WEBVTT - Augmented Reality: Coming Soon? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:03.400 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of My 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.720 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.880 I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:20.279 guest producer Andrew over there. Uh and um, this is 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.239 stuff you should know everybody, the real, real edition, but 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:29.479 not the online consignment retailer. Just meaning real twice over. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.879 That's right, very real. Yeah, not augmented it anyway. As 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.800 a matter of factor. About as low tech as it 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.720 comes as far as podcasts go. Oh, I think all 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.240 podcasts are pretty low tech, right, No, some people really 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.640 kind of you know, jazz it up a little razzle dazzle. Sure, Like, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.000 could you imagine a world where someone listens to Stuff 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.320 you should Know and they're wearing a headset and in 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.840 front of their face that was either us or what 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.960 we're talking about, or any of a mix of those things, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.319 I like, the second idea or what we're talking about, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.720 or if it was an animated version of us. Remember 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.720 those animated shorts. Yeah, gosh, those were good. Yeah. And 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.679 you know we have a mutual friend, uh who I 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.680 will tell name off air to you who was getting 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.520 into this quite a few years ago with another company 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.160 and came to me and was like, Hey, what do 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.840 you think about maybe one day you and Josh, you know, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.559 doing these shooting videos. And at first I was like, Nope, 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.160 now hear me out shooting videos to where we were, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.480 let's say, walking people on a virtual tour of like 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.240 a neighborhood in New York City and telling about the 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.080 history and the way that we do and stuff like, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.640 Oh man, that would be awesome. You think, yes, dude, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.960 I think people would love that. I would love that. Well, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.840 this person was also a big believer in a R 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.120 and said, dude, in a few years, you won't be 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.640 able to buy a pair of glasses or sunglasses that 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.360 don't have this built in. Yeah. I think your friend 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.760 is right. Well, no, this was a few years ago. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.080 It's like it's it should be happening right now according 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.720 to this person. Yeah, I remember at the time thinking 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.800 not only will that not happen in a few years, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.880 but that will never happen. I don't know, man, I 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.120 don't know. So I I see what you're saying, Like, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.640 with a lot of tech, there's like, you know, in 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.760 five years, this is going to be all the rage. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.720 And then five years comes and goes, and we're not 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.840 that much further along. But if you step back and 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:37.640 look at the progress that augmented reality is making, um 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.680 I it's I think your friend is ultimately going to 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.880 be proven right. Maybe not over the same time frame obviously, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.120 because they totally failed with their prediction, but I think 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.080 in the end, your friend will be vindicated. I hope 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.680 is this somebody? Is this somebody that I like, because 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.120 I hope it's not someone I dislike, and I'm vindicating 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.280 them because I feel like I'm trapped here. Here's my 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.360 prediction is that in the future there could be for 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.120 sure people that are into this and that you can 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.320 easily buy glasses like this. But I think the notion 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:14.239 that this is all of humans at some point walking 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:19.240 around like this is silly. Well, we'll see, we'll see. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.600 We'll revisit this in five years, and I think things 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.839 will will be a lot different than I think. You'll 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.280 be singing a different tune walking around with your VR 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.399 glasses on. All right, mark the date everyone, Okay, five 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.880 years from now. Yep, I'm not gonna say I'll buy 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:38.200 everyone a beer if that Halloween twenty uh twenty four, Yeah, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.200 that's five years from now, if we don't look out 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.520 of our house and see everybody walking around with living 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.720 a virtual augmented world, right or I guess it's possible 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.080 that that could also be the title of a rob 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:57.520 zombie movie to Halloween. There's nothing but augmented Michael Myers everywhere, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.160 that's true. I just wanted to go ahead and I 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.600 guess foreshadow my future poo pooing. Okay, that's fine, that's fine. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.920 That's easy to do when you're talking about predictions. But 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.880 I guess we should probably tell everybody what we're talking about. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.360 It's augmented reality. It's in the title, so you should 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.440 have some heads up. But to give kind of a 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.160 brief definition of augmented reality, augmented reality, I'm gonna say 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.440 it a fourth time here. Augmented reality is a type 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:31.240 of technology that adds like a digital layer, computer generated 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:37.360 layer of UM augmentation to real life. And it can 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.000 be really actually any kind of sensory input. Typically it's 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.520 something visual, but it could also be haptic feedback, so 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.440 tactile like touch. It can be UM sound. You can 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.560 be walking through a certain place that will trigger like 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:56.440 a sound. Eventually it might be smells um warmth. Who 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.440 knows what we'll be able to do, But right now 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.159 most people are typically talking about visual stuff. Yeah, well, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:07.360 they could combine the I smell with VR or a R. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.040 I love that idea, man, I think the I smell 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.600 was just ahead of its time, not that it was 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.919 a bad idea. They've already gotten music. They've had that 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:19.159 since the Walkman. Sure, I guess it's a it's primitive 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.880 a R SHT. So I don't know that I would 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.120 call a sound a R except for the fact that 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.960 maybe you could look at something and it's triggered, right, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.560 but it's all there. It's already two. Have us leave 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.279 our material world on a daily basis and go somewhere 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.120 else entirely Well, that technically is virtual reality, where you're 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:46.480 plunged into an entirely alternative version of reality. Augmented reality 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.480 is it's real, it's our normal reality, but there's there's 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.159 an extra little touch to it that's digitized. Yeah, but 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.160 the videos that I've seen, there was so much going on. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.840 In my opinion, you are leaving the real world. Atcha catch. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.880 I'm not saying you're transported to you know, Venus or anything. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.080 But when you're sitting in a room and there are 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.200 screens all in front of your face and the couches. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.600 You know, you can change your couch to a different 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:18.479 fabric virtually, Like, I don't consider that the real world. Okay, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.480 I I think that you might be in the minority. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.080 But okay, oh, I think we'll see in five years 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.920 that I'm not. Okay. So if you if you kind 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.039 of are like, well, I still don't I don't quite 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.000 get it. What we're talking about is Pokemon Go. Basically, yeah, 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.839 so Pokemon Go in two thousand and sixteen, it was 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.200 an enormous hit. It's this game where you walk around 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.960 and you basically play Pokemon in the real world. You 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.240 go visit with Pokemon creatures and try to capture them, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.800 and um, like your score is as is shown on 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.680 the screen of your phone and you're using your camera 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.160 and it's adding that digitized Pokemon layer to the real 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.960 world you're seeing through your camera screen. And it was huge. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.840 Apparently it just past the three billion dollar mark, which 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.719 is pretty pretty substantial profit made for a game that's 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.520 actually free. It's a free game, but there's a lot 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.920 of in app purchases and they've made three billion dollars 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.240 off of that so far. So there's a huge appetite 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.640 for augmented reality that Pokemon Go showed everyone. Oh for sure. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:26.080 I think there are plenty of applications for augmented reality 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.680 in the future, right and so, UM, we kind of 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.680 got into it a little bit. The difference between virtual 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.280 reality and augmented reality. Have seen it put really well 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:38.200 in that virtual reality takes the user anywhere and augmented 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.120 reality brings everything to the user. Um. I think that's 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.520 a great description. But the idea is in in VR, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.080 you're transported to a different world. In augmented reality, your 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.760 world is has that digitized layer added to it. And 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.920 then there's also something called mixed reality, which if you 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.960 read about it, that to me is that's the future 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.160 of augmented reality. Yeah. I wasn't quite sure the exact 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.480 difference here. It seems like very fine lines definition wise, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.920 it is because augmented reality and mixed reality are virtually 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.120 the same thing as just mixed reality is kind of 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.960 like the um more sophisticated version of augmented reality. But 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.720 a good example that kind of distinguishes the two that 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.960 I've seen is, um, let's say that you are you 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.320 have your augmented reality phone going and you you hold 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.400 a soup can up in front of it. Well, your 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.760 your app says, oh, it's the soup. You know it's 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:39.160 it's Campbell's low sodium Tomato soup. Obviously, user friend who's 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.040 holding the phone up to the soup can wants to 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.080 know more about this soup, and it triggers like some 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.760 nutrition facts that aren't found on the label, or maybe 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.480 a recipe or something like that. And when you're looking 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.560 at this soup can through your phone, the additional layer 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.480 of information that's digitized over it that makes it augmented reality, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.319 it doesn't look like it's on the soup can. It's 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.160 just like a little it's like you're looking at your 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.360 computer screen but it's in front of your face. Yeah, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.840 it's kind of yes, but not nearly sophisticated. That's a 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.720 different thing that we'll get into later. But it's just 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.280 kind of like this layer of information that's just floating 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.719 in space over there. Mixed reality is far more sophisticated, 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.120 where if you um held your hand up in front 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:27.840 of in between the soup can and your phone, your 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.960 your hand would would what's called acclude it would cover 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.480 up that information. That's a big thing and it's really 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.760 really hard to do, but it makes the the stuff, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.640 that digitized layer of augmented reality interact with reality that 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.400 much more so it could wrap around the soup can. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.760 It could be covered up by something that comes in 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.760 between you and it. Um, that's mixed reality, and that's 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.960 really ultimately what augmented reality will be in the future. Uh, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.880 we'll see. I'm starting to suspect have a real opinion 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.000 about this now. Again, I think there are totally people 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.559 the same people that loved Google Glass, which we'll get 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.520 too later. Uh, Whereas at the time, I was like, 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.400 this is not gonna work. I'm gonna I think you're wrong. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:17.680 I'm gonna argue against your argument later on. So, UM, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.360 we can explain a little bit about how this works. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:25.760 It is. We are not tech experts, and we're not 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.240 gonna go bother Jonathan Strickland right now, no, or bother ourselves, frankly, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.080 but we can give you sort of a brief the 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.880 briefest layman's overview of how this stuff works. Uh, there's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.560 a field of um, I mean, there's a lot of 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.640 disciplines in it called computer vision, that's really super complicated, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.360 but for our purposes, I guess we can just say 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:54.600 that computer vision basically, uh understands what's going on in 0:10:54.640 --> 0:11:00.400 the world around whoever is using the augmented reality. And 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.000 they do this by you know, there's there's got to 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.480 be an interaction, and we'll talk about the wearables and 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.200 the headsets and stuff as opposed to smartphones. But what 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.559 they use is something called a time of flight sensor, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.719 which is sort of works like a bat's use echolocation, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:22.280 except it's not echolocation. It's infrared light. So they bounced 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.480 this light and if you look at these things, it 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.200 looks like a almost like a little go pro camera 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.160 or something like that on your forehead, which sends out 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.400 these pulses of light that are reflected by the objects 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.480 around you, and then it measures the delay of that 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:44.040 light reflecting back to you to calculate, you know, everything, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.720 basically the depth of everything around you. Right, And then 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.480 every time it makes this measurement, it also says, I'm 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:56.080 a dork, that's right, because you're wearing this on your forehead, right. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.960 And we also see with two eyes, we have binocular vision, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.400 and so in order to simulate that Uh. They have 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:08.120 something called stereo cameras that are you know, uh, basically 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.560 placed like your eyeballs are at a fixed distance, and 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.439 then triangulates everything together to work with your two eyeballs, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.000 right exactly. So if you look at them, if you 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.360 have a new iPhone, if you look at the back, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.679 you'll see that there's two cameras on the back. Um, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.079 some cameras. I think hu way highway. I can't remember 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.080 how to pronounce it. They have a phone with three cameras, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:35.080 but does it? Okay? Um? But the the the input 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.960 from these cameras are providing slightly different information to the 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.400 onboard brain on your phone, and so it uses this 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:47.800 different information to triangulate it. Basically, um UM differentiates between 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.280 the information and says, okay, this is how far away 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.400 this this thing is, or this wall is, or this 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.480 you know, walkway goes, and it uses that information to 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:02.640 create UM the digitized layer that that is augmented reality 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.160 within the space that it realizes it's looking at. It's like, okay, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.600 this is what I have to work with. Let's get rendering. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.480 And that's the next step is rendering, which can be 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.800 as simple as UM adding like that layer of text 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.360 in front of you when you hold up that soup can. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.760 Or it can be far far more sophisticated, like say, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.400 using a Snapchat filter that makes you look like you're 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.640 wearing a cute little cat mask, but no matter where 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.640 you move your face up and down, or if you 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.360 open your mouth or something like that, it follows it perfectly, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.680 which would actually technically make the Snapchat filter mixed reality 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.760 rather than augmented reality. Yeah, I don't do the Snapchat thing, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.880 but you can do that on FaceTime. And I made 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.720 the mistake of doing that facetiming my kid, and now 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.680 that's all she wants to do whenever FaceTime is be 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.040 a monkey or a dinosaur or a lion or a 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.280 lizard or a robot or whatever, or which is kind 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.040 of fun and it is you know, uh, it is 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.400 pretty amazing that on this little phone you can stick 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.600 your tongue out and wrinkle your eyes and and you 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.160 can do that as a kiddiecat or a monkey in 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.839 real time. And so it does all this because of 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.760 all the facial facial recognition UM software aboard your phone, UM, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.120 the gyroscope you know where you're like, who who needs 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.920 a compass? So I'm not gonna walk around in the 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.480 woods with this thing all the time. Actually, do you really? Yeah? 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.440 I mean I've got in the woods, but you know me, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.280 I have a terrible sense of direction. So if I'm 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.120 in New York or wherever and I'm like, I need 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.200 to go north, then it's a very simple way to 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.560 find out. Yeah. True, but I'm I've always just used maps, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.280 and it's really good for maps. That's how it knows 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.040 which way you're facing is that gyroscope and GPS coordinates. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.240 So it's using all of this stuff, um, along with 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.560 facial recognition to to map and track where you're moving. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.960 And no matter whether it's rendering the soup can information 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.360 or the snapchat filter, um, it does this. It does 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.560 all these calculations in figures out where what's going on 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.680 in the room and your motion and where your faces 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.560 or where the soup can is all that stuff. It 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.520 doesn't every time the camera sends a frame of info 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.440 to the to the onboard computer on your phone, which 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:16.440 happens thirty times per second, So these calculations are being adjusted, analyzed, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.200 and re measured, and then the output is being put 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.120 out thirty times per second, which is pretty impressive. You 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.600 know what. I think you just hit on the key 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.600 difference in our outlook on this what it sounds like 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.040 you are primed for a r because I am someone 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.680 if I'm in New York, let's say, and I will say, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.320 I will say, uh, all right, I know I need 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.960 to go northeast to get to this place. So I'll 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.080 just chart what northeast is. I'll put the phone in 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.480 my pocket and I'll start walking. Start walk, And I 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.800 think you are more primed to look at your map 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.560 and go along the streets that it's telling you to go. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.240 On m I listened to the computer, is what you're saying. No, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.800 not necessarily, but like the I think those are two 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.360 distinct differences of like kinds of people and how they 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.720 interact with technology in the world around them. Whereas I 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.720 just want to know I'm going northeast and that's correct. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.360 A lot of people are wanted to look at that 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.280 map the whole way, and now they're going, like on 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.840 the exact right street to get them there. I guess 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.280 the quickest right, Which one do you think is correct? 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.200 I don't know. I mean I like to meander. Yeah, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.000 I like me and doing too. I'm with you too, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.040 for sure, But I also use ways like everywhere I 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.400 drive to I've never used it. It's really helpful, but 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.400 I don't I don't just sit like. I don't sit 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.560 there and like follow the ways app or anything like 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.800 I'm looking out the windows. So I would say I'm 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:40.160 somewhere between between you and like a Pokemon Go player. Well, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.960 I drive Emily crazy because I am quite comfortable get 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.760 it unless I'm in a hurry, not getting someplace as 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.640 quickly as possible, and she's always like, where are you going. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.400 I'm like, we'll get there eventually. I like that too. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.640 I like that too, So don't mistake me. I'm somewhere 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.320 in the middle. But yes, I feel like I'm a 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:03.080 little more um into yeah or um exploited by tech 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.600 than you are. So where did we leave off here? Um? 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.160 With the two types of augmented reality? Yeah? Did we would? 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.920 Did you say those? No, we haven't talked about because 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.080 I was just about to talk about marker and marker less. Yeah, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.080 those are the two broad categories. Yeah, and these, I mean, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.320 it's very simple and it makes a lot of sense. Uh. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.840 Marker based is basically if something is sort of pre 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.560 programmed and loaded into your program or your app or 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.680 your phone, and it knows you know, once you look 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.960 up at that thing, like the New York Public Library. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.520 If you're let's say you have an app about New 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.840 York history. I keep picking on New York here because 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.239 it's easy. Well we were just there too. Yeah, that's right. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.320 So it would have something preloaded about the New York 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.480 Public Library that will pop up in front of your face. Right, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.320 it recognizes the library goes oh, oh, I know that thing, yeah, exactly, 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.480 and it's it's out there information. It's a marker, yeah, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.840 or you know, could be a QR code, um market 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.280 loop can don't forget soup can chuck. Got to know 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:07.480 those sup recipes, right, it's add water. I don't even 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.840 add water. I think you're a chump if you add 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.159 water to condensed soup, because it's condensed to perfection. If 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.240 you ask me, do you just do the straight up? Yeah, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.479 I'd like it to not run off the spoon when 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.359 you hold the spoon upside down. Wow, all right, It 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.359 depends on the soup. Actually, I'm I'm kidding, but I 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.640 have eaten soup that I have not added water too. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.639 I would use a little less water like in a 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.399 let's say Campbell's chicken noodle. Sometimes you can get a 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.720 little watery, so I'll use like three quarters of a can. Maybe. Hey, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.240 I've got one for you. Have you ever had Progresso's 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.400 I don't remember. It's like supposedly they're like healthier version 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:49.040 or whatever, but they have a creamy chicken noodle. It's amazing. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.560 U me got it, And I just happened to be like, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.959 what's in the pantry. I'll open this and I ate it, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.199 and I like it so much that I would have 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.240 felt bad not mentioning it. Since we're talking about soup, Yeah, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.280 I'm a fan of can soup, of having that around. Yeah, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.320 it is that time of year. Two it is. It's 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.840 can soup time of year. Everyone. No one ever eats 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.119 can gaspacho in the summer. Can soup is like a 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.959 fall winter kind of thing. This episode brought to you 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:20.440 by Progresso. It's that time of year everyone. I wish 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.000 it were that easy. Uh? Where were we? Marker lists 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.600 is a little bit different and a little bit trickier. Uh. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.359 It basically means there are no markers, so your device 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.720 actually has actually recognize things and be smart enough to 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.280 say that's a soup can. Uh. And it's not pre 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.400 programmed in but I know what a soup can looks like. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.760 So here's what you do. Add water, right exactly. So 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.360 um that Pokemon Go apparently did that. For example, when 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.120 you were walking by a river, it would say, oh, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.480 I recognize a river. I recognize this bit of land 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.440 or something like that. And it doesn't have actual markers 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.679 that are pre programmed. It's just smart enough to know 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.920 a river when it sees a river, and it will 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.520 show you like a water loving pokemon like gyro dose 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.080 or something like that. Oh boy, all right, let's take 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.680 a break. I'm gonna forget that ever happened. We'll talk 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:26.800 about the history right after this. Stuff you should know, gosh, 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:42.240 stuff you should know. So this is brand new, right, Yes, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.879 no one has ever done anything with augmented reality until 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.359 Pokemon Go in two thousand six. I thought it was 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.159 interesting though that the very common thing that people might 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:58.679 not think about football fans is that that first down line. Uh. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.520 And now they have all kinds of off like yards 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.400 to go to make a kick maybe and stuff like that, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.959 but their overlays And we talked about that on some 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.080 other show some other episode. I can't remember. I couldn't 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.440 remember which one it was either, but we've definitely talked 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.040 about it. Yeah, but those screen overlays and from is 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:20.359 when they debuted sports vision, the glowing line that is 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.480 augmented reality. It is the kind I can get down with. Right, Well, 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.520 that's the so that works because you can only see 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.920 it from one point of view, right, So it really 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.880 works on TV because you can only see from one 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.600 point of view, which is the camera's point of view 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.239 when you're watching TV. Works really well, and you can 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.760 overlay all sorts of cool stuff. But um, what differentiates 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.040 that from the augmented reality that's coming around today is 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.360 that in the in the stands or whatever, maybe they 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.600 could project it so you know, you could see it 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.520 from one angle. Um, in the future, meaning like six 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.080 months from now, everybody will be sitting around in a 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.240 a football stadium and they will be able to see 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.159 the first down line from whatever their vantage point or 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.760 point of view is by looking through their phone, yeah, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.560 their headset. Eventually, I'll bet if there's not an app 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.440 out that you can do that with your phone yet, 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:19.560 I'm it's coming, yeah, very soon, I'm sure. I'm surprised 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.760 they haven't overlaid ads on the field and stuff. I'm 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.439 surprised by that too, which will probably push things forward 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:30.760 as well. Advertising. So, um, that was the first down 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:32.879 line came out, but it goes back way further than that. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.400 As a matter of fact, thirty years before that, there's 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.840 a guy named Ivan Sutherland who is a computer scientist, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.359 and he came up with a headset that you wore. 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.920 Um that looks a lot like a scary, clunky, old 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.159 turn of the century version of a VR headset, but 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.520 it drops you into these like wire frame rooms, wire 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:58.120 frame like you know, line drawn computer generated line drawn 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.520 like troni ish kind of rooms. I was gonna say 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.880