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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hello everyone, welcome to your your zillion

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Speaker 1: episode of the Almost Amos podcast to hit your apps

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Speaker 1: app this month. We are so grateful for you guys

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Speaker 1: and joining us in the twelve days leading up to

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Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. Hello today twelve. This is day twelve and

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Speaker 1: we have the ladies of the hour here, Gabby and Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Ben you're ready to get him on? All right, ladies,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Um, I have

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Speaker 1: a dying question that I need to start with. Okay,

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Speaker 1: why's the first episode? And I was so stressed because

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Speaker 1: it brought me back to my single days, like going

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Speaker 1: out with friends or like meeting guys with friends and

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Speaker 1: me being so worried that they were going to like

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Speaker 1: the same guy. So there's this scene where you guys

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Speaker 1: like reconvene after having some solo time with the guys

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Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, so who do you like? And like,

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Speaker 1: did you kiss anyone? Were you so freaked out that

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Speaker 1: like one like the other one was going to say

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Speaker 1: that she had already kissed the guy that you were eyeballing?

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Speaker 1: Not really, I mean we've already kissed the same guy before.

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Speaker 1: You didn't think the kiss was like locking a down

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Speaker 1: night one? Yeah, we were, I mean not. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: afraid you're going to have kissed someone I liked, because

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Speaker 1: then at least I could have known if he was

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Speaker 1: a good kisser. We compare now serious, you're supportive. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was really ever thought in my mind.

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Speaker 1: I think we're both so excited for each other and

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Speaker 1: for ourselves that, you know, you really get swept away

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Speaker 1: on the first night. So there's just not even a

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Speaker 1: lot of room to think what if because so many

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Speaker 1: fun and good things are happening, and we're always going

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Speaker 1: to be supportive of each other. So you guys are

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Speaker 1: a spe actual special breed. I'm thinking back on my

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Speaker 1: time in Paradise night one and just being like Jade

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Speaker 1: is talking to Jared for too long, and you guys

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Speaker 1: are just like, Tress great, is he good? Should I

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Speaker 1: try it out? It's definitely different. Yeah, it's so different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we obviously were both on Clayton season together, and we

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Speaker 1: knowing we were going to be dating, you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the same guys, right, and I had to be open.

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Speaker 1: Time really wasn't contingent. So it's like if there was

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Speaker 1: one guy that we both kissed or both like there's

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Speaker 1: thirty other so it's like there's plenty of fish in

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Speaker 1: this sea, there's no scarcity. That's amazing, Bravo. It is impressive.

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Speaker 1: It is impressive because I don't know if I could

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Speaker 1: do it. I don't know. I think I had dated

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Speaker 1: the same person of interest in the same person my

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Speaker 1: best friend. I remember this back in high school and

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Speaker 1: they were telling me about their dating a story and

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Speaker 1: I got jealous. So kudos the two of you. That's

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Speaker 1: why you're sitting in this position. So it leaves me

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Speaker 1: ask the question that so many people have been wondering.

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Speaker 1: When you found out that you both would be bachelorettes,

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Speaker 1: were you excited about this or would you have rather

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Speaker 1: been the other way around where only one of you

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Speaker 1: was chosen? Yeah, I mean I think we just had

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Speaker 1: doing it together, and obviously we kind of learned at

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Speaker 1: me either. I think when we were announced at the

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Speaker 1: So there really wasn't even any time and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: You know, they guaranteed that it would be us throughout

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, which is what we were concerned about.

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Speaker 1: I think at the beginning, given the other time that

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Speaker 1: So it's like best case scenario to have a friend

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Speaker 1: the moment you found found out you're gonna be bachelor,

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Speaker 1: right did you know backstage, like you'd signed the contract,

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Speaker 1: same time as everyone else. Yeah, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Like when Jesse announced it live on after the final rows,

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Speaker 1: They're like, you're going back out, and you're like, for what?

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Speaker 1: How it happens that way? I mean, I remember when

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Speaker 1: it's your it's your deal, and I said, I won't

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Speaker 1: because of the support you showed for each other, people

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Speaker 1: for the two of you as humans, what was important

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Speaker 1: uplift each other? So what was unique with each one

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Speaker 1: of you and how you kind of approached being the bachelorette? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think for me, I don't care

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing, Yeah me, dude, there really wasn't

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Speaker 1: know they mentioned free will actually, and so many times

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Speaker 1: picking drafting you. I don't know. We have to tune in. Unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: you're good at this, Just say tune in and nobody

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Speaker 1: can ask a follow up. Well, it is something I

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Speaker 1: It's been six years, so at least the next six

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Speaker 1: you because there's more men now than ever before. What week?

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Speaker 1: Be honest with me, what week did you feel like

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Speaker 1: you started to know the men's names confidently? Were you

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Speaker 1: like what's their name again? When did you start to

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