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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney. Alongside

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Speaker 1: Andy Peter Horn. He is the CEO of Fat Brands UM.

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Speaker 1: They run own and run restaurants including Johnny Rockets, Fat

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Speaker 1: Burger and Buffalo's Cafe. I say, there used to be

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Speaker 1: a Johnny Rockets on Third and like fifty six, UM,

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Speaker 1: and I would go there and get double bacon cheeseburger

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Speaker 1: with that Apple would smoked bacon and a peanut butter milkshake,

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Speaker 1: which I would I would kill someone for one of

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Speaker 1: those right now. But uh, what's changed about the business? Um?

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Speaker 1: And he since since I've been down there. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: in Berlin the last five years, so I haven't been

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Speaker 1: back in the States and I don't even think that, um,

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Speaker 1: that restaurant on Third Avenue is open anymore. So what's

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Speaker 1: what's Johnny Rockets, What's fatburger like now, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. The Johnny Rockets brand, we bought

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Speaker 1: it six months ago and about three five restaurants a

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five of those are international. They're all

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Speaker 1: over the place, all over Europe, all over Latin and

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Speaker 1: South America. UM and you know we have like a

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Speaker 1: hundred of them down there, so they're they're everywhere today,

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Speaker 1: growing rapidly. Uh. We don't have one in in Manhattan today,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully we'll have another one there soon. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: you know, businesses growing alright, So give us a just

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Speaker 1: give us a we're thirteen fourteen months andy into this pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Give us a kind of a big four the pandemic

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Speaker 1: and kind of where we are now, how has a

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Speaker 1: pandemic impacted your businesses? You've got we've been we've been

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Speaker 1: fortunate and that most of our brands have met or

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Speaker 1: exceeded their their levels. Now they've recovered the burger brand

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Speaker 1: Stapper Elevation Burger, which is an organic grass fed burger

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Speaker 1: chain on the East Coast, and Johnny Rockets recovering nicely

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Speaker 1: allowed delivery and to go business. So they were really

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Speaker 1: fortunate to be able to take advantage of that market. Um,

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Speaker 1: they're probably at normal. There are a lot of special

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Speaker 1: venues that aren't quite open yet, like amusement park, steam parks,

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Speaker 1: things like that everywhere where. Johnny Rackett's new movie Theaters

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Speaker 1: has a lot of locations on the Hurricane Growing Wings,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's Cafe. Those are casual dining restaurants with full bars

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Speaker 1: and outdoor dining rooms and all that. They're like a

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen percent of normal. So they're just recovering

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Speaker 1: like crazy. And part of that is because during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: when outdoor dining was allowed, delivery and to go raised awareness,

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Speaker 1: and then when customers allowed to come back to the

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Speaker 1: dining rooms, you have all this additional delivery business that

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Speaker 1: customers didn't really know about before, and so now they're

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Speaker 1: over acent of normal. So doing very well. They're a

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Speaker 1: little bit of trouble in the Midwest with our steakhouse

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Speaker 1: unit Ponderosa and Bonanza where a lot of closures for

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Speaker 1: a long period of time. Probably lost some stores there,

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Speaker 1: but it's a small percentage of our total seven hundred restaurants.

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Speaker 1: So we've been very fortunate. When you say organic and

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Speaker 1: grass fed, my mouth immediately starts to water and I

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Speaker 1: jumped on the Fat Burger website site. I see you

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Speaker 1: have an x x x L Triple King burger that's

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I can. We have a contest

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Speaker 1: it used to be called the Triple King Challenge. If

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Speaker 1: you can eat that burger, you get a T shirt

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Speaker 1: and a certificate. But oftentimes we see guys and girls

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Speaker 1: go into the restaurant, and the girls always win because

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Speaker 1: they're much smarter and they're not eating French fries and

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Speaker 1: definitely a contest burger. Well, as the Grateful Dead said,

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Speaker 1: the women are smarter. Um. What I noticed is there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of fake meat here on Fat Burger.

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Speaker 1: On the Johnny Rockets menu, I do see, Um, you

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Speaker 1: know a garden burger, a black bean burger. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about the fake meat trend? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Fake meat is a pejorative term, but you know what

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Speaker 1: Plant based proteins are here to stay. Brands need to

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Speaker 1: adapt them. And basically, you take that that patty that

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Speaker 1: tastes like beef and bleeds like beef, and you add

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna taste like Johnny Rockets burger, a fatburger,

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Speaker 1: But plant based proteins are here, they're not going away.

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Speaker 1: much better than the ordinary you know, garden Burger or

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Speaker 1: enough to go to a plant based protein sen And

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Speaker 1: it's it's really because people don't want to eat the

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Speaker 1: on the cost side. And he talked us about employees

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Speaker 1: and the ability to attract and retain employees. These days,

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Speaker 1: there's so much talk out there that the stimulus is

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Speaker 1: impacting that two words for you, total nightmare. The labor

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Speaker 1: market in the labor market in the restaurant industry right

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Speaker 1: now has been decimated by the stimulus package and unemployment benefits,

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Speaker 1: and it's impossible to get people to come back to

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Speaker 1: employees in the restaurants that are under construction to be built.

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Speaker 1: And this is not something that we experienced nine months

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Speaker 1: to work, and it's it's just been a problem now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's going to wear off fairly soon when unemployment

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Speaker 1: it's been very difficult and it's driven up food prices

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Speaker 1: of drivers. All right, that's I think we've heard that

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Speaker 1: around the business and you Weader Horn, CEO Fat Brands,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the restaurant industry. Let's get the latest, shall we,

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Speaker 1: on some of the leading geopolitical issues that are out

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Speaker 1: we always like to turn to Admiral James Trevites. He's

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Speaker 1: We have Russia massing troops on the border there. What

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Speaker 1: first start with recognizing that Russia actually invaded Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: over the last two to three weeks we've seen reports vary,

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Speaker 1: eighty thousand troops. This is a significant force. So the

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Speaker 1: reason for it, I think is threefold. One is Putin

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Speaker 1: all politics are local in the end, He's trying to um,

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Speaker 1: So he's got a shopping list of things he wants

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Speaker 1: seeking to demonstrate that he can make things very difficult

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Speaker 1: to well. And Biden's been pretty bold when talking to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump seemingly adored the Russian leader, and you know,

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Speaker 1: a murderer. Um. On the other hand, Admiral, it does

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Speaker 1: seem as though a lot of these geopolitical hotspots, a

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Speaker 1: with NATO. They're not members of NATO, but they've been

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Speaker 1: You know, I was kind of excited to see a

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Speaker 1: is so determined to get a pipeline up to Russia,

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Speaker 1: treasury is on a currency hedged basis and and certainly

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Speaker 1: earned positive spread over what they can get back in

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Speaker 1: their own home markets. So our view here is dollars

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Speaker 1: That arguably can work well for equities as long as

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Speaker 1: earnings growth comes through and valuation levels hold. I know

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Speaker 1: it's a lot to ask, but that's kind of how

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Speaker 1: the mechanics work. Yeah, I'd love to talk to you

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the chip shortage that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: It's rippling out to other parts of the economy, most

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Speaker 1: notably I think the auto industry has been calling it

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Speaker 1: what do you think the solution is? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: certainly the dislocations that took place because things were shut

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean said, you've got a little

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Speaker 1: imbalances that are built up in the supply chain. If

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Speaker 1: right now, I think the numbers of about sixteen weeks

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Speaker 1: order times have stretched out as far as a year.

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Speaker 1: Uh and for the rollout of broadband capacity. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: routers obviously are very critical element here and so we're

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Speaker 1: seeing um, you know, points of constraint developed across the

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Speaker 1: you know, what was interesting about the Biden administration summit

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Speaker 1: fifty billion dollars of fiscal support towards easing semiconductor shortages

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Speaker 1: and putting more capacity here in the US, is that

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Speaker 1: you know, there is competition, whether it's amongst the auto

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Speaker 1: can put in place the capacity domestically arguably or at

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Speaker 1: least closer by is going to happen. David, five to

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Speaker 1: ten years, are we making the super high tech chips

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Speaker 1: at home? I'd say, you know, t SMC putting twelve

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Speaker 1: for plant in Phoenix, Arizona is important in that regard,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, five to ten years we're going to have

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Speaker 1: Obviously Intel made their own announcement I think last week,

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Speaker 1: uh twenty billion dollars. So yeah, this we're moving in

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Speaker 1: that direction, and we need to move in that direction

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Speaker 1: because China certainly indicated they want to be more self sufficient.

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Speaker 1: They'll take their first call on that asset. All right, David,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate that

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Speaker 1: as always. David Garretty, chief market strategist for laid Long Companies,

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Speaker 1: also our president at bt block Key is our what

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Speaker 1: do I go to guys for all things technology. Thanks

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