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The Colin Coward Podcast, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: presented by The Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi everybody, and 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: welcome to our Friday podcast. It's time for fake questions, 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: real answers. There's things I want to talk about but 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: don't want to wait for you to ask me. Dear Colin, 15 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: what do you make of Phil Mickelson not playing in 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: the PGA Championship even though he's a defending champ. Well, 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: I think golf is better when Phil Mickelson plays. There 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: are very few golfers in the world that have a 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: brand Tiger Brooks, Kepka, Phil Mickelson. What I do think 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: is interesting, though, is if you're a public figure long 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: enough in America, as a politician, a CEO, or an athlete, 22 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: you will eventually step in it. I'm always interested once 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: you do, what kind of support do you have? We 24 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: always thought of Tiger Woods as sort of a solo act, 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: but when he get into personal trouble, his circle may 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: be tight, but many people were there to support him. 27 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods made a lot of friends on the tour. 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: He was fun, a guy's guy, had made everybody richer. 29 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: When Phil Mickelson got into trouble with his comments about 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: the PGA tour being a dictatorship crickets, he withdrew from 31 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: the Masters. He withdrew from this PGA championship. Where his allies? 32 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Where his friends? Where's his support system? It tells you 33 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot about a man, not when he steps in it. 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: We all do as public figures, But do you have 35 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: any support when you do? Phil doesn't? Dear Colin, you 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: were vacationing in Italy. Tom Brady while you were there 37 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: signed a massive contract thirty five million a year at Fox. 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Why? Thank you? Italy 39 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: was amazing. I was your typical Italian love making machine. Espresso, wine, pizza, 40 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: my lucky wife. What do I make of it? Listen, 41 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good football analysts out there. 42 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick, he's been on our podcast. Excellent, Chris Collinsworth excellent. 43 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's different. Tom Brady is a brand. Fox is 44 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: paying him a lot of money. I don't know the 45 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: specific amount, but it's a lot. It is, however layered. 46 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: He is not being paid just to be a football analyst. 47 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: If you could pick one person in America to tie 48 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: yourself to in regards to football, there's an argument to 49 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: be made it's Tom Brady with the NFL. He comes 50 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: across by superstar standards as kind of wholesome, clean family guy, 51 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: loves football, totally committed to things he loves. Listen, Brady 52 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: will allow you to charge more for every commercial on 53 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: a football broadcast. He will be used, I imagine with 54 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: advertisers things we call in the advertising community the upfronts. 55 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: Tom Brady will drive revenue, just like he drove television 56 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: ratings as a player. I don't know how good he'll be. 57 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: I was told this by somebody who would know. Brady 58 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: is good at everything he wants to be good at 59 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: and it's really important for him to be a good broadcaster. 60 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: But that's why you pay him a lot of money. 61 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: He changes the temperature in every room he's in, and 62 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: he's probably the best football ambassador in a country of 63 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty five million people. Tom Brady now 64 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: at Fox, Dear Colin, what do you make a Nick 65 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Saban and Jimbo Fisher exchanging barbs on recruiting and the 66 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: name image likeness situation. You know they say this about Hollywood. 67 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: There are certain positions in Hollywood where you need to 68 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: get along with people, like actors and actresses. If you 69 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: have a long career, you'll be on lots of projects, 70 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: working with lots of people. You're already viewed as important, 71 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: high compensated, and often a star. It's really important to 72 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: get along with people. But when it comes to directors, 73 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: you're dealing with the studio budgets and bottom lines. Sometimes 74 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: you need twenty twenty five percent a whole like Quentin 75 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: Tarantino or James Cameron, different sensibilities for people on the 76 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: same movie set. That's the way I look at college 77 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: football coaches in the NFL. You're not recruiting players in 78 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: college you are you've got to be a salesman and 79 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: get along with dad and mom and the son. You've 80 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: got to deal with boosters and administrators. I've said this before. 81 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: Every great college football coach in my life has like 82 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five percent a whole. It doesn't mean 83 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: they're corrupted people or horrible people, but Saban and Jimbo 84 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Fisher have really healthy egos. Got into a war of 85 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: words publicly because that's what guys with egos do. They're 86 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: both really exceptional, saving the best ever. But college football 87 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: coaches are very, very rare. In the NBA, it's a 88 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: players league. In the NFL, it's quarterback league. College football 89 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: is a coach's sport, and it's the only sport that 90 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: often makes money on an entire campus. You're the state's 91 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: highest paid employer, being a little authoritative, bulldozing certain administrators, donors. 92 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: It's almost a commodity. Dear Colin, what do you make 93 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: of the USFL ratings on NBC and Fox? They're getting 94 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: like a million viewers a game, Yes they are. What's 95 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: interesting about the USFL is players, young men have virtually 96 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: no power, and that's a good thing. Now for all 97 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: the wokesters on the Internet. We want to enable and 98 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: empower athletes at all costs. But when you're starting up 99 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: a business, a professional league, and the WUNBA this about 100 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, you cannot give players power. What you 101 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: need is capital, timing, luck, and the ability to pivot 102 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: off stuff that works and stuff that doesn't work. The 103 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: USFL isn't going to make a ton of money, and 104 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: for the USFL to survive, it needs two years of 105 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: being able to pivot off stuff that immediately doesn't work. 106 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: You know, they did a Harvard business study years ago. 107 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: When we think of Silicon Valley, we think of all 108 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: the founders as young, brilliant people, twenty two, twenty three 109 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: years old. That's actually not true. The average age of 110 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: founders in Silicon Valley isn't twenty five or thirty five. 111 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 1: It's actually forty five. Because if twenty five year olds 112 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: are running your company, you're probably going to be in trouble. 113 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: You need experience, you need people who have been there before. 114 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: The USFL will work because the athletes in this situation 115 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: have little to no power and no flexibility. That's the 116 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: only way a new sports league will work. For the record, 117 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: the last sports league that was created that became something 118 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: was the UFC. What do we often hear Dana White 119 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: has all the power, Dear Colin. People are saying these 120 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: NBA playoffs are just like the nineteen seventies NBA. That's 121 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: the weakest decade at least the perception is of the sport. Actually, 122 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: it's funny. There are certain things that we say are 123 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: bad or trouble that really aren't. I'll give you an example. 124 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: Air travel. All I ever see is media people complaining 125 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: about it, people taking shots at it, ugly videos on 126 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: the Internet of people throwing tantrums on planes. Let's be honest. 127 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: I just flew from twelve hours in the air from Europe, 128 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic, across America to lax I was served 129 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: two meals. I saw a movie, an excellent documentary, had 130 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: half a bottle of wine, some excellent chocolates. I got 131 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: slippers and was able to sleep two hours as well. 132 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: I get treated better on an airline than they do 133 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: at home. They were checking on me every ten minutes. 134 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: That's how I feel about the nineteen seventies NBA. It 135 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: got a bad reputation, but it gave us Doctor j 136 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and Walt Frazier and Jerry West playing alongside Wilt Chamberlain 137 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: and Bill Walton, and my Sonics won a championship. It 138 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: got such a bad reputation. It was a wonderful time. 139 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: The problem with the league was the seventies. The revenue 140 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: was terrible and the commissioner was bad as well. Once 141 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: they got that right, the NBA was off and running. 142 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: But the nineteen seventies NBA gets a bad rap. Like 143 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: our airlines. I grew up on it. I have wonderful memories. 144 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: There were many memorable stars. We just didn't have any dynasties. 145 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: And that's okay too. Dear Colin, what do you make 146 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: of Bulletnikoff winner Jordan Addison, Pittsburgh Panther's wide receiver entering 147 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: the transfer portal and landing at USC. Well, I'm glad 148 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: you asked. What a fine university? You know. I always 149 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: roll my eyes at fans who think legendary college football 150 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: and college basketball brands are done for good. We've seen 151 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: Kentucky and Alabama, We've seen Notre Dame all struggle in 152 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,479 Speaker 1: the last twenty years. USC football two. But big brands 153 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: are really really important and they never die for good. 154 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: And what they also do and We saw this with 155 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Jim Harbon Michigan. When the big brand in college basketball 156 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: or football get the right star coach, they rebound within 157 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: a season. 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You've been 204 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: in the public consciousness forever. So you've only been there 205 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: from twenty eighteen twenty five years, you know, National Football 206 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: League and twenty five years. I think that's where I 207 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: it my mind goes. If I said, today you coach 208 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: against rookie head coach Mike Frabel, where would today's coach 209 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: work you on your first day coaching as a head 210 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: coach in the league. Where have you really made a 211 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: jump in your opinion. I think this the comfort level 212 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: of knowing that there's going to be so much uncertainty 213 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: and you're not going to be able to control everything, 214 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,359 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to just not worry about distractions 215 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: and try to avoid them. It's just how do we 216 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: handle them. It's just things are inevitable. I told I 217 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: scripted the rookie minicamp. I said, we're going to fumble 218 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: three snaps. We're going to throw an interception. A climate 219 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: are going to run into each other because one's going 220 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: to go to the right and the other one's going 221 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: to go to the left, and you guys are gonna 222 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: run into each other. And all these things happened, and 223 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: they came back laughing. After the first practice, I said, 224 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of can script these practice. 225 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: I know just how they're going to go. You know, Mike, 226 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, some of Belichick's assistants haven't done well. 227 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: You weren't classic assistant. You went to college route and 228 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: then came around. So a lot when I've talked to 229 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: some of the former Belichick assistants. Bill has such a 230 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: presence and he's such he's such an intellect that it's um. 231 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, when you're in his presence, you feel like 232 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a guru. I mean, you're 233 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to soak in all of it, and a 234 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: lot of coaches have said you do a really bad 235 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: impersonation of Belichick instead of being yourself, and with you 236 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: you have such a strong presence. I don't think you 237 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: fell into that. I think you're when I look at you, 238 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Mike rabel Is, Mike Vrabel, You're not You're not going 239 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: to be anybody else. And I you know your wife 240 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: was a college athlete, You're a former pro football player 241 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: for fourteen years. Do you think because you had such 242 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: a defined personality and presence you have, you soaked up 243 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: some stuff from Belichick, but there's no imitating. I mean 244 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: absolutely soaked up a lot. But I think that my 245 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: experience there was as a player with other great players. 246 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean I've learned. I've really tried to take a 247 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: lot from whether it be Teddy Bruski, William mc ginnis, 248 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison, experiences with Tom or any of the offensive players, 249 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: the coaches, Romeo Cornell that I had in the NFL, 250 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: and then try to mold that, whether it be working 251 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: for Bill O'Brien or even working for Urban and Ohio State. 252 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: The conversations with Luke Fickle and Marcus Freeman. I've tried 253 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to take all these different things just say be, be me, 254 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: be myself, and and react how I would react. But 255 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: these are things that these guys are really good at. 256 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: How how can I use them to help me or 257 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: help this team? You have to be really organized, right 258 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: like every great coach I've known as organized. Were you 259 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: an organized player? I don't. I mean, is what'sever behind me? 260 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: If that's organized on the on the on the screen, 261 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm back here. I just make my notes back there 262 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: because I'm not much of a computer. I kind of 263 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: just stay organized up here. Do you if I if you, 264 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: I'll give you a coach and you just tell me 265 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: a sentence what you glean from that coach? If I 266 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: say to you, um, Bill O'Brien, you were under Bill O'Brien, 267 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: what did you take from him? Authenticity? I remember him 268 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: saying the beauty of coaching is believing something. Have a philosophy, 269 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: get the players to believe in it. And there's going 270 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: to be a million different ways. But you have to 271 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: believe in and you have to do it your way. 272 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer teaching Urban was it was, it was mandatory 273 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: that you'd be a great teacher with these college players. 274 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: And also the connection, you know, I realized in college 275 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: the connection that you have to have between a player. 276 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: You get there and they're seventeen eighteen years old, and 277 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: you know that they're spending a lot of time within 278 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: your your father figure for most of those guys. Belichick 279 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: being just being prepared, being prepared for different situations, also 280 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: being flexible and understanding that things are going to change. 281 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: Things are going to constantly come up, and you have 282 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: to be willing to change and adat so you now 283 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: that surprises me. I look at Belichick and I think 284 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: he's so prepared. He wouldn't have that dexterity or that 285 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: that ability to pivot in games. Go back to your 286 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: playing career with Bill. I mean, were there times, Mike 287 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: that you'd come to the sideline and Bill would say, 288 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: screw it, we're just gonna things have changed, you know, 289 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: I think that this has probably been out and probably 290 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: been said, but you know, people would say, hey, we're 291 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: make some halftime adjustments, and Bill would say, well, if 292 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: we're waiting until halftime, it's probably going to be too late. 293 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Like we better been making adjustments by the second or 294 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: third series, Like the game plan has already shown its hand. 295 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: It's what they've practiced all week, you know, pretty much, 296 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: that's what it's going to be the rest of the game. 297 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: When did you gain his trust? When did Bill let 298 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: you call things? I mean, I went in there and again, 299 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: this is such a unique situation. I didn't start a 300 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: game for four years. Had a conversation with him in 301 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: free agency, and he had referenced plays that I had 302 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: made in the preseason game. He's like, you remember that 303 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: preseason game against Miami. He's like, that's what we're looking for, 304 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: that's what we expect, you know. And I went up 305 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: there with just, you know, a desire to try to 306 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: be right and be perfect, which you know you can't be. 307 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: You can't try to play like that. And I think 308 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: it was just something whereas things started to go on 309 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: the first or second year playing different positions, I think 310 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: he realized that. I think he valued that, the versatility, 311 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: the willingness to play special teams and really do whatever. 312 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Once once you show them that, once you show any 313 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: coach that whether it's Bill Belichick or anybody. Once you're 314 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: show them the willingness to do whatever you can to 315 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: help the team win. You know, that's how you earn trust. 316 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: You know. I was watching the NBA the other day 317 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: and they were talking about how Jason Kidd in the huddle. 318 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: Being a former pro athlete, it's easier to sell your culture. 319 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: It's easier to sell the moment. You know, Jason kidds 320 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: had that ball with thirty two seconds left so many times. 321 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: And I look at you and Mike Tomlin, and you 322 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: both have such a physical presence that one of the 323 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: thing things that's always remarkable about Tomlin that he's never 324 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: not a losing season, which is freaking ridiculous. It is amazing. 325 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: It's I mean, and he's had some quarterback issues and 326 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: some drama. Are there times, Mike, when you you know 327 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: you're in a moment, and you do feel like your 328 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: playing days in your presence helps you in moments you 329 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: can sell things. I think that over the course of 330 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: my career, I've been every one of those players that 331 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: are sitting in that team meeting. I was a rookie 332 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: who didn't know what he was doing. I was a 333 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: player that changed positions midway through his second year. I 334 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: was a free agent that signed for less as a 335 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: signing bonus than what he had when he got drafted. 336 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: I was a veteran player with a with a good 337 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: contract that was expected to produce. And I was an 338 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: aging veteran that got traded and went to a new 339 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: team that had to try to help and be a leader. 340 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: So through the course of that career, when I looked 341 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: in some of those guys's eyes, I'm like, yep, I 342 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: was you. I was you. I was you, And I 343 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: think that's what helps um. You know, Mike, it's it's 344 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: it's easier to be an offensive coach, right, Like we 345 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: see what's happening to the sport, and some of these 346 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: great defensive coaches, Bill Pete, Carroll, Vic Fangio as a 347 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: hell of a coach, Mike Zimmer, these are these are 348 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: really good coaches. But I mean, you can't coach like 349 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: it could twelve years ago. There's stuff you can't do. 350 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Do you do you ever think to yourself, God, could 351 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: you give me a break here? Okay? I mean your 352 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: team's really physical, like like that's your stamp to me. 353 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: You're your teams are physical but do you feel like 354 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: sometimes the sport has teetered. Tom Brady does feels this 355 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: way it's teetered a little too offensive. I don't. I mean, 356 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: I just I don't really get caught up in that. 357 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: I try to. I want to be comfortable enough to 358 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: coach every position on our football team. That's my goal. 359 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: When I walk around and I go into meetings, I'm 360 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: in there to learn to help the players. I don't 361 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: want to walk into a meeting and not be able 362 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: to say something that could help one of our players. 363 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: So my goal is is to learn enough to what 364 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: we're doing in all three phases to be able to 365 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: help in drills on the field like this Phase two 366 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: right now, this is my most favorite time of the season, 367 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: of the off season is because we're working on technique, 368 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: fundamentals and conditioning. And sometimes when the season starts, you 369 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: have ten minutes for individual Now we have thirty five 370 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: or forty minutes, and this is when you can start 371 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: to make strides and improvements. You're not focusing on so 372 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: much plays, but it's the techniques and the details of 373 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: playing offensive line or playing outside lineback or playing receiver. 374 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: You know, Belichick's history was always making a team play 375 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: left handed. I see some of that with you, where 376 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: I see you attack a team's weakness. Has there been 377 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: a team in the last couple of years that you 378 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: have faced and Mike, you thought to yourself, Man, it 379 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: may be a salary cap league, but they don't really 380 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: have a flaw, Like they're really hard to coach against. 381 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: I think that every single week in this league. I 382 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: believe that if you don't play well, you are guaranteed 383 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: to lose. I just that's what I believe. That's how 384 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: I try to coach. And if you play well, you 385 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to win. We try to treat 386 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: every week the same, win or lose, whether it's a 387 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: stretch where you go on the road and it's the 388 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: Rams and the Chiefs and this and that and the 389 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: other thing, and they're Buffalo and it's one after another, 390 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: but you really just focus on that week and whatever 391 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: he did last week doesn't matter. So I defended Ryan 392 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: Tannehill when he you know, he made kind of an 393 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: average He talked for a while and he made a 394 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: small comment and I said, I mean, give me a break. 395 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: He's thirty four. He just lost a huge playoff game. 396 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: He got replaced. You know, they kind of bailed on 397 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: him in Miami. He's fighting for his career. Give the 398 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: guy a break. Like at the end of my career, 399 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: if you if they could draft a talk show host, 400 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: I'll be fighting like mad too. Were you surprised the 401 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: blowback he got for a fairly innocuous comment on Malik Willow. 402 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot going on in the NFL 403 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: right now, so anything they get said, you know, people 404 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: are going to jump all over Um. I've touched on this. 405 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: I know the type of teammate Ryan is, and all 406 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you is the first couple of days 407 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: have been been really cool. Having three great quarterbacks on 408 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: our roster. Watching them helped Malik at practice. He's invited 409 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: the rookies over already. They've already been in his house, 410 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: They've had dinner. It's um, it's gonna be a good dynamic. 411 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: I said, I thought Malik was my favorite quarterback in 412 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: the draft, just because I thought his upside was huge 413 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: and there was intangibles about him. I thought he was 414 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: great at the podium, which I don't know if it 415 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: matters to a coach, but I was like Jesus, that 416 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: kid's good, like he knows how to answer stuff. And 417 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: it felt really authentic. I didn't feel he was BS 418 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: and me at the podium did. Were there intangibles not 419 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: just to play we were there are things like that 420 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: you looked at as a former player and thought, Okay, 421 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: that you can bring that guy in our room. Like 422 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: that's so. I mean, I think that you love the 423 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: play strength when you're talking about on the field, Uh, 424 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: really like his demeanor you know already just with these 425 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: rookies and handling the huddle, and it's a lot. I mean, 426 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: the first couple of days is a lot. I mean 427 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: we're throwing plays at him, more formations and motions and cadence, 428 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's a lot. And then coming 429 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: under center with you know, it's no fault to him. 430 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: They played in the shotgun and teach him how to 431 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: go under center and and run our offense. And when 432 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: we're in the gun and we're doing those things and 433 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: every day he's gotten better, you know, since last Friday, 434 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: he's gotten better each and every day. And um, so 435 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: it's just fun to coach. I don't you know. It's 436 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: the times I've seen little clips of you on YouTube. 437 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: You're not a real barker, but you've got like a 438 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: player's sense of humor. Like you can you you're you're 439 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: a motivator. You know, you can be kind of a 440 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: smart aliquate players. Like, how do you how do you 441 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: view yourself as verbally with players? I mean I have 442 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: a relationship with all of them. Sometimes that's a little 443 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: better than others. And the ones that want a chirp, 444 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't mind chirping. And because we have that type 445 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: of relationship, you know, so it's good. I mean I 446 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: you can't have that. You can't say those types of 447 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: things if you don't have a connection or a relationship right, 448 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And so when Bill and I would 449 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: do that and go back and forth, I was because 450 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: we had something that was built. I mean, I you know, 451 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: we'd build a connection. We've been there for eight years. 452 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean I remember one time, about my third or 453 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: fourth year, I did something wrong and I was mad. 454 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: So I went over and I sat on the offensive 455 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: side and the defense was over there and Bill was 456 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: making adjustments and I just went on the other side 457 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: and I was just going to pout. And he came 458 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: over and he said he looked like Terry Glenn's sitting 459 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: over here by yourself, because Terry was a wide receiver 460 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: at that time, and I was sitting where the wide 461 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: receivers were sitting, and I was like point made. And 462 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: I got up and I went out there and I 463 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: walked back, you know, and I got on the defensive side, 464 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: and you just kind of know, you know, you just 465 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: kind of know what's the right thing to say at 466 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: the right time. Was there a teammate you had as 467 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: a player that I mean, you were a big linebacker. Shit, 468 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: they don't make linebackers like you six four two fifty 469 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: who I was scared to death of William mc ginnis 470 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: and Richard Seymour. Why well, when I got there, I 471 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: was I had remembered being in college and we used 472 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: to watch like highlights of Willie McGinnis when we were 473 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: like sophomores in Ohio State. We're like, this is what 474 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna be one day. And I'm like, no, we're 475 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: never gonna be like that. It looked like the Fanjie 476 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: at USC and you know, our d line coach like 477 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Bill Young used to put on like his highlights and 478 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: we're like, what, we're not doing that? And then I 479 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: go and play and then I get up there and 480 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: it was like I wanted to do so well with 481 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: the guys that had been there, right because Ted Johnson 482 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: had been there, Teddy, Bruskie Willie, and I was like 483 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: the new guy coming in and it was like, how's 484 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: this guy gonna be and what it is to do 485 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: so well? And then we draft Seymour and I get 486 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: to play next to him and he set me up 487 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: for so many sacks. It was it was amazing. But 488 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: Richards was just the biggest, you know, I mean, very 489 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: similar to Jeff Simmons, you know, I mean just their 490 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: stature and how physically strong they are. You know, Bruce 491 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: Ki barely got recruited. I remember Brusky in the Pac 492 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: ten I think it was Pac ten Mike right. He 493 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: was an undersized lineman. It was like San Jose State defac. 494 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: Then he played Desert Swarm and I can remember in 495 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: He's one of the best defensive Pac twelve players I've 496 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life, and I remember thinking, I 497 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: don't think he can play on Sunday. He's too small. 498 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: So when you're when you're with Bruski on the field, 499 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: like he always felt undersized. In fact, when he worked 500 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: at the ESPN. I was like, here, he brought a 501 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: briefcase in one time he was running marathons, and I 502 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: was like, how the hell I understand it? What was 503 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: it with Bruce Key? Like, well, I mean I think 504 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: that there was just an attitude, you know what I mean. 505 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: There was just this part Filipino, part Italian that makes 506 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: up a pretty vicious combination. And that's how I used 507 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: to put it, you know. I mean he had this 508 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: bitterness to him and it was a toughness, but he 509 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: was also very engaging. He was very flexible, you know. 510 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean not only was he like he had a 511 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: great first step when he looked at him back at Arizona. 512 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: You know, he had this this power element, but he 513 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: had this like gumbiness to him that he could like 514 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: dip and move and bend and you know, he just 515 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: he's kind of made a lot of plays doing it. 516 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: He did. Speaking of you, is the game has become 517 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: more of a passing league. You're one of the exceptions 518 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: where you're a power team and old school team. You 519 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: were six four, two fifty and I look at you 520 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: and I think, God, they don't make a lot of 521 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: linebackers like you in today's game, Where would you play? 522 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: What would you do? How would you come be a 523 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: defensive end? I mean I'd probably or maybe i'd be 524 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: a pass catching tight end. I'm not sure. You know, 525 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: we were only we're only able to get you know, 526 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: you have to take these defensive ends in college and 527 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: make him outside linebackers. And you got to hope the 528 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: inside linebackers that are in today's game in college can 529 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: can hold up. You know. But we've got some guys 530 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: that you know aren't huge. But but David long And 531 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: played a lot of football for us last year, and 532 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're excited about where he's going to be 533 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: next year. But you know, he's not the biggest guy, 534 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: but plays fast, he plays physicals. Zach Cunningham is not 535 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: the biggest guy, but I think that they both play 536 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: with with a huge physical presence inside. So you know, 537 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: we're we can only evaluate the guys that are that 538 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: are coming out of college and that's what it is. Um. 539 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think Derrick Henry was going to be a 540 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: great pro obviously wrong. He had an interesting career. He 541 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: got drafted and he didn't I mean, he was kind 542 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: of a rotational guy for a while and then something popped. Mike, 543 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: take me back to his emergence from like sharing carries 544 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: to being unstoppable. Well, I think it got to be 545 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: a decisiveness, you know what I mean. It's like when 546 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: we're putting our scheme in, it was you know, where 547 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: do I fit? Where do I run? And you know, 548 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: I think finally just trusting the scheme, trusting the landmark. Um, 549 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: not trying to read too much. I think sometimes you 550 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: get in trouble at any position that they try to 551 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: see too much or you're you're trying to do too much. 552 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: And so I think he narrowed his focus. I think 553 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: that he uh, he continued to work on a stiff 554 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: arm and in a second level. That to me, that's 555 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is we got to just continue 556 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: to find ways to get him to the second level 557 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: and hope that magic happens, and it usually does. Who 558 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: was the hardest running back you tackled? I mean he 559 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: was certainly there because I was older in my career. 560 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis was was a load when I played him. Um, 561 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean Ladanian to young Lndani and Tomlinson, 562 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: those guys, those are hard guys. Preist homes Um, Ricky Williams, 563 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's just no shortage your 564 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: good backs linebacker today and linebacker in your day. Um, 565 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: you were hard nosed. I mean you were physical, really physical. Yeah. 566 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: Do you do you? Is there anybody that you watch 567 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: in this league and you see herself a little bit? Oh? No, 568 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean I just players get more, they get faster, 569 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: they get more athletic, and football is always going to 570 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: be physical. I don't care what scheme you run. I 571 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: mean there's going to be a physical presence to to 572 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: play in this game. So um, yeah, I mean I'm 573 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: not I don't. I don't look and say, oh that 574 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: guy reminds me of me. I'm I'm so far past 575 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: those days. I'm I'm trying to find out if if 576 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: we can get guys that can that can help us 577 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: win and play our style football. There's a piece of 578 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: video out there that you bang your head when you're 579 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: at Ohio State and you were banging your head. Yeah, 580 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Corey Linsley. Apparently his helmet's a lot stronger than everybody 581 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: else's helmets. Them up the grand Corey Lindsley and split 582 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: my head open. Um, did you ever think like I 583 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: think you fit in the NFL, but you do have 584 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: the physical presence to fit in college if you could 585 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: walk into a house and recruit kids. Was there over 586 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: a moment that you thought, I want to be the 587 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: buckeyehead coach. Forget the NFL thing. Um, yeah, I don't 588 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: know if I ever thought it. Then. I just after 589 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: three years of being in college. Spring spring was Spring 590 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: was tough, you know. I mean, having played and enjoying 591 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: coaching and watching baseball right when the kids are playing 592 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: baseball in the spring, that was kind of like my 593 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: time right when I was playing. And so then when 594 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: you go on the road for five days out of 595 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: the week and spring and you're gone and you miss 596 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: pitches and strikes and home runs and all that stuff, 597 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: it was like, man, maybe we ought to take this NFL. Look, 598 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: we we spent fourteen years there. We kind of know 599 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: the league. You know, let's see if we can do that. 600 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: And Billy called when he got job, and everything kind 601 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: of timed up college. It feels like a grind to me, 602 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: it really does. And now they have recruiting. Recruiting has 603 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: forced it to be a grind, and it's like, you know, 604 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: urban you say, it's like Recruiting is like shaving. If 605 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: you take a day off, you're gonna look like a bump. 606 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: And you're just everybody you're recruiting. I mean I talked 607 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: to a coach today invited them to be on our 608 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: part of our internship program for training camp, the Bill 609 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: Walsh Program. And I called him and I just said, hey, 610 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, excited to offer you the position. And he said, 611 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: I said, what's going on? He's like, man, we got 612 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: three official visits today, tomorrow, Friday. Like, we got nine 613 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: kids coming in transfer portal. It's out of control, but 614 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, we got to take them if they're looking 615 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: to come to our place or they're going to go somewhere. 616 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like official visits. I think it's 617 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: May and they're coming on official visits, so it is 618 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: your round. Yeah, well you a good recruiter. Yeah that 619 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: was a good recruiter. Were you what was yourself? Well, 620 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: you're selling the Buckeyes. Yeah, it wasn't when you when 621 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: you coach it Ohio State. Um, it's not very hard 622 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: to recruit, you know, it really isn't. Um. Yeah, No, 623 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: I felt like I did a nice job recruiting. I mean, 624 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: the players that we were looking for and targeting, and 625 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, you always lose a couple, but but you 626 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: get some too. There's housing bubbles, there's tech bubbles, there's 627 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: stock market bubbles. And during the last six months, I've 628 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: been joking on the air like we're in a wide 629 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: receiver bubble. Tyreek Hilges for five picks. I remember when 630 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: I was on the air and I'm like, the hell 631 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: of that five picks? Randy Moss went for like a 632 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: fourth to New England and you know, a J Brown 633 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: he's on the market. There's picks stuff going on. Part 634 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: of me is just Mike thinks, Okay, I like, I 635 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: like my receivers, but god, you gotta win the line 636 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Did you look at this offseason a little bit, 637 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: all these moves at wide receiver and think we've kind 638 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: of lost our way in the value of it? Or 639 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: do you like think the world's changing in this league? No? 640 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I know that that every 641 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: situation is different, and I know that everybody gets the 642 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: same amount to spend, and you know you have to 643 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: make decisions, you have to make tough decisions, and so um, 644 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where the receiver market's 645 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: gonna end up. I mean, I know the good players 646 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: deserve to be compensated, and that's nature of professional sports. Um, 647 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: but you also have to work within a salary cap 648 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: and you have to try to find a way to 649 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: continue to do what's best for the entire team. And 650 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: so I don't know, I don't know where the market's going. 651 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: I know that, um, you know, the salary CAP's going 652 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: to continue to go up. Specifically about AJ, you know, 653 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: I think everybody knows my relationship with AJ, and you 654 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: know how much that meant to me. And I hope 655 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: him and we've had conversations, you know, since he's been traded. 656 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: It's just it makes you sick, right like he's Yeah. 657 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, just you have a personal side of this 658 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: thing when you try to do it like we try 659 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: to do it and make a connection and you know, 660 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: care about these guys off the field and making sure 661 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: that they're they're healthy, you know, mentally and physically. Yeah, 662 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: there's a business side to it too, and that's that's 663 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: what everybody you know, you have to understand that. And 664 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: I and if you put a lot into something and 665 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, guys move on, you have to make cuts, 666 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: you release guys, and so that's the hard part of them. 667 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: But I don't want to not going to change the 668 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: way that we coach. I don't want our coaches or 669 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: myself or anybody here to change the connections that we 670 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: try to make to teach them. A lot of young 671 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: coaches Mike um struggle to relinquish during a game their 672 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: side of the ball. It's it's I've seen a lot 673 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: of coaches that it's like, Okay, this is my job, 674 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: this is my last chance. I feel like when I 675 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: watch you're kind of holistically teaching the whole unit. You 676 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: bounce around. You're like, I would call it, this is 677 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: a compliment. I bounce around, coach, You're always kind of 678 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: it Was that an easy thing or your first year 679 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: where you like manic about what time of time I 680 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: want to control my space? Yeah? No, I mean I 681 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: felt like that was how I wanted to do it. 682 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: You get you know, I figure, once you get hired 683 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: as a head coach, you've got one chance to do it, 684 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: and then so you better do it the way that 685 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you think is best. And you know, you try to 686 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: hire good people, let them do their job, and you 687 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: try to manage the game and give suggestions, and again 688 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: I want to be good enough to say, hey, let's 689 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: what do you think about this? On special teams. And 690 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: then everybody made a big deal or it was joked 691 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: about when when I said, how are you gonna, you know, 692 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: call the defense or the offense at any point in time. 693 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: You get to call whatever play you want. You're the 694 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: head coach, right, It was a joke, but it was like, seriously, 695 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: if I want to run a fake punt, run a 696 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: fake punt. If it doesn't work, it's on you know. 697 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: Everything that doesn't work is on me. That's that's how 698 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: it goes. I'm okay with that. So I try to 699 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: give input. I try to help and you know, respect 700 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: of the play caller and trying to make those suggestions 701 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: in enough time that they can make a call and 702 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: so that it doesn't affect the team. Finally, Tom's last 703 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: game in New England, you coached against them and beat 704 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: him with the spick six. All the years you practice 705 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: against him, was there? I mean obviously the answers, Yes, 706 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: there are things that you just instinctively know about Tom 707 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: because you practiced against them every damn day. What there 708 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: is no secret sauce, But are there little things you 709 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, I saw this a thousand times at practice, 710 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: this makes Tom uncomfortable? Anything, Well, it was more or 711 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: less just the And I told this analogy when we 712 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: went up there in the playoffs. It was the line 713 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: from the movie Catch Me if you can, when the 714 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: dad says to the sun, you know, you know why 715 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: the Yankees always win, and the kid goes because they 716 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: have Mickey Mantle and the dad says no, because everybody's 717 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: always staring at the pinstripes. And the point was, don't 718 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: look over there and see it as Tom Brady and 719 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: be like, oh my gosh, how many banners. It was like, 720 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: just go play our game. Here's here's what we know 721 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: about him. They're gonna mix tempo or he's gonna go 722 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: you know. So that was the biggest point that I 723 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: could probably take about playing against you know, Tom and 724 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: Patriots at that point in time. I think his arm strength. 725 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 1: I honestly feel his release is faster. That's the weirdest thing. 726 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: Like it's weirder. Wasn't there a movie where the kid 727 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: like had a tendance surgery or something like the Rookie 728 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: of the Year and he was like a little kid, 729 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: and he was like throwing ninety five. I think Tom 730 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: had that surgery apparently. No, Hey Mike, I appreciate it. 731 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: You're a busy guy. Thank you for talking to us. 732 00:40:44,520 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it and enjoyed the conversation the volume. 733 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I 734 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: brought Draymond Green into the volume because one of the 735 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: more entertaining voices in sports. 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