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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollie and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Back from his day off yesterday, everything taken care of

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Speaker 2: and back in the saddle today for Matt. Absolutely, we

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Speaker 2: want to thank Rob King for stepping in yesterday and

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Speaker 2: filling in as a pinch hitter. Did a nice job there.

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Speaker 2: And I am live here at the Senior Bowl. I'm

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Speaker 2: live at the morning practice session here as the national

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Speaker 2: team is on the field here. And Matt, before we

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Speaker 2: get started here, I did want to wish our condolences

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Speaker 2: to the people who died or in the loved ones

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Speaker 2: condolences to them who died in the plane crash yes

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Speaker 2: or last night in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: Terrible tragedy.

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Speaker 2: We hate to hear that happened, and you especially hate

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Speaker 2: to hear that happen when you're traveling yourself on a day.

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Speaker 2: So I'll be coming back from the Senior Bowl tonight

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Speaker 2: and I'll be back in studio tomorrow. But just a

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Speaker 2: terrible tragedy that happened last night in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really horrible, and I wish you the safest travels

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Speaker 4: and the smoothness of travels. It sounds like there's a

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Speaker 4: big storm coming into Mobile. I remember from my time

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Speaker 4: going down there Thursdays at the small Mobile airport get

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Speaker 4: a little crowded with NFL folks as well. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have a tough time getting out. And more importantly,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this tragedy is just an awful occurrence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible, terrible stuff. But yeah, we'll see, you know

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Speaker 2: if I'm delayed or what happens with that, but hopefully not.

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Speaker 2: I don't really don't want to spend the night at

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Speaker 2: the Mobile. Really, I don't want to spend the night

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Speaker 2: in any airport, but that would not be great. But Matt,

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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, last day of practice here in Mobile

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Speaker 2: at Hancock Whitney Stadium. And if you've get a chance

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Speaker 2: to catch up on everything and get your eyes on

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Speaker 2: the broadcast and everything, what's stood out to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just want to kind of give people

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Speaker 4: a rundown of how this works to some degree. Tuesday's

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Speaker 4: the first practice and all the kids, the players, they

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Speaker 4: come in all amped up and they're trying to meet

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Speaker 4: each other and they're trying to make an impression, but

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Speaker 4: they also don't know one another, and they don't know

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Speaker 4: the protections, and there's mistakes made, and it's kind of

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Speaker 4: an install period. All in all, Wednesday's the best practice

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Speaker 4: that just happened yesterday. I mean, they're fully padded, they

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Speaker 4: kind of know where they're at. It's the most physical

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Speaker 4: practice for sure. And then today you'll see more special teams,

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Speaker 4: you'll see more intellectual stuff. Yeah, you still have the

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Speaker 4: one on ones and all that. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 4: but you don't want to get these guys too banged

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Speaker 4: up for game day. And I think we've mentioned before

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Speaker 4: most of the scouts, most of the NFL people that

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Speaker 4: have just invaded Mobile will leave pretty much right after

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Speaker 4: the second practice today and then they watch the game

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Speaker 4: on TV or more likely all twenty two. There's no

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Speaker 4: reason to stick around all day Friday where they do

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Speaker 4: walkthroughs and things like that. So that's kind of the

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Speaker 4: environment and it goes quick. I mean you think about that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Day one, I'm learning, I'm trying to meet

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Speaker 4: my teammates. Day two, I'm trying to beat the crap

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Speaker 4: out of my teammates. And then day three, I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to still hang on or recover.

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Speaker 3: From my mistakes, you know, yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: You know, we came into this thinking that the defensive

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Speaker 2: line slash edge rushers we're going to be some of

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Speaker 2: the stars here. That's proven to be the case. These

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Speaker 2: guys are very talented, both rosters. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: talent there. Who has stood out for you among that group?

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Speaker 4: Out of which group, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: The defensive line slash edge guys.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of them. This is definitely a great group.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to pull up a list here while

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Speaker 4: we're chatting. I've been trying to focus more on the

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Speaker 4: big people. Darius Alexander is starting to really win me

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Speaker 4: over from Yeah, I talked.

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Speaker 3: To him yesterday. He's, uh, did you he's intriguing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think he'd be more of an end for

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Speaker 4: the Steelers, but I think he's definitely intriguing the nose

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Speaker 4: tackle type that you're looking for. As Joshua Farmer from

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Speaker 4: Florida State, and I didn't realize this until this morning

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Speaker 4: when I was listening to a podcast. He has over

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Speaker 4: thirty five inch arms too.

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Speaker 3: I mean so in massive hands. I shook hands.

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Speaker 2: I talked to him yesterday as well and shook hands

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Speaker 2: with him, and like it was unlike two Catcher's mits.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine big dude as is Alexander. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Alexander's got the classic three four defensive end look to him.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's just got that body type. And Farmer,

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Speaker 2: to me, his body type is kind of Keanu Benton type,

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Speaker 2: you know, so I could see that. I could definite

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Speaker 2: we see the Steelers having some interest in both of

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Speaker 2: those guys. And Farmer did tell me that he is

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Speaker 2: working out with Benton's trainer, the pre draft trainers, So

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Speaker 2: he was very excited when I said, you're you know,

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Speaker 3: He's that's my guy. I'm like, okay, let's go.

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Speaker 4: He may even be nosier than Benton. Yeah, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 4: he really wins with power. Just watch him in these

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Speaker 4: one on ones. It's a constant slow burn of just

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Speaker 4: pushing his enemy backwards, backwards, backwards, time and time again.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of fluff with it, but he

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Speaker 4: gets off the ball. Well, it'd be a real good fit. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 4: Walter Nolan I think is a guy you have to

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Speaker 4: he talks about it. Yeah, I mean, the talent is

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Speaker 4: just dripping off the page. He gets off the ball

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Speaker 4: differently than these guys. I mean he's a first rounder.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even sure if he'll be there

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Speaker 4: doos down here. Your boy Omar Norman Lotte I think

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Speaker 4: a little taller.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he's more squat than I thought.

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Speaker 4: He would be. Yeah, yeah, he a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Actually his body ties more like Larry Ogan Jovi's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just say, more of a three technique,

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Speaker 4: not Gino Atkins, Aaron Donald Shore. Yeah, but still more

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Speaker 4: that style. So I don't know if they'll love him,

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Speaker 4: I mean just for the way they play. And you know, TJ.

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Speaker 4: Sanders is another one that's really in that mold. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he wins with quickness. But he's taller than I thought too.

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Speaker 4: He's a little a little under six four, And speaking

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Speaker 4: do think we have to discuss Ian Walker. We were

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Speaker 4: sure Steeler fans are looking at him, going, he's three

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of inconsistency there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, if he were

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Speaker 2: It's really difficult on the interior to stay low. To me,

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Speaker 2: and I hate to say it like this, but he's

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Speaker 2: he's a more athletic Daniel mccullors.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good comparison.

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Speaker 2: You know, the body types are exactly the same. Now again,

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Speaker 2: I think Dean Walker is way more physically gifted than

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Speaker 2: Daniel mccullor's.

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Speaker 3: Mccullor's was a six round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: But you just have that same issue when you're playing

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Speaker 2: in tier on the interior like that. You know, your

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Speaker 2: first inclination, especially when you start to get tired, is

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Speaker 2: when you're six seven because there's just too much surface

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure he would beat mccullors in a

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Speaker 4: race or the combine all those things. Of course, but

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Speaker 4: he's gonna be a third round pick, not a seventh

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Exactly change directions, you know, like a Ferrari either. But

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah has been highlighting it really well in their coverage.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one out of four or five reps, he

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Speaker 4: comes off the ball low, lookh and just destroys whatsever

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Speaker 4: in front of him, just crushes him. And but then

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Speaker 4: there's three reps in a row where he's high and

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Speaker 4: he's just standing there occupying space, you know, just standing

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Speaker 4: there in the paint basically, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, Yeah, that's that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that when I was watching him, Like when

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Speaker 2: his shoulders are parallel to the ground, m m, he

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Speaker 2: when they stand up and he's I should say, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know if if the shoulders are sticking straight up,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing, he doesn't get any push, no, and he.

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Speaker 4: Stands straight up at least half the reps. And even here,

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Speaker 4: you know where you're not playing an eleven game or

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Speaker 4: eleven play series or something like that. And I found

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Speaker 4: it odd in a little bit of an alarm bell too,

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Speaker 4: that Kentucky didn't really use them as a nose, you know,

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Speaker 4: they kind of use them as a more of a

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Speaker 4: pass rusher type, and I just don't think that's what

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Speaker 4: Steelers are after.

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Speaker 2: No, I almost think he'd have to play end, yeah,

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Speaker 2: defensive end, and you know, he doesn't move well enough

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Speaker 3: I mean, they could me too. They could look at

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Speaker 2: Say there's some tools there that we could work with.

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Speaker 2: And you know, he's still available in the third round,

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Speaker 2: you take him. I don't know, but yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Just say the league doesn't love him and he's floating

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Speaker 4: around the fourth or fifth. Yeah right, Yeah about using

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Speaker 4: a second on him.

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Speaker 2: You know, no, no, no, And you know there was

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Speaker 2: some first round buzz on him going into the season.

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Speaker 3: You know, he did have seven sacks two years ago.

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Speaker 4: So he does have oh yeahsh ability, but that's if

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Speaker 4: you watch his highlight tape, you'll be like, that should

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Speaker 4: be a top ten pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, and that size and that ability, but just

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Speaker 2: get the consistency is not where it needs to be at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had the other tackle types, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Black is kind of interesting too.

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Speaker 3: He is he is a massive human being as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: only get like ten minutes after the practice period to

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Speaker 2: talk to to talk to these guys. And I wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk to Alexander and I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 2: Farmer in particular, and Black was standing there and I

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Speaker 2: started over and the session ran out. Time ran out

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Speaker 2: on the session. I'm like, ah, darn it, because they're

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Speaker 2: on the same roster. They're on this the national team here,

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Speaker 2: but uh yeah, just talented, talented big men all over

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Speaker 2: the place here.

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Speaker 4: There are there are, and I'm sure I'm missing some,

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Speaker 4: but Black certainly occupies a fair amount of space and

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Speaker 4: doesn't have the pad level issue that Walker does.

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Speaker 2: By the way, when we had Bob Labriola on yesterday,

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Speaker 2: he wanted to take you to task.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes he did.

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Speaker 2: Yet he was he was upset that Rob was on

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Speaker 2: and not you because he saw your latest mock draft

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, he's not the answer to all

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Speaker 3: By the way, and I don't know how this is

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Speaker 2: Met you know, when I was talking with Rob yesterday

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Speaker 4: It all comes down to how many snaps is he

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Speaker 2: Right, But he's gonna have some past rush ability, you know,

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Speaker 4: He was doing that a band. But he's a first

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so you're you're you know, your nose in

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Speaker 2: thirty to forty percent of the snaps if he's the starter, right,

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Speaker 4: Snaps his rookie year, right right, exactly didn't play on

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Speaker 2: If I can remember having that conversation with Casey, you know,

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Speaker 4: Me in the field because I'm not gonna yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: too much of force. But the flip side of those

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Speaker 4: And you can also sign an old man nosed cat

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Speaker 4: tackle too. I mean, it's it doesn't have to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I hear you. And that's what that's to me.

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Speaker 2: That's why guys like Alexander, you know, who's maybe a

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Speaker 2: you might you might catch lightning in a bottle again

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Speaker 3: I mean the kid had a Marshall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Quinny on Mitchell last year. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the tough part about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of just Josh Farmer ten and a half inch

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Speaker 4: His and that's how he plays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just saw that as well, and that's rare

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Speaker 3: Just his ability to reach and keep.

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Speaker 2: The double teams off of him a little bit better

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think he exactly fits the

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I do too. I do too. I

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Speaker 2: But anyways, Matt, let's get to a break. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: live at Hancock Whitney Stadium here for the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Matt back in Pittsburgh. We will be back. I'll be

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Speaker 2: back in Pittsburgh tomorrow, so we'll get back to our

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Speaker 3: YouTube as well. But we're gonna get to a break.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 4: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and we are live or

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Speaker 2: I'm live here at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Matt's back in Pittsburgh waiting for me.

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Speaker 4: To get back with anxiously.

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Speaker 2: Yes, uh, Matt one of the guys that has kind

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Speaker 3: And there's some good ones here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a bad group.

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Speaker 2: I've liked what I've seen from Jalen Royals. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Uh he is.

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Speaker 2: He's a good football player. But the other one is

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Speaker 4: No, I thought you were to go that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jack Beck has made maybe it's bet Is okay, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm learning some pronunciations through these guys. Okay, Rob, it's

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Speaker 4: not like Jeff Beck, it's like it's Jack Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he has made maybe the two best catches that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he.

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Speaker 4: Catches it away from his body and yeah, yes, I like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's very intriguing. And I think Cooper Cup when you're

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Speaker 4: He'll mix it up. He does most of his work

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Speaker 4: lot of the quarterbacks taken the easy route with checkdowns

437
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 4: more than you'd like to, you know. I mean, there's

438
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 4: just getting completions and not a lot to take away

439
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 4: from it. My quarterback takes are I'm with you. I'm

440
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 4: really intrigued with the Louisville Kid show. I mean, I

441
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: think I'm pronouncing that one wrong too, But whatever, mil Row, though,

442
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 4: if you're a good evaluator, this is what you expected.

443
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: Like he's a really good deep ball passer. Intermediate to

444
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: short stuff are not his friend at the moment. And

445
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: he's gonna go to the combine and run a four

446
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 4: to three and then his body is gonna eat up again,

447
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 4: you know, like yeah, I mean he looks great. This

448
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 4: is a bad environment for him. It wouldn't shock me though,

449
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 4: if he's Senior Bowl MVP on Saturday and runs for

450
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 4: seventy yards, you know what I mean, The practices are

451
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 4: not his friend and so doesn't mean he stinks, you know,

452
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean he can't complete passes. It's just you

453
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 4: knew what he was coming in and he's proven it.

454
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Speaker 4: The other one is Dylan Gabriel because he's exactly what

455
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 4: he's like, even Steven, I mean I heard I think

456
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 4: it was Todd mcshage talking about it, saying, you can

457
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 4: watch any game of Dylan Gabriel's career and they're pretty

458
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 4: much always the same. They're consistent, ball comes out well.

459
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Speaker 4: But he's shorter, he's a lefty. He's got an OK arm.

460
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: You know, hes a lot of TUA comparisons and the

461
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 4: Miami system and smart and top, but doesn't wow yet.

462
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: You know, he looks like a backup. There is a

463
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: lot of buzz about Jackson Dark though, and the Canadian gap.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, darts yesterday was better for him, and the Canadian

465
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Speaker 2: kid is intriguing. I mean, he's got it. He's got

466
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Speaker 2: a really good arm. Yeah, you know, I talked to

467
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: him on the first day down here and he was

468
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: talking by just the transition from you know, the Canadian

469
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Speaker 2: game to this one. Let alone, you know, hit the

470
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Speaker 2: step up in competition, you know, so and you know

471
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: the speed of the game and things of those nature.

472
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Speaker 2: They don't and I don't know the exact rules of

473
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Speaker 2: Canadian college football.

474
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Speaker 4: Well let me fill you in a little bit. Okay ahead,

475
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 4: you talk, you talk about a transition. Like all these

476
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: dudes have a especially the quarterbacks have a tough Tuesday

477
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: for sure, you know, like they're just getting there. They

478
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 4: have to be in charge of the huddle. They've never

479
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Speaker 4: thrown to these receivers ever. But this guy, the ball

480
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 4: is much different. I didn't know that. It's much rounder.

481
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: All these guys that are dealing with an NFL ball,

482
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Speaker 4: so that I mean, it's not like baseball, where a

483
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: baseball is the same or a hockey suck's the same,

484
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Speaker 4: you know, So they're all dealing with a new ball,

485
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Speaker 4: but he's dealing with a much different, you know, even

486
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Speaker 4: more of a challenge just in terms of the ball. Now.

487
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Speaker 4: The other thing is the fields in Canada are ten

488
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Speaker 4: yards wider, give or take. I don't know exactly down

489
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Speaker 4: to the centem the hash marks are different. Yeah, so

490
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: he's forced to throw wider out and things like that,

491
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: and he's got the arm to do it. I mean,

492
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: that's kind of one of the reasons he's excelled up there.

493
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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, they play with twelve dudes,

494
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Speaker 4: so he's reading the defense going I'm missing the guy.

495
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's a pretty big transition.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And again he hasn't he hasn't looked

497
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Speaker 2: out of place. You know, he's and he's got some

498
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Speaker 2: classic size and I talked to him.

499
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Speaker 3: He's he's a confident kid.

500
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Speaker 2: There's there's some there's definitely some things there to like

501
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: and you know, be interested to see, you know, how

502
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: well he he tested the combine and you know, you're

503
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Speaker 2: not going to use a high, high draft pick on

504
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: him probably, but that's that's why for sure.

505
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Speaker 4: You know, I mean a year of inactivity basically, but

506
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 4: there's tools there. I'd love to see him in La Trobe,

507
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 4: you know.

508
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like he's never played the game before.

509
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: It's just a different kind of game exactly. It's just

510
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: a different version of the same game, right.

511
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

512
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, but he's a prospect.

513
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 2: You can throw the football, you can throw the football,

514
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, I'll be interested to see how

515
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: he does in the game. But you know, there's there's

516
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 2: definitely some talent there. Yeah, it's it's it's it's an

517
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: intriguing group. It's it's an interesting group. You know, teams

518
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: are gonna like these guys differently, just depending on what

519
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: you want to do.

520
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, we'll see how he's the one

521
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: that's getting the most buzz. Yeah, you know, firming himself

522
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 4: up is a pretty high pitch.

523
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially the most of the guy. The third guy taken,

524
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: and he looks the part. I mean, he's almost six

525
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: to two, he's two hundred and twenty six pounds. He's

526
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, I've been I talked to him on Monday

527
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: or Tuesday as well, you know, just h he was

528
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: one of the guys that the ball was on the

529
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: ground a lot on h on the first day of practice.

530
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: New guys playing center and you know, new quarterbacks who

531
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: hadn't been under center. Well that didn't happen as much yesterday,

532
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: I think, And I only saw really one one fumbled

533
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: center exchange yesterday, So much better there in terms of that.

534
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: So you know, it does show you that these guys

535
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: can progress through this stuff as they learn how to

536
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: do this. And again you're you know, for some of

537
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: these guys, you know.

538
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: For.

539
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: Especially particularly Dart, they get the call from the sideline,

540
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: you know, and yes, everybody's looking over there. And now

541
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: now he's got to step into the hall. He's got

542
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: to get the play, step into the huddle and relay

543
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: it to the rest of the offense that way. And

544
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: that's a transition for some of these guys. But apparently

545
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: he's picked up that pretty well too.

546
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we mentioned this on Tuesday. A lot of

547
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: these guys have never been behind center, you know. Some

548
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: of them haven't really huddled, you know. I mean like

549
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: there's a lot of new stuff. But yeah, they've practiced

550
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: it with their quarterback coaches or whatever. I don't know

551
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: if you've got this impression, but a lot of people

552
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: have said Dart is a very even keeled, calm, yet

553
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 4: competitive guy. I don't know if that came across he

554
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: chatted with him or not.

555
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's got some of that to him

556
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: at the running back position.

557
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: Met real quick. I want to go back to the

558
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 4: Louisville dude Shall because his story's pretty interesting too. He

559
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: was a massive recruit, which I think you could understand.

560
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: He's almost six y five, two hundred and twenty five pounds,

561
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: big arm, good good mobility, and he goes to Oregon

562
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 4: and is like the obvious heir apparent to Justin Herbert.

563
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how long ago he's enrolled in. He

564
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: said he's twenty and twenty five, but he's twenty five. Yeah, yeah,

565
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: I don't either. I don't either, And so I guess

566
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: that that coaching staff he didn't live up to the billing.

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: It was not the next Justin Herbert, needless to say,

568
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: transfers to another school, and I forget where it was.

569
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 4: Was there for two years, and then he goes to

570
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: Louisville and kind of finds himself a little bit later,

571
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: kind of a late bloomer. But he has four degrees. Hey,

572
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: I've got in college.

573
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Speaker 3: It's probably the better to do it in the way

574
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: you and I did.

575
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 4: It, right, right. Yeah, I mean he got more out

576
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: of his six years that I did. That's for sure.

577
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: You got four degrees.

578
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But he's it. I like some of it. I could.

579
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: I could tell.

580
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: You can tell with some of these guys they have

581
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: the baseball background just from some of the off platform

582
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: throws that they've been able to make. You know, guys

583
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: throwing on the move or or side arming on the move.

584
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: It looks like, you know, throwing like a shortstop just

585
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: to get the different arm angle in there and and

586
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: make sure the ball is delivered. So you see some

587
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: of that here, and that stands out to me real quick.

588
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: About the running backs, Matt Yeah, liked Damian Martinez out

589
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: of Miami just look good. He is a five to

590
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: eleven they show him here, a two hundred and twenty

591
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: six pounds. He's a good put The well put together

592
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: running back Devin Neil out of Kansas looks really good

593
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: as well. You know, you see some of these these guys.

594
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: I like the kid out of Auburn as well, but

595
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: he's a little bit jark West Hunter. Yeah, he's more

596
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: of a bowling ball type guy too, at five to nine,

597
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: two hundred and twelve pounds.

598
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: So there's there's some talent there as well. Uh.

599
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: And some of these guys, you know, they're going to

600
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: get into the game and it's gonna be a little

601
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: bit different. Some of the pass catchers. I know, you're

602
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: not a Donovan Edwards fan.

603
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: He's a good receiver though.

604
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 2: He is a good heat broke somebody's ankle yesterday, Yeah,

605
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: receiving throw just left him laying on the ground and

606
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: the whole the whole stadium went ooh yeah, I saw it,

607
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: and then I saw Mike tom Win chatting him up

608
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: after that.

609
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Speaker 4: He's a really good athlete. I just don't love his

610
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: between the tackle vision and power, but in that kind

611
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: of environment he definitely stands out. Some of my running

612
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: back notes, Martinez was just described as kind of a

613
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: Jordan Howard type, you know, really hard to get on

614
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: the ground, zone runner, not much of a receiver, but

615
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: he's done some good things and mobile catching the ball,

616
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: so I think that's encouraging. You mentioned Neil. He's pretty

617
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: easy to like you and he's been really productive. He's got

618
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: really good feet for a big guy, too, good acceleration.

619
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Speaker 4: You know this this Brashard Smith from SMU is another

620
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: really good receiver. Maybe he's a returner, I mean he's not.

621
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Speaker 4: The Steelers answer. He's a smaller guy. Yeah he does.

622
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: He does. Harvey was always been cracked up to be.

623
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: He's shorter, he's under five eight, you know, but I'm

624
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: just Olie Gordon kind of looks like a linebacker or

625
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: a defensive end. I mean, he is a rocked up dude.

626
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: And I think Trevor at M is a pretty darn

627
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: good player too, but probably smaller than what the Steelers

628
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: are after.

629
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Speaker 3: Yeah, five eight and a half, two oh two he does,

630
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: he does a lot of stuff.

631
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, it's just I think they prefer

632
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: the bigger type.

633
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: Running backs, you know, and there'll be a bunch of them.

634
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

635
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, let's get through a break again, Matt before

636
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Speaker 2: we finish up our number one here on the Drive,

637
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: he is Matt Williamson.

638
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to.

639
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Speaker 2: The Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and

640
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: I'll be back with more right after this.

641
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

642
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

643
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Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

644
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly.

645
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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

646
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: here on the Steelers Audio Network. And I am here

647
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. A little overcast today,

648
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: is a rain cloud start to move in. It's supposed

649
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Speaker 2: to hit here later on tonight, maybe overnight, and then

650
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Speaker 2: tomorrow could be really nasty apparently what they're getting out

651
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Speaker 2: west of this area right now. Some tornado warnings and

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Speaker 2: things of that nature. So maybe I'm getting out of

653
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Speaker 2: here just in time, Matt. Some of the players have

654
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: gotten out of here after the first couple of days

655
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Speaker 2: of practice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And unfortunately that tends to happen every week. Or

657
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: you know, someone has a really good first day and

658
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: they're like, I kind of I'll kick my coverage. I'm

659
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: just going to hang it up. Or I know, the

660
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: one offensive lineman was ill and didn't practice on Tuesday

661
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: and then I'm going home, And they certainly don't want

662
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: to spread, you know, germs all through the teams that

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00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: are on Membo, right, yeah, Membo, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So some of those guys have pulled up.

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00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 2: That offers somebody else an opportunity to come in, but

666
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: that's going to be really difficult. Like, oh man, those

667
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: guys pull out on Wednesday and you're on a plane

668
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: probably here getting here today and maybe didn't even get

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Speaker 2: a chance to practice, right right.

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Speaker 4: Some of them come from the Shining Game, so at

671
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Speaker 4: least they're kind of in football in the loop, right Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But a lot of them are just I mean, frankly,

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Speaker 4: I've seen some instances where, oh, you're from out Obama

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00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: and you can drive here right now, why don't you

675
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Speaker 4: join us?

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, right right.

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00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: You know you were on Alabama State or whatever. All right,

678
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: get over here. So that is really difficult.

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Speaker 2: One one offensive lineman because some of those are the

680
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: guys are the ones that have left. It's kind of

681
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: an intriguing later round type prospect is Jackson Slater out

682
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: of the Sacramento State. He has an interesting style where

683
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: he just attacks regardless.

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Speaker 3: Of it, just comes right out. He gets he gets

685
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: to the It's I'd love.

686
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: To talk to Wolf about this because it's almost a

687
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: new version of the touch punch.

688
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: Like he gets his hands are so quick.

689
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: He gets to the defender before they even get their

690
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: hands anywhere close to him.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like he's the biggest dude.

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00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: His arms are thirty three inches, but he just gets

693
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: there so quickly that he shocks guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in this environment, you can. It's a little bit

695
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: of a cheat because you could jump set these guys,

696
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: you know where you maybe can't do that in the game.

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00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: But he's good at it, and he's had a really

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00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: good practice, a really good set of practice. I mean,

699
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: hey again, I think I sold this from McShay. I

700
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: was listening to his podcast because he was saying dudes

701
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 4: like this, and I just got a kick out of it.

702
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 4: Is on Tuesday, you know, you're at the bar or

703
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: dinner with your buddy. He's like, Oh, the Sacrament of

704
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: State kid's pretty good, blah blah blah. And then on

705
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: Wednesday he gets a name Jackson's you know Slader. He's

706
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: pretty good, you know, like I actually have to learn

707
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 4: this guy's name. You know, he's a pretty good player.

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00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: I like some of these offensive linemen, you know, the

709
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: mid round guys that the Steelers might grab, not you know,

710
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: for not round one or two.

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00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So you know, it's just a guy

712
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on there. But he's he's kind

713
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: of stood out as a guy that really nobody was

714
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: talking about coming into this process.

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Speaker 4: And he looks like an athletic player. I think that

716
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: he's got a promising future. To the other small school

717
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: guy like a lot too. Is is Carson Vincent from

718
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: Alabama A and M. He's one to tackle though he's

719
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 4: like six seven, Yeah, he was. He was definitely Oh

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00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: you see the Alabama and a M kid, the small

721
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: schools kid or you know the HBC kid. Like now

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: it's oh, Vincent's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's got almost like he's got almost a

724
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: seven foot wingspan.

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, six eleven, six eleven and three quarters.

726
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: If he had a great project tackle for the Steelers.

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thirty arms and and uh yeah just uh,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what Max's wingspan is.

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: It's probably a little bit bigger than that, but not much.

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: Not much, not much. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, but he's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You can actually check out Max's wingspan. I think the

732
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: last time I was at the Steelers at the at

733
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: the museum.

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00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: It was there.

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00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.

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00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: You can check your wingspan out against Max's. And it's

737
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: pretty wild, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, A Gray's Abel has been another guy

740
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: that they've been really good, has looked really good.

741
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: Some people are now thinking he's a center, but he's

742
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: been playing all over the line. I hesitate to say,

743
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: but he's probably been the best offensive lineman there. I mean,

744
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: he rarely gets beat on one on ones against really

745
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: good defensive linemen. So I don't think he'll be a Steelers.

746
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: I think he's going to top fifty now.

747
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I don't know why, why is it?

748
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Speaker 3: Do you think that.

749
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Speaker 2: Those North Dakota South Dakota State guy they never they

750
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: never bust rarely. I don't know what they do up there,

751
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: their offensive line coaches or whatever whatever they're doing. And

752
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: I know they they take guys who are athletes, big athletes,

753
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: and then and then you know, stuff in full of stakes.

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00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's part of it. I mean, like

755
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 4: that back in my recruiting days, I mean, you wanted

756
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: as many like body type guys, you know, like six '

757
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: four and above, a lot of tight ends. Even if

758
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: you brought in four of them, you know, red shirt them,

759
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: keep them in the weight room, feed them lobsters and steaks,

760
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: and sometimes they turn into three techniques or sometimes they

761
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: stay a tight end and just the big, strong guys,

762
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: and some of them turn into tackles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if he's going to be

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Speaker 2: a tackle in the NFL. He's got thirty two in

766
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: a quarter in charms, but you know he can certainly

767
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: play on the offensive line for sure for a lot

768
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: of teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm, No, I mean it's I think he's going

770
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 4: to be a projected starter very early in his career

771
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: and be a high.

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00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: Pick yeah, I do too.

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00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: But that's gonna do it for our number one here

774
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: of the Drive, Matt. Let's take a break here. We'll

775
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: be back with our number two. I am here in Mobile, Alabama,

776
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: at Hancock Whitney Stadium. Matt back in Pittsburgh. We'll be

777
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: rejoined at the hip tomorrow when I get back. I'll

778
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: get back late tonight and we'll do the show back

779
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh tomorrow and maybe do some mock drafts and

780
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: things of that nature. But we'll get to hour number

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Speaker 2: two of the Drive right here on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 2: Network right after this