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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are back with David J.

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Speaker 3: Brown, seasoned explorer of consciousness and a writer Sarah Finn Huntley,

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Speaker 3: visionary artist and writer in the book is The Illustrated

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Speaker 3: Guide to DMT Entities. David, what can you tell me

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Speaker 3: about extended state DMT research where allowing DMT users I guess,

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Speaker 3: to stay in this realm or this hyperspace longer. What's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's some of the most exciting scientific

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Speaker 2: research going on right now. I think some of the

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Speaker 2: most exciting scientific research that's ever gone on. You know,

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier in our conversation, the DMT experience is,

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Speaker 2: you know, generally lasts around ten or fifteen minutes when

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Speaker 2: it's done its pure form. It's very very quickly metabolized

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Speaker 2: by the body, and so the actual psychedelic experience and

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Speaker 2: the journey into hyperspace is very quick. With what they're

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Speaker 2: doing at the Imperial College in London, at the Medicinal

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Speaker 2: Mind Mindfulness Institute in Colorado, and around three other places

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Speaker 2: around the globe, one in Switzerland, one in Holland is

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Speaker 2: is they're putting people out into extended state d n

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Speaker 2: T experiences and uh, and this is this has done

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Speaker 2: the way you you know, the way that you receive

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Speaker 2: an anesthetic, you know, during surgery, where we're continuously being

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Speaker 2: infused with a you know, with a steady dosage of

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Speaker 2: d n T, so that so that you're constantly can

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Speaker 2: maintain that state and and the body doesn't develop any

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Speaker 2: kind of tolerance to d n T, so it so

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Speaker 2: it's a it's actually a fairly fairly simple process to

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Speaker 2: be able to do this, and uh, you know, and

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Speaker 2: and what we're hoping is that as the people and

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Speaker 2: have a you know, extended experiences with these entities and

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Speaker 2: bring back more more more information than you can with

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Speaker 2: a ten or fifteen minute experience. So far, the first

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Speaker 2: study that's been done at Imperial College in London has

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Speaker 2: shown that the d MT is is well tolerated by

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Speaker 2: the body, that it's non toxic, and that there aren't

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Speaker 2: any complications beyond the beyond the you know, the the

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Speaker 2: anxiety that some people feel from from from going into

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Speaker 2: the state, which is, like I said, requires a fair

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Speaker 2: amount of courage. It's not an easy experience to go into.

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Speaker 2: But some people are better suited to than others. I

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Speaker 2: interviewed a couple of a couple of the subjects, Carl

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Speaker 2: Hayden Smith and Alexander Biner, about their experiences. They both

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Speaker 2: went out for benning an hour into the experience, and

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Speaker 2: they have incredible stories to share about about their adventures,

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Speaker 2: adventures and hyperspace and what they're doing now. The present

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Speaker 2: study that they're doing is there. They're sending people out

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Speaker 2: in teams. They're sending people out together to see if

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Speaker 2: they can they can link up in hyper space and

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Speaker 2: explore these other worlds simultaneously or as part of as

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Speaker 2: part of a part of a cooperative team team effort.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait a second, So you're that would be fascinating

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Speaker 3: if you had two individuals, maybe even in different locations. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and they're going on one of these extended state d

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Speaker 3: MT trips. You're saying that once they're in this realm,

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Speaker 3: let's call it, that they might have shared experiences.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. People report that people,

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Speaker 2: many people who have DMC experiences together say that that

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Speaker 2: that's what happens. So this is going to be I

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Speaker 2: think the research has already started. I haven't haven't get

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Speaker 2: any reason yet, but I think they've already started doing

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Speaker 2: this at Imperial College in London, and this, of course,

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Speaker 2: you know what would give greater credence to the idea

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Speaker 2: can link up together and explore these realms as a team.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, is that an assignment you would you'd sign up for?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: quite a bit about it. Oh really, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Aside from the entities, I mean is what does this

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Speaker 3: Or are these entities just sort of floating around you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: You can definitely navigate. You're there, you know, just like

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Speaker 2: you're in a lucid dream, just like you're you know,

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Speaker 2: you're in the radio studio right now. You're fully there

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Speaker 2: and you can move around. Many people people report different

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Speaker 2: But uh, but there is this this really consistent, consistent

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Speaker 3: So that brings us back to perhaps again the alien

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Speaker 3: abduction phenomenon and some crossover there. But Sarah, your experience

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my latest DMT experience, which was a

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Speaker 4: these beings approached me and shared with me this kind

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Speaker 4: like looking inside a large gourd, and they kind of

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Speaker 3: Did it alleviate? Did it alleviate your depression?

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Speaker 4: You know? When I was coming back, I felt so elated.

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Speaker 4: There's a really unique, beautiful yufort quality to a lot

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Speaker 4: and so it's so temporarily like it's definitely that awe

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Speaker 4: puts me in a nice place mentally, although it kind

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Speaker 4: of messed with my dream escape after that, and that

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Speaker 4: was one of the things that led to some of

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Speaker 5: The past couple of years, David, do people report seeing

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Speaker 5: dead relatives or loved ones during a d m T experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's fairly common, actually, and that's that's

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Speaker 2: all of the d N T entities really are are

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Speaker 2: and and and maybe that's certainly what a lot of

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Speaker 3: Some d M subjects have claimed entities provided protocols for

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Speaker 3: future content. I mean, this is what do you think

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Speaker 3: don't know, unsettling.

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Speaker 2: Well, And in the medicinal mindfulness study that they're doing

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Speaker 2: They gave them instructions for how to produce better d

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Speaker 2: something out of out of Carl Sagan's, you know, the

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Speaker 2: science fiction novel Contact. You know that they're the entities

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Speaker 2: themselves are providing technology. I I think this is uh,

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Speaker 2: this is an exciting development.

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Speaker 2: to more extended conversations with the entities, perhaps they could

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Speaker 2: share with us, you know, I mean, you know, new

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Speaker 2: or you know, you know science fiction technologies like you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're you know, we could be conversing with

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Speaker 2: with entities that are hundreds, if not thousands of years

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Speaker 2: more evolved than us, and what kind of what kind

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Speaker 2: of technology could they share with us. It's just uh,

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Speaker 2: it's just uh, it's just mind bodling boggling. And I

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Speaker 2: think gives us tremendous cause for hope.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Sarah, do you have Do you develop a personal

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Speaker 3: relationship with these entities? Do they know you by name?

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Speaker 3: Do they recognize you? Oh, you know you've been here before?

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Speaker 3: Do they know your your history.

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Speaker 4: I've definitely had encounters with entities that remember me, and

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Speaker 4: then also into tees that sort of knew of me

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Speaker 4: via other entities that they were in communication with. Like

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Speaker 4: it's sort of a clown or a gesture entity being like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is one I've come in contact with before. Does

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Speaker 4: tend to be slightly vague. Sometimes there will be hints

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Speaker 4: of specificity. Sometimes there will be sort of like gestures

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Speaker 4: of and I'm going to just say that word again

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Speaker 4: just in case people thought I said gestures. I was

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Speaker 4: saying gesture, you know, like an act or you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So these these entities at times have kind of done

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Speaker 4: things out of a sense of rapport, which I've found

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Speaker 4: sort of like intriguing but charming. I had a what

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Speaker 4: we would call formauasca, which is essentially when you smoke

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Speaker 4: d MT, but you have a monolimoxine inhibitor, so it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like a sort of a reverse engineered ayahuasca,

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Speaker 4: But I had an experience one time where I was

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Speaker 4: just having an extremely intense visual experience. It was kind

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Speaker 4: same chemical combination the MOI and the d MT. But

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Speaker 4: in that moment of being overwhelmed and having this crazy

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Speaker 4: a large red elf kind of stood between me and

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Speaker 4: that intensity, as if to block my sight from it,

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Speaker 4: not in a way to deny me or censor my vision,

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Speaker 4: but to kind of just do me a favor, you know,

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Speaker 4: blocking me from the sun, be like, hey, here's some

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Speaker 4: shade that seems like it's kind of intense for you

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Speaker 4: right now. And I definitely think that there's there's a

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Speaker 4: sense of rapport. I've experienced entities that seem to recognize

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Speaker 4: that we're having a serial encounter, which is cool.

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