infamous p 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: d A that, uh, that kind of is a precursor 71 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: to the whole tablet craze. You know, we've got a 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: lot of younger listeners, so I'd like to point out 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: what a p d A is, or was a personal 74 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: digital assistant or pd A. Actually, they him on the scene, 75 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I guess early to mid nineties. They're very first ones. 76 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Um like the one that you were about to that, 77 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, basically they were they were like, okay, they 78 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: were like smartphones without the phone digital planners, you know, 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: keep your calendar, send yourself alerts um in some cases email, 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: especially when they they got later. But you would have 81 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: to sink those with your with your computer. At least 82 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: at first, they couldn't. They couldn't send information out on 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: WiFi at the very first, and of course they well, exactly, 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that that developed over time. 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: And then of course, as soon as uh Palm started 86 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: with the Trio and some of the others started making 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: sort of converging the two, the phone and the cell 88 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: phone and the the p d A, basically we got 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: smartphones and nobody wanted an individual p d A anymore. 90 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: But that came up with the with one of them, 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: the very earliest ones, Yes, and that would be the Newton. Yes. 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Actually the Newton will play a part in our conversation 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: later on. But the Newton um was infamous in that 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: it had some half baked handwriting technology when it went 95 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: to launch. You just guaranteed we're gonna get listen to me. Look, 96 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: it is no secret that the Apple's handwriting recognition software 97 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: was not as good as it needed to be when 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: it launched. When it launched, Okay, that's what I'm saying. 99 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: When it launched, saying that the that the last Apple 100 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Newton to hit store shelves wasn't the best darn electronic 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: device to ever grace the planet. It may very well 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: have been, but those first ones were rotten Apples. Well, 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: I have to say, not being an apologist because I've 104 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: never actually had my hands on a Newton, but I 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: think Apple they're delicious. Yeah. Um, I think it's one 106 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: of those situations where Apple found out then what other 107 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: companies I'm not mentioning names, Microsoft, Pista found out later, 108 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: which is the initial perception of the product. Um, it 109 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: didn't seem to matter how much it improved. That initial 110 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: perception really hurts. Yeah, so it's bad if you launch 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: a product that one of the most um, most advertised 112 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: features ends up not working that well. It takes it'll 113 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: take a miracle for you to recover from that bad publicity. 114 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, there might be one or two 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: instances of companies that were able to turn a product 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: around and go from uh completely being in disgrace to 117 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: being lauded as the best of the best, But it's 118 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: pretty rare most of the time. If you get that 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: first impression and it's negative, it's gonna stick with you, 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: just like Chris was saying, and that was the case 121 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: with the Newton. It had a It became a punch 122 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: line really for people who were desperately trying to uh 123 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: to write a sentence and and then you would get 124 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: this garbled message that made made no sense whatsoever as 125 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: the as the device tried to interpret your con scratch. 126 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: Now that that's again a precursor to the tablet days. 127 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: When we're talking about tablets, we're really talking about devices 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: that have some sort of uh interface like a maybe 129 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: a light pen or even a touch screen, um, that 130 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: can interact either with a computer or on their own, 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: uh like the way Calm tablets where it's very useful 132 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: for people who want to do design work, um, and 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and h illustrations, that kind of thing where they can 134 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: draw directly on a screen and create their their digital drawings. Yeah. 135 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: And um, you know they're the early The Newton and 136 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: the Palm basically sort of set the stage for that, 137 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, because they offered the handwriting recognition. I mean, 138 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Palm's handwriting recognition was excellent, at least a lot better 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: than Newton's original attempt. And of course there are a 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of people who swear by the improvements made in 141 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: later Newton's but um, you know, now we've got touch 142 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: screens and there's all kinds of ways to you know, 143 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: interact with it. And of course tablets have been out 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: for several years. Yeah, you know, the the tablet form 145 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: factor is not a new thing. The new thing would 146 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: be that Apple getting into this game. And UM. Back 147 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: in August of two thousand eight, the Patent Office received 148 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: a patent from Apple for a device that was essentially 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: a tablet that was running on os X because it 150 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: was supporting the touch interface and UM, and that was 151 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: really what kind of touched off the the the first 152 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: initial flurry of serious Apple tablet rumors. Now, let's let's 153 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: kind of expand the scene a little bit. In the 154 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: computing world, you've got sitting at a desk. I climbed 155 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: the twelve stairs to my office. No, we're not doing 156 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: an audio drama here. The no. When by saying the scene, 157 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the different level, different kinds of computers 158 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: you can purchase. So you know, with Apple they do 159 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: notebook computers and desktop computers. Yeah, you know now that 160 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: you say that, Actually that that's kind of interesting because 161 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: the Newton was one of the first things that Steve 162 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: Jobs got rid of when he got back. And UM. 163 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: At the time, Apple's products were all over the place. 164 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: They had all kinds of different stuff. They had an 165 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: education only PD a slash new knee thing called the eMate, 166 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: which had only been out for a very short time 167 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: before it was that was one of the products that 168 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: actually was very well liked, and it just never it 169 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: wasn't really given a chance. And that's the reason Apples 170 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: line is the way it is now is because, uh, 171 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Steve decided to make it into four parts. Basically, yeah, 172 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: you had a desktop, and you have a laptop, and 173 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: you have a consumer version and you have a professional version. 174 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: And of course now they're starting to branch out from that. Yeah, 175 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: now that they've got the iPhone and the iPod Touch, 176 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: which in a way are manature computers, and they didn't 177 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: have those products back then. So but even even now, 178 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: this is all all very controlled, right, you know, you 179 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: still have very clearly delineated lines of products. It's not 180 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: like there's a whole spectrum um so. But but one 181 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: of the big questions was that now that netbooks have 182 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: become pretty popular, you know, you had the combination of 183 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: cloud computing on the rise, you had the recession kicking in, 184 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: so people had less money to spend on things like computers, 185 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: and you had these incredibly cheap netbook computers that didn't 186 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of resources, but allowed you to connect 187 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: to the web where you could use web services right exactly. 188 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: The other part of that people started to ask the 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: natural question, which was will Apple get into the netbook game, 190 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: because you know, they don't have anything that's in that space, 191 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: and they could take advantage of that. You know, they 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: could throw in because one thing Apple's got, hands down 193 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: is selling style. Apple. Yeah, Apple cells style better than 194 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: most fashion designers. Um. Their products are beauty full, They're 195 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: beautifully designed because they are such control freaks. The applications 196 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: often also look very beautiful because they have to fall 197 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: into certain parameters. Um, They're not necessarily going to be 198 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: the best product or application for every single thing you 199 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: want to do, but it's gonna look really nice. Um, 200 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: but you pay for that style. They are premium products. 201 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: They are more expensive than, uh than PC products. Now, 202 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: before I get all these this listener mail, let me 203 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: go ahead and say if you were to build a 204 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: PC that had the exact same computing power as the 205 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: iMac or whatever counterpart, it would probably be about the 206 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: same price. The reason why you find really cheap PCs 207 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: is a lot of manufacturers will make PCs with materials 208 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: that are like like slower processors, less hard drive space, 209 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, whatever they're they're using, uh, things that Apple 210 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: would not use. They don't want to use products below 211 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: a certain threshold, okay. And also buying what what they 212 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: do and using what they do in the in the 213 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: computers and other devices. It also gives them a very 214 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: narrow set of hardware that they need to support. Uh, 215 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: you know, PC manufacturer might use a whole bunch of 216 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: stuff across the board, and then that means that they 217 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: have to spend you know, the time and effort to 218 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, either support it or end of life at 219 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: e O L it, you know. And yeah, the thing 220 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: about a PC is you you can never be sure 221 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: when you purchase one if the company that manufactured it 222 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: is absolutely certain that all the elements inside it are compatible, 223 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: because your video card and sound card might have some problems. 224 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: And I mean these sort of things do pop up. 225 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: Now with Apple products, it's much more controlled, so you 226 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. So that's another good 227 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: point point on Apple. Actually, yeah, Microsoft has to worry 228 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: about that because you know, Apples OS ten has to 229 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: work on all the machines that Apple's ever made that 230 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: were compatible with it. I mean, it knows exactly what 231 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: models will and will not work with it. UM like 232 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: snow Leopard for example, not working on the power PC processors. UM. 233 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: But Microsoft has no way of knowing whether you're using 234 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: Packard bell from or a Dell that you bought two 235 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and the processors and those and the kind 236 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: of RAM that they use and all that other stuff 237 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: are unknown, and so you know, there's some there's some 238 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: issues there. So to bring this back to the Apple tablet, 239 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: because boy did we get off on a tangent there 240 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: just saying there's you know that that's part of the 241 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: functionality there is. They go, yeah, we know exactly what's 242 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: in here, and that's gonna work. Well. The point being 243 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 1: that there's the space between the iPhone, which is a smartphone, 244 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: or the iPod Touch, which is ani computer. I manage 245 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: your computer slash and P three player. Um, you have 246 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: a big, wide gap between that and your lowest level MacBooks. Right, 247 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: there's a there's a big price gap, and there's a 248 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: big just device yeah or Mac minie. So uh so 249 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: let's say that you know you want to get into 250 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: this netbook space. Well, the Apple executives have already said 251 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: that they would not produce a notebook style computer for 252 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: around five because they would be incapable of creating one 253 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't crap. The idea here being that they would 254 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: have to um, they would have to compromise their standards 255 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: in order to create a device that would meet that 256 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: price point, and they're not willing to do it. Now. 257 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Some people have said perhaps the tablet could fill that 258 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: niche because it wouldn't be a netbook. It would, you know, 259 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: have no keyboard. It would just be a a device 260 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: that you would have a touch screen. Everything would be uh, 261 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: touchscreen enabled. You might have an accelerometer in there as well, 262 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: so that it works like the iPhone and iPod touch too. 263 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: I bet that it's going to have an accelerometer in 264 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: there if they make one. Considering the game's market for 265 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: the ip Yeah, yeah, unterst thing make total sense. So 266 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: this this device would kind of fit in that that 267 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: are that area. You know, you might be able to 268 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: price it kind of competitively with a lot of the 269 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: netbooks that are out there now. As it's turned out, 270 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: the rumors appear to state that it would actually be 271 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: much more expensive than your average netbook. I'm sure if 272 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,359 Speaker 1: your average netbook is around say, four hundred bucks. The 273 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: most recent rumors I've seen for the tablets price range 274 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: between eight hundred and a thousand dollars. Now, when you 275 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: think the lowest priced MacBook, I think is so that's 276 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: a thousand bucks right there. Would you be willing to 277 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: pay the same amount for a tablet as you would 278 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: for an actual full notebook? Depends on what you're going 279 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: to use it for. Yeah, well, I just can't imagine 280 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: doing that. It's it's to me, it's really I mean, 281 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: that device would have to be phenomenal for me to 282 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: sit there and say, you know what, this is worth 283 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: the same amount as a Mac notebook. You'd have to 284 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: see what the market's going to be for that kind 285 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: of thing. And the market for a tablet computer in 286 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: general is considerably different from the kind of person who 287 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: would normally buy a laptop or desktop from themselves, because, well, 288 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: at least traditionally speaking, the tablet computer has been aimed 289 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: at UH professionals in certain industries, like the predominant one 290 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: i've seen as medical, because they carry those those um 291 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: computers with them, and it's you know, the tablet computer 292 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: is much easier to carry than say a laptop, because uh, 293 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's more like a notebook would be, and 294 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: then they can make notes on it with the stylists. Um. 295 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: And it makes a lot of sense actually that that's 296 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: an application that that's sort of a no brainer, and 297 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, I can see artists and things like that 298 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: and people. Possibly there's the idea that people might be 299 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: able to consume media like you know, music videos, television shows, 300 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing using the tablets. So there's 301 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: that possibility as well. That brings us to the question 302 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: of what is this tablet going to use as an 303 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: operating system? Because there are two two different philosophies at 304 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: play here. There are those who think that we're going 305 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: to see a modified version of the Mac OS okay, 306 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: and then the other people think it's going to be 307 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: the iPhone OS. Well, so it'll be either a smarter, 308 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: slightly smarter version of the iPhone or slightly dumber version 309 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: of the MacBook. Yeah. See, the the iPhone OS is 310 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: very similar in some ways to the two OS ten. Yeah, 311 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: so it's not so you're saying it would basically be 312 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: something in the middle between the two. Yeah, whether but 313 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: whether what approach did they take do they take beefing 314 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: up the ipot or do they take the opposite approach? 315 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: Where you you what would you do? What would I do? 316 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: I would probably just create a brand new OS really yeah, 317 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: because it's work. It is a lot of work. I mean, 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: we don't even know that this tablet's comeing out any 319 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: time since. Okay, let's let's get that clear too. Here's 320 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: here's what I mean. The reason that was the whole 321 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: patent thing was the first step in thinking that there 322 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: was gonna be a tablet. The next step was that 323 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: there was a leak in the supply chain. Uh, not 324 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: like that kind of leak information leak from the supply chain. 325 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: There was there were these Taiwanese companies saying that they 326 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: were pretty creating these these large touch screens for Apple. Uh, 327 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: and they were screens that wouldn't fit on any particular 328 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: device that Apple is currently producing. So that led to 329 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: the whole oh this must be for the Apple tablet thing. 330 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: All of like two thousand nine, up through September, people 331 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: were arguing about when this tablet was gonna be announced. 332 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: We kept on thinking, Oh, it's gonna be announced in June, 333 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: when uh, when jobs comes back. No, it wasn't then 334 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: moll is gonna be announced on nine nine on their 335 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: big event. Note that it wasn't on that either. Um 336 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: there were six. Yeah, that that's actually that is the 337 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: latest rumor now is Macworrel January. Of course that's the 338 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: next big event that it was us. They're not gonna 339 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be a macworld, but there's a lot 340 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: of conjecture that they're going to be kind of they're 341 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: not really at c S. Well, according to the head 342 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: of C E S they don't have a space at 343 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: c S and so uh, and it would be really 344 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: hard to fit them into that. I mean, you've seen them. 345 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: They planned those booths out so far in advance. It 346 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: would be really hard to squeeze them in some place. 347 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Like you know what, Sony, you don't need that entire 348 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: width of the the room. We're just gonna cut off 349 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: this last you know, half of it. I don't think 350 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: that would work so at any rate. Um, again, all 351 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: we have are rumors, uh, stating that there's gonna be 352 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: a tablet at all. Okay, the latest rumors that it 353 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: would be available February two and that we would hear 354 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: about it either at C e S or some event 355 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: scheduled around c E S so that you know, they 356 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: could capitalize on all the tech news that's coming out 357 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: in January. UM, there were some reports saying that we 358 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: were going to see it as a a September October. 359 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening now, since September is over 360 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: and we're into I mean now. Granted, maybe from the 361 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: time we record this podcast at the time it publishes, 362 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: they come out and say it, in which case we're 363 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna feel pretty silly and we're probably gonna record something 364 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: else in this place in a hurry. Yeah, But right now, 365 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: there's no indication from Apple whatsoever. Um. Although there was 366 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: another interesting development that's going back to the Apple Newton, 367 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: and an old friend of Apple has made a return 368 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: after a very long absence. I'm guessing you're talking about 369 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Michael Chow. Michael Chow, who was one of the people 370 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: working on the Newton back in the day. Um. He 371 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: was one of the champions of the Newton, and so 372 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: he ended up taking a lot of abuse when the 373 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: handwriting recognition feature didn't work out quite as planned. Well, 374 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: based on my research, he was the person who convinced 375 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: then CEO John Scully that it would be a great 376 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: idea if you included the handwriting recognition in this device. Right, 377 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: despite some engineers of arguing that it wasn't ready, they 378 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: went ahead and did it. Anyway, Well, he left the company. 379 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: He's been away for fifteen years, and he's back now 380 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: as a vice president and as the recording as of 381 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: the recording of this podcast, we don't know exactly what 382 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: he's doing, although the rumor mill, of course is flying 383 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: that it has to be something to do with this 384 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: mythical tablet. Well, he did, uh spend some time as 385 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: the general manager for Nike tech Lab, which is uh, 386 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: you know there there they do have a partnership, Uh 387 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Nike and Apple do um they make a system that 388 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: allows you to collect personal information about your running and 389 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: walking and uh basically you can collect that in your 390 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: iPod and upload that to your computer and do all 391 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: kinds of personal statistics. Wired actually did a great article 392 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: about it, um about how tracking personal statistics is making 393 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: people more interested in you know, well all kinds of 394 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: things really, but you know, workouts. So you know, he's 395 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: it's not like he was completely away from the Apple. No, No, 396 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: it's not like you have to be completely immersed back 397 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: in Apple culture so that he can become one of 398 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: the devoted again. But well, I mean they you know, 399 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that's portable electronics right there, 400 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: so it's not possibility. But you know, they also have 401 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: these products called iPhones and iPod touches that he could 402 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: also be a I'm sorry, Yeah, I know it's hard. 403 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: They're they're really minor. Hardly anyone's heard of them. But no, 404 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: the uh yes, So we can't really jump to conclusions 405 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: here is what I'm saying. So bottom line, is the 406 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: Apple tablet reality or a myth? We still can't answer 407 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: that for sure. I think the tablet's coming. I really 408 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: do think it is coming. I think they're working on 409 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: making sure it's absolutely as good a product as it 410 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: possibly can be before they go live with it, which 411 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: may be the reason why it's taken so long for 412 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: us to hear anything about it. They're just not ready. Um, 413 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, I didn't mean. I wouldn't be 414 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: a bit surprised if Steve Jobs was, at LEAs at 415 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: first when he said they weren't going to do anything 416 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: like this. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't telling 417 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: the truth. And there's so much feedback, so many people 418 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: are interested in whether or not the company is going 419 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: to do it that maybe they're going, you know, guys, 420 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: we can we can make this happen. If there are 421 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: this many people interested in it, we could sell these things. 422 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I just want to do it right. I wonder if 423 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: that that I mean, because Apple has created markets before, 424 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: as you were saying to me earlier, Yes, they have 425 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: created markets before. They the iPhone, in in particular, is 426 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: a market that they created in a way that no 427 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: one else had managed to do. No one else had 428 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: managed to make that in road into the consumer marketplace 429 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: with smartphones the way Apple did, and they did. There 430 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: are some great products that they beat out for that 431 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: market too, and and they they even increased their market 432 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: penetration when they opened it up to developers. Once they 433 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: did that and they created the app store, forget it, 434 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: they they sealed that deal. They became the consumer smartphone 435 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: in the minds of a lot of people. I mean, 436 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: everybody's still not beating out things like the BlackBerry, but 437 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: in the minds of the average consumer, I would say 438 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: the iPhone is right up there. When you talk about smartphones. Well, um, 439 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, the App store has spawned app stores for 440 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of other groups. BlackBerry and Palm and Nokia 441 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: all have their own and uh, you know, the tablet 442 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: could take on another device to not just not just 443 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: the Microsoft tablets, It could take on the Kindle. That's true, 444 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: it become it could become an e reader device. Now granted, 445 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: the way to be a very sophisticated device something you 446 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: can replace your iPod, your computer and a knee reader. 447 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be eat ink. So it's not gonna 448 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: so your battery, your battery life isn't gonna be the same. Uh. 449 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: It also have a glossy screen because touch screens have 450 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: to use that glass level the capacitance. Touch screens need 451 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: the glass order for him to work. You can't just 452 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: have like a non glossy kind of finished. I mean, 453 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: you could put a finish on top of it. But 454 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: even so, um, if you did that, then it would 455 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: probably affect your experience in viewing other kinds of media. 456 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: So it's not going to be the ideal device to 457 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: read books on, but it could definitely compete in that space. 458 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: You could start seeing books sold in the Apple Store. Well, 459 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: since they already had the Kindle app for the iPod 460 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: and iPhone, you know, yeah, you could just just extend 461 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: it to the tablets. That's the thing is that will 462 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: the tablet run the same sort of apps that you 463 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: can get off the app store or would it be 464 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: a totally different set of software. These are kinds of 465 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: questions that would be very interesting to answer, it Apple, 466 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, we don't. I would love 467 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: to ask things like is it gonna be is it 468 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: gonna just use WiFi? Is it going to use some 469 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: sort of cellular modem? If so, are you gonna have 470 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: exclusive carrier like a T and T you know, three 471 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: G networks transitioning now into four G. You know, there's 472 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. So and unfortunately testing we have 473 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: just as little information as everybody else out there, because 474 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: Jobs has not returned my phone calls. It's ever since 475 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I really don't like turtlenecks. He 476 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: just he's been yeah, I know, he's He's given me 477 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: I won't mock turtlenecks. Oh my god, I can't believe 478 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: we made that joke. Let's wrap this up. We've been 479 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: rambling for far too long. So there, that's all the 480 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: rumors that we've heard. Um, well, we'll have to keep 481 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: an eye out to see if what what comes to pass. 482 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm hoping that we actually do see 483 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: a February launch, but time will tell. And so let's 484 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: move on to our second batch of listener mail. This 485 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: one comes from Catherine from Philly as an iPod Touch owner. 486 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: I am still cranky over Mr jobs omitting of a 487 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: camera from the revamped iPod Touch line gaming platform my 488 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: great aunt Fannie. Come on, now, we all know that 489 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Apple just wants to give people a reason to buy 490 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: the faltering Nano product line. For Chris us Okay, didn't 491 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: get a still camera but video camera instead. But still, 492 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: just wait next year. If the Touches sales dropped too much, 493 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: then Presto camera. I'll just have to hang on to 494 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: my first generation speaker with device until then. Sigh. Catherine, Yeah, 495 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: buck up, I've got a first g Why do you 496 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: have to hate on Apple so much? Catherine? I mean, 497 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: why why do you have this anti Apple bias? Oh no, 498 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: don't go there. It's just nice to have someone else 499 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: to talk to about that instead of getting all the 500 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: email myself. 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