1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Ah, you're listening waiting on reparations production by her radio reparations. Uh, 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: let's give us into the lock tap but but talk 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: ways as chocol white as a death block at a 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: cock fight on my life, getting told it I'm chocolate, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: that I'm scary spice. Doesn't even matter that I'm pot 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: spice for the dark side. I'd be fairly bright, but 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Took a shot dead on the coplights 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: like a bad dog. It's another case left this uppercase. 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Took a tap pole out of water, a bottom p 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: parisite to baking the pavement the favorite height. But some 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: a day, well, my mother weights with the pepper five. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: It's wondering whether I'm und late my buddy's traits and chocolates. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: What would I do with my verse not written well? 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: I am a black man, no doubt. Shit as hell 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: could be somebody's talking practice. When they lick a shell 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: ship for health, heart, sickle cell or you pick a cell. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: I chose rap because I'm lazy and short fun playing 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: a chords dog. I'm trying to stay out of court, 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: still single, because I'm threatened by the pain of divorce. 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: They're shooting niggas like they made it as board. It 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: blazed in my fourth love staying indoors so for sure, hot, 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: so cold, don't even want to go outside. Sucking pigs 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: are patrolling with a chrome down nine. If I getten 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: to a scuffle and I know whout that taste smag 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: on my tongue when I breathe, I don't know what 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: to believe. I'd protest, but I don't want a disease. 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: So I'm dressing like a billboard, feeling like a product. 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Hope the scouts from thinking NIGG is selling narcotics. Dope 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: dove a A what's happening? My name is dope Knife. 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm lingal franca. We are waiting on reparations. Give us 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: a goddamn money. How are you doing? I'm doing all right. 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: I just got out of a seven hour commission meeting 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: in which public comment was given by you know, around 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: a hundred hundred and fifty again, back up, back up, 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: back up, seven hour commission meetings. So what time is 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: it right now? It is sucking one and it's in 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: the morning. I'm not gonna live how couple of glasses 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: of wine and I've smoked a few blunts. Oh before 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I forget. The beats on this episode are provided by 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: my homie Factor Chandelier. That's at Factor Chandelier on Instagram. 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: He's a dope ass producer. You guys should check them out. 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: You know. I actually this is my day of my 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: corn and I was going to I was gonna say, 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: it's my fourteenth day of quarantine. So you know, I 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: haven't gotten sick. Yeah, you know, I think I'm gonna 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: go get tested for COVID tomorrow. But I'm assuming that 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: either didn't get it from you or if I did 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: get it on a symptomatic so guidn't I got from 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: the contact tracer I spoke to was that after ten days, 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: have I had no symptoms, I could start going on 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: public again, which I started to do today. We're in 52 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: your mask, of course, we're in my mask, of course, 53 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, I guess we're COVID free. Yeah, 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: I'll find out tomorrow. I took a break on how 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: much I was smoking the last two weeks. I was like, man, 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: if I start getting symptoms and I was burning them down, 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: And so today I woke up, I was like, man, 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm feeling kind of good. I mean, you know, knock 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: on wood or whatever you gotta knock on. But I 60 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I'm just gonna smoke all thettle dope today. 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the commission meeting for a 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: minute for a second. So many people came out in 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: the support of my plan to defund the police in 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: a win a word. You know, we've been calling it 65 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: like reimagining public safety as a way to gain more 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: public buy in, but I want to say that on 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the air one. I mean, yeah, whatever, like people find 68 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: like I'd be using to defund the police fucking hashtag 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to like get likes and spread awareness even though like 70 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: you know what's in the name, I'm saying, it's all 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: like taking care of Like there's no more you don't 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: need that political strategy in the bag anymore. You are 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: listening to this show. You're not going to be fooled 74 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: by me in public saying reimagine public safety. Like literally 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: at the meeting, all the Republicans and most of the 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: fucking like radical an ar kiss regular towny like young 77 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: folks that came through were like either like you, I 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: don't support defunding the police or fun, yeah, abolish the police. 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Defunding It isn't even enough and so it doesn't really 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: matter what terminology we use. People know what we mean. 81 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: So even if I do think reimagining public safety is 82 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: an honest take of like what I'm trying to do, 83 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: I really want us to take a creative and like 84 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: bold approach to like thinking a new what it means 85 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to keep our community safe. It means giving the police 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: less money if they're if they're going to be demilitarized. Yeah, 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: so so that was exciting. But they did take maybe 88 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: like four or five hours and then so it is 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: it just like literally four four and five hours people 90 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: just coming up and talking for three minutes? Yeah? Is it? 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: Would you describe most of the discourses like grievance or so, 92 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: about twenty and thirty people came out in opposition to 93 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: defunding the police. The rest of the folks that came out, 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: the other hundred or so eighty or so, um, weren't 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: supported of funding the police. We've had mostly peaceful protests 96 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: here in Athens so far, except for police violence where 97 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: they tear gas and shot with bean backgrounds peaceful protesters 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Um. But tonight we had 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: a gathering of like blue Lives Matter Republicans waving American 100 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: flags on the steps of city Hall, and then folks 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: that are here to you know, end an unpaid prison 102 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: labor and like defund the police that were like playing 103 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: fun the police by in w a and dancing and 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: like holding signs, and reports indicated that an older white 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: man who was with the Blue Lives Matter crowd came 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: up the steps of city Hall and attempted to rest 107 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: away a megaphone from a black transactivist that was leading 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protests, dragging him down the stairs, uh, 109 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: in like an altercation. And so it's like we've had 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: all this peaceful ship until the fucking right wing appears. 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: We've been just chilling, singing Kumbaya and we each all overcome. 112 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: And then it's I mean they're the I mean they're 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: the ones who are like ripping down like people signs 114 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: and ship costing little girls and stuff. Yeah, but I 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: guess I ever had to mention. The car caravan on 116 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: Saturday went well. We had about a hundred car show 117 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: out and we drove around decides to police violence and 118 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: happens shut down downtown for about an hour of the 119 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: radio show. I'm try getting ready to do do that again, 120 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it again the Saturday, and I'm 121 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: actually bringing your ass now there's none of us protavirus. Yeah, 122 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go participate now. Yeah, it's gonna be cool. 123 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be cool. But you had some exciting news 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: this week also. Oh um, yeah, No, I I got 125 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: to do uh fundraiser with the legendary Jerry Conway. He's 126 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: the co creator of The Punisher and used to write 127 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: Spider Man and a bunch of other cool comic book things. 128 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: But he put out a call to get some you know, 129 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: illustrators and artists who were of color to do a 130 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: little reappropriation of the Punisher logo, the character that he created. 131 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: It's you know, the logo has been appropriated by police, 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: which is really ironic because the cops have started wearing 133 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: the Punisher skull unlike the uniform stickers on their car 134 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: and ship and any sort of passive following of the 135 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: comic book. And it's quite explicit the Punisher doesn't funk 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: with cops. He especially the Punisher especially doesn't funk with 137 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: cops who funk with him. Yeah, but I know, I 138 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: got to design like a you know, black Lives Matter 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: skull and all the proceeds are going towards Black Lives Matter. 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: So far, I think the whole thing is raised. Like 141 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I think like twenty three thou dollars. That was like 142 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: two days ago when I checked. So that's ill man. 143 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Proud of you. Yeah. And then 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: also it put me on to you know, some of 145 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: the fellow artists who participated in it. That's sick put 146 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: onto some new black you know, illustrators and stuff. So 147 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: there's a link to that in my Instagram Bio Dope, 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: underscore knife, So just check that out. I feel like 149 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: we should have done this in reverse. But like we've 150 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: got lots of good news to me, we also got 151 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot of bad news this week. I've been getting 152 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: death threats for one on the internet. One man uh 153 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: suggested which platform on Facebook. One man said I should 154 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: be hung from a tree. Another man suggested that brooks 155 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: me thrown through the windows of our home. Didn't you 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: didn't some cops get involved. Cops called me to let 157 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: me know that they were investigating the situation. Asked if 158 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to press charges, and I decline because I 159 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: mean there's two things they suggested that it might be 160 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: unlikely that they could be brought up they could be 161 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: effectively prosecuted for this since they didn't explicitly say I'm 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: going to hang you from a tree it which just 163 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: suggested that this is something that should happen. Someone should 164 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: throw Brooks through our window. But in addition, I feel 165 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: like I I like, I just don't believe that the 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: criminal legal system reforms people like these motherfuckers get thrown 167 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: in jail and then they're around a bunch of other 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: white supremacist who have committed crimes, they get involved in 169 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: like a white supremacist gang, They get their ideology re 170 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: entrenched to that experience or just bitterness through having been 171 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: uh incarcerated over threats to a black activist, and they 172 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: just like double down on that mission in their lives. So, 173 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: like what we need to do instead is to like 174 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: take a really close look at the schools they went to, 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: the churches they have attended, who their parents are, what 176 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: affiliations they have in terms of organizations in the community, 177 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and like do kind of an autopsy on like how 178 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: do these organizations, how do these institutions create such evil men? 179 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: And how do we reform and remake those institutions so 180 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: that we stopped making people like this because you know, 181 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Robbie Bailey or whatever, Chuck Jones like, it's too late 182 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: for them, but it might not be too late for 183 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: their sons that are going to Athens Christian right now 184 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: if we figure out how to fix athletes Christian and so, 185 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: I just want to redirect people's attention to like the 186 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: structural level of like what makes racists, rather than punishing 187 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: individual racists for the institutions that made them shitty. You 188 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: know where else there's a lot of racists in our 189 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: comments section podcast. Oh our comments section is a hot 190 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: shit show. Yeah you checked that ship out, you know what. 191 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: I glanced at it, But like I just in in 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: general when whenever I do stuff, I'm like one of 193 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: those kinds are. I tried my hardest to not count 194 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: numbers and not read comments because I obsess section. I 195 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: loved about what man, I just get. I didn't enough 196 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: people have commented on it. You know, my my little brothers, 197 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: you know in the military. He was like, yo, man, good, Yeah, 198 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. So I mean I guess all 199 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: that to say, you know, leave us some five stars 200 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: if you like the show. Yeah, it's about what you 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: like about the show. It's also good feedback for us 202 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: moving forward. Um. But this kind of leads into what 203 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about for today's episode, which is 204 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: going to be part one in a reoccurring series that 205 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: we're going to be doing where we spotlight different aspects 206 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: of racism in a series that i'd like to call 207 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: So I think it's really important to do this because 208 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: I think we've been operating from some basic assumptions that 209 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we share with our audience. 210 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: We've been working out the premise throughout the show that 211 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: folks you know, hold these same basic assumptiance about what 212 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: racism is and how it operates. But I think it's 213 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: important as well to take a step back and explore 214 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: where we're coming from and what these things actually mean. 215 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: Uh as like a practical matter for just like yo, 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: we you know, love you for listening, and I want 217 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: to make sure we're all on the same page, but 218 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: also into in line with the theme of the show, 219 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: thinking about the way that how we define racism also 220 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: inflex our political reality. I see a lot of times 221 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: in public policy. I saw earlier tonight in our commission meeting, 222 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: how definitions matter so much for how resources get allocated, 223 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: how the laws upheld. We were having a debate earlier 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: about what the term resources mean. A bunch of funding 225 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: was going out to all these indigence services providers and 226 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: organizations that do work with the homeless, etcetera, who provide resources, 227 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: and this one entity didn't get funding because it wasn't 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: defined as like providing resources, like well, isn't education or resource? 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: Isn't edgucy, like isn't you know, this training or resource 230 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: for people? And so we have to be very clear 231 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and what different words mean in order for like governments 232 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: to operate and for public policy to be effective. It's 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: just like in the battle of debates and ideas, it's 234 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: like the words or weapons, and it's like you have 235 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to know how to wield them. Right, We totally totally 236 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: interpretation matters so much, And so we're gonna get a 237 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: little bit into the definition of racism today both to 238 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: like establish a common ground with y'all and to kind 239 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: of think about the way that um that language influences 240 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: our political reality, especially when you're having discussions with people 241 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: who you are trying to prove that an action, something 242 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: they did, or that an aspect of what you guys 243 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: are discussing two people who are trying to prove that 244 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: it isn't racist. They're always quick to jump to the 245 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: dictionary definition of the word racism to prove what it means. 246 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: So let's check out a couple of those, right, So 247 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: we have in the Oxford languages, we have the belief 248 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially 249 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to 250 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: one another. And then in the columns English Dictionary, have 251 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: got the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined 252 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: by hereditary factors, and that this endows some races with 253 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: an intrinsic superiority over others Abusive or aggressive behavior towards 254 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: members of another race on the basis of such a belief. Now, 255 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: what all these definitions do is firmly set a con 256 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: sept of racism is being a belief, a doctrine to 257 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: that someone subscribes to. Uh. These are safe definitions because 258 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: they frame racism is being strictly like a moral failing 259 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: and something that only pertains to some of us and 260 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: not all of us. You know, it's something that you 261 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: can write off as being, oh, that person is bad 262 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: because that person thinks X, and it doesn't necessarily address 263 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: the broader aspects of racism and how it affects every 264 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: aspects of our lives. This is kind of like applying 265 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: the bad apples philosophy to the definition of racism. Well, 266 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: the thing about the bad apples like metaphor is that 267 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: the full saying is that a couple of bad apples 268 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: spoil the whole bunch. I think that's very like, uh 269 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: poignant for thinking about the way that systemic racism, institutional 270 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: racism operates. Because when you have individual actors all or 271 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, even some of them doing this kind of thing, 272 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: and you have other people who aren't checking their power 273 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to enforcing regulations or you know, and 274 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: interacting with others in a racist way, but you don't 275 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: have any sorts of accountability around that, the whole system 276 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: becomes inflected with this this racist ideology. And so through 277 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: every sort of interpersonal interaction with folks, every single middle 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: level manager and that decides not to hire a black person. 279 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: It might not be a companywide policy per se, but 280 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: it becomes systemic when um, it is a trend historically 281 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: and no one is checking that, and so it's kind 282 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: of accepted as the status quo. Yeah, it's like, it 283 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: doesn't require that somebody be actively racist in order for 284 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: it to perpetuate. Like, all all that work was done 285 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: hundreds of years ago. Literally, systems were put in place, 286 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, let's have this be so ingrained 287 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: into the fabric of society so that hundreds of years 288 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: from now, even if public sentiment changes, those systems are 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: still in place to perpetuate this system of racism. This 290 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: very issue of defining the word racism came to the 291 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: attention of Drake University graduate Kennedy Mitchum a few months ago. 292 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: She sent an email to Marry and Webster the Dictionary 293 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,119 Speaker 1: bringing this up and urging that they update the definition 294 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: for the word racism to represent the true meaning of 295 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: what the word is. Making her case, she stated, racism 296 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: is not only prejudice against a certain race due to 297 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: color of a person's skin, as it states in your dictionary. 298 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: It is both prejudice combined with social and institutional power. 299 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: It is a system of advantage based on skin color. 300 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: To her surprise, they hit her back up the next 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: day and they actually agreed with there and they updated, 302 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: they updated the definition, and she changed the definition of 303 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: the word racism. And we actually have Kennedy here with 304 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: us today to talk about the case he made to 305 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: marry On Webster and the impact the definitions change. Okay, 306 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: so we're here with Kennedy Mitchell, recent Drake University graduate, 307 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: twenty two year old that effectively lobbied Mary A. Webster 308 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: to get their definition of racism changed in the dictionary. 309 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: How are you to David Kennedy, I'm doing good. How 310 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: are you? I'm good. It's good to have you here. Yeah, 311 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: So talk to us a little bit of what about 312 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: what informs your definition of racism my own experiences. I've 313 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: definitely been a part of a lot of predominantly white 314 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: institutions growing up um in St. Louis. A lot of 315 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 1: that racism that I experienced. It was more blatant, a 316 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: lot more overt, but going into college, a lot of that, 317 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was way. It was a lot more microaggressions, 318 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: It was a lot more covert, It was a lot 319 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: more undercover. They did, they didn't really want to acknowledge 320 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: it as racism. So those binds, those different experiences definitely 321 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: made me understand how racism is very multidimensional. It's more 322 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: than just calling someone the in word or just derogatory turns. 323 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: It's a lot of the way that systems work to 324 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: continue to oppress people. It's it's a way that people 325 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: continually there implicit by it still works to you know, 326 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: show that oppression. So my life experience is definitely it 327 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: formed the way that I see the word. Now, what 328 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: was like the deciding factor that something happened that made 329 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: you just open your web browser that day and send 330 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: that email out? Was it like a particular incident or 331 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: was it just a build up the frustration. It was 332 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: really both. But I think the current climate definitely sparked 333 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: that a lot more because I've gotten into, you know, 334 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: arguments about where racism is and what is and what's 335 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: not racists, like multiple times on social media. But a 336 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when I posted about you know, 337 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: some things that I experienced at Drake and a person 338 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: you know wanted to say, no, that's that's not racism, 339 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: and that encopied and paste the marrying Webster definition, and 340 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: I explained to them, I was like, oh, Yeah, this 341 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: is the last straw I can more um, And that's 342 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: what prompted me, especially right now, Like if you don't 343 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: understand that it's more than that, then it's more than 344 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: just the basic the surface level things is deeply ingrained 345 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of these systems we see then, Like 346 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, So I'm like, 347 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: let me just hit up. I found that they were 348 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: just the root of one problem. They were it was 349 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: just one way that people would go is the definition way. 350 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, let me reach out to Marry 351 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: and Webster and asked them to change it since a 352 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: lot of people want to use that definition as a 353 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: way to kind of stay stagnant and not really grow 354 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: and understanding. Yeah, for sure. Would you mind speaking on 355 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 1: some of those early incidences of racism that you experienced, 356 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: as well as how they differ from some specific examples 357 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: of the covert kinds of racism you encountered at Drake 358 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: in high school? Like I had one girl she came 359 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: up to me, like my first day of high school 360 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: and she wrote uh, like with the sharpie and she 361 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: came up to me and she wrote on me, and 362 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: she was like, wow, it still shows up and I'm like, 363 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, like girl was Yeah, definitely this this sense 364 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: of entitlement to black bodies in this like sense of 365 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: comfort with like touching us, coming too close to us, 366 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: violating our personal space. Up until like riding on a person. 367 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: Sure this person was like an adolescent, but like these 368 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: people gotta learn at some point exactly exactly, and I 369 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: mean earlier on, I was like, especially because I was 370 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: in the environment that was predominantly white, but a lot 371 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: of it was the climate was still like Okay, I'm 372 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: still treated like normal, Like I was still able to 373 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: be myself. So I was definitely in that same mindset 374 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: like when I was younger, when I was like fifteen sixteen, like, oh, 375 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: maybe there's just a few rotten apples, you know, like 376 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: that girl, maybe that's going to be an isolated incident. 377 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: But up until like the Mike Brown thing, I was like, oh, 378 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: like no, this is not this is not an isolated 379 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: incident because you know, a lot of people's true colors 380 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: came to show. Because I think that was my junior 381 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: of high school and I was like the diversity club 382 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: president and everything, and I was just able to understand 383 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: like how much deeper it is in comparison to when 384 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: I went off to college, and it was a lot 385 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: of the you know, when I walked out, when I 386 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: walked down the hallway, no one would make eye contact 387 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: with me. When I went When I was in different 388 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: group projects, a lot of people didn't value my opinion. 389 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: I would say something and then five and they would 390 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: be like, um, hey, ignored. And then five seconds later 391 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: a white on her part was saying the exact same thing. 392 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: They oh my god, yes, that is such a great idea, 393 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I just said that. 394 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: Like it honestly is like mental warfare sometimes because you 395 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: think you're just it's like gaslighting. You think you're just 396 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: being extra. You think it's just are you problem until 397 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: you actually talk so you know people who look like 398 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: you and who experience the same exact things, and they're 399 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: like while you're they're like, yeah, those microaggishes, man, Like 400 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: that's enough is enough, And especially even from your own 401 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: professors who are paid, who are literally paid to you know, 402 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: educate you. But here you are and they're calling you 403 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: a different black girl's name every single every single chance, 404 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: every twing. When my when I first got on the commission, 405 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: here it happens the mayor would frequently mix me up 406 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: with the black auditor who have very short hair. She 407 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: is like kids like me, but like she's sitting in 408 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: a completely different part of the chamber and always is. 409 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: And she'd be like, oh, you know, Stefaniely made a 410 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: good point when I just said it, and I'll be like, 411 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: you know what the flush you're the mayor of a 412 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: city or the mayor of a city. But yeah, So, 413 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: like there's these these overtly aggressive forms of racism that's 414 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: like antagonization through you know, getting like violation of the 415 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: personal space stuff like that, and then there's these more 416 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: subtle forms of marketilization through averted eye contact or just 417 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: missing opinions that definitely build up over time to diminish 418 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: a person's self esteem, you know, lisens of self worth, 419 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: and like a lifetime of that is like really heavy 420 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: to bear, no doubt, But talk to us a little 421 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: bit about you know what, uh, what was wrong with 422 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: the old definition of racism in the dictionary. Right, So 423 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: the definition basically states, you know that racism is belief 424 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: that you know, one's race determines their abilities and that 425 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: racial differences, those racial differences make one race superior to 426 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: the other. But the thing is, it's not just racism. 427 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Isn't just believing that you're better than someone because of 428 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: the color of your skin, or just calling someone those 429 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: avertly you know, derogatory terms. I mean, you have to 430 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: when we're talking about racism, we have to really describe 431 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: how it really infiltraits, like every every part of our lives, 432 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: every aspect. You must include the word systemic when we're 433 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: describing racism because a big part of racism is putting 434 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: systems in place that are designed to keep one racist 435 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: people behind. So that's not that originally wasn't included in 436 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: the definition, but it's super important to add that in there. Yeah. Yeah, 437 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: it reminds me of that Sclear Carmichael quote. If a 438 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: white man wants to lend me, that's his problem. If 439 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: you've got the power to lend me, that's my problem. 440 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: Racism has had a question of attitude, it's a question 441 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: of power exactly. So now, like assuming so that they 442 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: are going to change the definitory, okay, they changed it. 443 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: So now that the definition has changed, at least in 444 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: one dictionary, like, what what's the next step? What do 445 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: you think or some we're really trying to get that 446 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: change in every diction. Well right now I'm working with 447 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of different scholars to get it changed in 448 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: every dictionary because it's still like in the Oxford Dictionary, 449 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: which is a very prominent one, and in dictionary dot 450 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: com they still only have that basic you know, um 451 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: basically what I described earlier. So that's that's the next 452 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: step besides just trying to you know, inform people on 453 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: the deeper aspects. I feel like a lot of people 454 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: who want to be ignorant, they're still gonna be ignorant 455 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: about it until it's like they're not going to experience it. 456 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: But it's like you have to just boom. You have 457 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: to really just be open to other people who might 458 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: not have the same experiences as you, and just listen. 459 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I think this is a very important time to just 460 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: sit back and at people's voices be heard, and actually 461 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: listen to your counterparts and what they're saying instead of 462 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: just trying to be ignorant about it, because that's not 463 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: gonna get us anywhere. So it's really gonna just leave 464 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: us in the same position we are now, where there's 465 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: black men, black women being killed, being murdered, being abducted, 466 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: and there's nobody being held accountable for because apparently black 467 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: people want to act like black bodies, you know, they're 468 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: not worth They're not worth anything, which is just not true. 469 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: What do you think is the wider impact of the 470 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: definitions change. I think that I hope that it allows 471 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: for a lot more a lot more um conversations about 472 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: racism that are actually accurate to what racism is. I 473 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: think that it was definitely people were trying to take 474 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: racism and you know, just make it whether they wanted 475 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: it to be because of how loosely you know, worded 476 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: that it was in the beginning. So I hope that 477 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: allows for more productive conversation. I hope that allows for 478 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: people to understand their biases and actually put forth some 479 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: change to actually you know, correct them, because it's not 480 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: always on people of color to come up with solutions. 481 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: This is a time where you see, we need solidarity 482 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: and we need people of all races to really come 483 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: together to fix the problem because I mean, at the 484 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: end of the day, we didn't create it, so it 485 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: really needs to be addressed and solved altogether universally. Hey, 486 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: I had one last question. Every everything that I've seen 487 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: of people like covering you and what you've done. They 488 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: only refer to you as a college graduate, So is 489 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: there is is there something else that we can refer 490 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: to you as I think that that has been bothering me, 491 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: especially because my Drake experiences have hurt me so much, 492 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: Like it's really been a mental warfare and like been 493 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: such uh like, I don't it's really annoying how they're 494 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: getting a lot of publicity and how they're really getting 495 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: during all of this when at the end of the day, 496 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: they didn't take care of me at all as a 497 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: student there. They still aren't taking care of their people 498 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: students of color, which you can basically ask anyone. So 499 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought that up because who that is? 500 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: That is so that bothers me so much because they're 501 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: just taking so much pr from this, but they're still 502 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: not putting anything in place to actually protect and actually 503 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: hold those professors accountable who say racist stuff, hold those 504 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: students accountables who do racist stuff that might not be 505 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: overtly racist, but it still hurts all the same. So 506 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: you can just call me by my name, Kennedy Mitchum. 507 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: I also don't the black because a lot of other 508 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: people are just saying, you know, black women. But I'm like, 509 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm not just black woman. I'm like, yeah, exactly, I'm 510 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: educated the world. We literally I'm like, oh my god, 511 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: but that's so funny you brought that up. Well this Mitchum, 512 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: thank you for coming and talking with us on the 513 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: Wait in the Reparations podcast. So thank you for your time, 514 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. And so when you have these 515 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: systems that we're constructed through these iterative interactions between people, 516 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: this one person that you know treated someone in some way, 517 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: and then like I get a bunch of people who 518 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: are treating someone this way, and it creates the system 519 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: that's been in place for hundreds of years, thousands of years. Um. 520 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: What's interesting from a public policy perspective is the way 521 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: that we are hindered in our policy from addressing the 522 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: status quo of the system that which is racist and 523 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: um dismantling parts of that system that that that are racist. So, 524 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: for example, in the local government, we've been trying to 525 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: work on getting more minority contractors with city contracts for 526 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: paving roads, building buildings, doing roofing, doing solar panel installation 527 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: because all of these white um firms have had advantage 528 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, tens of decades, UH with regards 529 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: to the way that they've been able to recruit capital 530 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: and actually maintain a business, whereas black businesses were burned 531 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: to the ground, et cetera. But law prevents us given 532 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: like equal protections on the law, it's equally discriminatory for 533 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: us to give UH contracts to exclusively white people as 534 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: it is to give contracts exclusively to black people. There's 535 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: no way that we can and act a law that 536 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: says we are going to give of our city contracts 537 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: to black owned firms, because that's discrimination as well. And 538 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: so this kind of this this kind of policy helps 539 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: uphold the system, but it operates under the guys of 540 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: protecting everyone from discrimination. Like everyone's equal to begin with, 541 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: everyone's already equal, So like you can't discriminate against white 542 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: people by saying we're going to give contracts to black 543 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: owned firms. And it really prevents us from actually addressing 544 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: the historical roots of a lot of the disparities that 545 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: we have in our community because of these things that 546 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: have been so ongoing for such a long time historically. 547 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: If are we good, I'm good, Yeah, especially since the 548 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: intellectual part of the episode is over. Now I can 549 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: just laugh at exactly so. So and you know, going 550 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: with the episode for the music discussion, we're gonna we're 551 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: gonna talk about some songs that are themed in racism, 552 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, about the topic of it, either dealing with 553 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, an aspect of it. I tried to be 554 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: really specific with it and just look for songs that were, 555 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, systhetic racism, but there's just so many songs 556 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: that are just about racism broadly that this is like, 557 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: now we just gotta talk about it. So this first 558 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: one is actually like a real classic. Um, this is 559 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: Brad Paisley featuring l O. Cool J Accidental Racist. When 560 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: I see that white cowboy hat, I'm thinking it's not 561 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: all good. I guess we're both guilty and judge in 562 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: the cup. I got the book, Yo, get all the 563 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: way to the funk out of here with that. This 564 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: is real? What are yours? This? That was two? Yeah? Yep, No, 565 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: there's like a they even they did press for this. Yeah, 566 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: there's like a CNN clip of them talking about this 567 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: that looks like a parody. It looks like a fucking 568 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: state farm commercial. I'm gonna trying not to think about that. 569 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: So that's just a little bit of l l's verse. 570 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: But Brad Paisley, he's singing about going into like a 571 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: coffee shop and getting served by I assume a black waiter, 572 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: and he's got a Leonard Skinner shirt on. So he's 573 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: got the rebel flag and he's feeling bad about it, 574 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: and I think this shouldn't really happen. I think this 575 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: is really went into some place where in the rebel 576 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: flag is some some black people custom out and he 577 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: went to the studio like I have to call l 578 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: where's cool, James? I just any sort of rap country ship, 579 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: miss me? You know, I want to say that. But 580 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: like the Nelly tim McGrath joint, in a certain frame 581 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: of mind, I can see how people fused with that. 582 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just that. I'm just saying I understand 583 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: thought it was. Yeah, you know, how are you gonna 584 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: make fun of it when you know reseillable? I think 585 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: I think in the in the right hands, anybody can 586 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: anybody who's capable can make anything dope. And obviously l 587 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: J is one of the greatest rappers of all time. 588 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: But that ship was trash um. So the next joint 589 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: is a pretty interesting one. This is a journa lucas 590 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: I'm not Racist from It's his conversational concept song check 591 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: us out, talking about slavery like he was a round 592 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: back then, like he was picking cotton off the round 593 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: back then, like he was on the plantation getting down 594 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: back then. I'm not racist. This is like the dialogue 595 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: between like the maga hat wearing bearded white guy and 596 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: then the black dude. Right yeah, the black kids like 597 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: sitting at like a table together. It's framed as a conversation. 598 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: A lot of it got flak when it came out 599 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: because some people thought that the white dudes verseus was 600 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: either longer or had had more thought put into it 601 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know, Like in in 602 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: any event, it's like it's the song that he chose 603 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: to make, you know what I mean, I don't really 604 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: give it any sort of judgment on that. It's more 605 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: the quality of it that I'm thinking about. Well, also 606 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: the way it's positioned, I mean, like structurally in the song, 607 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: Like when I first watched it, like watched the music 608 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: video and I just the music video starts and this 609 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: is white guy rapping about how black people are bad. 610 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: I was just like, yea, what the fuck? From from 611 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: like a Artie Farzi standpoint. I think that's like the 612 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: intention is like it invokes, it invokes like every action. 613 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, immediately are kind of a little bit 614 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: pissed off. I mean the second you know again, it's 615 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: it's another one of those songs where admittedly it's like 616 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: the first few times I heard it a few years ago, 617 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I kind of felt the 618 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: same way, But listening to it more these last few 619 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: days leading up to this, it's like, all right, the 620 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: argument that both of the verses are equally as long, 621 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: and that you know, they both have equal time if 622 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: you actually like look at it. So it's like, Okay, 623 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't minded as much 624 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: as I did when I first heard it, but maybe 625 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting soft or something. Definitely getting soft. I mean, 626 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: it definitely gets hokey towards the end because they like 627 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: make up and hug and it's like, oh, if only 628 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: we could just put the races aside and hug it out. 629 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I mean, I hear all those criticisms, 630 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: but it's wrapped really well, and I just digged the concept. 631 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: It's not like a I I dig I dig it 632 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: when people do songs that like maybe like damn, I 633 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: wish I had thought about that first, you know, And 634 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: this song definitely has some of that. So the next 635 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: joint is Black America again by Common featuring Stevie Wonders. 636 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: Black anytime anybody is like black on black crime needs 637 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: to end and like doesn't actually bring into like bring 638 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: into it the systemic to mention of like why we're 639 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: killing each other And like my it's just rolled back 640 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: in my skull and I fucking die a little bit that. 641 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was he was that was 642 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: just one bit of the song. I don't think that's 643 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: a fair description of that song. But I don't know 644 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: is that like is that your Is that your only feeling? 645 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: You know? I mean, because that song to me is like, yeah, 646 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: that's what it's like typical. I don't I'm not saying 647 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: this in a bad way at all, but it's like 648 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: it's like standard Common, fair, you know what I mean. 649 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: Like he's always like hitting on those sort of points, 650 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: and I mean, I think it's I don't think that 651 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: we should be so reactionary that Common can't say black 652 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: men don't kill each other. I mean, it's one thing 653 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: if Ben Shapiro's punk Asked is saying it, but Common 654 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: should be able to say it. You know what I mean? 655 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: You disagree? I mean like you don't hear fucking Luke 656 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: Bryant singing songs about how white people need to stop 657 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: killing each other? What the fund is a luke when 658 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: when most fucking homicides happen intra racially. I I understand that. 659 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: I just don't think that Commons mentioned of this in 660 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: the song is like coming from the same place that 661 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: somebody concern trolling when you're trying to bring up systemic 662 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: racism is coming from when they do it. This is 663 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: an episode about systemic racism. If motherfucker's are addressing the 664 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: systemic roots of the issues in our community, they're not 665 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: serving us. And I'm sorry being like put the guns down? 666 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: Who the fund? You thought, like, no, it's no, But 667 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: listen and think about it for a second. How many 668 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: people do you think Common got to put their guns 669 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: down over this song? I don't know, yeah, because nobody 670 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: fucking put their guns down over the song. However, if 671 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: a song had been crafted around addressing the roots of 672 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: black homicides in already in you know, housing, insecurity, in 673 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: a lack of education. Why are they funding that ship again, 674 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: just the sliver of a six minute long song to 675 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: raise awareness for the for like policy change that could 676 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: like actually impact the roots of of intra racial homicide. 677 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: Fucking that would be when the guns down because of 678 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: the ship. I honestly, I honestly think that's an unfair 679 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: characterization of one line. Well fuck you no for real though, Like, 680 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a six minute song that's called 681 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: Black America. Again, the nigga definitely hits on systemic racism 682 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: at least a couple of times in the ship. I'm 683 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: not even trying to hate on the rest, and I'm 684 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: not even trying to detigrate any of commons. You is 685 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: your argument that that should never be mentioned at all? 686 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's useful to tell people put their 687 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: guns down unless you're actually mediating like gang conflict in 688 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: like an actual interpersonal way. But I mean that's that's 689 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: where it stems from. Though, Man, next song, I didn't 690 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: get into this. I mean, look, look, I mean just 691 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: just keeping it real, Like I grew up on Gangster Rap. 692 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: That was like the first rap that rap ship that 693 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: I listened to, you know what I mean when I 694 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: first started listening to rap, and it's like there was 695 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: like the ethos of it wasn't really yeah, yo, like 696 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: killing each other is dope. You know what I'm saying? 697 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: Like that that wasn't you know, like like as a 698 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: matter of fact, it was quite like vehemently like nah, 699 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: like like put the gun down, black black man. Don't 700 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: we need to stop shooting each other? You know what 701 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean? Like we need to like aim like in 702 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: some cases people are like we need to aim at them, 703 00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: which brings us to the next song. This. Okay, So 704 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: when I say the name sir Mix a Lot, what 705 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: do you think about du dun dun dun dun dun 706 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun du I 707 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: like big butts and I cannot lie you did nah? 708 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: But the girl walks in with the inmates and a 709 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: round thing in your face. You get degree. So yeah, 710 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: Sir Mix a lot, cervix. You know I was. I 711 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: used to listen to Sir Mix a lot, like around 712 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: when Baby Got Back first came out and It's like 713 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: I actually had that album that that was on It's 714 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: called mac Daddy. Actually, it's executive produced by Rick Rubin 715 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: and Sir Mix a Lot did a lot of the 716 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: beats on it. But I've been saying since I was 717 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: a little kid that Sir Mix a Lot is one 718 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: of the most underrated rappers of all time that just 719 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: nobody gives credit to because of the strength of Baby 720 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: Got Back. They forgot how nice he was on the mike. 721 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: But this Ship has some crazy concept songs on it. 722 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: I mean, and there's ship where he's rapping like he's 723 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: a Ferrari. There's a song where he's rapping from the 724 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: perspective of being heroin. So he's got this cut on 725 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: that album that's called jack Back that is pretty much 726 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: just like a Nazi murder fantasy about him beefing with 727 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: the class with like a squad of skin heads and 728 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: getting revenge killing because they burned across in his yard. 729 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: It's really fucking awesome. Let's check a little out a 730 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: little bit of that wild. I mean, it's and I 731 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: really enjoy that, you know, because we were just talking 732 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: about you know, black on black crime. But it's like 733 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: this is essentially a nineties gangster rap song, but the 734 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: antagonist of this gangster rap story isn't another black man, 735 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: it's actual skinhead racist that he's like doing drive byes 736 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: on and catching slip all right, And last We Got 737 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: It is actually my favorite of the joints that I 738 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: found and I was listening to. This is a Marlin 739 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: a song by Marlon Craft called Gangshit. Let's check this out. 740 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna make America white again. Sound when of them people, 741 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: people who work harder than me, because we all spighted 742 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: them sitting there so fucking dopey. It's yeah, it's just like, yeah, 743 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: when I first heard that ship, it was stuck in 744 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: my head for days. But I like, I think, I 745 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: think this is similar to the journal Lucas I'm not 746 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: racist one in the sense of like the framing and 747 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: how it's set up where the rappers taken on the 748 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: character of these different personalities. That was just a snippet, 749 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: But in the course of the song, he plays the 750 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: role of a cop and he's like talking about how 751 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: the cops of you black people. Then he plays the 752 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: role of a landsman and he's talking about how the 753 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: klansman and views black people, and then he plays the 754 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: role of like a black guy who's actually in jail, 755 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: who grew up in the hood, and he's like, my 756 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: gang ship landed me in prison, and your gang ship 757 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: got you on the street walking the beat, and you 758 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: sitting at home, you know, with your family and ship 759 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: having dinner, Yeah, sitting around the dinner table, and it's 760 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: just it's just really, I think it's a I think 761 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: it's more effective than the General Lucas song because it's 762 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: a better song, you know what I mean. It's got 763 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: like a catchy hooked I think the beat is better. 764 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's just the iller song. And kind of 765 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: that's important when you're trying to make messages with your ship, 766 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: is that it sounds good because I think your point 767 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: can get across, right. It's important for like catching the 768 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: attention of your audience to like layer them into paying 769 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: attention to the broader message exactly. So that's gonna be 770 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: it for our music discussion, and that's gonna be it 771 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: for our episode. I for one, feel like rapping. I 772 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: feel like rapping two. And I also want to wish 773 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: everyone a very happy June Teo this Friday. Yeah, don't 774 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: don't work general. Generally, don't buy ship, They're gonna work. 775 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: Uh uh, you see, I ought to be I proud 776 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: of you, just like my parents thought i'd be, instead 777 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: of squandering my doctorate party and hardily lost in the 778 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: Coxae looking like chocolate broccoli for not the locking people. 779 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: I'm watching me constantly because I'm bread and straightened until 780 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: the Great Tenth, when I decided I was kind of 781 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: tired of her moodiness. They should they should change this. 782 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: My looks like Andy Davis and the racist suppose the 783 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: observation of white is a million. I don't God truly 784 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: to spit, but when it comes to written verses, I 785 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: am truly legit. I'm on another different curve. I in 786 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: school with you, prick, because what I dropped and give 787 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: the earth and KI could dude in this ship, I'm 788 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: proving it this bit of scene words and then I did. 789 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: I stacked the bread and that means work and not persist. 790 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm mixed the red head in the green herb and 791 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: night Quick come off the head with a mean verse 792 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: and let it rip, nigger ship. How do you got 793 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: the kid, I'm the alchemist, I ansis and if you 794 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: brought the pip let me like the stick. I'm the 795 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: prince with the lion fist. I'm about the ships on 796 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,439 Speaker 1: the ship. What the fund is dripped without a risk. 797 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: In the meanwhile, I'm gonna leave your host piste off 798 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: a freestyle better than your whole dis guy the quick 799 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: nod to my dope heads. You're gonna get robbed from 800 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 1: now one. Not knife nigga, no, just god dope. Yeah, yeah, 801 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm dope night, and we are waiting on reparations. See 802 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: you guys next week. Waiting on Reparations as a production 803 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: of I Heeart Radio. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on 804 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 805 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts.