1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome Podcast Playground. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast. Music history on 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: foot No podcast covers music storytelling like Taking a Walk. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: If you like what you hear, please share it with 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: your friends. We're available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, podcast Playground, 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts. On Taking a Walk, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: Buzznight covers all genres and eras, from new artists to 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: Hall of famers and everyone in between. On this episode, 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: we welcome an artist who's been working at his craft 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: his entire life. Johnny Polanski is a multi instrumentalist, a singer, songwriter, 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: and a record producer. He's worked with Johnny Cash and 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: he's been produced by Rick Rubin. His new release on 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: Loose Groove Records is called The Rise of the Rebel Angels. 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: We welcome Johnny Polonski on the next Taking a Walk. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: Well, Yakshimar, Johnny, thanks for being on Takeing a Walk, 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: albeit virtually. 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 4: All right, thanks for having me so. 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: Congrats on the Rise of the Rebel Angels, your eighth album. 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 3: And it's amazing thinking that you already have your ninth 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: album in the can already. What's your creative process that 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: leads to so much great work? 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I've been The first record I put 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 5: out came out in the mid nineties, so eight nine. 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 5: That's not that many, really, But I just write a lot, 25 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 5: you know, I'll go through phases two. 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm I'm always kind of messing around. 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 5: With whether it's guitar or keyboards or just kind of 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 5: playing around with ideas or working on I'm always sort 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 5: of tinkering in some way, and sometimes it's very full 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: thrust where I'm like really actively writing, either just because 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 5: i feel like it, because I have a project that 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 5: I'm working towards. 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: I just like. 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: Doing it, so I do it, you know what I mean. 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 5: And it's something I don't know. I've always just been 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 5: drawn to writing songs and making music and it's still 37 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 5: endlessly fascinating to me. It's sort of like that cliche 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 5: like the more you know, the more you realize how 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 5: much you don't know. And it's just mysterious and fun 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 5: and like I mean, even if it's very I mean, 41 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 5: it can be anything you want it to be, you know, 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 5: It's like, and it's what I do is basically just chords, 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: melody and words, you know what I mean. And with 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: that simple I do, it's not really a formula. It's 45 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 5: three ingredients, like you can kind of do anything. And 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 5: I love all sorts of music, and I love. 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: Well. I don't like being bored. 48 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: You know that. That's something that is a constant. I 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 5: get frustrated very easily. So I'm always looking for ways 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: to stay engaged. And I mean just in life in general, 51 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 5: and in the music I make. 52 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: Just finding ways to. 53 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: Just keep things going and keep getting better and keep 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: you know, getting better at the craft, and just learning 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 5: from the people. Like you know, I have lots of 56 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 5: heroes and just people that really inspire me and you know, 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 5: continuously blow me away, whether they're alive or dead or 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 5: friends or whatever. You got to do something, you know 59 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 5: what I mean, Like what are you gonna do? It's 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: like work your dumb job and pay your rent, you 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like we're lucky people that get 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 5: to make stuff. I mean, anybody can make stuff, really, 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I just decided I'm gonna 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 5: do it. 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, do you remember that first time you picked 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: up a guitar. 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 5: I don't remember the very first time, but was in 68 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 5: fourth grade and my teacher, mister Spangenberger, used to on 69 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: Fridays used to bring out a his. 70 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: Acoustic guitar and he would play us leaving on a jet, 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: playing John Denver and Who'd. 72 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: Like like, you know, old folk songs, ear Canal stuff 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 5: like that, and sometimes Beatle tunes. 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 4: And I was completely in. 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 5: Love with the Beatles, like ever since I was five, 76 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 5: like long before I started playing. My parents had a 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: pretty good record collection, pretty big record collection, and I 78 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 5: gravitated towards the remember those the Red and Blue Greatest 79 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 5: hits of the Beatles that came out sometime in the seventies. Yeah, 80 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 5: I was completely enamored of the Red one. I was 81 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 5: totally obsessed, and I, you know, brought it upstairs and 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 5: had like my little, you know, portal record player, and 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 5: that's all I did was I listen to She Loves 84 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 5: You over and over. And when mister Spangenberger started playing, 85 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't even know if it was 86 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: necessarily a light bulb going off my head. 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: It was just sort of like, oh, like you can 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: actually do this, you know. 89 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: And so I wanted to learn how to play guitar, 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 5: and my hands were too small. It was only I 91 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 5: guess nine. So he suggested my parents to get to 92 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 5: get me a baritone ukulele, which is the top four 93 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 5: strings of the guitar. And so they got me that, 94 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 5: and I just taught myself, like I just got a 95 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: mel Bay chord book, and you know, I borrowed mister 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 5: Spangenberger's book of He had this awesome book of lyrics 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 5: like the chords written. 98 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 4: Over it, and you know, I just. 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 5: Totally went to town, like I would do it for hours, 100 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 5: like hours, you know what I mean, Like when you're 101 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: a little kid, and the kind of focus you have 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 5: when you've got just nothing, you know what I mean, 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 5: like you just just you just living your life and 104 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: going to school. So I was completely obsessed and that 105 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 5: was an incredible feeling. So I don't remember the first 106 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: time I played a guitar. I'm sure he let me, 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: you know, sit down and mess around with it. But 108 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: after I learned, you know, a few songs, you know, 109 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 5: I would I would get up and perform with the 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 5: class to do like Duran Durant stuff like that. But 111 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 5: that was one thing too, Like it's it's sort of 112 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 5: interesting in retrospect, like I didn't really buy that many 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 5: records growing up, but my mom would always buy me 114 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 5: sheet music, like I would ask, you know, I would 115 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: want the. 116 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: Sheet music, which is kind of cool. 117 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 5: Like it was sort of strange to me realizing, you know, 118 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 5: years later, like my record collection wasn't huge really like 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 5: at the start, but I wanted to do it, you know, 120 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 5: like I wanted to Like I watched you know, tons 121 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: of MTV. A radio was around, but I didn't really 122 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 5: listen to radio so much. It was really I was 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 5: the you know, the prime candidate for MTV generation. 124 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: I was. 125 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 5: Eight when it came out. That's all I did. I 126 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 5: would like sit down in the basement and like I. 127 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 4: Don't know, I mean I remember distinctly. I would watch 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: like six eight hours of TV like every day. 129 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: Like I don't know how I like man to fit 130 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 5: that all in like and still go to school. Like 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 5: I watched so much TV growing up. I don't I 132 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 5: don't even own a TV now, but like I learned 133 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 5: so much just from watching MTV. 134 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: And you know, theme songs were great back then. 135 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 5: I mean I don't know how they are now, but 136 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 5: like they were really good, you know, like like good 137 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: Times and the Jeffersons and I mean Quincy Jones wrote 138 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 5: the theme to Sanford and Son you know what I mean, God, 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 5: welcome back Cotter John Sebastian. Uh, incredible themes. So I learned. 140 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 5: I had a great guitar teacher too, Scot Jeff Jacobs, 141 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 5: who I studied with about two or three or four 142 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 5: years maybe, and he taught me some theory and you know, 143 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 5: he was a huge influence too, Like he turned me 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 5: on Frank Zappa and loves of invention, and it was 145 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: just you know, and he would just kick my ass 146 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 5: like I never practiced, and he was just like an 147 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: older you know, he's a teacher, He's my teacher, and 148 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 5: it was just somebody that even though I really never practiced, 149 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: like it was just I learned a ton just from 150 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 5: being around him and the few times I did practice. 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 4: You know, But what was the question? 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: Well, you grew up in an amazing area in Chicago, 153 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: and you got to visit in your teen years some 154 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: pretty amazing venues. Talk about what it was like being 155 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 3: a teenager going to the Metro or to the. 156 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: Riviera or the Aragon. What was that like? 157 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: Incredible? 158 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 5: I grew up in willmet which is two cities north 159 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 5: of Chicago along the Lake. There's Chicago Evanston where Eddie 160 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 5: Vedder's from and. 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: Will met And. 162 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 5: One of the great things about will Mett is that 163 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 5: it's the last stop on the L train, you know, 164 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 5: the train, subway or whatever. So I would I mean, 165 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 5: starting around twelve years old, I would go into Chicago. 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 5: I'll tell my parents I was going to the library, 167 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 5: but really I was. 168 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 4: I had this older friend named Cleopatrick, that was his 169 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 4: real name. I was. I was about twelve, he. 170 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 5: Was like twenty eight, twenty nine something like that, and 171 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 5: he was a Jimmy Hendrix imitator. I was completely obsessed 172 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 5: with Jimmy Hendrix. And so I would go. I would 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 5: take the train like two hours, like deep into the ghetto, 174 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 5: like the worst part of Chicago. Jackson and Karloff just 175 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: like yeah, it's just like a really bad section. And 176 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 5: we would just hang out in the basement. And he 177 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: had like a whole wall of vintage Marshall stacks and 178 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 5: old stratocasters and fuzz pedals. That was incredible, and I 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 5: saw I do stuff like that. I would go to 180 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 5: I mean not quite when I was twelve, but like 181 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 5: a little older. I would go to shows with the Metro. 182 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I've I spent years at that club. I 183 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: remember seeing the Chili Peppers in nineteen eight. That was 184 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 5: a mind blower, and I used to I guess around 185 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 5: fourteen or so, I started going in the afternoon, like 186 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 5: I would choke for soundcheck, not at the Metro, but 187 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: like a bigger place like through Riviera. 188 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 4: I would just dress all I was just dressed. 189 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 5: In black anyway back then, but like I was just 190 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 5: dress in black because I noticed all the security guards 191 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 5: dressed in black. So even though I was fourteen, like 192 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: nobody questioned me, Like they just assumed there was like 193 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 5: a short security guard or something. I go to soundchecks 194 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 5: and like I'd started making tapes and I would, you know, 195 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 5: using as an excuse to go backstage and meet people. 196 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: I was just telling someone this. The other day. 197 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 5: I went to South to a Sonic Youth soundcheck on 198 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 5: the Dirty Tour and early nineties. 199 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: I was much older by that. I was like nineteen 200 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: or twenty. 201 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 5: But I went backstage after the soundcheck and talked to 202 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: Thirst and more. 203 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: I was like, can you get me on the list? 204 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: It's like, why are already here? 205 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 5: I was like, I know, but I need to go 206 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: home and have dinner with my mom, And so I did, 207 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: like I ten, We had dinner with my mom and 208 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 5: came back for the show and he put me on 209 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 5: the list of total gent It was an incredible show. 210 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean Chicago. I don't know how it 211 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: is so much now. I haven't been back in a while, 212 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: but growing up there was really incredible. The Riviera the Aragon, 213 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 5: which I ended up playing opening for audio sleeve like 214 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 5: many years later, which was incredible. 215 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: The VIC. 216 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 5: I used to live Katie corner from the VIC on Belmont, 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: and yeah, great venues. There was a great time in music, 218 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 5: in the culture in general. But yeah, I was really lucky. 219 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 5: Like if I'd have lived in a different city, even 220 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 5: one city over, it would have been a lot harder 221 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 5: to get. 222 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: Into the city. 223 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 5: Well, I mean there was still like the Amtrak, but 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 5: that was because I lived the block from that too. 225 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: That was just a lot more expensive. 226 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: That was like eight bucks a ride I think each way, 227 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 5: and the l was like I think like seveny oercents 228 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: or something like that. 229 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: You know, you almost created sort of an MBA program 230 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: by accident with your crazy forur to one one calls 231 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: that you used to make. 232 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Can you talk about some of those four to one 233 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: one calls? I love that story. 234 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 235 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 5: I mean back when people had landlines and you'd call 236 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 5: full on One directory information, you'd just say what city 237 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 5: you wanted and give the person's name. That was more 238 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 5: like I was around I guess seventeen or eighteen. I 239 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 5: was listening to Tom Waits the album Frank's Wild Years, 240 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 5: which I really loved, and I really fell in love 241 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 5: with the guitar player Mark Ribo. 242 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: His playing was just incredible to me and just so. 243 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 5: Creative and outlandish and really funny, and I just had 244 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 5: a feeling, and this is my insane teenage thinking about 245 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: was like, I bet he's really nice and really smart 246 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 5: and really funny, and he's got to live somewhere, right, 247 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 5: you know, and he's you know, he's legendary now, but 248 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 5: back then, you know, not so much. 249 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: Early nineties. 250 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 5: So I just called full on One, and you know, 251 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 5: I think I just assumed he lived in New York 252 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 5: or something. You know, back then, pre internet, you didn't 253 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 5: really have any information on anybody, especially if they were 254 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: a little more obscure, and he was in the phone book. 255 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: So I just called him up and made friends and 256 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 5: you know, told him I was a teenager from Chicago, 257 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 5: and I was a huge fan. 258 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: I would pepper him with questions and he was real 259 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: gracious and. 260 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 5: Helpful and answer everything, and you know, I'd started sending 261 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 5: him tapes and he loved him. It was And that 262 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 5: was an incredible too, just having the support and encouragement 263 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 5: of somebody older than me, who was way more experienced 264 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 5: and someone I really looked up to and who's music 265 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 5: I really loved. And you know, in retrospect, like I 266 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 5: think it's natural if you're really serious about doing something 267 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 5: to seek out a mentor that wasn't. I wasn't intentionally 268 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: doing that, and I wasn't. It did end up being networking, 269 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: I guess, but I wasn't thinking about that at all. 270 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 5: It was just like I love these people like I 271 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 5: want to know them, you know, like when you're a 272 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: kid and you think because you know someone's music, you 273 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 5: know them, or that you want to know them. And 274 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: a lot of times it does work out that the 275 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 5: art and the person are very similar, sometimes not, but 276 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: I have very few experiences. 277 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: Where it went awry. 278 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 5: And I mean a lot of those people, some of 279 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 5: them are you know, are old dear friends now, Like 280 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 5: I was a huge Frank Zappa fan. 281 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: I remember getting stealing a couple hundred bucks. 282 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: My parents dock George so I could buy scalped first 283 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: Row Center tickets for his last tour in Chicago. And 284 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 5: a couple of years later, I called director assistance for 285 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 5: Scott Tunis, the bass player, just because I would watch 286 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: this the live video does humor belonging music over and 287 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 5: over again. Me and my brother would watch that, and he, 288 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 5: you know, Scott, out of everybody for some reasons, seemed 289 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 5: very extra vibrant and funny and just an incredible player. 290 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 5: And I don't know, I was eighteen. I was like, 291 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 5: I want to know that guy. So I called him up, 292 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: and he's one of my oldest, dearest friends. You know, 293 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 5: we became great friends. 294 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: That's the thing. You know. 295 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 5: It's like music really does bring people together, you know. 296 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: I mean, these are like really ridiculous circumstances, but. 297 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: I don't know, I never. 298 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 5: Understood why people no one else really was doing that, 299 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 5: you know, And now it's easy, it's never been easier 300 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 5: to reach people, but it's also never been harder to 301 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: reach people because all you have to do is just 302 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 5: ignore an email. 303 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: I think it's a fantastic story because it shows your 304 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: passion for your work and it shows that you've got 305 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: some balls. 306 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I love it, you know. 307 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 308 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 5: I was just in love with music and really enamored 309 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: of these musicians and I just wanted to know them 310 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 5: and learn from them. 311 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: And you know, tell me what your experience was like 312 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: at the Berkeley Gool of Music in Boston. 313 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: I mean Berkeley. 314 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: I just went to let's see, Okay, so I graduated 315 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 5: high school. 316 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: I went to a semester of Northern. 317 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: Illinois in DeKalb, Illinois, and I just slept most of 318 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 5: the time because I had mono and I also was 319 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 5: completely uninterested in school. And that was right when Nirvana 320 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: hit and I was just you know, it was just 321 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 5: a really incredible time. And that's really when I went 322 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 5: into overdrive, which just like calling people up and sending 323 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: them my tapes and I was, you know, recording a 324 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 5: ton and just very fertile creative period. And after semester, 325 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 5: I quit and joined this band called White Fat Farm, 326 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 5: which is an incredible band. 327 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: They were a lot older than me. 328 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: Well at the time, you know, I was eighteen, they 329 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 5: were like mid twenties, late twenties. I learned so much 330 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 5: from being in that band, for I mean no one's 331 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 5: ever heard of them. It's like they never released any music, 332 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 5: but incredible songs and just this guy, Mike Smith, who's 333 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 5: the singer and songwriter. I mean, I would still be 334 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 5: writing songs and playing guitar obviously if I hadn't been 335 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: involved with them, but he's been as influential on me 336 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 5: as anybody John Lennon or Jimmy Hendrix or whoever. I 337 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 5: did that for about seven months and quit, and I 338 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: was just sort of floating around, and my aunt from 339 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 5: Boston came to visit, and I was just sort of aimless, 340 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 5: not knowing what to do with myself, and she suggested 341 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 5: going to Berkeley, which I really had no interest in. 342 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: But by that point i'd been a band with David 343 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 5: Bowie and Reese Gabrel's and the Sales Brothers. I knew 344 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: Reisabrell has lived in Boston. I think we might have 345 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 5: already been friends by that. 346 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 4: I forget. 347 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 5: He was another person that was a huge early supporter. 348 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 5: I called him up and was, you know, would send 349 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 5: him tapes and the same thing as Rebo, just like 350 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 5: you know, ask him a thousand questions and he would 351 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 5: answer everything and just very very supportive of what I 352 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 5: was doing. 353 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: So I was like, yeah, I'll go to Boston. You know, 354 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: I had no intention. 355 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 5: Of really didn't. I didn't care about the school. I 356 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 5: just wanted to be close to Reeves, so that's what 357 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 5: I did. So I went there a couple semesters and 358 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 5: I went to classes and everything, but I really apparently 359 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 5: they've put a lot of money into it and it's 360 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 5: supposed to be a good school now, but it was 361 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 5: a dump when I was there. I had a guitar 362 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 5: teacher who suggested I quit, so I really didn't care. 363 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: Like my and my roommate had left. So I had 364 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 5: this huge dorm all to myself, and all I did 365 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 5: was smoke weed and listen to Pavement and my Bloody 366 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 5: Valentine and record on my four track and hang with 367 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 5: my friends. And I hooked up with the Reeves like 368 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: he was really really great, just took me around and 369 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: introduced me to everybody in his circle. So I had 370 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 5: a community and I started playing with other people and yeah, 371 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: that was a great time. Yeah, so the school, you know, 372 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: I really didn't learn to anything from Berkeley. 373 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: But I had a good time. 374 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: So you did the infamous iPhone demos, and do you 375 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: think now if you did those iPhone demos that because 376 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: of technology changing with the phone, they would have been 377 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: much different at all. 378 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, when you're a kid, especially, like 379 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 5: you just use whatever you have at your disposal. You know, 380 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 5: sometimes I wonder what it'd be like being a teenager. 381 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 5: Now it's got to be so bewildering, like there's just 382 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 5: endless choice of everything and so much craziness in the 383 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 5: world more than ever. But yeah, I mean I feel 384 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: really lucky that all I had was a cassette for 385 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 5: track and a broken mic from radio shack and you know, 386 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: a handful of instruments. 387 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 4: At home, and. 388 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: It's you know, limitations forced you to use your imagination 389 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 5: and to when you have you know, there's nothing wrong 390 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 5: with technology, Like every tool is just a tool. 391 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: So it's great. 392 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: And I've got pro tools now on my computer, and 393 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 5: you know, I've got a program that's got quite literally 394 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 5: I think, like ten thousand sounds or something like that. 395 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 5: So it's amazing to have all that at your disposal. 396 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: But it's. 397 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 5: It was really great for me, especially learning how to 398 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: make things work with very few options. So I don't know, 399 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 5: like I like both, but I do miss I'm always 400 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 5: kind of trying to get back to the state of 401 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 5: mind of when I was just starting out, and you know, 402 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 5: my mindset back then was I'm just messing around, like 403 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 5: I'm just trying stuff. I think that's a great way 404 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: to approach things. When you don't take things too seriously, 405 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 5: then you can really do anything, and you can go 406 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: anywhere and you're not bound to any style or any 407 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 5: kind of anything, you know, especially like once it's easy, 408 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: like putting stuff out in the world, to pay too 409 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 5: much attention to how people might perceive you or what 410 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 5: you've done in the past. It might have gotten a 411 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: good reaction, whatever, none of it matters really, I mean 412 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 5: it's great, like like I want I put stuff out 413 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: because I want to reach people, and I love when 414 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: I do when they respond positively. You know, the point 415 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: is just me doing my thing and regardless of like 416 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 5: how people respond, you know, sometimes they like it, they don't, 417 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 5: But all that really matters is just me living my 418 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 5: life and just like doing what I want to do, 419 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 5: which sounds overly simplistic but can be very difficult to 420 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 5: really pull off sometimes. 421 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: What's your take on artificial intelligence now in and around 422 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: recording music? 423 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 4: It's interesting. 424 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 5: I've listened to a few of those tracks, and you know, 425 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 5: it's kind of funny, you know, hearing whatever like John 426 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 5: Lennon singing an Oasis song or. 427 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: Something like that. I don't know, it'd be interesting, is 428 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: what happens with it. 429 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 5: I don't have any I mean, people are some people 430 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: are freaking out about it, the same way people freaked 431 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 5: out about drum machines, like they're going to replace drummers, 432 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 5: and it's just another tool. 433 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: Hopefully they won't replace humans on the planet. 434 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 5: But other than that, I don't really have I don't 435 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 5: really have much of an opinion on an AI. 436 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: It's still such early days. 437 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 5: I mean I check it out every once in a while, 438 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 5: but I'm not overly obsessed with technology like I never 439 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 5: have been. 440 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: Like I love guitars and. 441 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 5: You know, I have enough knowledge with computers and pro 442 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: tools to do what I need to do. But I'm 443 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 5: not like a pro tools whiz, and I'm not a 444 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 5: programming whiz. I just know enough to do what I 445 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 5: want to do, and sometimes not even that much, you know, 446 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 5: So I'm not You know, technology is interesting, but after 447 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 5: a certain point, I don't really care. 448 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: Your first moment you met Johnny Cash and that ultimately 449 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: worked with him. 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Tell me about that experience. 451 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 5: I never met him, I had the opportunity to meet him. 452 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 5: I was I went to a Cash show at the 453 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 5: Pantagious Theater in La Beck was opening. 454 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 4: That was an incredible experience. I was just out in 455 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 4: LA visiting. 456 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: I wasn't living there yet, but I was already on 457 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 5: American on the label and Rick came up to me 458 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 5: and asked if I wanted to meet Johnny Cash. I 459 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 5: was really drunk, and I fool she said no. Like 460 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 5: you know, internally, I was like, oh, I can't meet 461 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: Johnny Cash. I'm too drunk, you know, which is ridiculous, 462 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: Like thinking that, you know, Johnny Cash is going to 463 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 5: judge you for being too drunk. It's like thinking that, 464 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 5: let me's going to judge you for being too high 465 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 5: on speed or something. I really wish I would have 466 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 5: met him, but I didn't. But I ended up playing 467 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 5: like years later, like two twenty I guess twenty years ago, 468 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 5: almost two thousand and four, two thousand and five, I 469 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 5: was living in LA and I reconnected with Rick Rick 470 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 5: Ruber and he asked me to play on There was 471 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: a I think like sixty unreleased songs in various forms 472 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 5: of completion. It was me and Smoky Hormel, who was 473 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 5: a great guitar player and bass player and he's played back, 474 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 5: and Tom Waits and Mike and Benmont from Tom Petting 475 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 5: the Heartbreakers, and it's a great guitar player named Matt Sweeney. 476 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 5: All of us were in Rick's basement which was converted 477 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 5: to a studio, and for about I guess two weeks 478 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 5: before Christmas and two weeks after Christmas, we just plowed 479 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: through about sixty songs. That was an incredible experience, you know, 480 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 5: I mean, just playing with those players alone was really amazing. 481 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: It's just so easy. 482 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 5: That was one of the things that was so surprising, 483 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 5: I guess, I mean not so surprising, but like a 484 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: pleasant surprise. Was like, wow, this is like so easy to 485 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 5: play with these people, you know, it's just very everyone's 486 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 5: just so good and there's no egos and people just 487 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 5: do it, you know what I mean. 488 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: There's no stumbling over doubt or trepidation or anything like that, 489 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 4: just playing music. 490 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 5: And a lot of those songs never got released either, 491 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 5: A bunch did so I'm on I think it's American 492 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 5: four and five which is maybe like twenty songs or 493 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 5: twenty five songs, but yeah, there's a there's a bunch 494 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: that's still unreleased. 495 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: That was an amazing experience. That was surreal. 496 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 5: I mean I grew up listening to Johnny Cash, you know, 497 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: I remember driving around well met, you know, just like 498 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 5: listening to the Sun the Sun recordings, And yeah, I 499 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 5: played on the last. 500 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: Song he ever wrote, like the four or nine Creditors, 501 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 4: three or nine. 502 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 5: I always forget there's a Beach Boys song, the three 503 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 5: or nine four. 504 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: Nine, the three on nine. 505 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 5: That's the Johnny calf songo is the Beach Boys songs. 506 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: You must have learned a lot from Rick Rue been 507 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: uh in your in your time with him, What did 508 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: he teach you about sort of looking inward? 509 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: I mean I learned a ton from being around Rick. 510 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 5: For me, the most obvious things that come to mind 511 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: are just, you know, when making a record, just surrounding 512 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 5: yourself with the right people. He just hires. I mean, 513 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 5: there's a lot of great musicians in the world. There's 514 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 5: a lot of people that can do it. It's just 515 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 5: about hiring the right people for the particular project. And 516 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: he's just really good at It's like a casting director, 517 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: like you know, it's just like you get the right 518 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: people for the part, and it's pretty smooth sailing. Like 519 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 5: he doesn't really say much because he hires the right 520 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 5: people that kind of know what to do, but when 521 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: something needs to be said, he's very clear and direct 522 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: and you know exactly what he means. He's very articulate, 523 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 5: and especially for a non musician like I think he 524 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 5: plays a little guitar, but like he's basically a non musician, 525 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 5: but he's way more articulate it when it comes to 526 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 5: talking about music or arrangements then almost every musician I've 527 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 5: ever played with I also used to I was the 528 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 5: guitar tech for Audio Slave for a couple of years, 529 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 5: and I was around when that's how Rick and I 530 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 5: reconnected because he was producing their second record and I 531 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 5: had become their guitar tech. So I was there, you know, 532 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 5: every day when he would be in pre production with them. 533 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 5: So that was really interesting watching him dissect the songs. 534 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 5: And obviously they're great songwriters anyway, great band, but he 535 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 5: would just make suggestions to see just to mess around 536 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 5: and experiment and see if they couldn't make it better 537 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 5: if they tried this or this, if this move this here, 538 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 5: maybe try a bridge, maybe take away a bridge, you know, 539 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 5: all these little suggestions. 540 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: I guess that's it. 541 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 5: Really, it's just surrounding yourself with the right people and 542 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 5: communicating very directly. 543 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 4: And there's never. 544 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 5: A really nice person, you know what I mean, Like 545 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: you never get a there's not a shred of like 546 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 5: dictator vibe or anything like that. But he's very much 547 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 5: in control, like he's it kind of carries this weight 548 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: of like he's the man, but he's not arrogant, you know. 549 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 4: So it's nice to that's what you want. 550 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 5: You want you want to, you know, in that kind 551 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 5: of situation, like you want to feel like somebody's steering 552 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 5: the ship, even if we're all like a part of 553 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 5: it and contributing. 554 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: You've had such a fascinating group of people that you've 555 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 3: you've been around, uh through your career. I think of 556 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, Frank Black and Pete Yorn and you know, 557 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: just this incredibly you know, diverse group. Is there somebody 558 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: that you've recently discovered that's of a more vintage nature 559 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: that you just got turned onto? And is there someone 560 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: conversely brand new that you've just gotten turned too? 561 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 5: It's just great Japanese guitar player. He's dead now, Takashi Terayuchi. 562 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 5: It's amazing surf guitar player. 563 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: Great. 564 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 5: I mean, like tons of albums, like they're all on 565 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: Spotify and they're all in Japanese, so I have no 566 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 5: idea what the titles are, but excellent guitar player and 567 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 5: like really creative and. 568 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: Just strange, wonderful. 569 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 5: And as far as contemporary bands, I recently fell in 570 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: love with Fiddler. 571 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 4: I love to spand Fiddler. They've got a bunch of records. 572 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 5: Just a great, really energetic, fun kind of agro punk band, 573 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: very melodic from San Diego. 574 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: I believe. I like them a lot. 575 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: So when you think of the beauty of live performance 576 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: and you're going to be you just recently, you know, 577 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: did the show in Brooklyn, and I know you've got 578 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: other shows going on. Does the electricity of live performance 579 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 3: ever change in a different way for you? 580 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 4: Hmm? 581 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's always different depending on the venue, in 582 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 5: the crowd, and but whatever, like like I mean you 583 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 5: mean in terms of like now versus a few decades ago, Yeah, 584 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 5: oh not really. I mean maybe I'm more confident now 585 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 5: or just less full of doubt, which I guess is 586 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 5: the same thing, you know what I mean. It's like 587 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 5: you just go up and do it, you know what 588 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 5: I mean. I'm not in a jaded way. 589 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: It's just like I still get nervous sometimes, but I think. 590 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: It's a good thing. It's really just sort of getting 591 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 5: charged up. And I mean nervous might even be the 592 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 5: wrong word. I get nervous if like I feel like 593 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: my voice isn't up to par, or if the band 594 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: doesn't know that, if I don't have confidence in the band, whatever. 595 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 4: But I'm playing with really good players right now and 596 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: I feel really good. Hitch, go up and do it. 597 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 5: You know, it's it really so Yeah, I really enjoy 598 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 5: I love playing live. 599 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 4: I really want to get on tour. That's the ideal. 600 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 5: It's just so expensive, you know, it's really expensive to tour, 601 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 5: and there's obviously got to be a demand or unless 602 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 5: you're getting on like a tour with a bigger act. 603 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 5: So that's that's the quest right now. It's just trying 604 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: to get on the road. 605 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: How did you get so comfortable in front of a camera. 606 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 4: Aren't we all in front of a camera? Now? Yeah, 607 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 4: that's true, that's just life. I don't know I mean, 608 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: I'm not it's I mean, right now, it's. 609 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 5: Not a big deal, but like in general, like they're 610 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 5: very unnatural situations. 611 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, cameras are everywhere now. 612 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: So when you think about the ninth album coming out, 613 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: it's going to come out. 614 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: It's later in the fall, right, either. 615 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 4: The fall or early next year one of the too. 616 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: And do you feel it takes a different turn than 617 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: your previous work. 618 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of guest stars on it. There's 619 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 5: a bunch of guest drummers, and there's an orchestra on 620 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 5: two tunes that I've never done before. 621 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 4: It's got some of. 622 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 5: My favorite musicians of all time that are playing on it, 623 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 5: which is sort of and I didn't mean for it 624 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 5: to happen. 625 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: It just kind of ended up that way. You know. 626 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 5: It's a little more as succinct and focused in a 627 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 5: way than this most recent record. Not one's not like 628 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 5: better or worse or you know, it's just a different thing. Yeah, 629 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 5: I'm excited for the next one to come out. I'm 630 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 5: writing for the tenth one, you know what I mean. Like, 631 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 5: I'm excited for all of them, and I want to 632 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 5: put them out and have as many people hear them 633 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 5: as possible, but I'm always like looking forward to the 634 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 5: next one. 635 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 4: It never goes fast enough either. 636 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 5: I wish, you know, like in the sixties, you know, 637 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 5: I mean Beatles, you mean Hendrix, people released two or 638 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 5: three records a year, you know. 639 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 4: I wish we could do that now. 640 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 5: I mean, we can, But it's just like it's you 641 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 5: can do whatever you want, really, especially these days, it's 642 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 5: not just about releasing music. I've been releasing music for 643 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 5: the last ten years on my own, but it's also 644 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: trying to reach people, and there's it just takes time 645 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 5: to you know, getting a song license in a movie 646 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 5: or TV show or something like that, or getting on 647 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 5: a tour, you know, to really like build and get 648 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: some kind of momentum. Well, I guess it's really more 649 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 5: career stuff then, you know, it's all interrelated, but it's 650 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 5: to me, it's really just about reaching as many people 651 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 5: as I can. There's a part of me that just 652 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 5: wants to release music all the time, regardless of anything. 653 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 5: But I don't want to just release stuff in a 654 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: vacuum like I've done that and it's just sort of depressing. 655 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 5: I mean, it's always great to I love what I do, 656 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 5: and I'm always excited about what I put out. I 657 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 5: don't put anything out unless I'm really excited about it. 658 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 5: But you know, you want to I want to people too, 659 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 5: and doing on my own it's expensive, man, I mean 660 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 5: it's expensive anyway, but now it's expensive for somebody else 661 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: who's not me. 662 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 4: That's a good thing. 663 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: What are some causes that are important to you. 664 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: Making the planet habitable? You know, the homeless problem is ridiculous. 665 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 5: I used to live in LA like it was like 666 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 5: a I think it was like forty or fifty thousand 667 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 5: people almost in LA, which is completely insane. I mean, 668 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 5: it's insane anywhere that exists. But there's quite a bit 669 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 5: in New York. And I just dropped something off as 670 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 5: the Bowery Mission. But yeah, I mean there's there's a 671 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 5: lot of things that serve attention, but those are the 672 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 5: two that really spring to mind for me. 673 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: What advice would you give to somebody listening to this 674 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: that's a musician just in the early stages of their career. 675 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 4: Just play what you want to play, play what you 676 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 4: want to hear. 677 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 5: I never stop being the list listener or the fan 678 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 5: the audience, you know, because you're the first audience member. 679 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 5: You know, it should be music that you actually want 680 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 5: to listen to, which sounds strange, but like that's that's 681 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 5: a common thing too, for one reason or another, to 682 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 5: make music for reasons other than just because you love it, 683 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 5: especially once you start getting a little feedback from people. 684 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 4: Just make the music that you want to hear. 685 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 5: Plus it'll be way more personal that way, and that's 686 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 5: going to be what people will respond to when there's 687 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 5: something genuine. When you can you know, you even non musicians, everybody, 688 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 5: anyone can tell, like when there's a real palpable sense 689 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 5: of joy or sense of discovery or you know what 690 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 5: I mean, Like you can just tell when somebody's doing 691 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 5: it for real or whether they're just you know, it 692 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 5: might be very good or a well made product or whatever, 693 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 5: but you can tell when there's like no real genuine 694 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 5: enthusiasm or I can't anyway, like I feel like people 695 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 5: can and whether they realize it or not. So just 696 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 5: do what you really want to do, you know, because 697 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 5: you love it, not because you're trying to get something 698 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 5: out of it. 699 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the music that you bring to us. 700 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 6: That's raw, it's authentic, obviously, it's something that brings you joy, 701 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 6: but it brings us joy. And thanks for everything that 702 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 6: you bridge together through all your musical influence. 703 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that as well, Johnny. 704 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 4: Wow, Thanks buzz. I appreciate the kind words. 705 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, ma'am, Thank you for being on taking a walk, 706 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: thank you. 707 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 4: For having me. 708 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: Taking a walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 709 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.