WEBVTT - Fred Smoot knows DBs and Logan Paulsen disagrees | Command Center: Commute Podcast 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 The views and opinions expressed by our podcast guests are 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.280 their own and do not necessarily reflect the views or 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:15.160 positions of the Washington Commanders or any of their representatives. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.840 This is the Command Center Commute Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.480 This is the Mouth of the South. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.120 Frederick Smooth. I go by Frederick. Now I'd got older. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 It sounds very official, brother. So we're gonna start with 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.400 a weekend wrap up talking about kind of the big 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.640 news of the week, which is Jalen Hurts. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.040 Two hundred and fifty five million. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.479 Do you got that when you played? Though? 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.880 Right, I'm not even close, not even to back money, 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.879 you know, Warner back. You know, that's a different text bracket. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.400 And that's why I got my theories on. I think 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.159 the quarterbacks should have their own salary, own salary. I 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.920 think they should not count against the salary cap because 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.240 they are independent contractors. But I think this is the 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.760 new NFL when it comes to quarterbacks. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.080 And so what do you think about paying him specifically? 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:00.920 You know that team has been built up, I think 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.680 in large part because they've had a cheap quarterback. They've 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.000 had a guy at a rookie deal, and now they 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.120 give them all this money. Now that the contract structure 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.720 is a little bit up and down, it's kind of backloaded. Whatever. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.960 We'll talk about that later. But you know, can they 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.760 be successful not having that supporting cast around them. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.319 I think Philadelphia does this better than anybody. They've paid 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.520 it guys a year earlier, like a year or two. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.160 They do it because think about this two hundred and 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.560 fifty five million. I hate to say this quarter to 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.480 a billion. It'll be cheap in three years. So this 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.360 what they're playing in on. And don't forget Aj Brown 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.120 already locked up Devinte Smith, steel on a rocky country 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.080 and just sign a new running back and they still 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.000 got numerous draft capital So at the end of the day, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.520 they are right where they want to be, in that 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.119 sweet spot. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.440 It does make it a little more challenging, I think, 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.240 because they have to keep kind of their you know, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.000 they have to keep hitting on the draft. You know 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.120 how challenging that is. You know, like it leverages them 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.840 in a different way than they've been leveraged in the past. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.160 You know, before they could go out and say, oh 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.880 let's get Aj Brown, Oh let's play Peylane Johnson. Now 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:57.440 that's a little bit more challenging, right. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.240 It's a little bit moneier. But you got to realize 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.880 last year's Jordan Davis, who will be stepping in and 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.920 starting row right now and knowby Dean. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.280 But they lose Hardgrave, right, this is one of the 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.480 reasons you lose Hargrave, right, And who's who's maybe one 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.440 of the best interior pass rushers in the NFL. Right, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.280 And that's something that I think is again, can you sustain? 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.200 You see, like I go back to the Seattle Seahawks 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.000 when they paid Russell Wilson, that defensive roster got. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.320 It's crazy they started to deteriorate. And I totally understand. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.639 I just think Philadelphi is in a better mode. Like 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.119 we just said, harg Grave leaves, Jordan Davis, the first 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.080 round pick from last year steps in, so tj leaves 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.880 at the middle linebacker n Kobe Dean steps in. These 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.760 are guys that's been in their system for a year. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.960 So I think they the prior planning had stopped poor 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.720 I guess situational planning. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.320 Yeah, And it also feels like doesn't feel like they 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.560 kind of knew they were going to do this, like 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.880 planning that far ahead. You know what I'm saying planning 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.320 that far ahead, and you know they have two first 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.280 round picks this year. I mean, I just the way 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.679 they build a team and the way they build a 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:51.880 roster is just incredible. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.399 I'm jealous because they did start this year saying, we're 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.200 going to see if Jalen Hurts is our quarterback because 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.760 we have a top ten pick and we might draft them. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.840 That's where they set themself up at. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.360 And that's a good process, though, man, Like, that's what 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.760 you want to do, you know, And I think that's 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.399 that's you know, I think Washington can learn a little 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:08.840 bit from that. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.840 Ain't nothing wrong with that. Your enemies and who you 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:11.720 do learn from. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.720 Yeah, I think the other thing I want to touch 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.680 on is just like you know, leading into the draft 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.880 for Washington, you know, you're not been talking a lot 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.320 about DB's You said something absolutely insane to me earlier today, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.120 You're not as high on Witherspoon. The more and more Witherspoon, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.520 the quarterback out of Illinois. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.840 Yes, the more and more I watch him, I'm seeing 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.519 a big guy that can't run, that's very physical. I'm 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.080 all about ball retrieval, I'm all about thieves. I'm all 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.600 about cat Burglars. I'm all about guys getting balls that 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.840 don't belong to them. And if you can't do that 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.880 at a high level in college, I can't expect for 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.880 you to turn the page coming to the league with 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.840 better quarterbacks, better wide receivers, better tight ends, and all 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.760 of a sudden you're gonna become a thief. And then 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.320 think about this, I'm all about, what do my roster 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.000 look like. I have Saint Juice, I have the nullifier 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.840 over there, one guy that's not going to get a 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.800 lot of interceptions, but he will notify wide receiver. The 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.040 other guy has to be a ball retrieval guy. Can 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.000 you get that from the safeties though, Oh, you can't 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:04.920 get that from the safe. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.760 Because when I look at with this one, I see 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.920 a guy who's got great instincts. He understands concepts really well. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.520 He anticipates throws, he anticipates concepts how they're trying to 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.920 take different coverages, plays with great vision. He plays physical, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.920 which is important to me, and so to me, that's 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.920 all good football player, right, And then you're you're just saying, oh, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.480 he doesn't get turnovers. Turnovers are so it's so luck based, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.479 fred right, I mean, there is skill associated. But I'm saying, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.320 like a parent, tell a line. Yeah you stopped that 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.680 right now? Come on, you know I'm telling the truth, Fred, 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.960 because think about Emanuel Forbes. You're your best friend, yeah, 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:36.520 your little brother. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.480 No no, no, no no no, I listen. He earned this 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.080 respect for me. I don't forget. We got cam Danzel 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.160 on this team who was paired up with him, and 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.680 I always feel like full ups with the better guy. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.760 And it's no mistakes when it comes to turnover. Some 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.440 guys just get turnover and some guys don't. And when 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.680 I watch Witherspoon, I said, you know what, let me 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.480 watch him play against the best group of guys. He 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.279 played against Ohio State. These guys eyes. It wasn't a 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.480 great game for me, but it wasn't a bad game 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.880 for him. It's telling me a lot, Like he's telling 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.440 me a lot about who he is and what he is. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.200 But nobody had a good game against the Oule State 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.919 no corner. Really, you know what I'm saying, Like, I 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.400 look at uh DJ Turner out of Michigan right and 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.159 he's the guy Harrison Holy Countary receiver from Mile State. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:19.240 He looks like he. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:24.000 Played against his father, and he's bigger, strong than his father, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.000 So I understand it. So now what happens when you 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.720 see a Marvin Harrison junior every week? 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:31.920 But that's the thing, is there on Marvin Junior Harrison 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.159 in the NFL every week? 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.320 You know, I think, I think every team has a 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.760 legit number one. Think about our team. We have three 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.880 wide receivers that can pretty much beat anybody in this right. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.479 So and then I always tell people this, just because 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.560 the receiver has not developed a name for himself, the 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.279 last dude on your roster can really beat anybody in 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.720 this world when it comes to getting open. And that's 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.920 why I tell when I when I draft cornerbacks, am 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.160 I bringing him into a situation where they could blossom? 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.960 We play a lot of matches on I need people. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.160 It's very very good with the eye. Now, Retherspoon will 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.640 fit in there when it comes to playing understanding concepts 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.920 and reacted to stuff with his eyes. But at the 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.920 end of the day, not the long his arms, not 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.039 the guy with the highest vertical So what is he 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.560 going to do when the smaller receiver started to round 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.520 him up in the bigger receiver store at the body? 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.200 Yeah, you got me off my point anyway, Fred Jesus Man, like, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.320 so we know, you know we were talking about Manuel 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.800 Forbes and turnover luck right, because when you look at 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.559 Emmanuel Forbes, seven interceptions, right, I think four for touchdowns. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:32.200 Four you heard it. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.960 Right, yeah, four for touchdowns. Some of those are tip passes, 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.080 some of those are underthrown balls. Right. He's just kind 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.560 of in the right place at the right time. I 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.960 played with the guy in college who led the FBS 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.039 and interceptions and was not a very good pro and 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.200 everyone he was overdrafted because of the interception luck right, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:47.479 interception luck quote. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:48.520 You don't want to say his name. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.920 I don't remember his name. I'm gonna keep my guy. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.800 I'm gonna keep my guy out of the fire right now. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.599 Talk about this. My guy Fords played real levies, A 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.479 guy that they're trying to push up is the top. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.440 You don't like Will Evis, so don't use him as 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:00.599 an argument. Why you boys? 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.920 But did you see what past he picked off a screenplay? 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.760 This is a bubble screen that my guy saw, responded to, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.760 reacted to, picked off, and took sixty yards. That is 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.400 not a tip ball. That's not this I replays and 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.880 this is what I love by man for what he studies. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.560 He believes he trust itself. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.840 Zone player right, good without the like off vision, off coverage. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.240 But how's the ability to play man? 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.400 No, No, he's a pressman, dow. He's a press man 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.239 at one sixty six. Yeah, of grass blowing the wind, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.560 but they stays wrong, right all I'm telling you like this? No, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.920 come on? Have you seen him? Six 'y two. He 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.800 has a wingspan of a basketball player. He loves. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:39.920 My son weighs more than him. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.280 Bro, Yes, your son does, but we're not taking your 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.440 son in the first round this year. So at the 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.960 end of the day, it doesn't matter. Listen, I told 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.280 you what do I like? Anomaly? I like guys that 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.480 do not fit the mold. And that's why you're a 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.480 love Weatherspoon. He checks all the boxes, six feet tall, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.640 two hundred pounds, look like a football player until it's 0:07:58.640 --> 0:07:59.480 time to play football. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.280 But he he's not old. Fred Fred Fred fred Fred. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.880 He looks like a football player. He plays like a 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.520 football player, And I think that's why I like that 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.440 that quality a little bit more. You mentioned anomalies, right, yeah, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.800 we're talking about Joey Porter Jr. He might be the 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.080 most anomaly guy in the class, the biggest outlier. Right, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.200 he's six 'y to two. Legitimately he's one hundred and 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.920 ninety five pounds, two hundred pounds, big corner, thirty four 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.160 inch arms. I think people are hyping him up big time. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.600 I think he's the pedigree. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.640 Yeah, in love with his dad is pedigree. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.520 And also I think because he is an anomaly, he 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:30.960 is an outliar. How do you think a guy like 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.040 that translates? 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.640 He has to go to the right place. And I 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.200 hate to be a homer on this one, but he 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.040 needs to go to Picksbury. I'm just telling you. He 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.679 looks like a pigs about that. I would love it, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.720 But I'm just saying I don't see him working everywhere 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.600 like some guys my drug and play everywhere, and some 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.240 guys they need the right situation that rights like run 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.320 da Boba one of my favorite corners that cover two 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.840 in Temple was the right situation to make him a 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.839 hall of fame. I can't say if you put him 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.920 at Man and Man in Pittsbury three four that he 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.400 makes it as a Hall of Famer. So I look 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.920 at Joey Port and I say, is the pedigree better 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.680 than the play on the field? Is it about upside 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.160 that what you said upside with this kid? I need 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.040 a guy that's ready to play right now in this I. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.840 Think him and Christian Zals are both upside plays, like 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.760 you know, because Christian is not overly productive, not overly physical, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.720 but you see him at the combine and he moves 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:26.800 the best to anybody in the class. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.760 Yeah, he does. He looks good and I. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.400 Think it's funny. Like the guys that I like are 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.520 Witherspoon and Deontay Banks because to me, they're tough, physical 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.560 athletes that I think project well the NFL. Right, you 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.280 don't like the toughness as much, right, you like you 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.880 like soft, pretty boys. It gets interceptions series. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.440 You told my guys don't miss no games. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.640 I like that guys don't miss it. And I'm giving 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.320 I'm giving Forbes a hard time, but I do like 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.600 his film a lot. Like he's He's probably my fourth 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:52.600 fifth corner in the class. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.120 You got Ringo because he's the guy that I think 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.840 he's lying everybody. He's your five star guy that played 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.640 with a lot of more five stars and just looked 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:05.880 like he was going through the motions. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.640 Yeah, I think you told me this, and like the 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.320 second I watched like his first like his first coverage 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.480 cut up. I was like, you said, he's gonna have safety, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.320 and I was like, he has to play safety. He's 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.800 got such tight hip, fast, he's fast, and he's big. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.800 He looks good coming off the bus. But when I 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.400 when I when the dB has a hitch on the turn, Yeah, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.319 on something vertical, it's fatal, especially when you're going against 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:26.280 really faster. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.199 To turn their hips and had to pick their knees up. Really, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.559 that tears me. You don't You're not a smooth transition. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.160 And I hate to say this. If a cornerback can't dance, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:36.160 I don't want it. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.680 It's I mean, I you know, I'm a I'm a 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.439 strength coach by trade, Fred you know, by when I'm 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.240 not in here talking to the microphone. And one of the 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.160 biggest things in the research is like dancing and rhythm, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.920 it correlates directly to athleticism. So I know you're trying 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:48.920 to make a joke there, but that's. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:54.720 What did myself took ballet You want you is that 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.439 why your feet or on this stuff? No? No, it 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.880 could be about but this also where I didn't get 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.640 a lot of ankle injuries and I got great balance, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.080 and that's what you want. Like the one thing about 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.680 a cornerback, he has to have kit like reactions. Yeah, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.640 you never see a cat fall, all right, you got 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.120 to hit the ground, get back up. You gotta be 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.600 seconds tense of a second. Like so at the end 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.600 of the day, if you're not a jilly and you're 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.120 not flexible, I don't see you stopping some of these. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.800 I don't see you stopping Jamar Chase. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.440 I just don't Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hill, like name any quick, fast, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.079 swell schooled wide receiver, and you need to have fluid 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:30.920 hips and good reaction. Billy, I totally agree. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.520 And so that's why some of these guys, and you know, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.120 this is what we do every year. Every year we 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.400 have a draft with seven rounds, and we feel like 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.120 all seven rounds, all thirty two picks are all gonna 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.920 be great. They're just not. Like I hate to tell people, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.600 sixty percent of this first round will not be in 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:47.720 the league in four years. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.920 So I was gonna ask you, Fred, do you want 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.520 to talk about your top guys, your top corners, give 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.559 your top corners, and then how would you tier them? 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:54.720 Right? 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.160 Because I know not all these guys are going to 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.240 be first round players. Yeah, some of them are going 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.719 to be first top first round players, some of the 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.120 second second half of the first round. How do you 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:02.559 tear them? 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.360 Who are your guys mimicking last years? I believe in 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.280 Tarik Woodland. When I see him go to Seattle pro bowler, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.240 I knew it. Get with their coach, you will be good. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.400 When I seen some of these guys now he's like, okay, uh, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.520 I think a guy like Christian Gonzales, I'm high on 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:23.440 him than you are. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.520 He's he's my second rateed quarter. So for my tiers, yea, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.600 I have with a Spoon in the first tier kind 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.719 of by himself, and then I have then I have there. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.040 Come on now, Jackson, you did not Michael James, you didn't. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.560 Have You didn't do tears. I'm doing my teers. So 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.320 then I got Christian Gonzales, I got Deontay Banks, I 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.719 got shoot I forget the other guy had in there, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.040 Deantay Banks, Joey Porter Jr. And then I have Emmanuel 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.880 Forbes in the third tier. But it's very close. So 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.360 that's kind of my top five guys. I can see 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:51.080 you're upset about that. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.800 No, I'm just saying it just told me that you 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:53.720 just so how. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.360 How would you tear at Fred? 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.880 I would say, the distance between I mean number one, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.360 and I've said this in number seven corner in this 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:08.040 draft is minute. It's minute. I can get just as 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.559 much play from Uh. You love Banks. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.200 I'm high on Banks, but I understand. I understand your point. Though. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.120 To me, the difference between Gonzales Banks and Joey Porter Jr. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.640 Is basically basically the same. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.800 Feel like I can get the same thing from Banks 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.000 that I can get in the third round from DJ 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.400 Turner from Michigan. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.480 I disagree. He's a good he's a great football player, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.120 a round a four to two fourth the combine, and 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.240 he's he's he's all those things. But he's one of 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.560 those guys at the catch point that I'm like, is 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.559 he physical enough at the catch pointint. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.480 At the miss point with me where you and the 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.600 receiver get get get side by side and transition into 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.560 a route. I put these guys all in the same tier. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.000 I don't believe nobody in this draft is a d 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.520 un Sanders, all right, nobody's in. So I put these guys, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.600 it's like five one bees. Yeah, I like five one 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.520 bees that can be special with the right coach in 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.480 the right situation. I don't see as much separation as 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.480 you do, and I'm not as high on the high end, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:10.480 and I think that's why. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.440 So when I say tears, right, so Witherspoon's to me 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.400 is a top ten pick. Those other three guys I 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.199 could see go to the first round, and Forbes could 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.480 sneak into the bottom of the first early second. So 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.680 there's not a lot of space for me, right. But 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:23.640 when you when you kind of get to the film, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.680 you have to distinguish stuff because you have to say 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.360 what separates player action player? 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.160 Who is the safest? That's the question of and will 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.800 the Spoon seems to be the safest. I think because 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.000 of one thing, his tackling ability. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.800 He's an excellent tackle. And that's another reason why I 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.360 like banks a lot too, because they're good tacklers. And 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.680 I've played with corners who are good coverage players, and 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.760 you have two, yeah, who aren't willing to tackle, and 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.560 it gets exposed at this level, right, they can't tackle receivers, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.200 they can't. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.400 They're gonna start to make their receiver cut that linebacker, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.080 and you they gonna they're gonna force you to be 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.960 one on one with backs. And most guys they are 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.520 willing tackle. His mindset tackling is a mindset that's taut. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.040 And most these guys from college are not good tackler 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:03.400 because they don't give up a lot of catches. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.560 Yeah. Yeah, And so like to your point, like Kyle's 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.880 whole offense, Kyle Shanahan's entire offense is built around making 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.200 the worst tackle on the field make the tackle. Yeah, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.680 And ninety percent of the time, ninety eight percent of 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.720 the time, the run is designed to make the corner 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:18.280 make the tackle. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:18.640 Yes. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.600 And so when I look at that, I say, Joey 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.600 Porter Junior not the best tackler. Christian goan Zale is 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.200 not the best tackler. I will say, Manuel Forbes is 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.840 a very willing tackler. Deontay Banks very willing tackler. And 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.800 with Aspooner willing attackler. So that's why I value what 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:32.680 they do well. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.040 I value the fact that this is a passing league. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.520 Now that's what everybody no. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.280 I but but I do think and you would agree 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.240 with me. Those guys can cover. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.360 Yeah, that's not like all these these You said, who are. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.160 The safest and we're and I think we both agree 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.760 they're the safest picks. Yeah, because they are the best 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.040 and most willing tacklers. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.560 They are, and you still we'll be a prisoner to 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.760 your defensive play caller and to the rest of the 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.480 guys on your team. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.840 Yeah, man, Fred, I always enjoy talking with you, and 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.640 I think we got to talk maybe a line next time. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.920 And let's keep an eye on those James And was right, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:02.120 this ain't finished. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.960 This is not over, my brother. We will continue. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.360 Yeah, So Fred, what are you watching? Hey? 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.840 This new show beef would Yeah, that's the one about 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.400 the road Rage. Yes, it starts off in roads Rage, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.920 and it just ends in terrible stuff. It's just like 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.240 every episode just starts the snowball and things get worse 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.240 and worse. I heard. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.760 I heard the main character is like, like might get 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.240 together at the end. Do you think that's what's gonna be? 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.560 Yes, But they see, they leave you on the cliffhanger 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.520 because they because listen, he gets shot by her husband. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.440 What I'm telling you, she falls in love with the 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.280