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Speaker 2: Crushed it.

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Speaker 4: That's what the game's all about.

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Speaker 2: As you feel like you can't miss.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave it up if you try that again. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Check out that show as well. On today's show, we

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Speaker 3: are going to do a crystal Ball edition of the

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Speaker 3: Marquee we are going to go over our back to

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Speaker 3: the future on bets that we wish we had made.

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Speaker 3: I've got an addition of thanks for nothing, and we'll

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Speaker 3: do all that and more on today's show. Joining me

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Speaker 3: as always Brandon Anderson. Raheem Palmer, Brandon, how are you today.

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 5: I'm finally getting a little rest after March madness wrapped up.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready to settle in for basically just NBA for

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Speaker 5: a few months here again that's stretch run here for

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Speaker 5: the playoffs and feeling good.

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Speaker 3: Raheem, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I've been rolling the bets, have been doing really well.

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Speaker 2: I can't complain. I had, you know, some really big

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Speaker 2: bets on on weekend, so trying to do a little

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Speaker 2: bit more boxing. I had a big boxing match of

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Speaker 2: the day. You went well, knocked them out in fifth round.

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Speaker 2: So we're profitable. I mean, that's that's all you can

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Speaker 2: all you can do in is business.

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Speaker 3: I'm having an awful, awful run of luck. Not only

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Speaker 3: did I bet the Raptors minus won half in the

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Speaker 3: first quarter in a game they won by fifty and lost,

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Speaker 3: but last night I had Clippers second quarter and somehow

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Speaker 3: in a game in which they led for the from

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Speaker 3: wire to wire, dominated three quarters. I lost the second quarter,

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Speaker 3: the worst quarter that Blazers have every single game. So

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Speaker 3: I'm hurting and I'm angry, and to be honest, I'm bitter.

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Speaker 3: I'm real bitter about it. But we move on. Let's

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Speaker 3: get started with our marquee.

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Speaker 1: The marquee.

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Speaker 3: Look here the shutter for the crowd. Brandon Anderson has

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Speaker 3: come up with a series of questions for us for

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Speaker 3: our crystal ball looking at the second half of the

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Speaker 3: season and a little bit into the off season. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna go over those as kind of a primer for

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Speaker 3: how we see this last stretch going into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: As we sit here today, we're about forty five days

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Speaker 3: away from the start of the NBA playoffs, to at

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Speaker 3: least the play in tournament. First, I will ask you

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Speaker 3: the most important question that there is to ask gentlemen, Brandon,

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Speaker 3: let's just go ahead and get this out of the way,

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Speaker 3: since I know you and I disagree. If you make

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Speaker 3: the playing game, have you made the playoffs?

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Speaker 5: So I say yes. The playoffs are binary. You're either

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Speaker 5: in or you're out. Then you make the playing game.

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Speaker 5: You're in the playoffs. I know the NBA is saying otherwise.

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Speaker 5: For now, I don't think it's gonna last. There's no limbo,

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Speaker 5: there's no in between. We got to count the numbers somewhere.

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Speaker 5: You make the plane, you made the playoffs. It's the

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Speaker 5: same thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're wrong, and that's dumb raheem. What are your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on this very important issue.

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Speaker 2: I kind of see it the same way as the

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, the first four in, first four out, or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So I consider it making the playoffs. I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: of how I see it. But Okay, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe it may maybe maybe it's like baseball to where

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Speaker 2: it's just like you know, they play that extra game

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Speaker 4: The playoffs, So which counts as the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you make, if you make the one game,

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Speaker 3: then baseball they consider that you made the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Well, if if you are playing the regular season tiebreak,

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Speaker 3: Well that's what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, if you make a one game play in,

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Speaker 5: if you're the four and five seeds, as the play

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Speaker 3: That's not okay, But we're not talking about the wild cards.

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Speaker 3: You're you're trying to make the baseball comparison, and I'm

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Speaker 2: It does seem like. It seems like it's the it's

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. Let me ask you

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Speaker 5: When it gets to that game nine versus ten and

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Speaker 5: we're rolling out for Bulls Pay and you're getting excited,

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Speaker 5: do you think that the NBA is not going to

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Speaker 5: play that pit Bull intro music because the playoffs are

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Speaker 5: here and if pit Bull is playing, the playoffs have arrived.

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Speaker 3: They haven't used pit Bull since that time. They never

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Speaker 3: go back because I don't know. I think it's because

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Speaker 3: they get money from the record companies, but they will not.

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Speaker 3: For me, I would just say, this doesn't make sense

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Speaker 3: for it to be the play in. What are you

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Speaker 3: playing into? You're playing into the playoffs. That's the point.

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Speaker 3: That's the play in tournament to get into the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: that's the point. Kevin Pelton, I think, was the one

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Speaker 3: up with, which is you're right there. It's binary, but

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Speaker 3: it's only binary in the sense if there's a regular

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Speaker 3: season and there's the postseason. Right, if you make the

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Speaker 3: has ended. It is post the season. You have made

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Speaker 3: the postseason, but you haven't made the playoffs. Because the

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Speaker 3: playoffs are seven game series, you have to win the

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Speaker 3: are like, I'm fine with just talking about you as

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Speaker 3: a play in team. That's fine. They're not a playoff team.

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Speaker 3: They're a play in team, but I don't think he

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Speaker 5: You know, we get to this time of the year

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Speaker 5: how do you frame it, how do you think of

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Speaker 4: You guys are ready get started.

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Speaker 3: Let's get started, all right.

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Speaker 5: So this is the NBA Crystal Ball over or under

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Speaker 5: five and a half playoff games won by all four

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Speaker 5: playing winners. So once we reach the playoffs, over under

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Speaker 5: five and a half cumulative playoff games won by those

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Speaker 5: four teams, I think I just made Map's point for him. Raheem,

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Speaker 5: what do you think.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go under? Because I don't see anyone really

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn or Philadelphi's gonna sweep whoever they play. And then

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Speaker 2: the Jazz, I think, you know, the team's at the

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Speaker 2: think they probably get two wins Max, So I'm going under.

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Speaker 3: I think it's wild. Okay, so we look at it.

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Speaker 3: You have to. It's a minimum of four, right, are

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Speaker 3: we talking about this in the playoff games?

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Speaker 4: We're no, the four don't count. You got to actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty much two teams right right right. I

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Speaker 3: Over. And the reason I will go over is specifically

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Speaker 3: because of obviously the Western Conference like the Eastern Conference. No,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that I think there will be

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Speaker 3: the seven and eight s. People probably take one game

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Speaker 3: off of the top two. I think that's possible. But

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Speaker 3: in the West, like look, we got Mavericks, Grizzly Spurs, Warriors,

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Speaker 3: possibly Pelicans in that set. The Clippers, Jazz, and Sons

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Speaker 3: are not dynamite teams. Like I have no reason to

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any reason to think that. So take

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Speaker 3: one from the East. I think it's likely that will

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Speaker 3: get at least like I don't know a two game

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Speaker 3: it's a stretch. If it's four and a half, I'm

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Speaker 3: absolutely taking the over. I will very gently take the

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Speaker 3: over on this one because I do think that these

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Speaker 3: playoff series are going to be closer in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 3: I expected it's.

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Speaker 2: Five and a half. Though, that's a lot of games,

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Speaker 2: so you basically say you have to win six games.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 2: I like to bet against human achievement. Okay, wow, I

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 5: I struggled to set the line here between the four

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Speaker 5: and a half and the five and a half. I

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Speaker 5: felt like four and a half the over was was

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Speaker 5: a little too attainable. I set it up five and

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Speaker 5: a half. I think I'd go under just because I

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Speaker 5: that I believe in the Mavericks at least pushing a

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Speaker 5: first round series to like six games. I think Lucas

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Speaker 5: pushing into six games, and you want at least two

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Speaker 5: maybe games seven. You won three, and then we're probably

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Speaker 5: hitting the over. But I don't believe in the Blazers

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Speaker 5: a half behind, so if they jump up, then we're

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Speaker 5: in trouble. But on the other side, if the Lakers

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Speaker 5: dropped down, we're probably wanting the over here.

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Speaker 3: So ooh, good point. That's a really good point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right, So sticking with the first round

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Speaker 5: over under one point five first round Game seven's this year.

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Speaker 5: So between all eight series over under one and a half,

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Speaker 5: game seven's, Matt, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I'll typ be over? I think you have to look

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Speaker 3: four or five matchup, in particular, whoever winds up in

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Speaker 3: those series, I think that series probably goes seven. I

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Speaker 3: think that any of those teams are good enough to

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Speaker 3: avoid a Game seven. Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami. If it's the

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Speaker 3: that first four or five is probably going deep. I

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Speaker 3: think in the Western Conference, obviously, the four or five

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Speaker 3: is a pretty choice spot for there to be it

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Speaker 3: to go over, and if not, I think the three

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Speaker 3: six has possibilities there. If it's Clippers Blazers, if it's

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Speaker 3: Blazers are gonna drag one of these series out, like

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Speaker 3: they're just gonna hang around and all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: be in a seven game series and then once again,

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Speaker 3: like the Blazers fans can be like if we were

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Speaker 2: I just I think there's been a lot of parody

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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Matt, that those are the three

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Speaker 5: But we've still got three three close series.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm taking, I'm gonna bet. I'm gonna be betting

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 5: all right, Well, speaking of seeds five and lower, so

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Speaker 5: that's five, six, seven, eight. And this, obviously this line

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Speaker 5: we don't know yet over under three point five playoff

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Speaker 3: A really good one because you have to really map

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Speaker 3: the Lakers blasted the Raptors last night, like blasted them.

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Speaker 3: they're terrible, They're gonna slide. We've seen this random ass

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be like that whole thing. I think it's

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Speaker 3: look at how like at three and a half, okay,

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Speaker 3: you could take the Lakers, and what you're basically betting

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Speaker 3: here is just are the Lakers gonna be seated five

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Speaker 3: I'll go under because I think it's very possible the

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Speaker 3: if the Lakers are do you wind up in the five.

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Speaker 3: I think it's at least possible enough for them not

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Speaker 3: go short. In the East is not even a question.

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Speaker 3: There's no question in the East for any of us,

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: I will go under three and a half playoff series

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going under here too. I just think the

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Speaker 2: could you know, the Clippers can fall to four and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 5: I try to set this one up so that you

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Speaker 5: and you guys both went under, but kind of for

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Speaker 5: opposite reasons. Like Matt, you actually are betting on the

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Speaker 5: Lakers being good enough to not be in those five

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Speaker 5: plus seeds, And I gotta say, if the Lakers are

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Speaker 5: if the Lakers aren't in, it's not happening. So that's

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Speaker 5: a very good point, all right. Next one up, We've

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Speaker 5: been doing a lot of Utah Jazz talking the biggest

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Speaker 5: jazz podcast fans here on the planet. So, gentlemen, the

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Speaker 5: Jazz are set up to win a whole bunch of

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Speaker 5: regular season awards. So Jazz Major regular season awards this

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Speaker 5: this year. So just to recap, that can count Coach

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Speaker 5: of the Year, six Man in the Year, Defensive Player

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Speaker 5: on the Jazz.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I think you gotta you gotta go Major

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Speaker 2: Awards minus one and a half. Damn. Actually no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I want, I want to make an adjustment on this.

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Speaker 3: I think we should put this plus one and a

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, I do that, do it backwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to do plus one and a half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, plus yea and plus

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Speaker 2: I have to take. I have to take the plus

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Speaker 2: Quinn is Quinn Snyder's favorite and minus one fifty or so.

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Speaker 2: So I just think, yeah, I'm gonna take the plus

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Speaker 4: But I just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm honestly I think I'll later one and

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Speaker 2: a half because they could easily lose in the second round.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll they'll be underdogs to the to the Nuggets,

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Speaker 2: they'll be underdogs to the Lakers, they'll be underdogs to

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Speaker 3: Even And when where do you come out on that? Rahims?

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Speaker 3: So if we got three awards or four playoff series,

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Speaker 3: Which one get there?

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Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm taking a major awards.

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Speaker 3: The awards, right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I'm in the same spot because six Man of

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Speaker 3: the Year is over, Brandon Joe Ingles is not gonna win.

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Speaker 4: It still counts for the Jazz.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, that's true. But six Man of the

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Speaker 3: I think I'm very sad because I bet Ben Simmons

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Speaker 3: to me because I don't think he deserves it as

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Speaker 3: And then coach of the Year. I don't know, like

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Speaker 3: who else is winning Coach of the Year, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, do what maybe?

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I would give I would give it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see a doc getting it. If the

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Speaker 3: No, because they're a playoff team r ready and the

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think it's if it's even. If

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Speaker 3: Mius one and a half is tough that here, though,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of about what your original one,

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Speaker 3: Like basically, are they gonna like, well, they only win one.

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Speaker 4: Series, right I was trying to set.

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Speaker 3: Up Yeah, if you're trying to if you're trying to

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Speaker 3: set that up, then I'm still gonna grab the playoff series.

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Speaker 3: I think you've got to have, like you have to

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Speaker 3: bet that they're gonna they're gonna like you have to

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Speaker 3: number one seed. They've shot all these threes, they have

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Speaker 3: all this talent. Donovan Mitchell's numbers are really freaking insane.

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Speaker 3: I looked up yesterday. He's the number one player in

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Speaker 3: effective field goal percentage on pull up jumpers with like

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Speaker 3: I think you got to have a little bit more

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Speaker 3: taking the awards minus one and a half, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, without a doubt. I'm definitely taking awards because

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Speaker 3: Do you think so you think the Jazz are a

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Speaker 2: No, I think they win the first round, but I

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Speaker 2: think you know whoever, Like right now they're slated to

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Speaker 2: play the Nuggets in the second round. We're all taking

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Speaker 2: the Nuggets if like, even if the Nuggets climb up,

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Speaker 2: they'll be playing They'll be playing the Clippers or the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Probably you said that we'll all be taking the nuggets.

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Speaker 3: I will guarantee you that if it's a contrarian spot,

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Speaker 3: Brandon will absolutely, absolute, will absolutely be like I think

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Speaker 3: the Jazz can win. I think they're a better team,

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Speaker 3: maybe the better team. Like I, I can see it

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Speaker 6: Thanks for listening. Now back to the.

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Speaker 3: Show, right head excellent.

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Speaker 5: Before we go on, Matt, I just want to know

449
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: so I agree with the defensive play there.

450
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Speaker 4: We've talked about this. I agree Simmons has been better.

451
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Speaker 5: You maybe haven't thought through two part down the ballot,

452
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Speaker 5: but just so our listeners can hear, like, how far

453
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Speaker 5: out on rity Gilbert are you? Would he be second

454
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Speaker 5: on your ballot or is he down the way is

455
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Speaker 5: on your ballots?

456
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Speaker 3: Third? For me, it's Simmons and then Miles Turner okay,

457
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 3: and then Gobert. The only problem is the Pacers defensive

458
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: rating hasn't been good enough for Turner to win, and

459
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: that's a bummer, and they haven't had enough team success.

460
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: But to me, a lot of this is about, like

461
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: what's actually most valuable for winning new games? And in

462
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: the regular season. Yeah, you can play drop coverage like

463
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Speaker 3: Gobert does and hold your hands up and be tall,

464
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: and that's fine, but like you need versatility, and Turner

465
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: is the most versatile big man defensively in the league,

466
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Speaker 3: and Simmons, to me, is the most versatile wing in

467
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Speaker 3: the league. And so like, those are the guys that

468
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Speaker 3: I would put on that list for defensive player of

469
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Speaker 3: the Year above Gobert, because.

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Speaker 2: You know, one thing I want one thing I want

471
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Speaker 2: to say about that is so interesting that Pacers play

472
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Speaker 2: the timber Wolves to night. And this total got steamed

473
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Speaker 2: up from two twenty seven to two thirty two right now,

474
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Speaker 2: because Turner is out. So I think the market actually

475
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Speaker 2: knows that Turner is how big of a deferensive impact?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

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Speaker 5: All right, next question, gentlemen, next one. So we're gonna

478
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Speaker 5: start thinking now, not just this year's playoffs, but out

479
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Speaker 5: out of had a little further. So this is the

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Speaker 5: Brandon Chicago Bulls Fans special right here, over under one

481
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: point five playoff series of victories one lifetime by the

482
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Speaker 5: Zach Levine nikola Usovich Bulls Era over under one and

483
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Speaker 5: a half playoff series victories, rahiem over under under.

484
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Speaker 2: That's it, And this seems not one of anything they

485
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: might even this could be over under playoffs ether, I mean,

486
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Speaker 2: get into the playoffs realistically.

487
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Speaker 3: You're insane, You're crazy, You're crazy. But no, but here

488
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: here's why. Here's I'll be over and I'll tell you

489
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Speaker 3: why I'm gonna take the over. Our touris Karnosovius. Do

490
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: not mess around with our tourists, like, do not mess

491
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Speaker 3: around with him, do not doubt him. I covered the

492
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Speaker 3: man in Denver. Let's just say that, like not not

493
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Speaker 3: the warmest individual. Maybe that you're gonna run into like

494
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 3: he is not like a big chatty cathy, not like

495
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Speaker 3: a hey, how you doing, uh so, very intimidating, very

496
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Speaker 3: serious man. And as such, I think, Look, he made

497
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Speaker 3: it clear in the press conference that they're going to

498
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: continue to like compete for other guys, like they're not done,

499
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Speaker 3: Like they will keep making moves on the roster, and

500
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Speaker 3: like they wanted to move Laron markn in for Lonzo

501
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Speaker 3: Ball and they couldn't pull it off. They will probably

502
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Speaker 3: move him this summer. They will continue to move guys

503
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Speaker 3: like I had a lot of faith in our tourist Carnosovus,

504
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Speaker 3: and I think we're overreacting to how this says looked

505
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Speaker 3: in the beginning. Zach Lavine has played awesome this year.

506
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: Nich has played awesome this year. We had a couple

507
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Speaker 3: signs in the last game. I think that they're starting

508
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Speaker 3: to get it together. I think they're gonna start, you know,

509
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: putting this together. And yeah, I think that I think

510
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Speaker 3: they at least at least two playoff series they'll win

511
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: in the era I will I will go ahead and

512
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Speaker 3: take the over on that, given the fact that I

513
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Speaker 3: think Carnasovius can remake Chicago as a legitimate free agency destination.

514
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Speaker 2: If there was a way to take your action on it,

515
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: I would totally take your action.

516
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I uh, it will come as a shocker to

517
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Speaker 5: everyone that I'd be taking the under here, and I

518
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 5: would have taken it under a zero point five. But

519
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Speaker 5: I gave them a one playoff series somewhere just to

520
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Speaker 5: be charitable. But let's stay in the east. Stay we're

521
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Speaker 5: still going forward over under three point five playoff series

522
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: one from this moment forward by the coach Butenholzer Milwaukee Bucks.

523
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 5: So this season or any year after over under three

524
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Speaker 5: point five playoff series victories, Matt.

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Speaker 3: No, I have to go under. I don't want to,

526
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: but I have to go under because look, either you know,

527
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: you're either saying that they win the title this year,

528
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Speaker 3: because I don't know the Botenholzer lasts past this year.

529
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Speaker 3: If they have another flame out, like, I don't know

530
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: how you run it back, if your Bucks ownership after that, like,

531
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Speaker 3: there's got to be a level of frustration. They ain't

532
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: the honest, they ain't through holiday to the extension this week.

533
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: Those are both big pieces of news. But I think

534
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: at some point, at some point, I think you've got

535
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: to make the decision to move on. So I do

536
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Speaker 3: I think they'll win the title this year? I think

537
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: it can. I'm not betting them too, I'll wait and see.

538
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: I hope they do.

539
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: It would be a great story, but until they do, Like,

540
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: at this point, you're gonna have to show me. So

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Speaker 3: I will go ahead and go under.

542
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you got to go under because if

543
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: they don't win the finals, they don't, they don't, If

544
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Speaker 2: they don't even go to the Eastern Conference finals, he

545
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: could get fired, right, Yeah, so I think, I mean,

546
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: you're you're basically betting if they're gonna win the title

547
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: this year because it could be over this ship.

548
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Speaker 5: Do you think that if they make the finals, you know,

549
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 5: that's three he's gonna have to come back and win

550
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: another one next year. What if they make the finals,

551
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 5: does they stay around them? That's a step forward? Oh yeah,

552
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 5: I mean I think he makes the finals, he's fine.

553
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 5: But I mean I think if they don't make the finals,

554
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: this could be it. And I like the nets, So yeah,

555
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: I agree that that was the premise here is. I

556
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 5: think if they don't at least make the finals, that's it.

557
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: And but yeah, it shouldn't be even odds done because

558
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: you're basically just betting on the Bucks making the finals

559
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: and that would not be even odds. Here all right,

560
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 5: over under one point five more Lebron rings or MVPs

561
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 5: in his career, So add those together. More championship rings

562
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 5: and MVP trophies going forward, over or under one point

563
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 5: five more rahiem.

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00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: I'm going under. You could just make this, you know,

565
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: over anyone good in the NBA?

566
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Speaker 3: Can I ask you this question? Is anyone good in

567
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: the NBA?

568
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: Every team sucks?

569
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: Like teams are good, But I mean, I just think

570
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: there's always more value betting against the human achievement. There's

571
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: always like it's always been like one of my philosophies

572
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: in terms of betting, because it's just always shaded, and

573
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: I think this one shaded. Like, I mean, Lebron is

574
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: what is.

575
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Speaker 1: He Lebron James oldest starting player in the NBA.

576
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: He's older than me. He's like thirty six years old

577
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: or whatever. He's been in the league eighteen years. It's

578
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: just at some point you slow down. I mean, we've

579
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: seen him get injured twice out of the last three seasons.

580
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: For the first time ever. He's having these major injuries.

581
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Lakers will be lucky to

582
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: get one more ring brain ankle, high ankle spring.

583
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: He has an ankle spring.

584
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying this is a guy ankle.

585
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: He why dove into it?

586
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Hear me out.

587
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: He's second major injury in the last May, and having

588
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: a high ankle sprain is a major injury. Do not

589
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: do this.

590
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: It's the second biggest injury he's had in his lifetime.

591
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Basic, I know, but I'm just I'm just saying, how

592
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: many years are you expecting him to continue?

593
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 5: Not enough five years ago, but now that it keeps on,

594
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: how every year I've just given up on predicted.

595
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: I'm not giving up, like I mean right now to

596
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: me giving up on failure.

597
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: This year, in the last year was his best chances

598
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: to win an MVP, and I think you know the

599
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: ship is starting to sell for it. I think you

600
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: know this is a young man's lead. So I gotta

601
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: bet against you know, a thirty six, thirty seven year

602
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: old guy winning another MVP. And I just think Anthony

603
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: Davis might not hold up. Like dude has made a glass.

604
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: All right, I'll go over. I think you gotta look

605
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: at again. I'll just say this. If he comes back

606
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: in the next I don't know, two weeks. If he

607
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: gets back in the next two weeks, he still has

608
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: a month left to compete for this MVP award. I

609
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: cannot stress this enough. The voters want to give it

610
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: to it, Like I can't. I just I have to

611
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: tell you this. The voters want to give it to him.

612
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: Every voter I talk to this is literally the phrase

613
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: that I've heard, which is like, well, I have to

614
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: give it to Yoka Trod now, Like they're being handcuffed

615
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: to Nicola Jokic against their will. And that's like where

616
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: people are at because the voters want to reward Lebron

617
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: because he's Lebron, because he's an institution now, which is

618
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: really crazy to see because he was like the disruptive

619
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: force so early in his career. But now right now, Yeah,

620
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: like they're forced to vote for Nicola Jokic.

621
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Speaker 2: So you'll say, we sho, so we got to pause this.

622
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: So you're saying that we should take the plus fourteen

623
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: hundred on Lebron to win MVP.

624
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: At fourteen hundred.

625
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I mean. That's what it is now.

626
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like Jokic, NB, Jannis Hart and Lillard,

627
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: they're all above Lebron right now.

628
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: I can't say it's a value beat right now because

629
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna be four or six weeks,

630
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: right Like, I don't know. I don't know if he's

631
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: back in two weeks. I don't know if he's back

632
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: in four weeks, And like every little bit gets over it.

633
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: But I'll just say this, even if it doesn't, if

634
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen this year, like the next time that

635
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: they have a chance to, they're gonna give it to him,

636
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: like they want give him the MVP. Okay, they want to,

637
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: and he's still I will tell you this, he's gonna

638
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: get a huge chunk of first place votes this year.

639
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: He will still get a huge chunk. Like I think

640
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic has to be the like not only the favorite,

641
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: but he's got He's a smart bet right now. And

642
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: the biggest reason I'm kind of coming to this conclusion

643
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: is it's gonna be a split field in the in

644
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: for the first place votes. But there are gonna be

645
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people that will not have MB like

646
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: they'll go Lebron Jokic, Dame or Jokic Dame Lebron. There's

647
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: a lot of those. Nikola Jokic will be on every

648
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: single ballot. He will be on Nikola Yokic will be

649
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: on every single ballot, and those cumulative points even if

650
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: he doesn't get a majority of first place votes, which,

651
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: by the way, historically that's never been the trend. There's

652
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: always like it coalesces around one guy and that guy

653
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: picks up the majority. Even in twenty seventeen, Westbrook got

654
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: a vast majority of first place votes. He got a

655
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: majority of first place. We haven't seen a race where

656
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: one guy did not get the majority of first place votes.

657
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen. The media kind of like there

658
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: is like I hesitate to say, a group think mechanism,

659
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: but there's something about that that kind of drives it

660
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: towards it. Plus, if you're the gig, give me the

661
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 3: one and a half. Look, do I think it's possible

662
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: they win the title this year and then two years

663
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 3: later another Lakers star, another star decides to come over

664
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 3: to the Lakers. Yeah, Like Lebron's window is open years,

665
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Like he decides when it's over, So I will take

666
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: the over.

667
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 5: All, Right, Well, from the distant past with Lebron James

668
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: and present and future indefinitely, We're gonna take our crystal

669
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: ball and start looking well into the future. Guys, we

670
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: just watched the Final four this week. We saw Jalen

671
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 5: Suggs hit one of the all time great basketball shots

672
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: for Gonzaga. We watch Kid Cunningham. One of those two guys.

673
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: Probably Cunningham is gonna be the number one NBA draft

674
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: pick this year. Sog is gonna go in the top five.

675
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 5: So who gets the first top five NBA MVP Finish

676
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: Kid Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, LaMelo Ball or none of the above? Rahim,

677
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: Do you have a have any take here?

678
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: I watched a little bit of Jaylen Suggs. He looks

679
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: he's undersize. I don't see him getting an MVP, but

680
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: I don't I haven't seen like I only just saw

681
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: him like this weekend. I don't watch a lot of

682
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: college basketball, but I just don't see him winning MVP. Kate,

683
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I haven't seen. I think Mellow can actually get it

684
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: because I think he's an impact player already. So I

685
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: got to him just based on what I've seen this year.

686
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: This is really tough for me because I think everyone

687
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: loves LaMelo Ball, like everyone just loves him. He is

688
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: a darling already. However, he was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets,

689
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: and no one's coming to play in Charlotte, which sucks

690
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: because I had uh a starter jacket for the Hornets

691
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: and they were my favorite team when I was a

692
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: kid because of the Lons of Morning. So I love

693
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: the Charlotte Hornets absolute best color scheme. Uh just I

694
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: They're They're the They're the coolest logo. I just love

695
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: the Hornets. I will go with CADE, so they're they're

696
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: my guy. Brian Schroeder is member of like the Draft

697
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: Twitter contingent, and I get a lot of information from

698
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: him in a slack that I had that he happens

699
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: to be in. He just posts stuff into like a

700
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: channel that's all about the draft, and the stuff that

701
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: he posts on Kate is absolutely ridiculous, Like Kate, Kate

702
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: has the potential. There is a reason why everyone last

703
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: year was like do you want my pick? Because you

704
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: could have my pick? Do you want it? Even you

705
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: can have my pick if you want it? Last year

706
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: and this year everyone's like keeping it no matter what

707
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: I want. Cad it's you know, I understand why SUGS

708
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: is getting conversation. I think this is a great draft.

709
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be an awesome draft all the

710
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: way through. I think if you're in the top three,

711
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna be pretty well, even though the history of

712
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: number two is not great.

713
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: But look, I think.

714
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: Kate Cunningham is clearly the best and he I think

715
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: the fact that he was on Oklahoma State kind of

716
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: the other thing. I'll say this, and I noticed this

717
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: one I've watched him. He's a lot better adapted to

718
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: the pro game. Like, I just think that he's a

719
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: lot better adapted when he's surrounded by people that are

720
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: actually competent instead of children that don't know how to shoot. Like,

721
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: there's just like a lot there's a big drop off

722
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: here and stuck. He hates it when I talk about

723
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: college basketball this way, but I will continue to do so.

724
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: But like I think when I just I think, when

725
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: Kate Cunningham is surrounded by actual NBA talent professionals, that

726
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: he will be really good. And so I will take

727
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: Kay Cunningham.

728
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: What's his comp for Like people like me who just

729
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: I literally don't watch college basketball. I can't take it

730
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: like I can't take to drop off in athleticism and

731
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: smarts and it's just not a good game to me.

732
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: So what's his comp like?

733
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 5: So I would say his comp the ones that I've

734
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 5: heard the most, and I wrote an article Cool for

735
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 5: Action on him before the March Madness tournament started. So

736
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: I would say you're either hearing Ben Simmons with a jumper,

737
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: except obviously not defensive Player of the Year Ben Simmons,

738
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: but similar sort of style, or Luka Doncic, Like if

739
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: you're getting the upside, you're looking at a big playmaker

740
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 5: engine of an offense sort of guy. That's that's what

741
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 5: you're hoping you're getting from Kid Cunningham.

742
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler is a is a comp that I've heard

743
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: made that I think is probably worth like at least

744
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: a little bit of explanation, but they're there. He just

745
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: a lot of it with him. Rahim is just like

746
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: he brings this entire array of skills to the table,

747
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: Like we don't know what he's going to be in

748
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: the NBA, and that's like the concern is like what

749
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: if he's just really good at everything and not great

750
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: at anything, Like that's the concern with Cade, but I

751
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: think he'll be awesome, have lots of things.

752
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: So does he Does he have Jimmy's dog or is

753
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: just like his style playing?

754
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: I think he's He's not. He doesn't have Jimmy's Dog.

755
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: I would say that he has like I think he's

756
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: got the body and he's got the skill set. But

757
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: I will say this too, like a lot of guys

758
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: don't come out of college with the kind of defensive

759
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: mindset and then they get it the pros, So like

760
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: locked away and see what happens. But I'm absolutely like,

761
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm sky high on kid.

762
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

763
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 5: For me, I think if I actually had to put

764
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: money on it, I think this is the spot to

765
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 5: go with with Raheem's fade humanity rule and just go

766
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: with none of the above, because we got three young

767
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 5: guys that we haven't seen play anywhere near an MVP

768
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 5: level yet the odds are that they're not going to.

769
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: That's just how this works in the draft and with

770
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: the young guys. But if I had to pick one

771
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 5: of the players, I to me my concern with Kaid

772
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 5: Cunningham as like a draft analyst. If you made me say,

773
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 5: is he going to win an NBA title? I don't

774
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 5: feel great about that. To me, Kate, I think is

775
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: going to be an awesome floor raiser. I think he's

776
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 5: going to fill it up the box score's he going

777
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 5: to score. He's going to get like seven eight rebounds

778
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: a game because he's big. He's a great elite passer

779
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 5: who's going to actually be able to pass in the

780
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: NBA when there are shooters in spacing. So like, it's

781
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 5: very easy for me to see him suddenly putting up

782
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 5: like twenty three points a game, eight rebounds, eight assests,

783
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 5: and he starts doing that, we already know that's gonna

784
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 5: get you on MVP ballots. Like that's gonna get you

785
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: whether you're Russell Westbrook or Lebron or Jokic. If you

786
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: if you're getting those kind of numbers day in day out,

787
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: people are gonna notice. You're gonna make the All Star team.

788
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: You're gonna catch attention.

789
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

790
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: I'm still debating Cade versus Evan Mobley on my draft

791
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 5: board because I think Mobiley is the more Anthony Davis type.

792
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: I think he's a ceiling Razor Championship Razor caliber player,

793
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: So I think that's I might rather have that player

794
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 5: long term as a draft guy, but I think Cunningham

795
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: that doesn't matter for regular season MVP. That's what we've

796
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: been talking about all year. I think Cunningham could get that,

797
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: even if he's not quite that championship caliber player. But

798
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 5: one last one here to wrap this, uh, we're we're

799
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: looking at the crystal ball eternally into the future career

800
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: rankings here between Luka Doncic and Zion and Williamson combined

801
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: the career MVPs and championship rings Luka Doncic minus one

802
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 5: point five or Zion and Williamson get the whole rest

803
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: of the careers going forward. They're obviously both that zero

804
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: right now. So we're him who's signing with here.

805
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: I think you gotta go Luca for one of Luca's

806
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: a ball handlers, so it kind of makes it easier

807
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: his styles a little bit more easier to grass. But

808
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: also I think Zion has the injury history. You know,

809
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: he he hasn't been able to consistently stay healthy other

810
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: than this season, and you've got to worry about that

811
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: with a big his size. So I think it's it's

812
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: a pretty easy decision for me.

813
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: I want to believe, I want to believe I will

814
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: go Luca. I don't necessarily want to. I feel like

815
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: there's a good chance that it winds up being within

816
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: the spread right where Zion gets just within. But the

817
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: injury thing is just too real, like Raheem's right, Like

818
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: there's just too much of an injury concern. Zion is

819
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: so explosive at that size, and it simply does not

820
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: make sense to anybody I've talked to that he's going

821
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: to be able to sustain that. How is his game adapt? Right,

822
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: as he gets older and he gets more injuries, how

823
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: does his game adapt? And I don't know if it

824
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: can versus Luca can adapt forever. Luca's only going to

825
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: gets smarter and craftier and will probably shoot better. He's

826
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: already had stretches of shooting well not sustainable enough. By

827
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: the way, thanks for killing my over three and a

828
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: half dreams as of late, Luca. But in general, like

829
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think Luca's probably got to

830
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: be the safe bet. I will say this, like it

831
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: this way, there's a better chance that Zion, Like if

832
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: it was just rings, I think Zion might have a

833
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: better chance because he'll probably get traded from New Orleans

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: by like at some point, although this is this five

835
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: years or is entire career. Yeah, So I mean he's

836
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: gonna get traded. As much as I hate, I think

837
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: that sucks because I love New Orleans and wish that

838
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 3: it was a viable NBA city and could sustain things.

839
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: But like, he's gonna sign that rookie extension and then

840
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna get traded and versus like Luca will be

841
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 3: in Dallas' entire career, and Dallas has had a really

842
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: hard time getting free agents, like they haven't been able

843
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: to add those star teams despite Cuban's best efforts. So

844
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: I kind of lean towards Zion on the titles, but

845
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: combined with the injury risk, I gotta go Luca.

846
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one is really close for me.

847
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: As you guys were talking, I was preparing to make

848
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: the Zion case here, and I think there is a

849
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: case for it. I think in part of the case

850
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: is he literally could stop playing basketball forever right now.

851
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: And Luca still has to win at least two MVPs

852
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 5: or rings, which is not a given. Like in order

853
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: to win this bet, he has to at least win

854
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: multiple m vps or at least one ring, and like,

855
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 5: who do we compare Luca to all the time James Harden,

856
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: who is the one guy that we always say is

857
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: not going to win a ring because his style is

858
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 5: not conducive to the playoffs. And not that I agree

859
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: with that. I think he can and will. I think

860
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: Luca can and will. But you know, like it's no

861
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 5: small thing to just assume that Doncic has to get

862
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: at least two of these. Zion's injury risk clearly is higher,

863
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: but no player is just a given to stick around.

864
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: But I do believe in Luca.

865
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Speaker 5: I do think, like I just said, I think he's

866
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Speaker 5: gonna I think he's a multi MVP winner. I think

867
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: Zion's number here until we see otherwise. I do think

868
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: he's gonna win an MVP. I was shocked I wrote

869
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 5: about the MVP race last week. I honestly think Zion

870
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 5: is pretty close to my top ten MVP right now

871
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 5: this year as like a sixty five ivery seventy game

872
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 5: player into his career, guy like he's been that good already,

873
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: and and if he's already like he's going to open

874
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 5: next season when we start the new year, he's gonna

875
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: be like a top five candidate. He's gonna he's gonna

876
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 5: be not this year's Luca because the Pelicans aren't good

877
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 5: enough yet, but he's like a year away from that,

878
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: and he's gonna get the hype. People love him. He's

879
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: gonna get the votes at some point. I have to

880
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: take doncic here, just because I think I think his ceiling,

881
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 5: his ceiling is the roof, like it's it's it's anything.

882
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: It could be any number here, Like if you could

883
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: put up a number that said, like Luca, m vps

884
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 5: and rings, and there was like a minus three point

885
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 5: five and a minus five point five, and I would

886
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: be looking like, what what's the juice on these? Like

887
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: what are my odds? And I might actually be thinking

888
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889
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,640
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890
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: are still just beginning to watch unfold here.

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Speaker 3: back to the future.

913
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Speaker 2: Back to the future better.

914
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: This is our segment where we talk about the best

915
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Speaker 3: that we wish that we've made in the past, or

916
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: Brandon Tout's completely insane ideas like betting Joe Ingles to

917
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: win six Man of the year, Brandon, do you have

918
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: a back in the future for this week Yeah?

919
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 4: I do.

920
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 5: Mine is is a back to the like the weekend,

921
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 5: but it's gone now. I was looking at it. This

922
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 5: is back to our MVP conversation. We've been here, we've

923
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 5: talked about it. I agree. I feel like if the

924
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: season ended right now, Jokic would win the MVP. I

925
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 5: think he clearly is the MVP, he has been for months.

926
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 5: I also agree that the voters would begrudgingly give it

927
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: to him. So as a gambling man, I'm still looking

928
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: for who else could the voters talk themselves into. I

929
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: think it's not Lebron. I don't trust him to come back.

930
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 5: This weekend, I was eyeballing Joel Embiid at plus eight

931
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: hundred MVP, thinking, like, man, they say he's coming back now,

932
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 5: We've got like a whole month plus of the season

933
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 5: and people love him that. People love to throw out

934
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 5: the argument of like, well, they're basically almost equal offensively,

935
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: and we know him beat is way better defensively, so

936
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 5: that's an easy tie break. I don't buy it. Like

937
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: Embiad has been great. If he played all season, he

938
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: would be a very clear and deserving number two for me.

939
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: But I don't think that the voters see it that way.

940
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: I think that they see on the court, you'll get

941
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 5: you an embid pretty neck and neck, and I think

942
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: that they would love an excuse to give it to Embiid. Unfortunately,

943
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 5: he had a big game last night against the Celtics.

944
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 5: Because it's the Celtics. Ben Simmons remains lifetime undefeated against

945
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 5: Kemba Walker. It's like fourteen to no now, I think,

946
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 5: and he put up thirty five points. He's already down

947
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: to plus four hundred at BAMGM, So I don't love

948
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: the odds anymore. I kind of wish I had had

949
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 5: laid the plus eight hundred over the weekend. So that's

950
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: my back to the future this week.

951
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: Or him we got on this week?

952
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely have one. I like the Indiana pace,

953
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: so's not to make the playoffs plus two ten. You

954
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: know they're dealing with Andrey Bug right now. Miles Turner

955
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: is out obviously for tonight. Some Bonus is banged up,

956
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: rocked and is banged up. But I mean when you

957
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: look at this team, they're just eighteen for offensive ficiency.

958
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean they fired Nick m McMillan. They brought in

959
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: york In. The offense really hasn't improved. He's supposed to

960
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: make this offense were modern. Meanwhile, this team has only

961
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: taken nineteen percent the field goal to tenhs from behind

962
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: the art. They're not a good three point shooting team.

963
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: This team offensively, they're just a mess. And I mean defensively,

964
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: even with Miles Turner, they're still just in the middle

965
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: of the pack. And I think, you know, they're the

966
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: one and a half games behind the Knicks for them AC,

967
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: I think, you know, the Bulls could possibly pass them.

968
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't see this team making the playoffs, so I

969
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 2: think at plus two ten there's some value.

970
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: I only didn't go with you there. I still think

971
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: I feel like Indiana is still like they played. I

972
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe they are. They played so well at

973
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: first and they've fallen off. They played they played more

974
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: games badly than they've played well. I hear that. I

975
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: just they're so talented, like they've had a lot of

976
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: they've had a lot of injury issues like.

977
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: They've had That's my point. It's just like I don't

978
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: think the injuries in issues are going to stop at

979
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: this point. Well, Okay.

980
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: Here's part of it though, is like guys aren't gonna

981
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: guys aren't gonna play through stuff in the regular season

982
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: format until they have to, right, Like if it if

983
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: it gets late in the year and it's like you

984
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: gotta win like four your next five, like they'll probably

985
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: they'll all play and they'll rattle it off. I don't know.

986
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: I'm not with you on that, Like, especially when we

987
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: look at like who's who's gonna take their spot?

988
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean right now, I mean, we got we got

989
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: Boston in the AFC, we got the Nickson the seven seed,

990
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: we got the Hornets in the sixth seed. So you're

991
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: basically saying that they're going to pass one of those

992
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: teams and they're already there are two games behind.

993
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they don't. They don't have to be

994
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 3: in the plan.

995
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: But y'all just told me that the Bulls were putting

996
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: it together.

997
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: I did not tell you that. I have never said

998
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 4: that sentence that we just.

999
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: Had this conversation earlier. You may just tell me that

1000
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: the Bulls were putting it together.

1001
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: But look, look, look, I mean look here, let's imagine this.

1002
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: Because you think the Bulls are terrible, what if the

1003
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: Raptors get in. Would you want pacers or raptors?

1004
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: I want I want the Raptors. Oh my, still over

1005
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: the pace over the Pacers. Yes, the Raptors have dominated

1006
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: the Pacers.

1007
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so if you don't think the Bulls are good,

1008
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: then let's let's move them past the Bulls. Let's say

1009
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: they win the nine to ten do you Let's say

1010
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: let's say the Celtics beat the.

1011
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: Knicks, So now they want to or the Hornets.

1012
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: Do you want to take the Knicks versus the Pacers?

1013
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: Do you want? Do you want to take the Knicks?

1014
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: Rahiem At this point.

1015
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: I would take the Knicks. As crazy as it sounds,

1016
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: I would totally take the Knicks.

1017
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with mad on this one. When you lay

1018
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 5: it all out like that, there's just snow. I can't

1019
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 5: talk myself into the Pacers losing to the Hornets or

1020
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 5: the Knickerbockers.

1021
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: Might not even get there. Like I mean, there're two

1022
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: there are two games behind the Celtics right now, so

1023
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: they might not even.

1024
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: They only have to be the Tennessee to make the plan.

1025
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're four. They're four up on the Raptors

1026
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: for the play in four. They're four up in the

1027
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: lost column on Toronto who just got brand by the

1028
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: Lakers without Lebron and A D and Drummond. Thank you, Brandon,

1029
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: thank you for that.

1030
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: I like the Lakers last night, So I just I'm

1031
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: a little biased there, but I just I see this

1032
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: Indiana team slipping the night, and like, I like Minnesota

1033
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: to beat them out right tonight. It wouldn't surprise me

1034
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: if Indiana dropped. They got they got the Magic, they

1035
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: got the Grizzlies, they got the Clippers.

1036
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: I will say, there's easily losing TJ. Warren for the

1037
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: year was big.

1038
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they could lose three out of the next four. Yeah.

1039
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: But I mean, I will just say this, We're we're

1040
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: in that dangerous period where it's like, but the playoffs

1041
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: are coming and there's still a ways away. Like you

1042
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 3: can have you can play badly basically for the next

1043
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: fifteen days. You just have to play well that last month.

1044
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: If you can play well that last month, you're fine.

1045
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: You'll get back into it.

1046
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 2: Like you know what, Like you might have just talked

1047
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: me into like taking the balls to make the playoffs.

1048
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: There we go, What have I done?

1049
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: There we go?

1050
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: Let's go Bull's nation.

1051
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: I don't like this plastiss team at all. Hashtags he

1052
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: read mine is Julius Randall for most.

1053
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Improved Julius Randall.

1054
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: He's now the favorite of a lot of books. I

1055
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: don't know why we didn't take him earlier. We really

1056
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: talked ourselves into like it being Jeremy Grant. Randall was

1057
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: putting up like historic numbers and we overestimated like we

1058
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: really did. In fact, I just I think we kind

1059
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: of thought like, well, well, you know what if the

1060
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: Knicks fall off again like they always do, instead of

1061
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: being like, well, the peisons are going to be horrible.

1062
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: So I feel like Julius Randall's has got a leg

1063
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: up on him. Feel like everyone's gonna like the book

1064
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: is really out on Jeremy Grant in terms of the

1065
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: room and like, okay, cool, he's putting up numbers like

1066
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: last night was I think a great example of this.

1067
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: He left the Nuggets. He goes to Detroit, he has

1068
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: his massive first half and his team gets absolutely blasted

1069
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: off the face of the planet. While Aaron Gordon is smiling,

1070
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: playing twenty minutes and like shooting four times and it's

1071
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: just like, don't care, We're running everybody don't even don't

1072
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: even care. So yeah, like I kind of wish I

1073
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: got in on that. I do want to I want

1074
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: to bring this he has attention. Let's talk about this,

1075
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: Requick LaMelo Ball is still plus two hundred to win

1076
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year. We're gritting two to one. Now

1077
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: we get two to one on the player that everyone

1078
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: agrees it is the best player in this class, like

1079
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: by a why margin? He is the best player in

1080
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: this class. Tell me why I'm not betting this, like

1081
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: I've already bet it. Tell me why I'm not betting

1082
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: more on it?

1083
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 5: Tell me why, Brandon, I just I just don't think

1084
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 5: it's enough, and it's it's not enough numbers. It's not

1085
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 5: enough recency and voters are stupid. They vote on numbers

1086
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 5: in a recency bias.

1087
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 4: We know this week.

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00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: Look, push I'll push back on this. I don't voters

1089
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: used to be stupid. I don't think voters are stupid now.

1090
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: I think that there are. I think that there are.

1091
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: There are definitely voters that are more susceptible to those

1092
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: because they don't think through them. But there's enough voters

1093
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: that go, like, wait, am I just like taking this

1094
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: too recency, Like there are a lot of guys that

1095
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: are involved in the MVV and women that are involved

1096
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 3: in the MVV, MVP like these awards conversations that listen

1097
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: to all these conversations about recency bias, that listen to

1098
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: all these conversations about the advanced metrics, Like I don't

1099
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: agree that the voters are uniformly stupid. I think some

1100
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: voters are who I will not list on this, Okay,

1101
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: but I don't think in general you can just flat

1102
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: out say broadly that they are that they are stupid.

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 5: Okay, So so let me run it back. Stupid is

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00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 5: the wrong word. Voters are human, and humans are prone

1105
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 5: two recency buyas. Humans are prone to numbers biased. We've

1106
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 5: seen that play out over and over. Voters are not stupid.

1107
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 5: Voters are making their choices the way they are. I

1108
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 5: just think at the end, Anthony Davis or Anthony Edwards

1109
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 5: is going to keep putting up huge numbers that don't matter,

1110
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: and especially Malik Beasley is out now, so we know

1111
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 5: that Edwards is going to keep just hoisting a zillion

1112
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 5: shots every night. He's actually improving, he's playing well like

1113
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 5: for a rookie. He's playing pretty well. He's getting a

1114
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: lot of good, good vibes coming out of Minnesota about

1115
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 5: Edwards as not Wiggins and a guy that the team

1116
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 5: is like genuinely really excited about. And it's just gonna

1117
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 5: be hard, I think, to overcome that momentum of a

1118
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 5: guy posting numbers twenty five points night after night after

1119
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 5: night while the other guy sits on the sidelines and watches,

1120
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 5: And I just think, I don't know LaMelo just we

1121
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: did this a few years ago. Joel Embiid was like

1122
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 5: the runaway rookie of the year and played thirty one games,

1123
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 5: and it is LaMelo played like how many more than that?

1124
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 5: And I realize the season's a little shorter. But if

1125
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 5: we didn't give it to him Beat for thirty one games,

1126
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 5: I think voters are going to think of that way too, Like, well,

1127
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: if I dodn't vote for him Beat at thirty one,

1128
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 5: how can I vote for LaMelo?

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: Em Beat is way better than LaMelo. I just I

1130
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 4: can't get there with a He's.

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00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: Played forty one games out of seventy two game season,

1132
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: Like that's a major differential between thirty one and eighty two.

1133
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: It is it is he might, he might comp back

1134
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: and he might come back and play more.

1135
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: If he comes back, then I will would open that the.

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: Values gone then the minute the minute they announced that

1137
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 3: he's come of the like is as soon as the

1138
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: Hornet's put out on the injury report, LaMelo Ball is

1139
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: questionable for Friday's game versus whoever, as soon as he's upgraded,

1140
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: those numbers are going.

1141
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: But isn't that still three weeks five weeks away?

1142
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 5: And in the meantime the odds will continue to swing

1143
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 5: toward ads or his favor Like even if you even

1144
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: if you like that argument for LaMelo, isn't he gonna

1145
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: be at plus two to fifty two weeks from now

1146
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 5: or plus three hundred as Edwards keeps getting numbers and

1147
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 5: Ball keeps not playing.

1148
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, because didn't he drop even more? Wasn't

1149
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: even longer after the initial injury? I feel like he was.

1150
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: I feel like LaMelo's injury of Mellow's odds dropped pretty

1151
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: big and we're at plus two ten at the MGM,

1152
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: the official odds promoder for the Action Network. By the way,

1153
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: it's tough, all right, last that seestionion, Uh, thanks for nothing.

1154
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Good teams win and great teams cover put some teams

1155
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: do neither. This is thanks for nothing, and it's night.

1156
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: It's too night.

1157
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: We really joh.

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00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: Uh and mine this week goes to the Los Angeles Clippers.

1159
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Mitchell. That Mitchell a producer, just I have

1160
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: to this got team, this got team, the Clippers. How

1161
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 3: do you win this game so comfortably versus the Blazers

1162
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: that you don't beat him in the second quarter?

1163
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthey was.

1164
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: A minus nineteen in the game, and say he plays

1165
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: most of his bits in the second quarter and they

1166
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 3: stilted with a quarter?

1167
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: How? How?

1168
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: How this is the time of year when all these

1169
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: like literally, guys, I'm on this role where I'm betting

1170
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: trends that have been solid the entire year in choice

1171
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: spots versus very key teams that are good in the

1172
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: spots that the other team sucks at. And I'm still

1173
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: getting caught and I'm really really irritated. Thanks for nothing,

1174
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Clippers. They've been so I want to talk

1175
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: broadly about this. Why are the Clippers so frustrating in

1176
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: terms of we all have this guy of perception of them,

1177
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: like bream, are you with.

1178
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Me on this?

1179
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: That the Clippers are the most frustrating team to bet.

1180
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, They're highly dependent on shooting. So

1181
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: it's just like they don't have a game where they're

1182
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: making all the threes, they're passing the ball, the offense

1183
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: is a stagnant and then they'll have other games to

1184
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: where Paul George is just playing like he was in

1185
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: a bubble. The offense is stagnant, him and Kohir moving

1186
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: the pall. Nobody can hit a three or you know

1187
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: they're winning a game down the stretch, and an offense

1188
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: is stagnant, They're very frustrating, like they just you never

1189
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: know when they're going to show up.

1190
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 5: I'll say too, from a prop standpoint, I'm trying to

1191
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 5: think about this. I might not have played a Clippers

1192
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 5: prop this season, Like if anything, I might have think

1193
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 5: I got like a zoobox rebounding over or something. But

1194
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 5: every time I get to that team and I pull

1195
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: up on the list on the Props Tool, and first

1196
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 5: of all, they're never rated high because the props tool

1197
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 5: knows too. The Props tool knows that the Clippers are

1198
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 5: unpredictable and have no idea what's going to happen. And

1199
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 5: I look and I see Kawhi Totles and Paul George Totals, Like,

1200
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 5: the only way I would play one is if it's

1201
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 5: like Terrence Man taking an over because everyone else is

1202
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 5: sitting out. Great, I'm happy to support Terrence Man, but

1203
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 5: I see everyone else, I'm like, no, thank you, I

1204
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 5: have no idea what's coming on here, and I just

1205
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 5: get rid of them, all right.

1206
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: This guy ref the Action Network NBA podcast. Thanks for

1207
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: joining us. We really appreciate it. Make sure they stay

1208
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: tuned and check out this week's more. I got one,

1209
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 3: I got you him Steve Kerr, Oh my god.

1210
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: Finally he puts Steph Kurry in in eight minutes in

1211
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and they win a game. But this

1212
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: team has dropped so many games this year because in

1213
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter Kumbaya ker you know, he wants to

1214
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: play everybody. And last week against the Miami Heat, they're

1215
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: down three going into the fourth quarter, he didn't put

1216
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: Steph Curry into their down twelve with six minutes to go.

1217
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: They lose that game. They play the Hawks, they have

1218
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: the league going into the fourth quarter. What does he do?

1219
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: He waits until six minutes left in the fourth quarter,

1220
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: he puts he puts Curry in gable. Finally he learned.

1221
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know who bullied them into playing them playing

1222
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: Curry of four eight minutes last night, but they got

1223
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: to win. I'm so sick of current even.

1224
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: Warriors fans both, which I think is a dangerous proposition.

1225
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see excited to see what their plan

1226
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: is for replacing the coach that led them.

1227
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: To the best. You know what I think, you know

1228
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: what I think Kerr is. He's a great coach, but

1229
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: I feel like he overthinks things and he's not good

1230
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: at finding simple solutions, but he's he's good at finding

1231
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: like more complicated things like I think Mark Jackson is.

1232
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: You know, as much as I wasn't really a big

1233
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: fan of him, he did a good job developing that

1234
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: team and he deserves some credit for that. But I mean, Kerr,

1235
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: you know, obviously he took that team to a championship level.

1236
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: So I just wonder if there's certain coaches who are

1237
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: just better at built and from the ground up, and

1238
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: then other coaches who just you know, can take them

1239
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: to you know, heavenly heights.

1240
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree with that. You on Jackson

1241
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: deserves credit for developing him. He did really well with

1242
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: that team. I'm hopeful that another team gives him the

1243
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: opportunity to build them up so that he gets off

1244
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: the television forever. But I do think that, like I

1245
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: do think he deserves credit for that. I will just say,

1246
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: like I get a little frustrated with the Kerr dialogue

1247
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: because the Warriors fans just make it out the same,

1248
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: like it's just stuff, like that's all it was, and

1249
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: like we're seeing the season like no, like you need

1250
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson and Andrea Gadala and Sean Livingston. You know,

1251
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: he don't need Kevin Durant, but you need Draymond Green

1252
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: and Klay Thompson and Sean Livingston and Andrea Godala, Like

1253
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: you needed all of that and veteran guys in order

1254
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: for that team to be what it was. But at

1255
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: the same time, the Warriors were a first round out

1256
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: versus Los Angeles Clippers in that series in twenty and

1257
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: fifteen or fourteen, and they would have been out in

1258
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: probably like five games had the Balmber or not Balmber.

1259
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: The Sterling scandal broken and Steve Kerr comes in and

1260
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: they literally become a dynasty. Like I just feel like

1261
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: they'd like people need to get off. Steve Kurz.

1262
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I don't want to sound

1263
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: like I'm Mark Jackson apologies because I'm really not a fan.

1264
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean this, this guy had you know, client Steph

1265
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: and they were like twelve in offense. Yeah, so it's

1266
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: like Carr really unleashed Curry. But I just think right

1267
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: now he's just not finding the simple solutions. And either though,

1268
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: I do think there's something to it, because you know,

1269
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: Curry shouldn't have to play forty minutes a game for

1270
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: his team to win. So they're not very good, but

1271
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: there's so many games this year they should have won.

1272
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: Agree on that. All right.

1273
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: That's gonna wrap it up with the Action Network Podcast.

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Make sure to check out the

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 3: Master's preview obviously great betting opportunity this weekend. Make sure

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,280
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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,760
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Speaker 3: Network Podcast NBA Edition.

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Speaker 6: We're finished talking