1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed by our podcast guests are 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: their own and do not necessarily reflect the views or 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: positions of the Washington Commanders or any of their representatives. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: This is the Command Center Commute Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: This is the Mouth of the South. 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: Frederick Smooth. I go by Frederick. Now I'd got older. 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: It sounds very official, brother. So we're gonna start with 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: a weekend wrap up talking about kind of the big 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: news of the week, which is Jalen Hurts. 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty five million. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: Do you got that when you played? Though? 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: Right, I'm not even close, not even to back money, 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: you know, Warner back. You know, that's a different text bracket. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: And that's why I got my theories on. I think 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks should have their own salary, own salary. I 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: think they should not count against the salary cap because 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: they are independent contractors. But I think this is the 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: new NFL when it comes to quarterbacks. 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: And so what do you think about paying him specifically? 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: You know that team has been built up, I think 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: in large part because they've had a cheap quarterback. They've 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: had a guy at a rookie deal, and now they 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: give them all this money. Now that the contract structure 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: is a little bit up and down, it's kind of backloaded. Whatever. 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later. But you know, can they 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: be successful not having that supporting cast around them. 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: I think Philadelphia does this better than anybody. They've paid 28 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: it guys a year earlier, like a year or two. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: They do it because think about this two hundred and 30 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: fifty five million. I hate to say this quarter to 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: a billion. It'll be cheap in three years. So this 32 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: what they're playing in on. And don't forget Aj Brown 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: already locked up Devinte Smith, steel on a rocky country 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: and just sign a new running back and they still 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: got numerous draft capital So at the end of the day, 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: they are right where they want to be, in that 37 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: sweet spot. 38 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: It does make it a little more challenging, I think, 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: because they have to keep kind of their you know, 40 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: they have to keep hitting on the draft. You know 41 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: how challenging that is. You know, like it leverages them 42 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: in a different way than they've been leveraged in the past. 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: You know, before they could go out and say, oh 44 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: let's get Aj Brown, Oh let's play Peylane Johnson. Now 45 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: that's a little bit more challenging, right. 46 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: It's a little bit moneier. But you got to realize 47 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: last year's Jordan Davis, who will be stepping in and 48 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: starting row right now and knowby Dean. 49 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: But they lose Hardgrave, right, this is one of the 50 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: reasons you lose Hargrave, right, And who's who's maybe one 51 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: of the best interior pass rushers in the NFL. Right, 52 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: And that's something that I think is again, can you sustain? 53 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: You see, like I go back to the Seattle Seahawks 54 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: when they paid Russell Wilson, that defensive roster got. 55 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: It's crazy they started to deteriorate. And I totally understand. 56 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: I just think Philadelphi is in a better mode. Like 57 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 3: we just said, harg Grave leaves, Jordan Davis, the first 58 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: round pick from last year steps in, so tj leaves 59 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: at the middle linebacker n Kobe Dean steps in. These 60 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: are guys that's been in their system for a year. 61 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: So I think they the prior planning had stopped poor 62 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: I guess situational planning. 63 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it also feels like doesn't feel like they 64 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: kind of knew they were going to do this, like 65 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: planning that far ahead. You know what I'm saying planning 66 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: that far ahead, and you know they have two first 67 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: round picks this year. I mean, I just the way 68 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 2: they build a team and the way they build a 69 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: roster is just incredible. 70 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: I'm jealous because they did start this year saying, we're 71 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: going to see if Jalen Hurts is our quarterback because 72 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: we have a top ten pick and we might draft them. 73 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: That's where they set themself up at. 74 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: And that's a good process, though, man, Like, that's what 75 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: you want to do, you know, And I think that's 76 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: that's you know, I think Washington can learn a little 77 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: bit from that. 78 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: Ain't nothing wrong with that. Your enemies and who you 79 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: do learn from. 80 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other thing I want to touch 81 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: on is just like you know, leading into the draft 82 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: for Washington, you know, you're not been talking a lot 83 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: about DB's You said something absolutely insane to me earlier today, 84 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: You're not as high on Witherspoon. The more and more Witherspoon, 85 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: the quarterback out of Illinois. 86 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: Yes, the more and more I watch him, I'm seeing 87 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: a big guy that can't run, that's very physical. I'm 88 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: all about ball retrieval, I'm all about thieves. I'm all 89 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: about cat Burglars. I'm all about guys getting balls that 90 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: don't belong to them. And if you can't do that 91 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: at a high level in college, I can't expect for 92 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: you to turn the page coming to the league with 93 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: better quarterbacks, better wide receivers, better tight ends, and all 94 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: of a sudden you're gonna become a thief. And then 95 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: think about this, I'm all about, what do my roster 96 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: look like. I have Saint Juice, I have the nullifier 97 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: over there, one guy that's not going to get a 98 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: lot of interceptions, but he will notify wide receiver. The 99 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: other guy has to be a ball retrieval guy. Can 100 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: you get that from the safeties though, Oh, you can't 101 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: get that from the safe. 102 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: Because when I look at with this one, I see 103 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: a guy who's got great instincts. He understands concepts really well. 104 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: He anticipates throws, he anticipates concepts how they're trying to 105 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: take different coverages, plays with great vision. He plays physical, 106 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: which is important to me, and so to me, that's 107 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: all good football player, right, And then you're you're just saying, oh, 108 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: he doesn't get turnovers. Turnovers are so it's so luck based, 109 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: fred right, I mean, there is skill associated. But I'm saying, 110 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: like a parent, tell a line. Yeah you stopped that 111 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: right now? Come on, you know I'm telling the truth, Fred, 112 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: because think about Emanuel Forbes. You're your best friend, yeah, 113 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: your little brother. 114 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no, I listen. He earned this 115 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: respect for me. I don't forget. We got cam Danzel 116 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: on this team who was paired up with him, and 117 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: I always feel like full ups with the better guy. 118 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: And it's no mistakes when it comes to turnover. Some 119 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: guys just get turnover and some guys don't. And when 120 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: I watch Witherspoon, I said, you know what, let me 121 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: watch him play against the best group of guys. He 122 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: played against Ohio State. These guys eyes. It wasn't a 123 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: great game for me, but it wasn't a bad game 124 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: for him. It's telling me a lot, Like he's telling 125 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: me a lot about who he is and what he is. 126 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: But nobody had a good game against the Oule State 127 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: no corner. Really, you know what I'm saying, Like, I 128 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: look at uh DJ Turner out of Michigan right and 129 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: he's the guy Harrison Holy Countary receiver from Mile State. 130 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: He looks like he. 131 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: Played against his father, and he's bigger, strong than his father, 132 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: So I understand it. So now what happens when you 133 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: see a Marvin Harrison junior every week? 134 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: But that's the thing, is there on Marvin Junior Harrison 135 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: in the NFL every week? 136 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: You know, I think, I think every team has a 137 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: legit number one. Think about our team. We have three 138 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: wide receivers that can pretty much beat anybody in this right. 139 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: So and then I always tell people this, just because 140 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: the receiver has not developed a name for himself, the 141 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 3: last dude on your roster can really beat anybody in 142 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: this world when it comes to getting open. And that's 143 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: why I tell when I when I draft cornerbacks, am 144 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: I bringing him into a situation where they could blossom? 145 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: We play a lot of matches on I need people. 146 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: It's very very good with the eye. Now, Retherspoon will 147 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: fit in there when it comes to playing understanding concepts 148 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: and reacted to stuff with his eyes. But at the 149 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: end of the day, not the long his arms, not 150 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: the guy with the highest vertical So what is he 151 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: going to do when the smaller receiver started to round 152 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: him up in the bigger receiver store at the body? 153 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me off my point anyway, Fred Jesus Man, like, 154 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: so we know, you know we were talking about Manuel 155 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Forbes and turnover luck right, because when you look at 156 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 2: Emmanuel Forbes, seven interceptions, right, I think four for touchdowns. 157 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: Four you heard it. 158 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, four for touchdowns. Some of those are tip passes, 159 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: some of those are underthrown balls. Right. He's just kind 160 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: of in the right place at the right time. I 161 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: played with the guy in college who led the FBS 162 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: and interceptions and was not a very good pro and 163 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: everyone he was overdrafted because of the interception luck right, 164 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: interception luck quote. 165 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: You don't want to say his name. 166 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: I don't remember his name. I'm gonna keep my guy. 167 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep my guy out of the fire right now. 168 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: Talk about this. My guy Fords played real levies, A 169 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: guy that they're trying to push up is the top. 170 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: You don't like Will Evis, so don't use him as 171 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: an argument. Why you boys? 172 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: But did you see what past he picked off a screenplay? 173 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: This is a bubble screen that my guy saw, responded to, 174 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: reacted to, picked off, and took sixty yards. That is 175 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: not a tip ball. That's not this I replays and 176 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: this is what I love by man for what he studies. 177 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: He believes he trust itself. 178 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: Zone player right, good without the like off vision, off coverage. 179 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: But how's the ability to play man? 180 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: No, No, he's a pressman, dow. He's a press man 181 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 3: at one sixty six. Yeah, of grass blowing the wind, 182 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: but they stays wrong, right all I'm telling you like this? No, 183 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: come on? Have you seen him? Six 'y two. He 184 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: has a wingspan of a basketball player. He loves. 185 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: My son weighs more than him. 186 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: Bro, Yes, your son does, but we're not taking your 187 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: son in the first round this year. So at the 188 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: end of the day, it doesn't matter. Listen, I told 189 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: you what do I like? Anomaly? I like guys that 190 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: do not fit the mold. And that's why you're a 191 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: love Weatherspoon. He checks all the boxes, six feet tall, 192 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: two hundred pounds, look like a football player until it's 193 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: time to play football. 194 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: But he he's not old. Fred Fred Fred fred Fred. 195 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: He looks like a football player. He plays like a 196 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: football player, And I think that's why I like that 197 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: that quality a little bit more. You mentioned anomalies, right, yeah, 198 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: we're talking about Joey Porter Jr. He might be the 199 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: most anomaly guy in the class, the biggest outlier. Right, 200 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: he's six 'y to two. Legitimately he's one hundred and 201 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: ninety five pounds, two hundred pounds, big corner, thirty four 202 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: inch arms. I think people are hyping him up big time. 203 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: I think he's the pedigree. 204 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, in love with his dad is pedigree. 205 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: And also I think because he is an anomaly, he 206 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: is an outliar. How do you think a guy like 207 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: that translates? 208 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: He has to go to the right place. And I 209 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: hate to be a homer on this one, but he 210 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: needs to go to Picksbury. I'm just telling you. He 211 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: looks like a pigs about that. I would love it, 212 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: But I'm just saying I don't see him working everywhere 213 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: like some guys my drug and play everywhere, and some 214 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: guys they need the right situation that rights like run 215 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: da Boba one of my favorite corners that cover two 216 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: in Temple was the right situation to make him a 217 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 3: hall of fame. I can't say if you put him 218 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: at Man and Man in Pittsbury three four that he 219 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: makes it as a Hall of Famer. So I look 220 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: at Joey Port and I say, is the pedigree better 221 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: than the play on the field? Is it about upside 222 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: that what you said upside with this kid? I need 223 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: a guy that's ready to play right now in this I. 224 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: Think him and Christian Zals are both upside plays, like 225 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: you know, because Christian is not overly productive, not overly physical, 226 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: but you see him at the combine and he moves 227 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: the best to anybody in the class. 228 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. He looks good and I. 229 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: Think it's funny. Like the guys that I like are 230 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: Witherspoon and Deontay Banks because to me, they're tough, physical 231 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: athletes that I think project well the NFL. Right, you 232 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: don't like the toughness as much, right, you like you 233 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: like soft, pretty boys. It gets interceptions series. 234 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: You told my guys don't miss no games. 235 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: I like that guys don't miss it. And I'm giving 236 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: I'm giving Forbes a hard time, but I do like 237 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: his film a lot. Like he's He's probably my fourth 238 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: fifth corner in the class. 239 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: You got Ringo because he's the guy that I think 240 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: he's lying everybody. He's your five star guy that played 241 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: with a lot of more five stars and just looked 242 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: like he was going through the motions. 243 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you told me this, and like the 244 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: second I watched like his first like his first coverage 245 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: cut up. I was like, you said, he's gonna have safety, 246 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, he has to play safety. He's 247 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: got such tight hip, fast, he's fast, and he's big. 248 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: He looks good coming off the bus. But when I 249 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: when I when the dB has a hitch on the turn, Yeah, 250 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: on something vertical, it's fatal, especially when you're going against 251 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: really faster. 252 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: To turn their hips and had to pick their knees up. Really, 253 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 3: that tears me. You don't You're not a smooth transition. 254 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: And I hate to say this. If a cornerback can't dance, 255 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: I don't want it. 256 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: It's I mean, I you know, I'm a I'm a 257 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: strength coach by trade, Fred you know, by when I'm 258 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: not in here talking to the microphone. And one of the 259 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: biggest things in the research is like dancing and rhythm, 260 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: it correlates directly to athleticism. So I know you're trying 261 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: to make a joke there, but that's. 262 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: What did myself took ballet You want you is that 263 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 3: why your feet or on this stuff? No? No, it 264 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: could be about but this also where I didn't get 265 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: a lot of ankle injuries and I got great balance, 266 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: and that's what you want. Like the one thing about 267 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: a cornerback, he has to have kit like reactions. Yeah, 268 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: you never see a cat fall, all right, you got 269 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: to hit the ground, get back up. You gotta be 270 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: seconds tense of a second. Like so at the end 271 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: of the day, if you're not a jilly and you're 272 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: not flexible, I don't see you stopping some of these. 273 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: I don't see you stopping Jamar Chase. 274 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: I just don't Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hill, like name any quick, fast, 275 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 2: swell schooled wide receiver, and you need to have fluid 276 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: hips and good reaction. Billy, I totally agree. 277 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: And so that's why some of these guys, and you know, 278 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: this is what we do every year. Every year we 279 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: have a draft with seven rounds, and we feel like 280 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: all seven rounds, all thirty two picks are all gonna 281 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: be great. They're just not. Like I hate to tell people, 282 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: sixty percent of this first round will not be in 283 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: the league in four years. 284 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask you, Fred, do you want 285 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: to talk about your top guys, your top corners, give 286 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: your top corners, and then how would you tier them? 287 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: Right? 288 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: Because I know not all these guys are going to 289 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: be first round players. Yeah, some of them are going 290 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: to be first top first round players, some of the 291 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: second second half of the first round. How do you 292 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 2: tear them? 293 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: Who are your guys mimicking last years? I believe in 294 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: Tarik Woodland. When I see him go to Seattle pro bowler, 295 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: I knew it. Get with their coach, you will be good. 296 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: When I seen some of these guys now he's like, okay, uh, 297 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: I think a guy like Christian Gonzales, I'm high on 298 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: him than you are. 299 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: He's he's my second rateed quarter. So for my tiers, yea, 300 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: I have with a Spoon in the first tier kind 301 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: of by himself, and then I have then I have there. 302 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: Come on now, Jackson, you did not Michael James, you didn't. 303 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: Have You didn't do tears. I'm doing my teers. So 304 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: then I got Christian Gonzales, I got Deontay Banks, I 305 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 2: got shoot I forget the other guy had in there, 306 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: Deantay Banks, Joey Porter Jr. And then I have Emmanuel 307 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: Forbes in the third tier. But it's very close. So 308 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: that's kind of my top five guys. I can see 309 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: you're upset about that. 310 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying it just told me that you 311 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: just so how. 312 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: How would you tear at Fred? 313 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: I would say, the distance between I mean number one, 314 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: and I've said this in number seven corner in this 315 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: draft is minute. It's minute. I can get just as 316 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: much play from Uh. You love Banks. 317 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm high on Banks, but I understand. I understand your point. Though. 318 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: To me, the difference between Gonzales Banks and Joey Porter Jr. 319 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: Is basically basically the same. 320 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: Feel like I can get the same thing from Banks 321 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: that I can get in the third round from DJ 322 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: Turner from Michigan. 323 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: I disagree. He's a good he's a great football player, 324 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: a round a four to two fourth the combine, and 325 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: he's he's he's all those things. But he's one of 326 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: those guys at the catch point that I'm like, is 327 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: he physical enough at the catch pointint. 328 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: At the miss point with me where you and the 329 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: receiver get get get side by side and transition into 330 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: a route. I put these guys all in the same tier. 331 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe nobody in this draft is a d 332 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: un Sanders, all right, nobody's in. So I put these guys, 333 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: it's like five one bees. Yeah, I like five one 334 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: bees that can be special with the right coach in 335 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: the right situation. I don't see as much separation as 336 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: you do, and I'm not as high on the high end, 337 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: and I think that's why. 338 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: So when I say tears, right, so Witherspoon's to me 339 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: is a top ten pick. Those other three guys I 340 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: could see go to the first round, and Forbes could 341 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: sneak into the bottom of the first early second. So 342 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of space for me, right. But 343 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: when you when you kind of get to the film, 344 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: you have to distinguish stuff because you have to say 345 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: what separates player action player? 346 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: Who is the safest? That's the question of and will 347 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: the Spoon seems to be the safest. I think because 348 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: of one thing, his tackling ability. 349 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: He's an excellent tackle. And that's another reason why I 350 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: like banks a lot too, because they're good tacklers. And 351 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: I've played with corners who are good coverage players, and 352 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: you have two, yeah, who aren't willing to tackle, and 353 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: it gets exposed at this level, right, they can't tackle receivers, 354 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: they can't. 355 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: They're gonna start to make their receiver cut that linebacker, 356 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: and you they gonna they're gonna force you to be 357 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: one on one with backs. And most guys they are 358 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: willing tackle. His mindset tackling is a mindset that's taut. 359 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: And most these guys from college are not good tackler 360 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: because they don't give up a lot of catches. 361 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so like to your point, like Kyle's 362 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: whole offense, Kyle Shanahan's entire offense is built around making 363 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: the worst tackle on the field make the tackle. Yeah, 364 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: And ninety percent of the time, ninety eight percent of 365 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: the time, the run is designed to make the corner 366 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: make the tackle. 367 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 368 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: And so when I look at that, I say, Joey 369 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: Porter Junior not the best tackler. Christian goan Zale is 370 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: not the best tackler. I will say, Manuel Forbes is 371 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: a very willing tackler. Deontay Banks very willing tackler. And 372 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: with Aspooner willing attackler. So that's why I value what 373 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: they do well. 374 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: I value the fact that this is a passing league. 375 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: Now that's what everybody no. 376 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: I but but I do think and you would agree 377 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: with me. Those guys can cover. 378 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not like all these these You said, who are. 379 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: The safest and we're and I think we both agree 380 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: they're the safest picks. Yeah, because they are the best 381 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: and most willing tacklers. 382 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: They are, and you still we'll be a prisoner to 383 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: your defensive play caller and to the rest of the 384 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: guys on your team. 385 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Fred, I always enjoy talking with you, and 386 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: I think we got to talk maybe a line next time. 387 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: And let's keep an eye on those James And was right, 388 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: this ain't finished. 389 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: This is not over, my brother. We will continue. 390 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Fred, what are you watching? Hey? 391 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: This new show beef would Yeah, that's the one about 392 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: the road Rage. Yes, it starts off in roads Rage, 393 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: and it just ends in terrible stuff. It's just like 394 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: every episode just starts the snowball and things get worse 395 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: and worse. I heard. 396 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: I heard the main character is like, like might get 397 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: together at the end. Do you think that's what's gonna be? 398 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: Yes, But they see, they leave you on the cliffhanger 399 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: because they because listen, he gets shot by her husband. 400 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: What I'm telling you, she falls in love with the 401 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: dude that she was in road Rage with she cheats 402 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: on her husband with the dudes brother, they get trapped 403 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: in the woods together they eat some poison berries and 404 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: just lose their mind. Show it's called Beat. You gotta 405 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: watch it. It's a modent, emotional roller coaster and that's 406 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: what I like. And it's written very well. 407 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Shoot, all right, well I'm watching I'm watching The Night Agent, 408 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: which I don't really watch. I kind of work on 409 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: workout with it at night and then it's on. It's okay. 410 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as good as beef. 411 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: Sounds like you're not really a TV dude. 412 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean I do. But I got kids, Fred and 413 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: they live with me. I got kid but you know 414 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: how it is your kids older right there? So I got, 415 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: like you sports. I got football practice on Monday and 416 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: Monday Thursday, got hockey practice on Tuesday. I got soccer 417 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: practice on Wednesday. Like, it's not a lot of time. 418 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: About in nagg and what the baby gonna do? Check 419 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: this out? When you get tell you's where your kids 420 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: getting older? Now? They just eat and go in their 421 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: room and clothes and do it like you don't You 422 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: don't want that, because then you like that is true? 423 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: I want it. I want it, Dude, I got a. 424 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: Relationship with you. They just outgrowing you at the time, 425 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: and they don't want to chill with Pops out the time, 426 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: and plus with the phones, with the phones. 427 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: It's terrible. 428 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: It's over with. 429 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: So I guess what I'm saying is I enjoy that 430 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: that I'm not watching a lot of TV right now. 431 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because it's raised by the TV. 432 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: The show that I am watching not great. But Fred, 433 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: Thanks buddy. We'll talk about this morn next time on 434 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: the show.