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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Do you a Elizabeth Dtton?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Zaren?

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you, if you can put

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Speaker 2: your phone down for a second. No, well, I got

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Speaker 2: a question for you. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do? Here you go, I'll tell you what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I get those emails. I had the

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Speaker 3: whole like not really identity theft, but kind of like email. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it started back up again, but I started getting emails

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Speaker 3: from colleges again saying your student Like I got one

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Speaker 3: today from Thomas Moore University and what is this Kentucky? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're like, you know what, your student has been selected?

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Speaker 3: They have, you know, impressive potential.

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Speaker 2: Is this like an admissions letter?

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Speaker 3: No, but it's saying like, go ahead and apply because

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Speaker 3: your kids rad Well, I don't have a kid, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want it. If I had a kid, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want him to go to Thomas. I've never heard

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Speaker 3: of it. So but here's the thing, Like it came

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Speaker 3: into my inbox and it pushed out of the top

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Speaker 3: spot an email that I got from Postmates, and Postmates

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Speaker 3: sent me an email that said new fashioned dining has finally.

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Speaker 2: Arrived again.

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Speaker 3: From the So here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Go on.

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Speaker 3: They have a thing called takeout Fit, the world's first

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Speaker 3: outfit designed for eating the way you actually eat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but outfit for how you actually eat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's just like a sheet with a hole in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no cloth you just put your head, just

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Speaker 2: fall off and you look like you look fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Well so it says, you know, I said, new fashion

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Speaker 3: dining has finally arrived. From the food stabilizing surface to

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Speaker 3: the hot dish diffusion panel, every inch of the takeoutfit

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Speaker 3: has been custom made with eating in mind. Plus, we're

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Speaker 3: giving you four dollars off twenty dollars with the code

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Speaker 3: for takeout so you can order your favorite sloppy foods

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Speaker 3: to try it out.

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Speaker 2: I was close on this. I'm telling you what the

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Speaker 2: hole and then go.

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Speaker 3: On, ready to ignore your dining table like never before.

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Speaker 3: Check out a few of the features, then had to

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Speaker 3: takeoutfit dot com to get yours. It has detachable napkin sleeves.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, and they say we make a mess. We

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Speaker 3: dare you. It has a food stabilizing surface.

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Speaker 2: You're on table.

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Speaker 3: I guess its.

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Speaker 2: A built in table, that fit with a built in table.

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Speaker 3: It has an emergency utensil like you know how bomber

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Speaker 3: Jackets have the little pocket on this sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the map they stick a spork in it. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: there it is. And apparently it only lasts Oh, it

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Speaker 3: only expires four twenty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I actually was interested in this one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the discount code is only a good

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Speaker 3: till four twenty. That it's available while supplies last.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so where do I get one of these

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Speaker 2: T shirt outfits?

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Speaker 3: Listen to what I said, takeoutfit dot com.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, okay, and yeah, let.

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Speaker 3: Me find out how Hold on a second, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: find out how much this thing is kind of cost you.

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Speaker 3: I gotta scroll through all this. Give me the takeout fit.

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Speaker 2: Because you know I'm willing to spend a little.

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Speaker 3: Does it come in the mall or do they deliver

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Speaker 3: it through Postmates? It's fifty bucks, fifty bucks. It goes

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Speaker 3: extra small, small, medium, large, extra large.

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Speaker 2: All right, you get it in May, and it comes

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Speaker 2: with a table a right.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. Limited supplies.

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Speaker 2: Damn, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you got a second. Now that we've discussed

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Speaker 2: my next fit. I got to start for you about

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Speaker 2: your favorite song and what it really means. Okay, of course.

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Speaker 2: I also there are the criminal implications and the scams

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Speaker 2: and legal conundrums connected to your favorite song.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, this is Ridiculu is Crime a podcast

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Speaker 5: about absurd and outrageous capers, heist and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent motor free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous. Elizabeth zaren the Eagles. Yes they are not

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Speaker 2: your favorite band. No, correct, Yeah, that's correct, But they

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Speaker 2: are the band that wrote and played your favorite song.

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Speaker 2: That is true Hotel Californy.

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Speaker 3: I hate to admit it, but yes, everyone hates that

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Speaker 3: song that is my favorite.

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Speaker 2: People hate the song.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a lot of people hate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh that is su she I thought. I know people

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Speaker 2: hate like free Bird because if they become a joke.

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Speaker 2: And I know there's certain songs people hate that are

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Speaker 2: of that era. You know, some Christopher Cross comes to mind,

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Speaker 2: some Peter Frampton comes to mind. But the Eagles, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: They're Frampton comes a lot exactly.

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Speaker 2: But Hotel California is detested.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I I I'll admit that storm. You

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Speaker 3: know what, what do I care? It's my favorite song?

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Speaker 2: Why do you love it?

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Speaker 3: Uh? You know? Why? Does the wind blow? Does the

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Speaker 3: rain fall on the plane?

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Speaker 2: The Big Lebaski has that version by the Gypsy Kings,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a Flamenco version. Yeah, that's my favorite version,

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Speaker 2: I have to admit. Yeah, just because I mean, nothing

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Speaker 2: against the Eagles is really like, Okay, can I meet

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Speaker 2: the clown prince of rock and roll personally? Because I will, Dude,

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Speaker 2: he's like the Rick Flair of rock and roll. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So today I wanted to tell you this story about

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Speaker 2: the song, right, but also about the lyrics. The lyrics sheets,

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Speaker 2: it just kind of basking all of the glory that

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Speaker 2: is the Eagles. Okay, so you know they're kind of

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Speaker 2: like a lean, mean, sinister, somewhat criminal band. Would you

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Speaker 2: would you say that's fair? Yeah? Yeah, okay, the Eagles are.

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Speaker 2: There are a bunch of dudes who are not from California, right,

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Speaker 2: I looked it up, right, So Glenn Fry he was

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Speaker 2: then Don Henley he's from Texas. Joe Walsh was from Kansas.

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Speaker 2: Don Felder was from Florida, and Randy Meisner, the bass player,

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Speaker 2: he was from Nebraska. Yeah, okay, if you bring them

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Speaker 2: all together, suddenly, somehow you get this one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: just sunny yet sinister California.

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Speaker 3: Band is such a sinister quality to them, and I

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Speaker 3: love them.

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Speaker 2: That's part of what you love. That's part of what

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Speaker 2: I respect personally, and especially that dude Glenn Fry, like

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Speaker 2: even after he left the band, and like when Don

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Speaker 2: Henley went on to sing about like like where have

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Speaker 2: the Boys of Summer gone?

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Speaker 3: Was the heart of the matter exactly? I was just

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Speaker 3: trying to get back to the heart of the matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right there, Yes, correct, Glenn Fry, You just careful

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Speaker 2: writing about the criminals and drugs and fast cars.

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Speaker 3: Was his uh smugglers Smugglers blues.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's like the soundtrack of Miami Vice.

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Speaker 3: Oh totally when he was on Miami Vice exactly, And I.

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Speaker 2: Assume also mini cocaine related real world crimes too. Imagine

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Speaker 2: that was the soundtrack playing. Sure, I'm just saying, but

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Speaker 2: so and the he does the heat is what did?

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Speaker 3: What was the one like shakedown breakdown your buss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was like, yeah, yeah, what do the eagles

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Speaker 2: mean to you? I keep saying what they are to me?

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Speaker 2: I barely love them. I like them, but I respect them.

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Speaker 2: But like, what are they to use eagles? You mean?

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Speaker 2: So there we go. See. I even I added, you know,

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Speaker 2: an article that doesn't belong It.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense to say it without the article.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: What what was your question again?

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Speaker 2: What do they mean to you? Like? Like, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, there's a California. If you're a native California.

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Speaker 3: I have to write an essay? What the eagle?

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Speaker 2: Does the eagles mean to you? Elizabeth? I mean, just

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Speaker 2: like you can say a couple of words, you know,

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Speaker 2: like word association. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of when I was little hearing the music,

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Speaker 3: and it reminds it. I don't know. They capture. I've

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Speaker 3: talked about this before on this show. I believe my

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Speaker 3: concept is peak California, and they are they they are

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Speaker 3: part of that. They are Peak California, so.

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Speaker 2: They encapsulate Peak California. All right, Well keep all that

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Speaker 2: appetizer if you will, Okay, get into a what do

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Speaker 2: you call a moose boush? Right, this is a very

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Speaker 2: Eagles story. It's nineteen eighty March twentieth to be specific,

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Speaker 2: New York City, Manhattan to be specific. A twenty eight

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Speaker 2: This dude's name is Joseph Paul Rivera, and Joe Paul

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Speaker 2: has come to Manhattan to speak with the Eagles. Oh right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you said, man. But he's like, I'm going to New York.

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Speaker 2: The reason is, you know. He walks up to this

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Speaker 2: Asylum Records building, which is their label. So he goes

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Speaker 2: and says, I would like to speak to the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, sorry, the Eagles are not here, right,

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Speaker 2: I would like to speak with the Eagles. They're like, sir.

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Speaker 2: It's so, what does the twenty eight year old textan

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Speaker 2: So he pulls out a gun. Oh, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: He repeats his west, I'd like to speak to the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: and he has the gun for emphasis. Right, So now

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Speaker 2: people are listening, at least one of them. Right. He's like, no,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to the Eagles. They're like, sir,

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Speaker 2: this is the record label. He's like, oh, can you

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Speaker 2: get them on the phone. I just call them up.

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Speaker 2: You have their numbers, good on good Glenn Fry or

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Speaker 2: Joe Walsh or I'll even talk to Jackson Brown. I

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Speaker 2: know he's not an Eagle, but I'll talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to him. He can get them the message.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So now everyone in the office they're freaking out about

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Speaker 2: this is ever one person, the office manager. They're cool

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Speaker 2: with it. Not cool with it, but I mean they're

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Speaker 2: a cool headed customer. They're like, sir, just come with

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Speaker 2: me into this back office. So the gun is like, okay,

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Speaker 2: am I gonna get on the phone and talk to

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Speaker 2: Joe Walsh Like yes, you'll come right this way. So

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Speaker 2: everything's quiet when she gets this guy into the back

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Speaker 2: office until suddenly boom, everyone in the main office assumes

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Speaker 2: it's like sounds like furniture fell, right, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: something really bad has happened. Well, really something bad has happened,

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Speaker 2: but nothing fatal. Joe Paul has just fired his pistol

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Speaker 2: into the ceiling tiles. Don't know why, only the office

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Speaker 2: manager could say. And then he tells the office manager, look,

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Speaker 2: really need the Eagles to lend me twenty five hundred bucks.

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Speaker 2: She's like what. He's like, yeah, man, just She's like, well,

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Speaker 2: can't you take it easy? Yes? So I added that

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Speaker 2: last part anyway, So Joe Paul, he tells her this

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Speaker 2: liked this hard luck story. He's like, my truck was

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you how I would have solved that

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Speaker 2: but like, no shots Joe Walsh, thanks man, no shots fired?

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Speaker 3: And there you go a fun down again. See hello,

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I found that. Yeah, which brings us to their biggest

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Speaker 2: couple of questions for you about your favorite song? Number one?

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Speaker 2: know what? I really what?

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Speaker 2: That their favorite party?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'll tell you what I do

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Speaker 2: Okay, I listened to a bunch. I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: That's the did you ok number? Question? Number two?

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Speaker 2: Did you know it's considered the greatest guitar solo of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that duel arpatios of Joe Walsh and Don Felder. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Solo, third top one, the top.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had to hear before me. But my notes,

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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 2: Very Best of the Eagles, there's a section called Conversations

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Speaker 2: songwriters admit that their band's biggest song, the song that

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Speaker 2: Originally what they wanted to call it was Mexican reggae,

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Speaker 2: Like we should probably give it a real time.

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Speaker 3: Would the chorus be welcome to the Mexican reggae exactly on?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you had to tell people your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could do it.

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Speaker 2: You can knuckle up.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll tell whatever. No, I'll tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: You always are. Do you speak on it? I do

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Speaker 2: a lot of people believe your favorite song contains coded messages?

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Speaker 3: I think I've heard that.

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Speaker 2: Do you know about the reverend in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: It says it's like Satanic?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay. In nineteen eighty, this dude, Reverend Paul Risley

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Speaker 2: and at Hotel California referenced some hotel LaVey had recently

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies. Huh, He's like, this was not

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Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Again, not true, but yes, that is a known rumor.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can check out anytime you like. You never leave, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: What I would like you to do is check into

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Speaker 2: the These commercials were about a leave. We're gonna take

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Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, We're back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Don Henley, Yeah, what about them? I'm just saying words

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Speaker 2: at you. Don Henley, the singer and drummer, Right, he

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Speaker 2: is somebody who has been always rather well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's been both prickly and tickled by the fans and

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Speaker 2: the response to his words. Yeah, sometimes, like he's been

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to find somebody who would decode the

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Speaker 2: The title the video is the true meaning of Hotel California,

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Speaker 2: right to the source, perfect right. It's fourteen minutes long,

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Speaker 3: I'll get out of town. You know what if it

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Speaker 2: are thirteen more minutes to go after he says, I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you the meaning. Yeah, not only that, but

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Speaker 3: Watched the rest of the very research.

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Speaker 2: I guess couldn't out myself right because it's got two

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Speaker 2: and they're like, well, see him not do this.

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Speaker 3: get into it? Looks I couldn't tell you, and then

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I know that's a good question, right I

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Speaker 3: How many people just have it as part of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they get a lot of clicks, just

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Speaker 2: going I'll just stay here because I did this thing. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he does have one good point the narrator. He said

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Speaker 3: Great truth.

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Speaker 2: But then I thought, wait, a minute. Bro, you titled

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Speaker 2: Felder writes the music and they write the words, right. So,

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Speaker 2: the story of this person on a long drive across

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00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: an empty desert and he pulls into rest somewhere, you know,

438
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 2: for the night, and he encounters is, in Fry's words, quote,

439
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: a weird world peopled by freaky characters. And then the

440
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 2: narrator is quote quickly spooped by the claustrophobic feeling of

441
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 2: being caught into disturbing web from which he may never escape.

442
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, that's kind of what you say

443
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: in the lyrics. It seems a little more heavy handed,

444
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: but anyway. In BBC two interview, Glenn also said, quote

445
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: one line says there's a guy on the highway, and

446
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: the next line says there's a hotel in the distance.

447
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: Then there's a woman there, then he walks in. So

448
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 2: it's one shot it's all sort of strung together and

449
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 2: you sort of draw your own conclusions from that, which

450
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: is really I think the brilliant song. Yeah.

451
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

452
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 2: So then he's also you know, you know, basically patting

453
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: himself on the back for this, and he says, quote,

454
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 2: we take this guy and we make him like a

455
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: character in The Magist, where every he walks through a door,

456
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: there's a new version of reality. We wanted to write

457
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 2: a song just like it was a movie. Right now.

458
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: The magic is for you know, I didn't know. This

459
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: is a book by John Fowls. It's also the book

460
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: that inspired David Fincher's film The Game.

461
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that, all.

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: Right, I didn't know. I don't know this book at all.

463
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 2: It's about an English teacher at the Lord Byron School

464
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: on some Greek island and he's bored, despondent, self destructive, suicidal.

465
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 2: He meets a Greek recluse who may or may not

466
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: have been a Nazi sympathizer during the war, and the

467
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: two men then enter in the psychological game called God Game,

468
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: and apparently in the course of their game, the men

469
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: engage in small plays to conjure up one the world

470
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: of the Marquis de Sade. Two they do parodies of

471
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: Greek myths, and three there's re enactments of Nazi occupations.

472
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: Oh those are three winners, winning topics.

473
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, the narrator loses their sense of what is real

474
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 2: and what is unreal. And then that was Fry Gunnfry's

475
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: primary inspiration for Hotel California.

476
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: Did you know that Glenn Fry's name is actually Glenn Froyd?

477
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: And he saw a pair of Fry boots and was

478
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 3: so inspired he changed his name.

479
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: I do know that's fake. I'm not buying you. Well, Okay,

480
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Don Henley, the other songwriter told you about He always

481
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: tells this story of what the song is about slightly differently.

482
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: He once told Howard Stern quote, if you drive into

483
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: La at night, you can just see this glow on

484
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: the horizon of lights and the images that start running

485
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: through your head of Hollywood and all the dreams that

486
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: you have. So he's much more like into the fame game.

487
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: And then he of course found out, as many people

488
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: before him had already done, Hollywood dreams can quickly turn dark,

489
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: and as Henley then told the CBS News and a

490
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: much more sanitized version of the story quote, it's a

491
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: journey from innocence to experience. It's not really about California.

492
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: It's about America. It's about the dark underbelly of the

493
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: American dream. It's about excess, it's about narcissism, it's about

494
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: the music business. You can have a million interpretations. Now.

495
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: I like how we tried to work an end of

496
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: the innocence. Yeah, in there a little pluggy plug.

497
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: You know, by my stuff. Elizabeth. Did you know the

498
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: song is also about a real hotel?

499
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: No?

500
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: Yes, is it? Wait?

501
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: Is it tell me?

502
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: The Beverly Hills Hotel. I kind of like the Chateau

503
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: Marmont was just which is like a mile east or

504
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: so on Sunset Boulevard. They ended up becoming these symbols

505
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: of Hollywood decadence and rock star glamor in the Polo

506
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: Lounge totally, the Beverly Hills Hotel in particular, it came

507
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: to represent all the what was dark and sinister about

508
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: the Hollywood experience, all this empty and soul list there

509
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: everything that the Eagles were encountering when they got successful. Right,

510
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: So Don Henley put it, quote, we were getting an

511
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: extensive education in life, in love in business. Beverly Hills

512
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: was still a mythical place to us. In that sense,

513
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: it became something of a symbol and the hotel the

514
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: locusts of all that La had come to mean for us.

515
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: In a sentence, I'd sum it up as the end

516
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: of innocence, round one. He got it in there, he did.

517
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: He got it in there. I think it's it's a

518
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 3: metaphor for the state itself. In terms of how I

519
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: see it, it's the notion of California, the myth of California.

520
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. They kind of go back and forth on this. Now.

521
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: It's interesting when he says the end of endoc it's

522
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: round one. Uh. You know, I always hear him basically

523
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: just saying cocaine. I just hear like, so it's like,

524
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, whatever, it's there. It's all I got caught

525
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: in a snowstory exact, you know what I'm talking about.

526
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: The blizzard hit me and I just went with it,

527
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: sticking with our theme of cocaine. Elizabeth, you know how

528
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: cocaine is like my least favorite drug. Well not so

529
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: for the Eagles.

530
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: Huh.

531
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

532
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: If we were playing a word association game and you

533
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: said cocaine, I'm pretty sure. Like the fourth thing I

534
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: would say would be the Eagles, because I do know

535
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: this about the Yeah, exactly, there'd be a couple of

536
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: people ahead, like Rick James Stephen Nick's the Eagles. But anyway,

537
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: the Eagles are one of those bands that we go

538
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: and face with a question of what should we do today?

539
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: Someone in the band seemed to always have the answer,

540
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: which was, what if we do some cocaine about it?

541
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: Why not?

542
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: You know?

543
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: See where that takes us?

544
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: And so happened.

545
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the story about the time Hollywood

546
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: almost made the Hotel California the.

547
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: Film No, oh dear, Yeah.

548
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: So we've been talking about, you know, the cinister side

549
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: of the Mexican reggae tumb You love right, but I

550
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: promise you there is a story of a giant mount

551
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: of cocaine that will get in the way of the

552
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: Hotel California the movie. Oh yeah, just just let that

553
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: just tit there down the road. You're on a dark

554
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: desert highway and in front of you is a giant

555
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: of cocaine. Okay, anyway, Julia Phillips, you know her producer? Yes, okay,

556
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: she was a good one to first female producer to

557
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: win an Academy Award for Best Picture nineteen seventy three

558
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: The Sting, starring Robert Redford and Paul Newman, director George

559
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: roy Hill, Julia Philbert. She also produced A Taxi Driver, Yeah,

560
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: Close Encounters of the Third Kind. She was like Steven

561
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: Spielberg's go to, but he was like coming up. She

562
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: got him his first written and directed credit for ET

563
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: and that was took a little finagling. Yeah, he was

564
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: a big time So in nineteen ninety one, she published

565
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: a tell all memoir called You'll Never Eat Lunch in

566
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: This Town Again.

567
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: So good, You're it's so good.

568
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you know this book. So the book basically

569
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: just drops the pants on everyone you know from the

570
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: seventies and the eighties in Hollywood, and some people from

571
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: the sixties, and some people who would extend well into

572
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: the nineties, but and some people who are still very.

573
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: Much back today.

574
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: So she's just out there telling tales and she gives

575
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: a great story about the Eagles, and yes, cocaine was involved.

576
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: So the band was a time suing David Geffen and

577
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: he was apparently their former manager and they had gotten

578
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: into it. So sensing an opportunity, Julia Phillips started to

579
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: sweep in and go, hey, you want to come make

580
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: a movie. So in his book To the Limit, Don

581
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: Henley tells the story. He recalls the meeting and he wrote, quote, Glenn,

582
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: and I remember that day quite vividly. Now we have

583
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: two versions of these same fateful events. So I decided

584
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: I'd just tell it myself. So without further Ado, Elizabeth,

585
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your eyes.

586
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: Alick.

587
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: You're in a mansion in Malibu, right there at the beach.

588
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: The year is nineteen seventy four. Now they are a

589
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: brilliantly feathered, rainbow colored parrot. You get mad when people

590
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: mistake you for that serial slinging too. Can You are

591
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: a parrot girl, and you were on your perch overlooking

592
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: a grand living room with which it's overlooks the crashing

593
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: surf of the Pacific Ocean. It's just below you the house,

594
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: and on one side of the room is your owner,

595
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: Hollywood producer Julia Phillips. She doesn't particularly like you. You

596
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: were a gift from a Brazilian producer that she no

597
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: longer speaks to, but she hasn't gotten rid of you yet.

598
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: So you're still in the house, and on the other

599
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: side of the room there are some rock and roll

600
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: stars and they're lawyers. When Julia Phillips pauses speaking for

601
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: a moment, you repeat what Julia has just said, and

602
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: you say out loud to no one in particular, Ah,

603
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: hold out, Californius genius rock.

604
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: Hold og Californius genius rock.

605
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Now, then you just dig your beacon too. Your armpit

606
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: feathers as their meeting gets back underway and everyone just says,

607
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: it's charming. Now, Don Henley and Glenda Fry they are

608
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: still getting comfortable on the couch, so you look up

609
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: to see Julia Phillips drag a giant ashtray across the

610
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: glass top coffee table, and on the ashtray is an

611
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: enormous pile of cocaine. It looks like like it's an

612
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: homage to the end of Scarface when the Paccino dunks

613
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: his face in that mount of cocaine. But this is

614
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. That movie hasn't even come out yet,

615
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: Babe predate that. So anyway, being a parrot, you find

616
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: Julia's offer of cocaine in a business meeting. I'm a

617
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: bit tacky and definitely distasteful, and surprisingly so does Don Henley.

618
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: He says, it's a little early in the day for

619
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: cocaine for me.

620
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: He's like, this is the last worthless evening, Oliver.

621
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: In fact, both Eagles end up turning down the offered coachine. Yes,

622
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: but their lawyer, though, takes a toute and Julia Phillips

623
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: and her business partner and her lawyers and they all

624
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: join in for some rails as well. Now that she's

625
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: all coked up, Julia Phillips pops back up and starts

626
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: doing her movie pitch. She wants to turn their song

627
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: Hotel California into a blockbuster, a movie She's always wanted

628
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: to make a song where she where the focus is music,

629
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: a movie about music. One song is just so genius.

630
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: She does like a little more cocaine, and so did

631
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: the lawyers, the Eagles. They still abstained Julia's non plus

632
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: play any of this, you know, but you, Elizabeth, you

633
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: are getting bored with this meeting, so you repeat what

634
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: Julia just said earlier to Don Henley. Rock Hotel California's

635
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: Junius Rock, Oh doell Californius genius. Julia's shoots you a

636
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: dark look like would you shut up anyway, Glenn Fry.

637
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: He sits forward. He will now take Julia up on

638
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: the offer of some cocaine, Glenn Fry. He blows some

639
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: rails and Julia pops back up and gets into why

640
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: Hotel California would make a perfect movie. It's a true

641
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: cocaine pitch session, fast frenetick. It's mostly only makes sense

642
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: to Julia. Yeah, she pauses her pitch. She clears her nose,

643
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: and she looks right at Glenn Fry, who is busy

644
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: snorting rails, like someone is about to clear the cocaine

645
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 2: away from the table to make room for dessert. And

646
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: he's like, and she says, and I quote, Glenn, are

647
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: you okay? You look out? You're mad at the coke? Now, Elizabeth,

648
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: you decide to add your two cents to this meeting.

649
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: Mad at the coke, mad at the couch.

650
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: Fluck.

651
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: Now, the pitch meeting is pretty much going off the

652
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: rails at this point. All right, this pitch meeting from health.

653
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: It continues as the waves crash on the sand below.

654
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Even though you are a parrot, you can tell this

655
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: meeting is going nowhere. Yeah, so you choose violence. You

656
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: decide to repeat something Julia said much earlier. You're like,

657
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Don Henley has no star power. Don Henley has no

658
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: star power. So this surprises everyone. Don Henley has no

659
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: star power. Who would say that? Don Henley laughs, but

660
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: not really, it's a fake Hollywood laugh. As he fake laughs,

661
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: Don Henley stares at Julia Phillips. He knows that she

662
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: must have said those words. The parrot didn't just come

663
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: up with them on their own. Then she asked, anyone

664
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: more cocaine, even as the though you're just a parrot

665
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: and you're not into the cocaine, you know, this meeting

666
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: is over. Yeah, oh, Elizabeth, that was the reason why

667
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: we don't have Hotel California the movie. True story. So

668
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: those are two matched versions together. Let's just say Jack

669
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: Phillips tells one version. She says, everyone does the blow.

670
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: Don Henley's like, we didn't do the blow.

671
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm glad there's no movie.

672
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was. I was surprised that it

673
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: was a real, real idea and it went far, but

674
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: further than you would think anyway. So people often talk

675
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: about though the cinematic aspects of Hotel California. You know,

676
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: I say tech with that let's talk about the music

677
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: the lyrics. Yes, but do you have a favorite line

678
00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: from the song?

679
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 3: No?

680
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: No, I was listening to that, right, and I think

681
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: my favorite line is they stab it with their steely knives,

682
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: but they just can't kill the beast. Is the reason

683
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: why I like that. It's a diss of Steely Dan.

684
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know this. Oh, so, I guess Steely Dan

685
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: had name checked the Eagles in a song prior. So

686
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: in response, the Eagles were like, oh, yeah, your blades

687
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: are dull.

688
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: I can't stand Steely Dan. YEA makes sense. Then it

689
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: all comes together.

690
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: We've talked about the peak California aspects, right, and Don

691
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: Henley would completely agree with you. He has had exactly

692
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: that the song is really about, quote, the excesses of

693
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: American culture and certain girls we knew, but it was

694
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: also about the uneasy balance between art and commerce, right.

695
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: And Glenn Frye said, well, you know what, man, no

696
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: one in the band has any idea what the song

697
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: was really about, So that's Ben Fry's. Joe Walsh went

698
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: further and he said the band didn't have any idea

699
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: what anything was about or how anything worked, and if

700
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: they were lucky that they made it to any of

701
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: their gigs. That sense a quote. Everyone wants to know

702
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: of the song, his demonic references, and if there's a

703
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: real Hotel California. So to answer that last question, I

704
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: can say, Elizabeth, did you know the Eagles once sued

705
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: the Hotel California. Where is it?

706
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: Is there one in like Toto Santos?

707
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: Yes, good wow, look at you are an Eagles super fan.

708
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. In twenty seventeen, the Eagles took Hotel California

709
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: to court. There is no real You were right, there

710
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: is no real Hotel California. There were probably a few

711
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: spots named Hotel California. Here in Oakland we have the

712
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: California Hotel, so that word combination, it's probably been used

713
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: before the Eagles, But the real Hotel California doesn't exist.

714
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent ring right. But there was one

715
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: that claimed it was the real Hotel California, and the

716
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: Washington Posts put this way. Quote in the popular song

717
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Hotel California, the Eagles, Don Henley saying you can check

718
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: out any time you like, but you can never leave.

719
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: That isn't the case at Hotel California. Toto Santos, an

720
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: actual eleven room hotel in Toto Santos, Mexico, from which

721
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: guests can both check out and leave.

722
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: So it hops.

723
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, the Eagles, they took this hotel in Mexico

724
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: to court in America for copyright infringement. Back to the

725
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: post quote. The lawsuit claimed the hotel sells merchandise including

726
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: T shirts, posters, sweatshirts, bathrobes, keychains, playing cards, mugs, guitar picks,

727
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: and refrigerator magnets featuring the band's name and the cover

728
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: art from the nineteen seventy six album Oh Wow. As

729
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: soon as we're done with this, I'm going online and

730
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: I'm buying you a whole pack of Hotel California bathrobes.

731
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: This is Jeegan lounge around your crime dojo?

732
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah?

733
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: So, in the lawsuit the Eagles versus the Hotel California,

734
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: there was one other point of contention that I thought

735
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: was just awesome, hilarious, I don't know whatever. The band

736
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: contended in this lawsuit that the hotel quote actively encourages

737
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: consumers to believe that the hotel in Toto Santos is

738
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: associated with the Eagles to further their sale of all

739
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: the merchandise, right, but they say, quote that the hotel

740
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: plays Hotel California throughout its halls and his lobbies just

741
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: all the time.

742
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: Sounds like a nightmare. I love this song, but it

743
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: sounds like a nightmare.

744
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Oh dude, you I mentione here are two hundred and

745
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: thirty seven times that day.

746
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: No, because I would, I would check out any time

747
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: I heard that.

748
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: If you like the other bad can you hear a

749
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: mall and you have Christmas music for Christmas never ends?

750
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I had a job once where we

751
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: had like a squawk box and you could have the

752
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: like the radio on it, okay, and people would always

753
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: want to put on the Christmas music when it became

754
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: Christmas season. And I swear to God, if I heard

755
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Santa Baby one more time, I was gonna put my

756
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: fists through everyone's monitors all day long, over and over.

757
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: Get a better playlist.

758
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: So you understand their pain.

759
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: Totally understand.

760
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: Also, I find interesting that your favorite song, as we've

761
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: basically now discovered, is a soft form of torture for

762
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: some people out there. They immediately think of like cleaning toilets,

763
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: making beds, as Don Henley tells them, they can never leave,

764
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: you know, that's just their life makes sense. Anyway, back

765
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: to the faux Hotel California lawsuit. So the band they

766
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: assume this Mexican hotel for calling themselves Hotel California and

767
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: subjecting their employees to the song two and thirty seven

768
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: times a day. But to be fair to the hotel,

769
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: many guests had drawn this comparison and inclusion on their own.

770
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: They had said, like, you know, look, there's certain things

771
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: compare well to the song. So, for one, there was

772
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: the Mission Church of Pilar. The Mission is a located

773
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: adjacent to the faux Hotel California, and as you know,

774
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: there's the Mission bells sited in the song. All right, yeah.

775
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: So then then there was the fact that you have

776
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: to drive a quote on a dark desert highway, because

777
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: no matter if you come from the south or the east,

778
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: you're coming across a dark desert highway. That's like two

779
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: things right there. And we were practiced coming up with,

780
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, Christian miracles over here. It turns out that

781
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: despite these normal coincidences that other people have noticed the

782
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: Mission bells, desert highway, this does not a Hotel California

783
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: make Yeah, in the eyes of the court. But in

784
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: a fun twist though, and it was the original fake

785
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Hotel California that first wanted to sue the Eagles and

786
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: why for using the hotel's likeness. Yeah, their album art

787
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who that was after this quick break.

788
00:35:49,680 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: Oh I'm excited alright, Elizabeth zaren Burnett.

789
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: You ready to hear more about your favorite song? Of course? Okay, Well,

790
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: since there was no real Hotel California, right, they had

791
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: to still to embody this for the cover because they

792
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: named the album, as you know, Hotel California, right, So

793
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: they told this photographer, look, man, you gotta find a

794
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: hotel that is Hotel California.

795
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: Is.

796
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: The guy's like, okay, okay, I'll do that, and Don

797
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Henley took him aside, and he's like, I wanted to

798
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: have a sinister edge. That's a quote sinister edge. So

799
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: the photographer, this dude, John Cosh, he settled on the

800
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Hotel and he loved his iconic architectural shapes

801
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: like the Moorish like you design. But to get his

802
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: now iconic shot, he had to nearly risk his life.

803
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: The dude was I'll just let him tell it quote

804
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: to get the perfect picture, David and I had perched

805
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: nervously atop a sixty foot cherry picker, dangling over Sunset

806
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: Boulevard in rush hour, shooting blindly into the sun.

807
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

808
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to shoot blinding and

809
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: then to be sixty feet over La traffic.

810
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: Wooh.

811
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: Anyway, I love the commitment to their art.

812
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

813
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: So the album, it's on the cover, shotter, it comes out,

814
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: everybody loves it. Hotel California becomes this instant classic. The

815
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: album cover is stant classic. The photo makes the Beverly

816
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: Hills Hotel iconic. All of a sudden, they got all

817
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: these hippies in there, and they hate it. Just sucks.

818
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: All these hippies are flocking here. They're scaring away the

819
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: old people. So they don't want this cocaine hippie band

820
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: like profiting off their image. So they go to like

821
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: sue the Eagles, and they first they go out to

822
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: the photographer and so Cosh says quote, as the sales

823
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: of Hotel California went through the roof, lawyers for the

824
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Hotel threatened me with a cease and desist action. Right,

825
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: So bad news, right, away. He's like, wait a minute,

826
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Wait a minute. The photographer he's got like mafia, like

827
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, conciliary brain. He's like, think about this. So

828
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: he goes and he talks to the hotel and he's like,

829
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: check your balance sheet and notice the uptick in bookings.

830
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: They're like yeah, they're like yeah, money spends right. Yeah.

831
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: So it's not old people at young people they live longer.

832
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: So hey, look, this is all good for you. The

833
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: numbers had not only that triple, the bookings had tripled.

834
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: Wow.

835
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the legal threats they dissolved away,

836
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: like you know, like somebody dropping.

837
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Why would they go after the photographer when they go

838
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: because he has the right, so they I would think

839
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: it would be licensed photo. Well I don't know.

840
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: I don't know that's what they ensued. So okay, so

841
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 2: where was I Oh right, cocaine. So I got another

842
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: fun fact for you about the Eagles that I was

843
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: looking up. Well, they were recording this album Black Sabbath.

844
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: Of all people came to them were like, okay, mate,

845
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: it's like, oh wow, Black Sabbath. So, uh did you

846
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: know when they were recording Hotel California they did not

847
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: record it in California.

848
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

849
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: They recorded all their albums up to that point at

850
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: the record plants in La Yeah. So then all of

851
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: a sudden they went out and they decided they would, uh,

852
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: you know, record their next album in Miami.

853
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you need to take a step back to

854
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: have perspective on something.

855
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: I wish that was the answer. Do you know why

856
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: they did it?

857
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: Cocaine?

858
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: No, this is actually cocaine. This is surprisingly. Their producer

859
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: was scared of earthquakes. Wow. He's like, you want me

860
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: to record it, I'm not coming to La Man because

861
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: he moved through an earthquake. He fell out of bed.

862
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, that's it, I'm out of here.

863
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: He made him record in Miami. So at the same time,

864
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath was in the adjacent studio in Miami, and

865
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: they were like warming up for their album because they're

866
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: just doing like practice sessions while the Eagles are recording

867
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: their album. Right. So the Eagles later had to re

868
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: record one of the tracks because Black Sabbath was so

869
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: loud you could hear it on the Masters. On the

870
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: song the Last Ballad, you could hear Black Sabbath on

871
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: like wow. So they had to go back and redo it. Yeah,

872
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: they got a Sabbath bleeding through on the Masters. Anyway,

873
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: the Eagles when they leave the studio, Sabbath comes in

874
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: there and they start working right, and the Eagles they

875
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: clear out Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iomi I'll come in and

876
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: and the boys move in and start recording. But they

877
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: can't Why can't they cocaine? As Tony Iomi recalled quote,

878
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: before we could start recording, we had to scrape all

879
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: the cocaine out of the mixing board. And then it's

880
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: about a pound of cocaine in the board.

881
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: Oh god, an.

882
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: So it's just probably no one that the Eagles at

883
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: this point were so blown out they couldn't even remember

884
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: how to record their famous song, their most famous song.

885
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: They didn't know it so, like I mean to be fair,

886
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: it was a brand new song, right. So they were

887
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: sitting there in the studio Miami, Don Felder and Joe Walsh,

888
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: They're playing Hotel California and Don Henley's like, no, no, no, no,

889
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: what is that that's not the song?

890
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: Man?

891
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: Like, no, play the song, play the song that you

892
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: played it before. And Don Felder's like, yeah, man, I

893
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: gotta admit something. I don't remember how it goes. It's

894
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: been like a years since I wrote that. Man, I

895
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: don't know the song, and he's like, Joe play it.

896
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I've been playing what he's been playing.

897
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: So what did the Eagles do? How can they save

898
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: their most famous song? According to Don Felder quote, we

899
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: had to call my housekeeper in Malibu, who took the cassette,

900
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: put it in a blaster and played it with the

901
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: phone held up to the blaster. He was close enough

902
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: to the demo to make Don happy. So that's how

903
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: they did it. A boombox is how you have your

904
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: favorite song? And yeah, the housekeepers in Malibu anyway? Is

905
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: the question? Yes, did you know that someone once stole

906
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: the original lyrics to Hotel California? No?

907
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: I didn't.

908
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, not just that, but a bunch of other hit

909
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: songs by the Eagles, and the theft only came to

910
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: light when that the same person tried to auction them

911
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: off for millions of dollars. WHOA yeah, yeah. Do you

912
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: know what Manhattan da album Bragg Junior is doing right

913
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: now when he's not trying to prosecute former President Donald Trump?

914
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

915
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: Fortifying the security in his home.

916
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: No, well probably that. Yes, he's out there trying to

917
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: get justice for the Eagles.

918
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, please.

919
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: On July twelfth, last year, twenty twenty two, the Manhattan

920
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: DA he announced he was bringing charges against three men

921
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: for trying to run an Eagles base con job and

922
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: the Eagles based Yeah there's Glenn Laurowitz sixty six, Edward

923
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Kazinski fifty nine, and Craig INCRTI fifty eight were charged

924
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: with crimes related to quote, a conspiracy involving the possession

925
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: of approximately one hundred pages of Don Henley's handwritten notes

926
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: and lyrics for the Eagles album Hotel California, including lyrics

927
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: to the songs Hotel California, Life in the Fast Lane

928
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: and New Kid in Town. Wow. Now, who would pass?

929
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: So we think they could pull a fast one on

930
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: the cocaine cowboys of Southern California. Come on, But apparently

931
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people did. And these guys got in line.

932
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, it's our turn, so and they

933
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: worked hard at Allegedly. In a two thousand and seven

934
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: New York Times profile, co defendant Horowitz called himself quote

935
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: a terrific combination of a scholar and a grifter these Oh,

936
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: that's amazing Kozinski. He was also no stranger to controversy either.

937
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, there was an arbitrator who decided against

938
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: him after he was accused of cutting out a client

939
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: from a Michael Jackson memorabilia sale. He had to pay

940
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars in that one. Right now, how

941
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: about the time when he went to court against Madonna

942
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: she wanted to block his sale of a letter she

943
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: had written to Tupac Oh.

944
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I remember, yeah, right, that's that guy.

945
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: So I don't remember that this group of gentlemen thieves'

946
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: latest target allegedly allegedly now, according to Manhattan DA's office quote,

947
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: despite knowing that the materials were stolen, the defendant's attempted

948
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: to sell the manuscripts, manufactured false probonance, and lied to

949
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: auction houses, potential buyers, and law enforcement about the origin

950
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: of the material. The manuscripts are collectively valued at over

951
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: one million dollars, and that number is actually kind of

952
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: low because I went and I looked. There's been a

953
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: sudden jump in the prices for rock and celebrity memorabilia.

954
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Really the twenty twenty Paul McCartney's lyric sheet for Hey

955
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: Jude sold for nine hundred and ten thousand dollars just

956
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: one lyric sheet. We got one hundred pages or whatever here.

957
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: So also there was a how about an instrument? You

958
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: got an instrument for sale? Kurt Cobain's guitar from MTV unplugged.

959
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: You know what, you went for? Six million dollars.

960
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: Six million dollars. Yeah, I got it.

961
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: You can thank Hodge fund investors for those prices. They

962
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: think it's a good now safe investment, so they're buying

963
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: it up in what they did to art. Yeah, So

964
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: this brings us to a back to Hotel California and

965
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: the Eagles other handwritten lyric sheets. So the story goes

966
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: in the late seventies, the Eagles decided someone needed to

967
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: tell their story, right. Their Eagles have gotten so big,

968
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: They're like, we should have a book about us, right,

969
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: So the band hired a biographer, and this is where

970
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: the accounts start to differ. They have biographer allegedly was

971
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: given the handwritten lyrics along with other Eagles memorabilia, but

972
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: then the book was never written, so he hung on

973
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: to the lyric sheets until apparently retirement age and then

974
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: suddenly he was like, allegedly sold them to a rare

975
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: books dealer in two thousand and five inches. That rare

976
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: book dealer was the defendant Horowitz, the scholar grifter. Okay,

977
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: So some time passes and the Horowitz he sells the

978
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: Eagles lyrics to two other men, his co defendants, Kazinski

979
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: and NCRTY. Now inter Detective Don Henley. Now Don was

980
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: on the case, right, no stranger to a court room.

981
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: Kenley he got win that NCRTI and Kazinski were in

982
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: the market to sell his handwritten lyrics and his basically

983
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: his diary, and he wanted to take them to court.

984
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: So he contacts the LAPD. It takes them twice. He

985
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: contacts them in April twenty twelve and then again in

986
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. They're like, okay, Don, fine, we'll do something

987
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: about it. So the reports filed, A case is made.

988
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: The defendants were approached by the police and interrogated right

989
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: and the defendants were told that Henley demanded his property back.

990
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: At this point things start to get sinister because, according

991
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: to the Manhattan DA's Office quote, rather than making any

992
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: effort to ensure they actually had rightful ownership, The defendants

993
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: responded by engaging in a year's long campaign to prevent

994
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: Henley from recovering the manuscripts. How did they do that, Elizabeth?

995
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't great question. For five years, Kauzinsky and Ncrty,

996
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: they tried to pull a conjob on Don Henley. Not

997
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: like the like the dog, Don Henley. He's gonna stay

998
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: on that bone, trust me. But allegedly these guys tried

999
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: to pull this con job. Manhattan DA said quote that

1000
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: the two men attempted to use a false statement of

1001
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: probenans to coerce Don Henley into buying back his stolen property.

1002
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Now they tried to con him with his own stuff.

1003
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: That's not all the same two casts. Allegedly, we're also

1004
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: trying to launder the lyric sheets through either one of

1005
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: the prestigious auction houses, so Christie's or Southeby's. They specifically

1006
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: requested that Southerby's lie to any potential buyers about Henley's

1007
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: legal claims. Just don't mention them if he says it,

1008
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: say they had been cleared up. Kind of that kind

1009
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: of time. So around this time, NYPD enters the dispute.

1010
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: Right So in December twenty sixteen, the Manhattan DA's office

1011
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: quote executed a series of search warrants and retrieved Don

1012
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: Henley's stolen manuscripts from Southeby's and from Kazinski's New Jersey Residents,

1013
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: including eighty four pages to songs from the album Hotel California. So,

1014
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: now the NYPD and specifically the Manhattan DA, they have

1015
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: all hundred pages. Right, But now that heat is on

1016
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: co defendant Horowitz, he he steps back in the picture. Right,

1017
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: So the rare books dealer and scholar grifter. He has

1018
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: a plan to avoid any criminal prosecution, and it starts

1019
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: with him and it goes down river from there. Right,

1020
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: he creates a fake provenance for how he came to

1021
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: own the lyrics. So Glenn Frye unexpectedly died in January

1022
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Horrowitz, He's like, that's an opportunity for me.

1023
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: So he claims that the lyrics sheets were given to

1024
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: him by Glenn fry And since Glenn Frye is now dead,

1025
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: who can argue. So Horrowitz though he messed up because

1026
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: he went and he sent emails about their plan, kidding

1027
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: people never put a crime in writing. Yes, I always

1028
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: feel like Stringer Bell when I'm saying this figure from

1029
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: the wire. But like the rare book dealers, he did

1030
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: exactly that. The theme took notes on his own criminal conspiracy.

1031
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: Insane anyway. In an email, he wrote, quote Glenn fry

1032
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 2: Alas is dead and identifying him as the source would

1033
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: make this go away once and for all. Now you

1034
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: may be wondering why anyone would believe the stories of

1035
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: these amateur Cowen Brothers criminals. But thence he already he's

1036
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: the curator from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

1037
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: What Yes, he had gravitas reputation, dude. Ever since the

1038
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: indictment dropped, he's now been on leave from the Rock

1039
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame, but he his illustrious careers

1040
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: in Jeopardy. The guy he curated the Beatles Interactive exhibit

1041
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: for the He's been handling a lot of people's papers

1042
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: and so he needs this to go his way, right,

1043
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: He has a lot to lose. And meanwhile, the legal

1044
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: team for his co defend at Kozinski. He claims this

1045
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: is all big misunderstanding. It's nonsense, flapdoodle, right, and back

1046
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine, the Eagles apparently signed the contract

1047
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: giving over materials to the biographer. Right, everybody agrees on

1048
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: this somewhat, he argues. Now, years later, once the cocaine

1049
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: finally drained from their brains, the man Mads want to

1050
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: recover the lyrics that they gave away. That's not their

1051
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: legal right now, that's not clearly explicitly stated in the contract.

1052
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: It's always under the idea that it's for the books.

1053
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: There's no book, then you have no reason anyway, the

1054
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: rare book dealer, scholar, grifter. He has even more expensive lawyers.

1055
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: So Horrowitz's legal team they fired back at the Manhattan

1056
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: DA's office. They said that the charges and the legal

1057
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: arguments were fallacious, unfounded. Right, that's a quote the fallacious.

1058
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: He said, it's clever what they did, but they don't

1059
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: have any evidence. Now when I looked at it, I

1060
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: think they do have evidence, but whatever, it doesn't matter.

1061
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: I found that the case went to court in January,

1062
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: but there was no more local news. So I was like,

1063
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: wait of January of this year, right, so the reports

1064
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: just there, they went before the judge.

1065
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: That was it.

1066
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: And so I reached out to the Manhattan's DA's office

1067
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: for comment. Right, and Karen Wynn, press officer for Manhattan

1068
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: DA's office. She was kind enough to write me back

1069
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: and she said, quote his Aaron, thanks for reaching out.

1070
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: The case has not yet gone to trial and still

1071
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: in the pre trial stage. For background, decisions were issued

1072
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: on January thirteenth, twenty twenty three, regarding the first set

1073
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: of pre trial motions. See attached for those decisions from

1074
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: the court. The case was on last week April twelfth

1075
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: for an update on discovery. The next court date is

1076
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: May twelfth, twenty twenty three. Best k. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: It's still the story is far from over. If Horowitz

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Speaker 2: the scholar grifter is convicted, he was looking at five

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Speaker 2: to fifteen years. Kazinski and NCRTI they will be facing

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Speaker 2: one to three years in prison maximum of eight to

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Speaker 2: twenty five whoa got some serious prison time?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Now, oh, the lyrics would be returned to Don Henley

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Speaker 2: because Glen Fry is deceased. So you know, watch this

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Speaker 2: space and keep your fingers cross for Glenn and for

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Speaker 2: Don who knows anyway, don't be surprised with the Eagles

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Speaker 2: are also once again involved in something sinister or you know,

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Speaker 2: some kind of lawsuit. It's kind of their thing. Hey, anyway,

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Speaker 2: what's your ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm going to go with you

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Speaker 3: on don't put your plans in writing if they're.

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Speaker 2: If you're planning on doing something that's a lie, do

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Speaker 2: not write it down.

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Speaker 3: And I'm still I'm kind of stunned at the market

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Speaker 3: for rock memorabilia. Yeah, nuts, Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's funny is that Kirk Cobang complained about

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Speaker 2: the prices that people charge four guitars of famous people

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Speaker 2: because he asked David Geffam to loan of the money

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Speaker 2: so he could buy Lead Belly's guitar. Right, and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I want led Belly's guitar, but David Geffam, when you

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Speaker 2: loan me the money and now here's his guitar from

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Speaker 2: that performance, is now worth the six million dollars. Wow,

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Speaker 2: cycles crazy. Anyway, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Sarin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's for you. Your favorite song it is. You

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Speaker 2: can find us online if you like a ridiculous crime

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Speaker 2: of a Twitter and Instagram for the updates on upcoming

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Speaker 2: episode drops. And hey, look at that. Now we have

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Speaker 2: a website, ridiculous crime dot com. That's for the jam

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Speaker 2: and for the jelly. There's stuff to find on their

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Speaker 2: fun stuff, clothing stuff, rude dude stuff stuff for you.

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Speaker 2: So lastly, you can also email us if you want

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Speaker 2: at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 2: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett's producer, edited by

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Speaker 2: Don Henley, imitator and historic seventies re enactor Dave Coust.

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Speaker 2: Research is by Marissa Please Don't call Me, Jackson Brown

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Speaker 2: and Andrea Man. I didn't steal your song, Sharpened Tear.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Laurel Canyon. Layabouts Thomas Lee

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Speaker 2: and Travis Dutton. Executive producers are Events You Know the

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Speaker 2: Eagles are actually a py op Bowlin' and Noel Well,

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Speaker 2: did you know my street name is? Sorry? Missus?

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Speaker 4: Jackson Brown, Ridous Cry, Say it one more time Riudiquious Crime.

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