1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: This is Cutting the Distance. Welcome back everyone to Cutting 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: the Distance podcast. This week is part two of the 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: live Q and E I did from the Pope and 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: Young Club convention in Reno, Nevada. For me, these are 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: really fun episodes to do, and I think probably out 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: of the line of podcasts in the past, some of 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: the best episodes if you're looking for high level tactics, 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: are just to better understand my hunt strategies. And this 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: is the first for us doing something live. But I think, well, 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: what I really enjoyed about it is the fact that 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: I really couldn't share you pick the questions. So because 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: of that this episode, there are a few SAW tactics 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: that I may never have divulged otherwise, maybe not because 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to, but because I just wouldn't think 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: about diving into that tactic. So I hope you guys 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Let's jump in right now to the first 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: question and go live to the Pope and Young. It's 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: it's awesome to be here at Pope and Young Club convention. 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Sixty years of Pope and Young. And I'm excited. You know, 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 1: my my kind of bases in Western big game hunting 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: obviously archery hunting. Um. So, you know, I like to 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: what I like to do. I love to do these 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: questions answers because it's a good way for me to 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: interact with you kind of you know there maybe there's 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: a question that you've had about tag draws, hunt like 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: hunt tactics, any kind of question that there is, I 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: will be more than happy to answer in And even 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: if I don't know the answer they I'll probably give 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: you an answer, um and you can google it later. 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: Don't ask me anything to do with math, please. Um. 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: I think there's some pretty weird conversions. Last the last hour, 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: I was failed that math test. But um, if it's 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: adding up six by six, I know that. Um. So yeah, 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get started. Um yeah. So I'm excited 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: to kind of kick this off of anybody. You know, 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: I just want to open it up. We'll kind of 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: create a discussion and if there's questions on questions or whatever, 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: feel free. Um, you know, I'd love to kind of 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: answer whatever you guys have. UM, so anyone want to 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: kick it off? What is your opinion on the filming 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: rules Colorado Wilderness. Oh, that's a that's a loaded question 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: getting into up politics here. Um. You know, I mean 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: I think like for the most part of filming in wilderness, 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, is kind of not necessarily allowed, especially commercial filming. 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Here's my thought. I mean, this is just my personal 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: thoughts on filming um in wilderness. I think that in 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: many ways it's I can understand the idea behind it, 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: because you don't want Wilderness is a very very special 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: thing to me. It's a very special thing to a 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of hunters. And the reason the wilderness is such 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: a cool place is because there there is no motorized 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: there's no bicycles, there's no helicopters, there's no planes, there's 57 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: no chainsaws, there's you're doing things the way they were. 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: And that, to me is like the whole reason that 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: I want to go into the wilderness, you know, I 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: want to be in a place that's like everything else 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: that's around you get back there, it's it's how it was, 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: And that's just an incredible feeling and to be able 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: to preserve and protect that is extremely important now as 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: a guy that loves to film and share and other things. UM, 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: I like the idea of being able to share those 66 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: things with maybe people that can't experience it or don't 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: understand the appreciation of why we love the wilderness. There's 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: so many people that see that thing on a map 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: and it means nothing to them. And if it means 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: nothing to them, I mean I like to think that 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: these kind of things can last forever, but I don't 72 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: necessarily know that that's true. I mean, maybe a hundred 73 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: years from now, it's like, hey, that's where we just 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: we get rid of that, you know, it's like, oh 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: that's a waste. Um. So to be able to bring 76 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: people in and share those experiences is really cool. But 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I also understand, like, you don't want a giant film 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: crew coming in. You don't want this impact. That's like 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't really go with wilderness. So in my summation, 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I think if you do it my way, where it's 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: just you and one camera, I think that that's okay. 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, a single person filming their own trip kind 83 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: of thing. I think that's a really great way to 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: share that experience of the wilderness. And it's like, okay, 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: well you self film, you do it yourself. Of course 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: that's your thought. But I kind of think it's a 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: good way of like that, trying to find that balance 88 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: of making it this big production thing where anybody could 89 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: go back there and film star Wars, or making it 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: a thing where hey, I'm just trying to share what 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: I love and like the land and the appreciation for 92 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: the wildlife and the things back there, because I mean, 93 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: how many nature wilderness films have you seen where it's like, 94 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, films in the frank Church or 95 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: those kind of things. Those are things that I remember 96 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: growing up watching and saying, that's the whole reason that 97 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to go into the cell way wanted to 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: go into the frank you know, seeing it because if 99 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: I didn't see it, I wouldn't understand it. Um So 100 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to be able to see it first and then kind 101 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: of get that dream, and that dream is kind of 102 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: what promotes people to go in and check it out 103 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: and preserve it and protect it and and be able 104 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: to share it. So that's a roundabout way of saying, 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: like I don't really know where I stand on it. 106 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: I love willerness, but I also like being able. I 107 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: like the idea of being able to share it. Um. 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, I hope that kind of answers the question. 109 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily I'm not super familiar with like 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: the the what's going on in Colorado wilderness, but I 111 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's probably fairly similar to kind of all wilderness. 112 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: Is that that kind of answer? It awesome? Thank you 113 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: anybody else? I mean, and I can also just start 114 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: talking about things. So I, I know, you based yourself 115 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: right out of you know, the Reno area here, and 116 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: when did you start venturing out into you know, other 117 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: states and you know, going into public land and other states. Yeah, 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: I started, uh fairly young. I mean I was probably 119 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: I think my first out of state hunt was, um thirteen. 120 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: My my grandpa lived in Montana, and so I spent 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: all my summers up in Montana with my grandpa, and 122 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: so that was kind of like my first you know, 123 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: grew up hunting there with him. He actually, uh, he 124 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: actually moved up there when he was younger and started 125 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: working as a guide and outfitter in the bitter Root 126 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: in the Cellway wilderness. UM. And so you know, doing 127 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: horse trips and all that kind of stuff. And then 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, when I was a kid, he ended up 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: selling his his outfitting, but I would go up there 130 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: and hunt with him and kind of learn the land 131 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: throughout the summer and then go up and do some 132 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: hunting and stuff like that. And that's actually how I 133 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: started my outfitting business in Montana. That's why I's like 134 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: everyone's like from Nevada, why in Montana? Well, I mean 135 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: pretty much my entire life lived in both places, um 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, and really knew that era really 137 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: well because he was the type of guy that would 138 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: just drive us up to the trailhead and say, okay, 139 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: like the road up and he said, all right, I'll 140 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: meet you at the bottom. Thirteen years old, like I 141 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: find your way down. It's like okay. I was like 142 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: thinking about it, and I'm like, yeah, um yeah, Ben, 143 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: for yourself, I don't know what he I think you um, 144 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: but it was pretty cool. You you like, you know, 145 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: loved being able to share that with us and show 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: us around, and so, you know, growing up and having 147 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: that experience and that knowledge was awesome. And then you know, 148 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: shortly after high school, I was like, well, that that's 149 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: the mecca of elk guiding. You know, if I want 150 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: to be an elk guide, I gotta go up there 151 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: where it's where it's on, where you can pick up 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: a tag and hunt you know, unlimited areas and over 153 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the counter tags and and really have an opportunity and 154 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: and do a lot of guiding and hunting up there. 155 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: So um, you know, and and then I think one 156 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: thing I am, I was a fairly early adopter of 157 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: just like starting to apply other places because I just 158 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: like I knew I loved to hunt and growing and 159 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I think actually growing up in Nevada was the reason 160 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: that I started going to other states because we were 161 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: one of the only places that didn't have over the 162 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: counter tags. So kind of that thought of being like 163 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: I knew a lot of adults, I was like, I 164 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: was obsessed with hunting, and I'm like, I knew a 165 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: lot of adults that would go five or six years 166 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: between hunting big game animals. And I say it like, 167 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to be that person, 168 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Like how can you do that? You know? So I 169 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: had to find other places to go. Um, And so 170 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: I kind of started even before a lot of that, uh, 171 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: before all these magazines of telling you you know what 172 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: I mean I did, I was like, that's what I did. 173 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I read and researched and started applying, and I mean 174 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: I've got now looking back, I mean I'm not I'm 175 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: fairly young and have twenty five points in most states, 176 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: so you know it's I still haven't drawn anything anywhere 177 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: by day. You know, I've got the points to cash 178 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: in hopefully one day, Um, which is pretty cool, so 179 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: kind of just I've had that kind of mentality for 180 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and you being so close, you know, 181 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: to the California side and see here in Avata Range, 182 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 1: When did you start venturing over there into the California 183 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: growing up? I wish I knew now what I know. 184 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I knew then what I know now, because it was like, 185 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: it's so close, And I mean, now I've figured out 186 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: that I could be hunting in some pretty awesome over 187 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: the counter zones where I can be pick up two 188 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: tags and really like get after it and some awesome wilderness, 189 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I could be hunting that closer 190 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: than the places I hunt in my own home state. UM. 191 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that until fairly later in life. Um, 192 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: probably about you know, fifteen years ago. Um, but I 193 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: mean still, you know, enough time to take advantage and 194 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: and do some cool hunts over there, and you bare 195 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: tags or whatever. You know, I didn't realize, like you know, 196 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: everybody's leaving California to go somewhere else, and I think 197 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: that there's actually some pretty good hunting that you know 198 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: that people don't really even realize or it doesn't get 199 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: talked about enough, because when you really think about it, yeah, 200 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: you really are when it comes to over the counter 201 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: tags and the end of the access and the public 202 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: access that we have. If you're a public land hunter, 203 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean you have endless opportunity. Yeah, there's there's a 204 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities for you know, over the countertype stuff, 205 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: and they have a lot of good stuff that I 206 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't recognize or realize. So 207 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: I think it is one of the few Western states 208 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: that probably gets talked about the least and has probably 209 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: the most potential. Yeah exactly, Well not anymore because you're 210 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: on the record. Yeah, yeah, anybody else, How long have 211 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: you been an That's a good question. So I started outfitting, Um, well, 212 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: now it's a math question. Damn. It. I told you 213 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: no math questions. Okay, let me do the math. I was, yeah, okay, 214 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: let's see one times to carry the three No, Um, 215 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: I have been outfitting for uh I think this would 216 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: be my seventeenth year. Yeah yeah, so um yeah pretty 217 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: much right out. I mean well, so I mean I 218 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: started working for a guide right out of high school. Um. 219 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: And then let's see, and then I uh, I owned 220 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: my own I started, I ran, I bought my own 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: outfitting permits and took over an outfit when I was 222 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. So that's like from not necessarily guiding, 223 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: but like owning my own outfit. Um, since I was 224 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: twenty two and I'm thirty six now, so when you 225 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: can start guiding as far as a guide or there's 226 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: an out Okay, so three times the price of the 227 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: hunt just as a guide. UM. No, you know, I 228 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: think I think that's that's a really good question. Now 229 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: if I'm I'm the one going on the hunt, I 230 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: think ten percent uh um, yeah, you know, I I 231 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: think it really just depends on um, it depends on 232 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: a lot of factors. Because it is one of those 233 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: things it's like you know, I do know, like living 234 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: off of tips is actually very true um in as 235 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: a guide. And one of the things is like, you know, 236 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: there's guides that will bust their ass and do everything 237 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: they can where do you get something or not? Uh, 238 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: they really really put in the time, and you're like, man, 239 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: this guy's this guy is making a dollar an hour, 240 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: and um, you know'd be awesome to like help this 241 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: guy out. And then there's guides that you know, I've 242 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: seen them. I've worked in camps where guides like they 243 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: just they don't give a rip, you know what I mean, 244 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: and they should probably get zero percent UM. So I 245 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: I think kind of a standard and industry standard kind 246 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: of is around that uh ten percent range um, you know. 247 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: But it also depends on the price of the hunt, 248 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: because I think if you book a um like a 249 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: really expensive sheep hunt, that doesn't necessarily mean that the 250 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the tip is generally more, but it doesn't always. 251 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: You know, you might have a elk hunt where the 252 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: guy really just busted his ass and the chip might 253 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: be five eight hundred dollars, you know, and and then 254 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: the same type of thing where it's a sheep hunt 255 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: and you went on one day and doesn't necessarily mean 256 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: that it's a four thousand dollar tip. Um, it could 257 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: be sheep GUIDs are like this guy is a um 258 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I think I think it just 259 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: depends kind of on your experience and a lot of 260 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: other things. UM yeah. But as as knowing as a guy, 261 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: I um, I it's definitely appreciated and as an outfitter. 262 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's the background of it is the 263 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: is the honest truth. Um. You know, I want to 264 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: make sure that the guys that work for me, and 265 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're all guys that really put it out there. 266 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: And so when a client comes and they're like, you know, 267 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: I asked the guys, how how did you get tipped 268 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: this week? Because if a guy is low, then like 269 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: when they go, hey, can we come back next year, 270 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: the answer is like no, sorry, like we're already full. 271 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: We're about tin know. Um it is it's I was like, 272 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: if you want the good guides and keep coming back, 273 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: you want to be the guy that they want to 274 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: take out. I mean, unfortunate unfortunately. You know, that's just 275 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: how it is. Oh, what's your favorite You've been my 276 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: favorite hunt that I've been on. That's a good question, 277 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: you know. There, I mean there's so many. If I 278 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: think about there's so many, Like every hunt, I love 279 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: every hunt. Um, there's man that's like a that's kind 280 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: of a stumper. I really do love hunting meal dere um. 281 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: One one hunt that kind of comes to mind as 282 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: like a hunt that and I told a little bit 283 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: different hunt in the last group, But mule deer is 284 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of one of my passions. Early season, mule deer 285 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 1: um one of my first bow hunts. I found a 286 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: buck that I knew would have been an archery world 287 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: record and it was a giant meal deer. And I 288 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: hunted that mule deer um for I did my first 289 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: solo trip. It was thirty days and I was hunting 290 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: one buck. And I hunted that one buck for over 291 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: a hundred days over the course of four years. Um. 292 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: I never killed that buck. Um, I had an opportunity 293 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: at him. I missed that buck. It's a sad story, 294 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: but I did. I did actually miss that buck. I 295 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I and this was I was just I never had 296 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: anybody tell me about archery. I knew nothing about archery. 297 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't all this information. I knew nothing about angles 298 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: and shooting different. It was a fifty five yards shot 299 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: off a cliff and that buck looked up. I didn't 300 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: know to aim low. I shot aimed, he jumped the 301 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: string and that arrow went right over his back. And 302 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: then that was towards the end of the trip and 303 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: his friend came out, uh like a smaller buck, the 304 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: smallest buck in the group. And I thought like to myself, 305 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I just at that point, you like 306 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: you put in some time. And I said, okay, I'm 307 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: wanna come off the mountain with a deer. And I 308 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: shot that deer and it was like a hundred and 309 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: seventy four by four um, which I was like, that 310 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: was the smallest buck in that group of ten deers. 311 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: So it was a pretty good it's a pretty good zone. 312 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: But I I always remember that that kind of hunting, 313 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: that experience because I learned a lot about meal deer 314 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: during that time that I spent um. I really learned 315 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: to like their habits, their patterns, what early season meal 316 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: dear do. And I think that by and then I 317 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: spent the next three years not filling any tags and 318 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: hunting the entire season, and I never saw that big 319 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: deer those other two seasons, but I learned so much 320 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: about hunting and so much about backcountry wilderness survival. Just 321 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean to go out, put a backpack on and 322 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: not come back for a month. It is like, I mean, 323 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: I would do restocks or whatever. But um, that was 324 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I just learned a lot about willerness skills and getting 325 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: bushy and deer and hunting, and I just I feel 326 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: like those years really probably made me the hunter that 327 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I am today. So that was a really cool experience 328 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: in a and probably one of my most memorable hunts 329 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: expanned over the course of a few years and interaction 330 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: with a really incredible buck. Yeah yeah, but your thoughts 331 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: are on expandable versus Oh, I knew that question was 332 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: gonna kind of expandables very six blades, I don't know 333 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: so far. The last the last session, Um, everyone was 334 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: on my side. I am a fixed blade guy. Uh 335 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. Um. I like, when I 336 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: shoot at something, I want my arrow to go through it. 337 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's uh grass and elk, it 338 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter moose, Like I want I want that 339 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: arrow to keep going. And I feel like I haven't 340 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: had I've tried many different expandables and I've I feel 341 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: like they're very circumstantial. Um, you know, I think I've 342 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: had them malfunction hard quartering away shots and um, I've 343 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: also had the malfunction or not go through shoulders. And 344 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: so I'm the type of person. You know, there's some 345 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: people might disagree, but you know, I've I've had a 346 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: lot of experience hunting a lot of different places. And 347 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: one thing that I've noticed, especially through guiding and for 348 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: different species around the world, you know, white tailed deer's 349 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: vitals are a lot different than almost every other animal 350 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: on the planet. And whether you're talking to guides in Africa, 351 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: guys in Australia, guys in mid Asia, like they're like 352 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: guys that white tail hunt a lot shoot things way 353 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: too far back for almost every other animal because white 354 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: tail vit. You know, lungs are so large and you 355 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: can get that, but for most species, you gotta you 356 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: gotta hug pretty tight to that shoulder to make a 357 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: really good clean shot. And depending on their body position, 358 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: and I want that broadhead. That's like, Hey, if I'm 359 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: the type of guy that hugs close to the shoulder 360 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: and if I hit something I don't want, I want 361 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: to make a perfect kill, so I go with fixed 362 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: blade pretty much percent of the time I have I 363 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: have messed with expandables when I've got a bow that 364 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: want tune really good and I know, like of a 365 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: couple it's like, okay, well I'll use it for this 366 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: hunt and just be cautious of grass and other things. 367 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: But for the most part, and I had a lot 368 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: of places and i'd hope quite often so they aren't 369 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: actually legal there, so I don't want to have change 370 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: to set up. But if anyone wants to disagree with me, 371 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm good with that too. I I see the benefit 372 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: of the expandables as well, just for flights and aero 373 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: flight and leaving a pretty big hole. With that being said, 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: what fixed blade broadhead do you shoot? Um? Current So 375 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I've currently I've shot the montext for a very long time. 376 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: UM I like that. I just started messing around a 377 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: little bit with UM a bunch of different tube blades 378 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: because just hunting in Australia, quite often we would use 379 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: tube blades over there for the bigger animals like water 380 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: buff like buffalo, because you get that a part of 381 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: it would be like a thick rib or in the 382 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: same factor, you could go in with the shoulder, if 383 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: you've got to crack that rib that extra time, that 384 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: three way, it's a lot of here to break through 385 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: rib just with that single line than double cracking a rib. 386 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: So the same kind of philosophy with shoulder blades. If 387 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: you hit an elk shoulder with a three blad, it's 388 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: like it's losing that energy. So a two blade will 389 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: potentially penetrate further. Um. I kind of also like the 390 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: idea of just like it's a little more back how 391 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: it was to blade. It was like we we kind 392 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: of like over I go, I go through and I'm 393 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: sure a lot of hunters do this, Like you go 394 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: through this phase of like going and following all the 395 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: trends and trying all the new stuff, and then you 396 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: peek and then you're like, I just want to go 397 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: back to my basics and grab my longbow and grab 398 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: my you know, two blade swiky broadheads and go kill 399 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: something because it all works. You know, it's like in 400 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: the end, you know, it's kind of the same results. 401 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit of like personal preference and 402 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: how you like to hunt and what you see benefiting you. 403 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: In many cases, like if you're a guy that wants 404 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: like really loves the flight pattern of your expandable broadhead, 405 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: and you've had good luck with it, and you're confident 406 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: in it, and by all means shoot it, you know, 407 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: because it's it's really for me archery more. It's about 408 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: the hunting and about what I personally enjoy and so 409 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: I kind of go through these phases of like this 410 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: and that and trying different things. But right now I'm 411 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: pretty sold on just based on you know, kind of 412 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: getting back to that tube blade I think is and 413 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: I've I got I've gone tobe blade and four fletching, 414 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: and I found that it's actually flying. Those arrows are 415 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: stabilizing really quick, and I'm getting a lot better. It's 416 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot easier to tune for me. So that's what 417 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: I found just recently. It's kind of a new change. 418 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, cattle, yeah, so cowolke archery, I mean, 419 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: is it early or what wins this season? Like August? Yeah? Uh, 420 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: more of like a desert yeah. I think The thing 421 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: about so that is like when you think about hunting, 422 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: So I actually kind of think about hunting cows and 423 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: bulls as they're the same species, but there're two different 424 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: animals depending on the time of year, the cows are 425 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: really like the safety net of the herd, and they're 426 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: actually quite a bit more patternable because that's how they 427 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: find safety. So they're hurt hurt animals um elk, like 428 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, their protection is in that herd, and actually 429 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: the cows, the matriarch of the herd runs that heard 430 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: up until the rut and the bowl things. He's running up, 431 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: but it's really going to be a cow. So there's 432 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: like what happens is you can actually find patterns in 433 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: what the cows do to find safety, but they also 434 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: have to do all those things they need to survive, 435 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: which is the food, the water, and then the shelter. 436 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: And those cows have that down because they're looking out 437 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: for all the other cows in that group. So what 438 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: I like to do anytime I'm hunting something is I 439 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: think about the big picture, like what do these animals need, 440 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: what are they doing, how do they stay safe? And 441 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: then how can I exploit that? In an area you're 442 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: talking about, it's a little bit drier, so you're like, okay, um, 443 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: what are those those elk gonna be tied to in 444 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: that area? So I'm narrowing like anything that I hunt. 445 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: It's a big picture down to like specific areas, like 446 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: specific things. So in that particular area it's a little 447 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: bit drier. Um, So I would actually start my hunt 448 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: focused on water, and you're gonna find that the cows 449 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: are going to be the ones that lead the herd 450 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: to that water. They're gonna be doing it regularly, and 451 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: there can be a little bit more pattern noble. So 452 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: I would actually focus on water sources, finding sign and 453 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: tracks and productive water sources, and then probably sitting water 454 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: or hunting in and around that like water area because 455 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: they're gonna be going, especially early season, they're gonna be 456 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: hitting that water pretty often, and they're gonna be on 457 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: a better pattern. And so I just exploit that pattern 458 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: and exploit that weakness. Now, if I was if you're 459 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: saying a September hunt, um, you know, and maybe like 460 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: for cow elk in say Colorado, where there's like mountain 461 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: a mountain hunt or something and it's it's a lot 462 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: more water than I would probably actually change my tactic 463 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: and I'd say, well, what's the thing missing here or 464 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: what do these elk have that um, what's that one 465 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: thing that might be able to kind of pinch point 466 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: and figure out what those particular elk are needing at 467 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: that time and kind of base it on the season 468 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: and the other things. So for your particular instance, I 469 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: would definitely focus starting on water and then figuring out 470 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: that habitat around there where they're living in neither spot 471 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: and stock that or even sitting water. It's a great, 472 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: great tactic. Uh yeah, So I will use cow calls 473 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: for a couple of things. It would be, um, still hunting. 474 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: I'll always have that cow call with me. This is 475 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: any time of year from beginning of our three season 476 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: through the end of rifle season. That call cow call 477 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: not necessarily to call the animals in, but it like 478 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: one thing you'll notice is if you spook and elk 479 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: like as long even sometimes even when you win them 480 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: when they win you. But for the most part, let's 481 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: say we're still like, you've got this area figured out. 482 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: It's thicker, Like that's there's some pretty good PJ in 483 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: that area, like pinion juniper Country's thick. You might have 484 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: to do a little bit of still hunting, but you 485 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: found a water source and you're like, look, they're hitting 486 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: this at night. You know, it's clear. I like that 487 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: they aren't coming in here in the day, so you 488 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: know they're in that area, you might have to still 489 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: hunt through the timber. I'll just sneak around and like 490 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: let's say you you bump a bedded cow in the 491 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: middle of the day. As soon as she takes that 492 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: first step, stop, they will elk will stop. I would 493 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: say of the time, if you hit that cow, call 494 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: right off the bat because their first react is something spooked. 495 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: But I heard and elk, So it was maybe an 496 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: elk Because elk are that hurt animal. They're used to sound, 497 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: and they're used to other animals around. So if they 498 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: think that that sound that they heard was another animal 499 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: or another animal is saying, oh it's okay, they'll stop 500 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: and take a look. And sometimes you can just sit 501 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: down or wait. They'll calm back down and then you 502 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: can make a stock in. There's been a lot of 503 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: times where I've been, you know, a cow hunt or 504 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: even a bull hunt, bumped something out of the bed 505 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: that I knew was like, hey, I'm at least I'm 506 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: hunting into the wind. They didn't win me. Maybe they 507 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: heard or saw something I hit that and they just 508 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: think like, oh, that's just another one of us in 509 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: the herd, they calm back down and you can generally 510 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: get a shot or you know, be patient and see 511 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: what else happens. Now, Um, you can also use I've 512 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: used like that a cow call while hunting cow elk 513 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: to call them in and and I've done that in 514 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: like September and other times. Mostly what will end up 515 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: happening is you're gonna be calling in a calf. So um, 516 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: that's actually the easiest packing in most delicious of the 517 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: elk species. So go for it, you know, let it 518 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: rip like um. But uh, generally like or if you're like, 519 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: it's not as easy. It depends, like if the herd 520 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: gets busted up, they should start talking again, and you 521 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: can't actually call them in with like a more mature 522 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: cow sound, like a longer drawn out sound. I'll even 523 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: use that. It seems weird, like more of an estrus 524 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: wine call outside of the rut. People be like, well, 525 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: that's just an estrous sound. But I found that, like 526 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: the elk, the cows really respond to that. I don't 527 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: know if it's what it is, all just like a 528 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: more sound and that like draws the curiosity of other cows. 529 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: So you might be something you want to try. Yes, 530 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: how did you get choked up with crime? That's not 531 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: who I normally think of for chills. Oh. Um, that's 532 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: a good question. I don't know. I uh oh on 533 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: you're talking on Amazon. Uh that we don't even know 534 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: how that happened. Um, that's a good I I really 535 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I think it was just we we kind 536 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: of like we were on the outdoor channel and then 537 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: we were looking for kind of another home for it 538 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: just as things went more digital, and um, we had 539 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: known some people that reached out to us and we're like, hey, 540 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: we'd love to have this here, and that's kind of 541 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: how it landed there. Um yep. I know you've covered 542 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: it in your podcast a couple of times, but East 543 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: scouting new areas that you've never been to before and 544 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: additional tips and tactics stopper. Yeah, I think, Um, you know, well, 545 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: I guess like it's always you know, you can talk 546 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: really broader, you can talk really specific. So was there 547 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: like a specific type of terrain or animal in Montana? 548 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of water too. Yeah, so um eat 549 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: scouting when it comes to like E scouting, Timber, I'm 550 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: all about topography, So I learned I mean, like many 551 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: of it's like started hunting using paper tobo maps and 552 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: I got really good at reading them, and I started 553 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: to find places that elk like and started kind of 554 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: compiling that data of there's certain types of topography that 555 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: animals prefer. And so what I like to do is 556 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: all I actually really enjoy hunting elk in the timber 557 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: and in the way that I find the places that 558 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm hunting is using essentially its topography. I turn I'll 559 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: turn the satellite imagery off and I'll just look at 560 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: the straight topo map and how the terrain underneath those 561 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: trees is laid out. And so one thing that I mean, 562 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: one thing specific to elk is you know, like elk 563 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: do live in some really steep, nasty and early country, 564 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: but they're super lazy. They love benches. They love those 565 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: like more flattened out spots. They love those ridges and 566 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: those finger ridges. So when an elk beds, like they 567 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: like to bed for safety. But you gotta think also, 568 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's goes back to that herd thing, 569 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: Like they need a spot where the herd can spread 570 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: out and everybody's got their eyes, ears and noses out 571 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: and that tends to work best on a more like 572 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: flat spot. Now they will sleep bed and some steep 573 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: gnarly stuff, but for the most part, a lot of 574 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: their bedding is gonna be find those topography areas where 575 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: it's super steep, and then you've got that little bit 576 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: of difference, that one little thing that's different than everything 577 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: else that lends itself to being good elk habitat. So 578 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: that steep ridge that kind of flattens out and then 579 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: goes down, or that big ridge that now has three 580 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: finger ridges coming off, and then figure out, okay, which 581 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: way is the wind blow in this area? Um generally 582 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: the predominant wind, because what an elk is gonna do, 583 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: or any animal really, they like to bed kind of 584 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: like if they're on a hill of some kind, they're 585 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna bed. They're gonna get comfy. They're probably gonna be 586 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: bedded with their body downhill because if they're bettered with 587 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: their body up here, they're gonna roll down. So they're 588 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: like this, They're sitting there and it's really I mean, 589 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: they can look up, they can look down, but they 590 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: like the wind at their back. So what I do 591 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: is I look at the topography and say where's a 592 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: good bedding area. And then I go, okay, which way 593 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: is the predominant wind and is there enough covering there 594 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: that they're out of the sun. And then I go, okay, 595 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: pain point that because that's where maybe I'll still hunt 596 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: or start my hunt around that They're gonna end up 597 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: there at some point in the day. What are they 598 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: doing outside of that? So now look, I'll go from 599 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: that topography of like, okay, there, that's a good zone. 600 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: Then I'll switch to that satellite image and say, okay, 601 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: now where's the feeding there? Is there is there a 602 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: small meadow in this area, and go okay, well, they're 603 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: probably they can either feed it that in the night 604 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: or the morning. And then here's their betting area. And 605 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: now I've pinpointed an area to start my hunt. And 606 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: that's like one of the ways that I like to 607 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: do that. Another feature that I like to look for 608 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: is like anything that makes this like don't like a 609 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: head basin. It doesn't have to be at an actual 610 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: head basin, but it's like the topographical uh motion of 611 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: what would look like ahead. So it's it's creating a 612 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: bowl effect. Now, the reason that's really good is what 613 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: it does is it. It lends the animals multiple options 614 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: for safe betting, so because as the wind changes, they 615 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: might want a different bedding area, so instead of having 616 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: to go all the way around. So you'll see I 617 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: mean I've hunted places where it doesn't have that feature 618 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: and the winds not the predominant way, and you see 619 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: him feeding and then you watch those elk like it 620 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: was scenario where you can see real well they will 621 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: go five miles and go bed on the other side 622 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: of the mountain where they feel safe. But if you've 623 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: got that shape like this, what happens is if the 624 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: wind comes from another direction, they can easily access bedding 625 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: areas based on the wind without having to move really 626 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: far from that feed water cover that they're used to, 627 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: so they can everything is like it's a micro habitat 628 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: where they can kind of focus in on that. So 629 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: I look for those because I know that animals, all animals, 630 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: most animals not anilope um, A lot of animals kind 631 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: of like gravitate towards those areas, So that's always something 632 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: that I look for as well. Question for a North Wales, Yeah, yeah, 633 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: so Northwest Colorado meal here, you know what I'm looking 634 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: for is similar habitat now that that basin shape is 635 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: actually like probably more important for mealder than it is 636 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: for elk um elk or more long ridges, finger ridges 637 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: in that that slope mule deer, more head basin basin, 638 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: even though elk will do that in the larger like 639 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: you find that basin figure better and larger scale for 640 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: elk and smaller scale and meal dere one thing that 641 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: I will do too. So I'll find that I'll find 642 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 1: those kind of topographical features that I'm looking for, and 643 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: then I switch back to that satellite mode and I 644 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: look for um that habitat now for the meal there. 645 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: So I generally like for me when I'm hunting meal dere, 646 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: if it's not high country, it's like more mid country. Um. 647 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: I look for that real sage stuff, UM, a little 648 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: bit more like high brush and other things where it's 649 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: like they've got the food, they've got to cover everything 650 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: kind of close by. And I really tried to key 651 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: in on that another thing that I really like to 652 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: do with meal deer, and I found that it works. 653 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: It really works well for everything. But in country that 654 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: you can kind of glass and you've got it's a 655 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: more open country. Um, you know, you might find you'll notice, 656 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: like anywhere you you'll find deer in a certain certain area. 657 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Do you're like, okay, this pocket holds deer in that 658 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: pocket doesn't. So what I do? I do three things. 659 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: I first market and I opened up my map, and 660 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: I look at the topography of that, because I will 661 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: then take that map and I will look for other 662 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: topography in the unit that looks exactly like that, and 663 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna find that you're gonna start finding deer in 664 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: those areas. And there's a lot of reasons behind that. 665 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: So the first is and it might not be something 666 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: that you even immediately think of, but there might be 667 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: some kind of plant or food or something that they 668 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: like that lends itself to that topography based on the 669 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: way the sun is, the way the sun hits it, 670 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: the way the water sheds off the mountain, and then 671 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: the way that the sun hits it as well. And 672 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, like so I kind of found this little 673 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: tactic by accident um one place in Montana where was like, okay, 674 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: I was finding mulder in these certain uh I guess 675 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: it would be a it was actually a September. This 676 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: actually like this north face, but that head basin thing 677 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: a little bit wetter, you know, a little bit more gradual, 678 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: so it's like steep then sloped down. So what was happening? 679 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: The water was coming in, there's this it was kind 680 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: of seepy in the bottom of that. I'm like, okay, 681 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: well there's water kind of everywhere. Why here, and started 682 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: glassing as like a burn area, and then I started 683 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: noticing it's like, well, what's in this burnia. There's a 684 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: lot of fire eat and then um, a lot of elderberry. 685 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: And I realized that elderberry was like crack cocaine for 686 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: these meal deer and that, and it clicked, and I 687 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: started looking for those places on the tobomap. I would 688 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: go there and I'd find that elderberry, and I'd find 689 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: those mature bucks. And it was just like, and it's 690 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: only a one two week season a window in September, 691 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: and I've found more like big meal deer in this 692 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: archery season during that time in those areas. And so 693 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: year after year, you know, and then as the water changes, 694 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: it would change. But I would find where the animals 695 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: are while I'm out there and then try to replicate 696 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: it throughout the unit. And that gives you more places 697 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: to focus in on, and especially when you find we 698 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: start finding mature deer because there's something that mature deer have, 699 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: like there there's they live in an area, and it's 700 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: like there's a reason that I always say, like birds 701 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: of a feather flock together, you know, if like mature 702 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: animals maybe in a certain place and they're kind of 703 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: all together, it's like because they can survive there, they 704 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: can get the age, they can get whatever. And so 705 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: by focusing in on what did these deer in this 706 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: place have and where can I find it other places, 707 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: it increases the amount of spots that you can go 708 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: check and have a good likelihood of finding what you're 709 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: looking for. If that makes sense. Yeah, can you talk 710 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: a little bit more about Yeah, familiar with the plant? Yea, yeah, 711 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: so uh elk really so elker grazers and whereas like deer, moose, 712 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: er browsers, um, they digest their food completely different. Grazers 713 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: need grass and so some of the best high protein 714 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: grasses fescue um. So I I really try to focus 715 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: on those south facing slopes that have that fescue um. 716 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: It'll be like anytime there's a timber pocket it's like 717 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: open meadows and sometimes you know it depending on where 718 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: you're at, you'll be like, oh, here's a meadow, but 719 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: what kind of grass is in that meadow, because some 720 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: really wet meadows have grass, but it's not really high 721 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: forage grass um. So actually sometimes those more drier, higher 722 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: slopes on the south, on the south facing slope, they 723 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: get a lot of sun. They actually are really good 724 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: at holding that rescue and it's a pretty good high 725 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: protein grass that elk kind of gravitate towards because it's 726 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: like they get more pound per per month, and so 727 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: I try to find those areas. It's like open areas, 728 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: more grass um, and you're gonna find probably more elk 729 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: in that kind of in that kind of country if 730 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: it's in where you're at, you know, but primarily focusing 731 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: on graph it doesn't matter where you are, focus on 732 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: grass for elk for sure. I appreciate you all tuning 733 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: in this week. Next week is going to be our 734 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: final installment of the live Q and A, so you 735 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: won't want to miss that. I think there's a lot 736 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: of great questions asked and answered still that you're gonna 737 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: learn some things from. So make sure to tune in 738 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: next week and check that out. Also, don't forget to 739 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: send me your own questions at remy warrant on Instagram 740 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: is the easiest way to do it, send me a 741 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: direct message and for future podcasts of Q and A's 742 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: I'll be using those, but also I'll be using it 743 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: to kind of drive the discussion and the topics for 744 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: the next few podcasts in the coming months as we 745 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: prepare for the season. So until next week, I want 746 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: you all to keep the on alive. Yes that was 747 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: alive part to end the podcast. H