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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks presented by

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Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ. Bucky Back with you and Buck. We've had

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Speaker 1: some great guests on this show, but I might be

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Speaker 1: more excited about today's guest than anybody else we've ever had. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really exciting. I mean, like this is funny, right because

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Speaker 1: you end up dating yourself. It's almost like a childhood

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Speaker 1: dream to have a conversation with the guy that you

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Speaker 1: so having Hall of Famer Joe Montana, four time Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Champion, three time Super Bowl MVP on the program

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Speaker 1: is a little surreal, and so it's gonna be fantastic

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Speaker 1: to have a conversation with him about everything um related

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Speaker 1: to winning and creating how standards. Yeah, you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: forward to that conversation with a lot of fun. Also

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Speaker 1: going to UH air a little snippet of a conversation

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Speaker 1: we had with Dave Roberts, who's now World Series UH

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Speaker 1: is a manager. The Dodgers won the World Series over

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Rays. We got a chance U to visit

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Speaker 1: with him before the season kicked off, and some portions

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Speaker 1: of that interview I think we're really relevant after seeing

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Speaker 1: how the Dodgers went on to win the World Seriously,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna air a little snippet of that interview. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to those buck when we uh, we

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Speaker 1: look at what's going on around the NFL. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about potentially seeing a busy trade season. We're starting to

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Speaker 1: see a couple of these things trickle out now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are starting to see a couple of these things

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Speaker 1: make it where guys have to sit out for a while.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to get an immediate return on

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Speaker 1: of has to happen Thursday or Friday, um to be

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Speaker 1: And so look, I mean, it's it's it's a unique

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Speaker 1: a lot of movement at the deadline. Unlike previous years

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Speaker 1: You know again, it gets a little bit complicated, um

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Speaker 1: happens there. I want to get your thought on one

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Speaker 1: other topic here and see if I can find it.

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Speaker 1: I've got it written down somewhere. So when we look

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Speaker 1: at what the new England Patriots are doing along the

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Speaker 1: offensive line right now, buck, I found it fascinating. This

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Speaker 1: been a long time coming. When you look at the

430
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot they have in common with the values

431
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: that they share, the history that they have behind them, Um,

432
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: the things that they're doing in the days these days,

433
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, to try to make the world a better place. Um.

434
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: And the partnership with the NFL, I mean with Notre Dame,

435
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: alumna Um and Guinness is you know, a seven year

436
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: process coming out. And I kind of fit in the

437
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: middle there because I actually fell in love with Guinness

438
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: while I was in Dublin. We were actually over there

439
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: with some horse trainers looking for horses, jumping horses are

440
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 1: girls were jumping and we're looking to get away from

441
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: the big expensive market over here. One of the trainers

442
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: took me to get a plant after guinness, and first

443
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: off I said, Charlie, where's the beer. You didn't come

444
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: back with it. He goes, oh, no, you had to wait.

445
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: You have to wait for it because it takes some

446
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: time to pour perfectly. And after from that point on,

447
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, I always you always look at it and

448
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: you see it. It looks really dark and heavy, and

449
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's like light and creamy and and

450
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm totally taken off, taken back by it. And from

451
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: that point on, every day we were there, Charlie, I

452
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: think it's time for a point. Let's go in the

453
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: mix there. And you know, we got commercials coming out,

454
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: and the first one's gonna hit here on the Notre

455
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: Dame Clemson game called wait for It, and it's about

456
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: the anticipation of the beer and then tispe pation of

457
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: some great plays that have happened. Uh they're Notre Dame.

458
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: And so it's fun. It's been been a it's been

459
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: a fun thing to be associated with and to two

460
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: great places. You'll be able to see that commercial. November seven,

461
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: Clemson Notre Dame gonna be one of the biggest games

462
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: of college football season. Joe, it's it's been an honor

463
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: and pleasure has been some time with you. Thank you

464
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: so much, my pleasure. Thank you guys for having us. Well, Buck,

465
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: I thought that was, man, was what a fun conversation

466
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: that every now and then kind of that little kid

467
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: inside of you, uh gets excited. I mean you get

468
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: kind of numb when you're in the jobs we're in.

469
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: We're very blessed, very fortunate. You get to talk to

470
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot of cool people, but uh, it's always a

471
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: little different when you talk to somebody like Joe Montana.

472
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's very different. And I never had the opportunity,

473
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: obviously to play with him, but I stepped into a

474
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of places that were very influenced by people who

475
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: were connected to him. So playing in Green Bay, Mike

476
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Holmgren was the quarterback coach and offense coordinator for the

477
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Is. He comes over to Green

478
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: Bay takes a lot of the things that he learned

479
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: not only from the forty nine is, but in his

480
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: interactions with Joe Montana and he impresses them upon Brett

481
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: Farve and the other quarterbacks and also is an establishing

482
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: the culture. And one thing that that stood out to

483
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: me that Joe talked about it you talked about the

484
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: ball not hitting the ground, UM, and I just remember

485
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: being in practice in Green Bay and that was the

486
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: expectation that Um, you completed every pass on air seven

487
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: on seven end team, the ball shouldn't hit the ground,

488
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: and that was the standard, and you just kind of

489
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: went about your business knowing that that is what to

490
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: the point where if the ball did hit the ground,

491
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: it seemed like everyone would look around like, Hey, what's

492
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: going on, Like what's what's that about? And so those

493
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: high standards that Joe was talking about, it now makes

494
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: sense to me, like why Coach Hong was such a

495
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: stickler for detail, because he was a stickler for detail.

496
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that was influence and

497
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: impacted by this time with the forty nine, as would

498
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: Bill wash but also watching Joe Montana work each and

499
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, it was it was really interesting. Um.

500
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: In that conversation we talked about poise, because I've always

501
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: used that word. I want to see how he defined it.

502
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: I've never heard a better, more clear definition of poise

503
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: than what he gave, which was the combination of your

504
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: preparation and your concentration. So your preparation to get you

505
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: ready for the moment, your concentration to be able to

506
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: stay in the moment. What a great image of that.

507
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, man, you know what, there's a reason

508
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: why you know, you've got a nickname Joe Cool and

509
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: you're so calm. It's not because you're not You're not

510
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: calm in the face of pressure because you have something

511
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: different inside you than everybody else. You're calm inside the

512
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: face of pressure because your preparation has been different than

513
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: everybody else. And I mean, I think that was a

514
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: great image. You know, DJ was funny because he talked

515
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: about preparation on multiple occasions. I'm looking at the notes

516
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: from the conversation. He he talked about preparation and preparation

517
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: and practice and how they went about it and how

518
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the mental part of it, high expectations, high standards, the

519
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: details on both sides of the ball, and a lot

520
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: of what they talked about doing was bringing game like um,

521
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: energy and focus and attention to practice so they would

522
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: carry that over into games, and I think the common

523
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: denominated between the people and the teams that we see

524
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: are very successful. Uh, practice and preparation is everything. It

525
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: matters a lot how you get ready for games, how

526
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: you get ready for doing whatever it is that you're

527
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: about to take on and Matt is and if you

528
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: put in the time um to prepare and to prepare properly,

529
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: the results end up taking care of themselves. How about

530
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: the difference between the way the position was played when

531
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: he talked about volume versus now and when we've seen

532
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: these rookies get right on the field, right, get right

533
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: on the field and have success. A lot of them

534
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: have success. There is no way on God's green earth

535
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: that if right before the game started you go to

536
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and say you're in and you have to

537
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: have the responsibility that Joe Montana talked about that he

538
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: used to have back then with the amount of volume

539
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: you had to have in your head. Not only that,

540
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: it's it's as you've you've played in the system. You

541
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: know the side of just you have to make as

542
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: a receiver and as a quarterback to be able to

543
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: see all those side of just That's not the way

544
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: the games played anymore. I mean in some ways, you

545
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: think like as things grow, they build and get more complicated.

546
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: I think in the NFL, and maybe it's a good thing,

547
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: it's actually gone the other way. It's gotten simpler. Yeah,

548
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: it's gotten simpler because, like I think, what happened when

549
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: it came to the slification, you had a lot of

550
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: people that came out from up under their West Coast

551
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: offense tree. Um, they were extensions of wash and I

552
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: would say Shanahan had a different version of it, but

553
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Homewer and all the different disciples, and what happens DJ

554
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: is everyone adds to it, right. So it's the game

555
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: that we played in elementary where we asked the secret

556
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: and then you pass it on and then everyone adds something.

557
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: So so so now what should be red right twenty

558
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: two scat Hank becomes red right twenty two scat Hank

559
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: x ben Z Banger or whatever. And then the next

560
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: person who runs that adds something. So they try and

561
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: tell everybody. So then it became so verbose that you

562
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: can't remember that by the time, you know, we all

563
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: have short attention. By the time the quarterbacks start saying

564
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to play to the time of ends you're like, what

565
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: you got? I forgot, where where am I? What am

566
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: I doing? And so I think some of it they

567
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: had to cut it down so guys could play fast,

568
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: because you did have a bunch of young players, particularly

569
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers, kind of in a fog, trying to remember

570
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: where do I line up, what do I have, what

571
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: are the adjustments? And so it takes a lot. But yeah,

572
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: we are seeing a very simplified version of football, and

573
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: it's designed to help the quarterback play well, but also

574
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: to help all these perimeter players on the outside understand

575
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: what to do and play fast as well. I'm curious

576
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: because you you played during a time before the before

577
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: the earpiece came in the helmet, right Buck. Yeah, So

578
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: so did you guys signal or did you guys shuttle

579
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: shuttle players in what plays or did you guys signal

580
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: everything on the sidelines? You remember, I'm trying to think.

581
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I guess they had to. They had to signal it

582
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: in non that I'm thinking about it, because those wide

583
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: receivers didn't run in and out. They weren't running to

584
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: play in and that at the pro level, like that's

585
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: more college in high school, Yeah, there's nothing worse than

586
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: being a huddle and the receiver comes in and he

587
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: goes far right. Uh gosh, what was it fun? But

588
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm like the thing there, Yeah, no, I think they were.

589
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: They were signaling those things in. But man, just think

590
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: about how much you had to know DJ like you

591
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: have the quarterback, how much you had to know when

592
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: they're signing those plays in. I will say this there.

593
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: I don't think there were as many formations. Like when

594
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at the classic forty nine,

595
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: the forty nine is typically stayed in split backs. They

596
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: lined up and split backs, they line up in slot.

597
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they put the third receiver in, but it's still

598
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: split backs. They didn't have over going three or one.

599
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: We're going empty. We're doing all of these different things

600
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: that came later. They didn't have shotguns. They weren't using

601
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: shotgun because Bill wash wasn't a proponent of shotgun because

602
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: it messed it all to the timing of the passing game.

603
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still a lot of volume. So um,

604
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a thing in football where they say

605
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: you cannot for same but different same formation, a bunch

606
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: of different plays or different but same different formations, same

607
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: play and it's just a matter of what school you

608
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: subscribe to, and it's seemed like Bill Wahs subscribe to

609
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: the theory. Hey, we're gonna be in the same stuff.

610
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: We're just gonna do a bunch of different things out

611
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: of it to really challenge the defense. Yeah, it was.

612
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: That was a fun conversation. Any other any other notes

613
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: you took out of the the Interestry Buck? I think

614
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: when you talked about being at the forefront of the

615
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: movement where they took care of the team. I do

616
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: remember minimal pads and DJ even when we talk about

617
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: minimal paths, he talks about four pad days. Um, so

618
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: four past days would consist of going through stretch the

619
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: first five or six periods, and so you got to

620
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: what we call run period, uh and inside the building

621
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: they would call it not on seven. So you do

622
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: the heavy run period where you would have seven offensive

623
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: like players the offensive line to running back to whatever

624
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: you handed off. You're going against the defense, which includes

625
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: the D line, the linebackers, and safeties and you're kind

626
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: of banging up in there. You getting the time into

627
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the running game down. That is probably the most physical

628
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: part of practice. DJ. They wore blow a whistle. At

629
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: that point, everyone would go to the side, they would

630
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: pop off their show to pads, and they would resume

631
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the rest of practice in your helmets and just your

632
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: jerseys and your your pants. And so when you think

633
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: about really taking care of your team, that is the

634
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: ultimate when it comes to taking care of your team

635
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and trusting that they're going to be ready for the

636
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: physicality that takes place on Sunday. But the entire thing

637
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: you heard it, I want you fresh, I want you

638
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: ready to go. I want you to play at a

639
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: million miles an hour um when you have enough opportunity

640
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: to play on Sunday. And the way that you do

641
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: that is you make sure that your guys are ready

642
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and you preserve them and preserve their legs by not

643
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: beating them up in practice. The fascinating thing is you

644
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: look at that era, the Cowboys notorious under Jimmy Johnson

645
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: for just banging and and going very physical and practice.

646
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: Now you hear the forty nine is the way you

647
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: just described it. I mean, these are the two teams,

648
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, multiple Super Bowls for each of them, the

649
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: two dominant teams of a decade, doing it completely differently.

650
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I will say this having played in both both sides

651
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: of the equation. When I was in Kansas City, whenever

652
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: we played a team like the forty nine is are

653
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: like the Packers, we felt like we could beat them up,

654
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: and we felt like our physicality overwhelmed them. I remember

655
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: playing for Green Bay, like getting the Sunday and you

656
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: hadn't hit anybody. The first couple of collisions are like

657
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: a car, right what It takes you a while to adjust.

658
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: So I think you can take that approach if you

659
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: have what I call an older, a mature team that's

660
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of been in some wars. I think otherwise you

661
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: still kind of have to sprinkle in enough physicality to

662
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: really get ready for the game. Yeah, well, I just

663
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: we I wish we had more time to talk to

664
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: him because it was such a fun conversation there with

665
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: Joe Montana. But man again, we take a sheet full

666
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: of notes and be able to use that stuff as

667
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: we go forward. Um, all right, Buck, we have a

668
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: New World Series champ. As much as it pains me,

669
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I know you enjoyed it. I did not. As a

670
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: Padre fan. Uh you know, And I think I think

671
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: the thing the thing is though, and I'm really surprised

672
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: by you because like you're such You're such a caring

673
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: and kind of consider to guy, and I understand that

674
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: you are a fan and you're a friar faith whatever,

675
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: but I don't understand like, like being a fan of

676
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: the Padres doesn't mean you have to hate everybody else.

677
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't hate everybody. Don't get I don't. I don't

678
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: look the part of one last year that was great,

679
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: that's don't. I don't get their party. It's almost like

680
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: like me as a as a Carolina guy, like I

681
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: don't root against Duke when they're playing. I don't really

682
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: care about that. But I see you like you know

683
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: why you yeah? You yo? I love it. It's funny.

684
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: The only time I get the trolls with the Padres

685
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers. You know why you don't you know

686
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: why you don't care about Duke because you live in California,

687
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: if you live, if you live back in Carolina, and

688
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: all your friends, everybody that you see is Duke fans,

689
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: and then they just it's so obnoxious and so arrogant.

690
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: As you know Duke fans are, we agree on that,

691
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: and they would drive you crazy. There are no Duke

692
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: fans out here. I'm surrounded by Dodgers all working with

693
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: this Dodger fans. It's a nightmare. Yeah, because I noticed

694
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: after yea, what game was that Game four when you

695
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: just put this smiley face. Oh yeah, when they were

696
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: win the Little League the end of the game, Yeah,

697
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: which was which was so bad. They were so much better.

698
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: Like if you just take the roster, and their roster

699
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: is so much better than Tampa's. They're the best team

700
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: and they probably have been the best team for a

701
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: little while now. Um, but um, you know they they

702
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: got it done. And I give Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts,

703
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: come on the show. We're gonna air a little bit

704
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: of the clip we had him on May when we

705
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a break before the start

706
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: of the season. And uh, he's a great dude, San

707
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: Diego guy. Of course Mark prior their pitching coach, San

708
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: Diego guy. Um, but look he's so I'm happy for Dave.

709
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: I can be happy for Doc Roberts, happy for David Singer,

710
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: our buddy. Um, but the majority of Dodger fans now,

711
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: and it's like you got a two hundred million dollar payroll,

712
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: it's not you guys are a little engine that could

713
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: hear like this feel good story. And then the other

714
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: side of it is, oh, we haven't won since nine.

715
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: It's been so it's like we've never won anything the pottery.

716
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: You're not getting any sympathy from me. Give me a break.

717
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Eighty eight such a long time you want eight? You

718
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: won the division eight years in a row, like like you?

719
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, no one cares what we talked about.

720
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: You talked about last week titles, a T shirt, T

721
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: shirts and titles, so no one cares about those those

722
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: difusition T shirts. I'll be honest with you. I say

723
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: that with my mouth. But I might get a little

724
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: wild card T shirt for the padres here. It's been

725
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: a while. I might. I'd rock it. I would rock it.

726
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie buck. I would rock it this year.

727
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Uh all right? Oh, by the way, before we get

728
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: to the Dave Roberts thing, can we I know there's

729
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: a big analytics discussion because they took Blake Snell out

730
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: of that game when he was dealing and rolling, and

731
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: because the analytics say, you don't let it pitt your

732
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: face the lineup the third time through, so they trusted,

733
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: and they trusted that it didn't work out for him.

734
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: To me, I actually thought, Um, the issue wasn't necessarily

735
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: even taking him out, which was bad in and of itself,

736
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: but the issue was who you brought in. You brought

737
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: in a right hander who Mookie Betts has eaten up.

738
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Right handed pitching go against the lefties, So that doesn't

739
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: make any sense by the numbers, and the guy that

740
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: you run in giving up runs in six straight games.

741
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: Like So that's one of those things where I'm like,

742
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what computer you're using, but that doesn't

743
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: seem to make any sense to me. The other thing

744
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna point out is I think in the

745
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: analytics model, you have to have a model. We talked

746
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: about this in football at the time. Playoff football is

747
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: a little different than regular season football and a baseball

748
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: model for a hundred and sixty two games where you

749
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: beat people with death. Um, I don't. In the postseason,

750
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: you roll with your dudes. Man. You put your best

751
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: guys out there, and you give them your at bats

752
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: to your best players, and you keep your best pictures

753
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: to throw the most pitches they can when they're out there. Yeah,

754
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's the debate in

755
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: the discussion that we have even in the football world.

756
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: DJ we've seen this year, we haven't really touched on it,

757
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: but um two point plays, fourth down decisions, when to

758
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: go and where to go, And so you have the

759
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: numbers suggest like, oh, you gotta go for it right now.

760
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: You want to know, you want to know. But then

761
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: there's the old school football mind that's like hold on, man, like, look,

762
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: the first thing you have to do is make sure

763
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: that I don't put myself in a position to lose

764
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: the game. So how can I protect myself where I

765
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: can minimize the odds that we're going to lose based

766
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: off of this decision that we make. And I think

767
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times when we're doing the analytics driven

768
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: decisions sometimes that's not a consideration. And it's easy to

769
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: do to do that. And I think the best coaches

770
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: are the best people that are you utilizing analytics or whatever.

771
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: They're able to take the numbers while also sprinkling their

772
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: own expertise and try and make the best decision based

773
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: on all of the information, not just completely either your

774
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: gut or what the numbers say. You know, what they needed.

775
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. What they needed. They needed

776
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Gina Davis. Remember the movie, remember that movie, League of

777
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: their Own. She comes out there, her sister is the picture, right,

778
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: And she comes out there and and and the pitching

779
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: coach goes, what do you think? And she goes, she's

780
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: she's she's battling. She's battling. What do you really think? Yeah,

781
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: she's done. She's got nothing left, like she could stand.

782
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: She's a catcher. It's her own sister. She's called like

783
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: she s like they needed to go to the catcher

784
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: and be like, is this guy is he still good?

785
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: We're good here, Yeah, he's great. We're fine. And I

786
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: think sometimes like I do believe sometimes, I mean your eyeballs,

787
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: like the dominance that was being displayed. Sometimes you just

788
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: have to trust, like you know, I mean, I I

789
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: know the numbers say this, but I'm gonna have to

790
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: go with this, Like I feel this based off my

791
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: guy is hot, he's rolling and whatever, and I understand,

792
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: like not want to see three times through, but he

793
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: was dealing and it was almost like they let him

794
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: off the hook. They needed Gina Davis behind the plate.

795
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: If she's catching that game, she she tells him they

796
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: gotta keep them in. That's that's simple. All right, Let's

797
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: get to it. Let's get to this little snippet here.

798
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: This is our conversation with Dave doc Roberts in May

799
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: um talking about the importance. So I actually I think

800
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: you have the question here. I won't I won't tease it.

801
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Let's just let's roll it. One of the things that

802
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: I've heard about you is because you guys have been

803
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: really heavily analytic driven, that you've had to really manage

804
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: the relationship with the players to get them to have

805
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: a complete buy in. Talk about the importance of trust

806
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: and communication when you are trying to make decisions under

807
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: in the best inches of the team, but you're dealing

808
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: with players who used to play every day. Well, that's yeah,

809
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: that's that's a constant Uh. I wouldn't say struggle is

810
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: a constant challenge. It's something that I gotta keep front

811
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: of mind. Um. You know, I think the thing is

812
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: is that I have to always remember what it's like

813
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: to be a player. When you're a coach, you have

814
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: to remember that. UM. And secondly, UM, I very all

815
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: the time. I let players know our goal is to

816
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: win baseball games, and winning is uh the most important thing.

817
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: So when you have a lot of good players, you know,

818
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: players want to take of their families, they want to perform,

819
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: they want the opportunity. They always feel that they're the

820
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: best option, which I love and you never want to

821
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: change that. Um. But I do think that to play

822
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: for a champion, there's got to be sacrifice. And I

823
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: think that for us that's something we talk about and

824
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: just given guys opportunities, um, you know when they can,

825
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: when I can, and kind of make guys feel relevant

826
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: and empowered. But it's tough because I think for me,

827
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: as you guys might have heard, I try to touch

828
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: every player every single day. And you know, you see

829
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast with Pete Caroline Steve Kerr

830
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, and you know Pete Carre, Pete

831
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Carre's a guy that's going up and down the sidelines,

832
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: patent guys on the butt. And you know, just a

833
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: little something I think that that goes along the way

834
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: when you're a leader of men or women. Um. And

835
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: so just a little bit that that head coach of

836
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: that manager can let him know, Hey, I'm thinking about you.

837
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: I still believe you, I still need you. And that

838
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: little bit keeps guys going. But I think for me,

839
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: it's the consistency of having those conversations. All right, Buck,

840
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: you get a chance to to listen back to that

841
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: conversation seems like a million years ago, right, Uh, chatting

842
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: with with Dave Roberts. But I thought it was important

843
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: what he had to say there, and I think it

844
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: showed out just the leadership that he had and being

845
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: able interact with everybody. You know, he he's being great.

846
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: And I think, um, the thing about it is not

847
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: only the managing of the interpersonal relationships with the team

848
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: and making sure that everybody feels like they're important, but

849
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: also the resiliency that he had to get his team

850
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: to display. They I mean, they've come up short so

851
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: many times they've been there, and there's no fast boarding

852
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: to get to the next step, which is to win

853
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: the title and so look great perspective and and we

854
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: talked about this before we came on. Uh. Once you

855
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Speaker 1: get the first one down and the way in which

856
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: they were able to do it, potentially it can unlock

857
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Speaker 1: a run that we've seen Yankees have, a run that

858
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: we saw the and then a Braves have because you

859
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of know um and football. We saw the Patriots

860
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: have it. Because once you acquire that knowledge of what

861
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: it takes to win it, well, now the fund can

862
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: begin if everybody is able to kind of keep the

863
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: egos in check and everyone doesn't uh run them up

864
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: trying to think that they're chiefly responsible for the success.

865
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Speaker 1: If you can keep the team together and keep the

866
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: minset right, there's no reason why they can't continue to

867
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: go back and always be in the mix, and then

868
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: the conversation each and every year. This is what scares

869
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Speaker 1: me is that I'm thinking of the Chicago Bulls and

870
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of acquiring so much postseason experience with with

871
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: failure right or you know that they couldn't get past

872
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: the Pistons, but they acquired all that experience when they

873
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: were very young. Think about the Dallas Cowboys. They had

874
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: a young, young team and then once they got a

875
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: taste of it, once they figured out they could do it.

876
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Now you've got the talent and the confidence in the

877
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 1: experience all coming together. And the Dodgers team is still

878
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: the core of the team is really young, curshots a

879
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: little bit older. Kenley Jansen is about done, but they

880
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: but they have a core that is very young. They

881
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of postseason experience, the struggles to try

882
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: and get through it, couldn't get through it, they break through.

883
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you, as much as it pains me to say,

884
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if they ripped off you know,

885
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: three or four here in the next six or seven years.

886
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: It's even a thing. Is And also, like I would

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Speaker 1: say this because you're a Padres fan, I think the

888
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: rivalry with the Padres, I think that makes everyone have

889
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to perk up, like there's not a level of complacently

890
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: complacency that can happen in the n O West because

891
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: the Padres a me and so I think that would

892
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: be an interesting battle, uh, to watch as they go forth,

893
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: as the Padres are trying to close ground and as

894
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are trying to stave off to the challenge.

895
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: I think that's you can make for some very interesting

896
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: baseball wise. Yeah. And by the way, uh, to my

897
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: fellow Pottery fans out there, maybe three or listening to

898
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: this right now, But the uh, don't be the person

899
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: that's like we lost to the team that won the

900
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: whole thing, Like there's no right, no, that's not that

901
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you don't get anything for that. That's not that doesn't matter.

902
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: I hate to tell the man, don't you hate that?

903
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Well that means could have been I'm like, no, you

904
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: lost to him. I mean, I mean it sucks, yet

905
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: our starting pitchers were hurt. I get that, but don't

906
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: don't give me the Uh. You know, we lost to them,

907
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: so that makes we're the second best team? Like, no,

908
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: you lost? Um? All right, anything anything else you want

909
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: to add before we jump out of here? Back? No,

910
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I man, that was good. Man. You talk about having

911
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: a conversation with the ultimate winner and then reflecting back

912
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: on a conversation with the guy who just won the

913
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: World Series. I think it was a fantastic podcast. We

914
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: continue to to learn and know more about building the

915
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: right stuff, how to build championship teams and implement at

916
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: the right culture. I don't know if you can get

917
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: two better guys than the ones that we had on

918
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Speaker 1: the show today. Well, it was great. By the way,

919
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Speaker 1: I alway show a challenge out there to somebody. Uh,

920
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: if you anybody can have a website, right, so you

921
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: can have a little blog or what have you. Somebody.

922
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Speaker 1: We have some of this on our own, but I

923
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Speaker 1: would love it if somebody is interested in the culture

924
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: stuff like we are. If you went back through all

925
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: of our conversations we've had with coaches, um and and

926
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: great players like like Hall of Famers, where we've got

927
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Speaker 1: some of these, can create a little blog and then

928
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: keep keep a little tab there of all the of

929
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Speaker 1: all the notes that you've been able to compile. We

930
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: we compile all these notes on our on our end,

931
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: we put them in our own computers. But if somebody

932
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: wants to be able to compile that, we could share

933
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Speaker 1: it with the rest of the rest of our audience.

934
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Speaker 1: Because I know you guys dig that stuff as well,

935
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Speaker 1: So somebody wants to go for that, go for a

936
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: little homework project for you. Um. Anyways, that that was

937
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Speaker 1: a fun episode, and I think David Singer for booking that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark and a Bill for the work they

939
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: do for us. And we're out here. We'll catch you

940
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: next time. Right here, I moved the sticks presented by Zaxby's.

941
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: But he thought what bout half got before to love?

942
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Speaker 1: Thought WoT thout half waking before to love? Pout