Speaker 1: Hi. Are you doing. Hi good? How are you very well?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, it's good to see you. Good to
Speaker 1: see you too. Cat you on mute? Oh am I muted? Huh,
Speaker 1: there you go, there we go. It's better. Welcome Caitlin
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking me. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how many years it's been. We talked
Speaker 1: about this quite a bit on the show. It's been
Speaker 1: seven years since we did the first season of the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, seven years. That's insane. Yeah, it's astounding
Speaker 1: how much it just has done. Enough far we've come
Speaker 1: and everything, and yet you know, the Shadow film is
Speaker 1: still going strong, so we wanted to. We couldn't obviously
Speaker 1: complete a season one Rewatch Slash Deep Dive without the
Speaker 1: one and only Camille. Oh. So, first of all, how
Speaker 1: are you. How's life? How's the family good? So I'm great.
Speaker 1: I now have two kids, which is crazy because when
Speaker 1: I first started Shadow Hunters, I didn't have any. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they're good. They're like I guess it makes
Speaker 1: sense because Avery is turning six this year and then
Speaker 1: my little one is two a half. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: brought Avery to set five weeks after I gave birth
Speaker 1: to her to shoot Shadow Hunters season two. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: little one was on set at like five weeks old,
Speaker 1: a little shadow Hunter baby. That's cute, That's really cool.
Speaker 1: That's something that's amazing about the show is, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back and seeing how how everyone's personalized have changed
Speaker 1: to you know, the all the kids and marriages and
Speaker 1: houses and everything that eat. Right after shadow Unters, people
Speaker 1: just started pumping out babies like left frind centers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing? What's you know, what's new?
Speaker 1: We're good. No kids as far as I know, no
Speaker 1: children as yet. Dogs and cats and that's what we're
Speaker 1: good with. But we're good. Yeah, Caitlin, why don't we
Speaker 1: start with sort of everyone? I've been sort of asking
Speaker 1: everyone to start in the same way. But tell us
Speaker 1: and tell the fans listening your baby steps, tell us
Speaker 1: how you how you got started with acting, how like
Speaker 1: where this world drew you in, what you found cool
Speaker 1: about it? You know, just give us a little a
Speaker 1: little Caitlin, what of this crazy industry? This crazy industry?
Speaker 1: So um, I originally wanted to be like a runway model,
Speaker 1: and that was like my dream or like Beyond Billboards,
Speaker 1: and so I got an agent when I was young,
Speaker 1: and they were like, listen, you're never going to be
Speaker 1: a runaway model. You're way too short. And I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: my dreams are crushed and try acting. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't sure. I don't think you're too sure, are you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm five four, I mean I feel now, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like Camille. I think was just like a bigger presence.
Speaker 1: But I'm a little I'm five four, And so they're like,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna be run away. Yeah, I know. So
Speaker 1: they kind of they put me in acting classes. And
Speaker 1: then I got an agent and I started auditioning for shows,
Speaker 1: and I booked a couple of things here and there,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I went through university. I did
Speaker 1: a lot of print or of high school, I did
Speaker 1: a lot of print modeling, and then I stayed in
Speaker 1: Toronto to the university, and um, I really wanted to
Speaker 1: get my degree before I decided to do anything. So
Speaker 1: I got a degree in psychology and then I booked
Speaker 1: a movie like my first lead at the same time.
Speaker 1: So I filmed it, came back, graduated, and then I
Speaker 1: decided it was just like the industry kind of was like, yeah, nope,
Speaker 1: you're going to do this, and then I kind of
Speaker 1: put all my eggs in that basket and went went
Speaker 1: with it. And um, I've been, you know, really lucky
Speaker 1: that I can still do what I love and I've
Speaker 1: been in the industry for a long time. And it
Speaker 1: is a crazy industry, that's for sure, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I wouldn't do anything else. Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit why you chose psychology
Speaker 1: and what what was sort of behind that. I'm always
Speaker 1: curious is to you know, why people study what they do.
Speaker 1: I originally wanted to be like a like an operational nurse,
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, that's never gonna work for you,
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to be like that person, and
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I'm she was so rum But I
Speaker 1: think when nursing, like when I did my first year,
Speaker 1: I had to do psychology, and I just fell in
Speaker 1: love with it. I feel like most people that's how
Speaker 1: they kind of get into They took a site course
Speaker 1: and then they're like this is so interesting and then
Speaker 1: there's so much more. So, um, yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go into like do therapy for people help. I just
Speaker 1: want to help people, and I really found psychology super
Speaker 1: interesting and relatable to everyone and everything. So I ran
Speaker 1: a pet therapy program at the Center for Addiction Mental
Speaker 1: Health here in Toronto for while I was finishing university. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to work there. That's why. Like, I
Speaker 1: ran this program with my family dog and she was
Speaker 1: amazing and I learned so much more there than I
Speaker 1: did in school, because you're like, just like acting. It's
Speaker 1: like you can take a million classes, but until you
Speaker 1: get on set, that's when you really learned, right, Um,
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to work at cam ATE, which
Speaker 1: is set of Tradition mental health, and then I booked
Speaker 1: a movie and realized that this is what I want
Speaker 1: to do. So yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Pet therapy
Speaker 1: is therapy with pets, right, yeah, therapy for pets. Like
Speaker 1: it's an addiculous thing. I lived in l a for
Speaker 1: like six years, and we bumped into this person who
Speaker 1: was a pet not mystic, Like, um, what are they
Speaker 1: called the people you go to talk? Yeah, no, but
Speaker 1: kind of, but they like read who are the psychic? Psychic?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, Thank you very much. It was
Speaker 1: a pet psychic, and they would like, you want to
Speaker 1: talk to your dead dog because we can do it here.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, okay, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think because I couldn't talk to him when he was alive.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you're gonna offer me, Like
Speaker 1: you also translator, this is the weird, weird things. You
Speaker 1: say it like it's a crazy thing, like therapy for pets.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you're right in l A. There's
Speaker 1: a world for it. I think so too. You're absolutely
Speaker 1: right crazy. I'm glad it wasn't that. I'm glad it
Speaker 1: was therapy with pets. I think that might be more
Speaker 1: beneficial around. Yes, I think so. So talk to us
Speaker 1: a little bit about your journey with shadow Hunters. So
Speaker 1: you've been the industry for a while, you're working in Toronto,
Speaker 1: you're working probably all over Canada. I can only sue,
Speaker 1: and this comes across your proverbial desk. What were your
Speaker 1: first impressions of Camille? What was your sort of did
Speaker 1: you know of the book series? What was your journey
Speaker 1: into into our world? So I was obsessed with vampires.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I was just like
Speaker 1: the most obsessed with vampires really, you know they were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so weird, like before Shadow Hunters. Um. I
Speaker 1: just loved the vampires, like I want to be a
Speaker 1: vampire like in real life. I was just like, I
Speaker 1: thought they were so cool. I don't know, maybe like
Speaker 1: which ones, you know, because because vampires went all the
Speaker 1: way from like No s Ferrato in the in the
Speaker 1: twenties through like Blade Buffy, Like which generation vampires? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like so Buffy. I was always that that's
Speaker 1: like definitely my generation growing up. And then of course,
Speaker 1: like the Twilight thing blew up and everyone was a vampire, werewolf, vampire,
Speaker 1: were world. I just like loved it. I thought it
Speaker 1: would be really cool to play a vampire, I think
Speaker 1: more so than anything. And so when I cut the
Speaker 1: audition for Camille, I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: would be my dream come true. Um. I just thought
Speaker 1: she was such a good character. I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about the books prior to going into even audition for it. Um,
Speaker 1: but I booked it the next day, and honestly, it
Speaker 1: was it was insane. I mean, I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: all liked it right away. Yeah. I had auditioned for
Speaker 1: a couple of things before that, Um oh this happened.
Speaker 1: I think I helped you. Auditions. Yeah, I auditioned for
Speaker 1: Izzy first, and then they wanted me to audition for DOT,
Speaker 1: but I was in Bali, so I couldn't. Then I
Speaker 1: came back and Camille came and I was so happy
Speaker 1: because I was like, this is the one I would
Speaker 1: really want to do. And then I found out the
Speaker 1: next day and then it was just crazy. It was
Speaker 1: like it was just like really overwhelming and crazy, and
Speaker 1: then fans and everything, so it was a whirlwind. But um,
Speaker 1: then I got down to research because I soon found
Speaker 1: out that I don't look anything like Camille does in
Speaker 1: the books, which was a problem for people at the beginning.
Speaker 1: As it always is, you have to give act as
Speaker 1: the opportunity to prove themselves. It's really important and it's
Speaker 1: important that like we give people chances, like this is
Speaker 1: our industry, this is what we do. There's this new
Speaker 1: one going around that people have pissed that Amelia Clark
Speaker 1: isn't blonde. The show is about dragons. I know, I
Speaker 1: know she's Alia Clark. I guess it's like when people
Speaker 1: are so invested in the book and like as you know,
Speaker 1: when you read a book, you you're watching it in
Speaker 1: your head, right, So they get it's so invested with
Speaker 1: these characters. And then when I pop up as Camille,
Speaker 1: who was like you know she was She's such a
Speaker 1: badass character, They're like, that's not which I pictured her
Speaker 1: to look like. So, you know, I had some hate
Speaker 1: and then I had some luve, and I just felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to really figure out who Camille is. So
Speaker 1: I did a lot of research, read research everything because
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm not I don't look like her,
Speaker 1: but I need to beat her and just to like
Speaker 1: give the fans with you wanted because I get that,
Speaker 1: I get their like disappointment. Although I was really hoping
Speaker 1: to rock a blonde wig. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 1: I was like, do it? Did they ever try one on?
Speaker 1: Did was that ever a remote possibility? Or did they
Speaker 1: just keep your I mean, your hair is gorgeous. No.
Speaker 1: I was so hoping to I mean, I just like
Speaker 1: I thought it would be really cool, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: to rock a blonde wig, and I still would look
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but at least give you know,
Speaker 1: give them that, But they did, I mean I was
Speaker 1: wearing a wig. I was wearing like a double wig.
Speaker 1: It was extremely extremely heavy on my head. But it
Speaker 1: was black. It was like dark hair. But no, that
Speaker 1: was never a thing, unfortunately. But that's okay. I think
Speaker 1: I love Camille anyway. I love what they did with
Speaker 1: her so and we love your Camille as well. He
Speaker 1: did a great job, absolutely, and huge credit to for
Speaker 1: all the research that you did, because you and David
Speaker 1: Castro really got to establish what vampires are on our show.
Speaker 1: And this is you know, this is something Dom and
Speaker 1: I got to speak about when we were rewatching the episodes.
Speaker 1: But there's so many different iterations of vampires over all,
Speaker 1: across all media, and we got to as you know,
Speaker 1: you got to invent Camille of your own accord. You
Speaker 1: and David sort of got to invent what vampires are
Speaker 1: in our world and established and without the two of
Speaker 1: you who brought such you especially being the leader of
Speaker 1: the vampire clan, who brought so much gravitas and history
Speaker 1: and nuance to what that character was, it really set
Speaker 1: us up for you know, success in the future. Oh well,
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, it was just so fun to
Speaker 1: like read about her backstory, you know, she's been around
Speaker 1: for hundreds and hundreds of years, and you know she's
Speaker 1: mean and evil, but she's sly and like, you know,
Speaker 1: she she had like she had to have charm where
Speaker 1: you would just hate her like that, you know that
Speaker 1: all the villains are. But yeah, I loved her backstory.
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. I really loved doing the
Speaker 1: research for her. There's an interesting sort of theological concept
Speaker 1: that comes with immortality that eventually you will always end
Speaker 1: up being somewhat the bad guy. Like if you look
Speaker 1: over history, if you just human beings and obviously they're
Speaker 1: four theoretically vampire history as well. Watching society make the
Speaker 1: same mistakes and repeat things like war and genocide and
Speaker 1: you know, all of these horrendous things that just sort
Speaker 1: of keep cycling through history. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: do anything but lose faith, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very easy thing to happen for
Speaker 1: vampires to end up like, yeah, we really don't care
Speaker 1: about these people because they do consistently make the same mistakes,
Speaker 1: despite guidance, despite learning from them, and having that mistake
Speaker 1: written down and redivulged in schools again and again and again.
Speaker 1: These mistakes still end up happening. So I there's a
Speaker 1: world in which I understand these like jaded vampires who
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, they're just food, Like I'm into that,
Speaker 1: not that that's what I'm into in any way shape
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. No, I think that's so well sad Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially for what's going on right now in
Speaker 1: our current state of the world, which is a dark
Speaker 1: I feel a dark time right now. You're right, it's
Speaker 1: like history repeats itself, and so when you go through
Speaker 1: that over and over and over again, you you're desensitize.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't care, Like I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to get attached to you because you'll die or whatever.
Speaker 1: We're great And that's kind of how she looked at life.
Speaker 1: I feel, um, but you're that was so well sadsolutely,
Speaker 1: I hug It's not mine. So someone else's theory. I
Speaker 1: can't take any credit for it. I don't remember whose
Speaker 1: it was. Person on Wine. Well, there was such an
Speaker 1: intriguing quality that you you brought to Camille, and that
Speaker 1: she had this this sense of fashion and gravitas, and
Speaker 1: and her look was so much of who she was,
Speaker 1: which played into part of our vampire world being that
Speaker 1: they're the collectors of items, but Camille almost seemed like
Speaker 1: a collector of people as well, be it Simon or
Speaker 1: Raphael or you know, all of these madness even in
Speaker 1: a way, is that something that sort of played into
Speaker 1: the creation of that character or what what what did
Speaker 1: you kind of pull from when you were doing your
Speaker 1: your research and everything. Yeah, I mean I love the
Speaker 1: dynamic and the different relationships she had. Like with Simon,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like her she got pure satisfaction
Speaker 1: and joy out of tormenting him right until like as
Speaker 1: he was especially turning into a vampire. Um. And the
Speaker 1: same with with David as well, Like there their relationship
Speaker 1: was so like good cop bad cop kind of thing. Um.
Speaker 1: I just like, I don't know, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure that each relationship was played differently, Like she
Speaker 1: treated Simon differently. Then of course Raphael and then Magnus
Speaker 1: was always the one constant that I feel like, I
Speaker 1: kind of just felt like Camille, if she were to
Speaker 1: even have a heart, it would be like the smallest
Speaker 1: amount would be for Magnets. Like there was just that history,
Speaker 1: And I think it's because of the history and the
Speaker 1: going three things over and over again and always you know,
Speaker 1: coming back that I wanted to establish that relationship to
Speaker 1: be completely different than with everyone else. Not to say
Speaker 1: that she had a soft spot, but sort of do
Speaker 1: you know, I think like a soft spot in like
Speaker 1: a Camille way, Yeah, a soft of a spot as
Speaker 1: Camille can have. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And maybe she does
Speaker 1: have a softspot, but she would always like hide that,
Speaker 1: you know, and keep it, you know. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, adding onto that theory we're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, Like I don't think necessarily your sense
Speaker 1: of morality or empathy or compassion disappears. I think it's
Speaker 1: just it's jaded, its shadows, like it's something you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't need this this thing anymore because it's been
Speaker 1: proven to not be effective to me. Um. So I
Speaker 1: think Camille absolutely has it. I think it's there, and
Speaker 1: I think we just didn't see it very often. She's
Speaker 1: hiding that stuff. I mean, she's been around for hundreds
Speaker 1: of years, so she you know, she has that. She
Speaker 1: just has that like knowledge you know when you yeah, so, well,
Speaker 1: she's a survivor. Speaking of the hundred of years, what
Speaker 1: was it like to do because you guys did didn't
Speaker 1: you do? Like a whole photo shoot sort of through
Speaker 1: the years. Yeah, like costumes from likes than now You
Speaker 1: and Harry right and did um Yes, Adam, that was
Speaker 1: honestly one of my favorite moments. The costume, hair and
Speaker 1: makeup was amazing. I wanted so badly. I think originally
Speaker 1: it was like we were supposed to have a scene
Speaker 1: where we're at the party in those costumes. Something happened
Speaker 1: we ended up having to, like, you know, just do
Speaker 1: the photos and whatever and take the pictures. I just
Speaker 1: thought that that was honestly so amazing. And Camille style
Speaker 1: was always great, but dressing up like in that era
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. I love. I really wish I could see
Speaker 1: that picture. I can't even like picture right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: like what it really looks like, but I'm sure we
Speaker 1: could track it down. But how much how much input
Speaker 1: did you get to have as far as can you
Speaker 1: look and the hair and the makeup and the wardrobe.
Speaker 1: Did you get to be a part of that process
Speaker 1: or did they have it all planned and it just
Speaker 1: somehow worked perfectly on you? Because you're well, the dress,
Speaker 1: like that gorgeous dress you wore for the first episode
Speaker 1: was like made for me, so they like literally like
Speaker 1: I didn't have any input on it, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was just the most stunning dress ever. It was
Speaker 1: so gorgeous, like nude under with the black lace over. Um.
Speaker 1: I we definitely were. We were great with like what
Speaker 1: jewelry do you want to weigh? Like, you know, especially
Speaker 1: with hair and makeup. Hair was a little less um
Speaker 1: of a thing because I had to like these wigs
Speaker 1: were like so together. It was like two big wigs um,
Speaker 1: which was really happy. So I mean like the hair
Speaker 1: was just there. It was just a state before her,
Speaker 1: which I loved. I mean, I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in terms of like nails and makeup and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, I uh, we definitely worked all together
Speaker 1: to do that stuff. Wardrobe I think was just done.
Speaker 1: They were like this is this dress was made for
Speaker 1: Camille and um at old photo that we were just
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't even remember if I had an option.
Speaker 1: It was just like this huge, gorgeous green gown and
Speaker 1: I was just more excited to be putting it with
Speaker 1: my hair up in that awesome Yeah, and Adam was
Speaker 1: so great, like he was hilarious. I just I really
Speaker 1: loved him and Harry's relationship as well, so it was fun,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Were there characters that you've seen, because you
Speaker 1: said obviously that you were a huge fan of vampires
Speaker 1: previously vampires or not vampires. Were there characters or people
Speaker 1: or anyone you've met people in your life who did
Speaker 1: you draw on to sort of develop who Camill was
Speaker 1: or was there any some some people some actors don't
Speaker 1: do that. Um, I don't think I draw on anyone
Speaker 1: like personally that I knew, because she was just such
Speaker 1: like a I mean, I've definitely done that with other characters,
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I don't think I know anyone
Speaker 1: who's as badass as Camille. I wish I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be best friends with her, but no, she
Speaker 1: I just kind of like it up on the box.
Speaker 1: I knew that these these fans were dedicated to these characters,
Speaker 1: and the fans were, as I'm sure you guys can agree,
Speaker 1: are one of the, if not the best, part of
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters. They were just so incredible. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted to give her justice and to do her justice.
Speaker 1: So I just really read up and researched what she
Speaker 1: was like and kind of drew from what I would
Speaker 1: imagine she was like, I kind of just meet. I
Speaker 1: don't think I based her on anyone in particular, although
Speaker 1: this is seven years ago. I don't know. Maybe I did.
Speaker 1: I can't really know. It's so funny. That's what we
Speaker 1: keep finding, is like we'll rewatch things and I'll say
Speaker 1: something in one of the episodes. Then I'll get to
Speaker 1: another episode and I'm like, that's not what I did,
Speaker 1: And now I remember what I did. This is a
Speaker 1: complete lie. What I said in the previous episode. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about, because it was just
Speaker 1: like we started filming, So your episodes, your episodes, you're
Speaker 1: early episodes, would have been seven years ago, which is
Speaker 1: crazy that seven years, seven years and two kids later
Speaker 1: for you. That's wild. Yeah. Actually, I can't even remember
Speaker 1: what I did on Friday, so I mean, it's remember.
Speaker 1: But this is something that I just have to say
Speaker 1: because it's so true for you and for for so
Speaker 1: many of the folks on Shadow Hunters. Is the casting
Speaker 1: was so brilliant on this show. As someone who you know,
Speaker 1: I read all the books and getting to see all
Speaker 1: of these characters being brought in and meeting all of
Speaker 1: you often in hair, makeup, boardrobe, costume for the first
Speaker 1: time and seeing you dive in and bring so much
Speaker 1: to it. Everyone cared so much about the characters and
Speaker 1: did all the research. But there's also an inherent quality
Speaker 1: in each person you know, your yourself included. I think
Speaker 1: I think you're a lot more of about us than
Speaker 1: you give yourself credit for, um and and there's so
Speaker 1: much of of who you are inherently that gave Camille
Speaker 1: that extra little edge, and that extra is something special
Speaker 1: that I think really brought the magic for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, to her on screen. So just thank
Speaker 1: you for for being the team player. Sweet Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was I missed Shadow Hunters so much. I missed
Speaker 1: all characters. I really was bummed when we had to stop.
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. Well, and you were such
Speaker 1: a trooper going through so many different things from you know,
Speaker 1: being in eight inch heels in a graveyard or you know,
Speaker 1: getting locked in a coffin and having to st head off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet right. Yeah, that was actually like one of
Speaker 1: the hardest things I've ever had to do in my career.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like I realized that I'm like I
Speaker 1: think I'm a little claustrophobic, and I also think it's
Speaker 1: being locked in a coffin with chains was also like
Speaker 1: a dark you know. I was breaking out inside my
Speaker 1: heart was like pounding. It's not wild. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: something I would have wanted to do at all. It's
Speaker 1: a really it's a I think Alberta had a similar
Speaker 1: experience when he did his emergency was talking about it
Speaker 1: like it's it's not a fun thing to like, it's
Speaker 1: not something that you're supposed to go through as a
Speaker 1: human being. Yeah, it was weird. It was just like
Speaker 1: Steve that was our our stunt guy for season right,
Speaker 1: he was like that he had his hand in like
Speaker 1: a hole, like holding my leg or my arm or something,
Speaker 1: just to be like it's okay, Like there isn't out
Speaker 1: because I was freaking out. I was so scared, and yeah, claustrophobic,
Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to get put back into a box.
Speaker 1: I completely understand. Okay, I have a question for you,
Speaker 1: because me and my girlfriend were discussing this recently. If
Speaker 1: your kids this is not even vaguely Shadow Hunters related,
Speaker 1: It's just occurred to me. I'm not really good host
Speaker 1: of this show. That's what we're learning because I just
Speaker 1: I go off through. Um, if if your kids, either
Speaker 1: of them or both of them, wanted to pursue a
Speaker 1: career in acting, what would you say to them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would never want to take that. If they really
Speaker 1: wanted to do that, I don't think I would be
Speaker 1: able to say no. Um, it's hard. I would just
Speaker 1: have to steer them in the right direction because, as
Speaker 1: you know, it can go off and to so many
Speaker 1: other horrible directions. Um, it would be hard, I think
Speaker 1: because as we all know, like you know, people glamorize
Speaker 1: the industry. I really do, especially when you're young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really rough. So I had a I had a theory.
Speaker 1: I'm not a parent yet, so I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is necessarily going to be the
Speaker 1: right thing. My first kid is going to be very experimental, basically,
Speaker 1: is what we're figuring out. I'm going to take a
Speaker 1: lot of like, let's see if this works with you.
Speaker 1: And I think what I've sort of vaguely decided is
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, I need you to go through a
Speaker 1: certain level of school. I need you to develop who
Speaker 1: you were going to be as a human being before
Speaker 1: the industry tries to develop you because it will, it
Speaker 1: will try and raise you a certain way. And that's
Speaker 1: sort of what I've landed on, is like you need
Speaker 1: to have and sixteens, Like I didn't really know who
Speaker 1: I was at sixteen. I was still learning, I was
Speaker 1: still growing, but I had I had sort of my basis.
Speaker 1: I had my morality that was in place, Like I
Speaker 1: had my semblance of right and wrong. I understood whatever
Speaker 1: it was. And I think that's where my headspace is
Speaker 1: at now with kids. I think you need to know
Speaker 1: who you are before you start pretending to be somebody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not just to be able to do a good job,
Speaker 1: but also because there's as you say, like we've all
Speaker 1: worked with people who were like that person kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily because they got into it early.
Speaker 1: It's not for any reason necessarily other than the industry
Speaker 1: has kind of told them that there is a way
Speaker 1: to behave that is not the correct way to behave.
Speaker 1: I think my kids need to know how to behave first,
Speaker 1: and then if you still want to do it, also
Speaker 1: gives you enough time to be like, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this, Like I'm not sure. That's one
Speaker 1: of the things as well. So if you got any
Speaker 1: other towns, that's sort of where my headspace is a
Speaker 1: kind of right now. Yeah, that's a good But like,
Speaker 1: what if they're you know, nine, and they're like, please,
Speaker 1: please please see the sky, isn't it? Yeah? What if
Speaker 1: they're nine and a role comes up in something that
Speaker 1: either I'm doing or a friends doing that they'd be
Speaker 1: perfect for, like them, what do you do, you know,
Speaker 1: like a star making role. What do you do at
Speaker 1: that point? It's such a tricky thing. I know. I think.
Speaker 1: I think because we are actors and we've been in
Speaker 1: the industry for so long, we've seen the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: the ugly, glamorous, right, I think maybe we would have
Speaker 1: a better upper hand in kind of steering them in
Speaker 1: the right way, do you know what I mean? Because like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're on set and you're you know, you're treated like royalty,
Speaker 1: and then but that's that's ending, Like it's over now
Speaker 1: when you come back to reality and um hang out
Speaker 1: with children instead of adults, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I feel like kids can grow up so much
Speaker 1: faster on set. But yeah, that's the thing you've got
Speaker 1: to be if they're begging you at nine ten years old,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what do you do? I mean, Avery
Speaker 1: has been in two movies already. Were they things you
Speaker 1: were working on or something else? Yeah? Yeah, of Persist
Speaker 1: movie I ever did with with Vivica a Fox, and
Speaker 1: they needed a child to play her granddaughter who was
Speaker 1: like a mixed, like an ethnically ambiguous child, and Avery
Speaker 1: does look ethnically and to us, so it was like
Speaker 1: can she do it? She was a baby, she was like, um,
Speaker 1: a year and a half. Maybe I don't even think
Speaker 1: she was a year and a half. She was young,
Speaker 1: she's a baby, and she she was in a movie
Speaker 1: with me, playing the vicar's granddaughter. And then a few
Speaker 1: years later I was a producer on Christmas with the
Speaker 1: Prince and they, I think, like a little actor didn't
Speaker 1: show up and so I got to put her in
Speaker 1: like a little scene and that's yeah. It was really
Speaker 1: it was more for me because she was so young
Speaker 1: and little. She didn't really remember it, but it was
Speaker 1: just something for me that I could be like, I
Speaker 1: have this like forever on, like the two of us
Speaker 1: in the scene, you know together. That's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I like that and I think you're right about like
Speaker 1: being a parent in the industry, you have a responsibility
Speaker 1: because you have this understanding of how the industry works, right,
Speaker 1: you have this responsibility. So my mom, I remember this vividly.
Speaker 1: My mom came to to my first episode Big Formier,
Speaker 1: ironically for a vampire movie. I did call Vampire Academy,
Speaker 1: so they flew her out. She arrives like three and
Speaker 1: a half hours late. I don't know what's happened. Turns
Speaker 1: out she had a fight with Border Control, which is
Speaker 1: very my mom. She's had this argument with Border Control,
Speaker 1: she said. So it's something along the lines of like
Speaker 1: he was like, what are you what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And she went on, that's your business it is, But
Speaker 1: there you go. Anyway, she arrives and we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of like round table press, me and Lucy Frying,
Speaker 1: my costar, and somewhat an assistant or someone came over
Speaker 1: at some point and said, hey, can can we get
Speaker 1: you anything? Do you need anything? And I said, actually yes,
Speaker 1: I would love just a bottle of water, a glass
Speaker 1: of water, thank you very much. And my mom, unbeknown
Speaker 1: to me, it's just walked in at the back of
Speaker 1: the room and she goes. First thing she says to me,
Speaker 1: she went, no, get your own fucking water. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's how I know I'm always going to be a
Speaker 1: normal kid in this industry because my mom. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I love your mom. Yeah, your mom is wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you missed. Yeah, we were in she came
Speaker 1: season one with my little brother and my stepdad, but
Speaker 1: we were doing stuff with Jade in the woods, so
Speaker 1: we didn't interact that much after after just be the graveyard.
Speaker 1: It was the graveyard was I think the last time
Speaker 1: we really might have been the last time you and
Speaker 1: I interacted in the show. No, weren't you there when
Speaker 1: we were looking for the Oh you weren't. They were
Speaker 1: trying to save you. Wasn't it right when we were
Speaker 1: trying to find the book? Yeah, okay, so it was
Speaker 1: just a graveyard. The gray night was fun. That was long.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was a night. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a long night. It did look amazing. Vampire Speed is
Speaker 1: also something we should talk about. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us about Vampire Speed in Stilettos. Vampire Speed was
Speaker 1: a little scary in Stilettos at the Graveyard because you
Speaker 1: know you could sink, but I just did it. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, yeah, I feel like I was in
Speaker 1: those heels so much that I got used to them.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it now, though I'd
Speaker 1: be really scared. I'd probably fall and break my Yeah,
Speaker 1: they sort of fused your feet after a while, don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally they were, and they were like, yeah, they were, okay,
Speaker 1: I just I did it. I crossed my fingers and said,
Speaker 1: please don't fall, please, it would be awful. But I didn't, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think you fell once. You didn't even stumble. No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't think. God, but that would have been awful.
Speaker 1: Into a grave, that'd be great. I fell in my
Speaker 1: combat boots that the two or three when we come
Speaker 1: and save Simon and I broke my ankle. It was
Speaker 1: just it was, yeah, probably four or five episodes. I
Speaker 1: couldn't walk. I was on crutches. It was horrendous. And
Speaker 1: that's sort of even in stilettos. That was I don't
Speaker 1: even think I was running. I think I just went
Speaker 1: over on it. It was and I was in like
Speaker 1: active footwear and I just went down. So credit to
Speaker 1: you ladies. Fod just being so much more athletic than
Speaker 1: I could ever be. I don't know about that. You
Speaker 1: had to do like fights and stuff and like healed
Speaker 1: boots and so did so did um oh my god,
Speaker 1: her out? Yeah remember her, Like I'm I got her.
Speaker 1: Her heels probably made mine look, you know, lame. I
Speaker 1: think they were pretty similar. I think that's why I
Speaker 1: got confused with your height, because you it was a
Speaker 1: solid like I was like in my head, I was like,
Speaker 1: she's at least five nine, Like that's crazy, that's been
Speaker 1: crazy thing to say. So your heels most at least
Speaker 1: five inches. That's assuming that I know how to just
Speaker 1: eyeball height down to the inch's exactly five nins, exactly
Speaker 1: five nights. Well, to be fair, dumb, you you gentlemen
Speaker 1: are all quite tall, and a lot of us ladies
Speaker 1: on the show were very short, so you know, getting
Speaker 1: to have us in the same frame. Um, I'm only
Speaker 1: five five five six maybe on a good day in
Speaker 1: the morning, and uh, you know it's it's I never
Speaker 1: know tall I am anymore I don't know in the
Speaker 1: morning than you are later in the day. Though, There's
Speaker 1: no way it's true, like hunch, because gravity just like
Speaker 1: infantessm gravity. Yeah, so in theory, I'm thinner in the
Speaker 1: morning also when I wake up because I've been horizontal
Speaker 1: be affected by gravity for eight hours. I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. That's the exact same thing that you're saying.
Speaker 1: That's the exact same I feel like if you weigh
Speaker 1: yourself in the morning, I feel like you'd be be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I'd probably be lighter because I've been doing
Speaker 1: something without putting anything into my body for I don't
Speaker 1: know if i'd actually be physically because gravity has had
Speaker 1: an effect on my body. That's true. Where do I
Speaker 1: compress cat? Where is gravity having this effect on me?
Speaker 1: Isn't my spine? Is my spine compressing by an inch?
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't know if it's a full inch,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, I don't like it. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna measure myself tonight. And then again it's always get
Speaker 1: into weird yeah, bars on this podcast, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: It's we have many science lessons in the midst of
Speaker 1: return the shadows, whether or not they're accurate as another story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know yet. Don't take that to the bank.
Speaker 1: Not I don't know if that's cocktail talk at your
Speaker 1: next party or event or when you're with friends. Because
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true yet, let me do
Speaker 1: some research back to you. We'll do some research cheap.
Speaker 1: Since shadow Hunters, you've you know, you've done so much
Speaker 1: and and you've been a producer around things and you've
Speaker 1: done This is what I love about shadow Hunters is
Speaker 1: now it's been seven years, we get to look and
Speaker 1: we get to see where people have gone since then.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit you've done. You've been
Speaker 1: a producer on seven on a few things now right
Speaker 1: and kind of moving forward, and a few things with Hallmark.
Speaker 1: And I just worked with Hallmark for the first time
Speaker 1: as well. And it's there's such a wonderful preview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I saw it. You look amazing. Yeah, those movies.
Speaker 1: I have to shoot another wrong com next week. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done. I've done quite a few of those. They're great,
Speaker 1: They're awesome and and people are always so lovely on them.
Speaker 1: And yes, those companies are so free to work for
Speaker 1: um And yeah, I was given the opportunity to be
Speaker 1: a producer on one of my Christmas movies, like the
Speaker 1: sequel of It and I had the opportunity to learn,
Speaker 1: Like I had never been a producer before. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what a producer does. I kind of still don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like they just put out fires like all day.
Speaker 1: So I just took that as like a really great
Speaker 1: learning experience. And then I shadowed directors. I shadowed many
Speaker 1: directors now over the years, and I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Like seeing the other side of it puts so much
Speaker 1: into perspective. It's like the actors haven't even gone on
Speaker 1: the set yet and there's already been like five emergencies
Speaker 1: that they're trying to figure out and like reconfigure, and
Speaker 1: and then the actor comes on and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and they don't even know that. People, I'm
Speaker 1: like putting up claims for them. I'm so tired, Like
Speaker 1: you're what you know, idea, like what exact actually? Um.
Speaker 1: So I've really enjoyed doing stuff like that and just
Speaker 1: learning about, you know, the behind the scenes and the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Ye would you direct if that opportunity
Speaker 1: came you would love to direct? Yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: to know. I was like in talks with the production
Speaker 1: company that I work for to hopefully direct soon but yeah,
Speaker 1: Like she was like, you know, you can act and direct,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, way, I am not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had that opportunity place not placed
Speaker 1: I've had it. I've had the question positive to me
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I'm like, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I could because I don't think I could,
Speaker 1: even just from the completely selfish, I don't think I
Speaker 1: could be critical about myself in in a neutral way.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could see I could just see
Speaker 1: what I'm doing wrong and then you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and like not see the sort of the entire picture.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do that. Like I'm fairly
Speaker 1: critical as an actor anyway, and I don't think I
Speaker 1: could do it as a whole thing. I think it
Speaker 1: would be easier to do it, and just like everyone else,
Speaker 1: you well, especially while you're doing something else that's relatively new.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're experiment you're you're directing for one
Speaker 1: of the first times, and it's a new new set
Speaker 1: of tools that you're trying to figure out. Because every
Speaker 1: job on set is its own and its entirely on
Speaker 1: its own. The whole set of skills and responsibilities and
Speaker 1: challenges and then to have to double task. Would I
Speaker 1: think would be um a lot but interesting. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would definitely be interesting. It would be I just I
Speaker 1: would too petrified to try it. I'd be like, I, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like way, I'd be like, no, I'm already I
Speaker 1: would already be so scared to direct because you're like,
Speaker 1: this is a whole new thing, I've never done this before,
Speaker 1: and then you're also act in no way, So I
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, Like I like, I would
Speaker 1: love to maybe do a little wrong comm or Christmas
Speaker 1: movie because I've done my fair share of those, so um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I definitely would. I think there needs to
Speaker 1: be more female voices in the in the industry. Agree. Um,
Speaker 1: you did Spinning Out with Yeah and Kaya? Yes? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you guys did maze rounds. We did. Yes,
Speaker 1: we talked about you. She loves you. Um yeah, Spinning
Speaker 1: Out was it was amazing. I'm so sad that that
Speaker 1: didn't take off. Do you have a background in ice skating? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I used to figure skate competitively when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I quit and I never put skates
Speaker 1: on again and had no desire to at all. And
Speaker 1: so I auditioned for the show and I got this
Speaker 1: really great character, Leah, who was so mean, like so mean,
Speaker 1: and I was like, excellent, I love this. But I
Speaker 1: had to get the skates back one and we were
Speaker 1: training for like months before we even went to camera,
Speaker 1: like every single day. It was a lot in freezing
Speaker 1: cold ranks. And I mean I had had a kid
Speaker 1: at that point. In fact, actually when we filmed the finale,
Speaker 1: I just found out I was pregnant with my second
Speaker 1: and Johnny Weir, who is yeah, amazing, and he was
Speaker 1: like one of the first people I told because we
Speaker 1: were I had to tell him, Like I was a
Speaker 1: little nervous. I mean, I feel comfortable on the ice,
Speaker 1: but you know, anything could happen. But um, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a lot. I've never had to train so hard
Speaker 1: for something other than a dance movie, but this was
Speaker 1: this was even more. It was a lot. So but yeah, Kaya,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she was so great. She's really wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she had never been on ice before and they had
Speaker 1: to like teach her how to skate. That's incredible. I
Speaker 1: mean I have little to no experience on ice. And
Speaker 1: we had one scene that you know, was a really
Speaker 1: big deal on the ice. But but I couldn't even
Speaker 1: imagine doing a whole show. That's that's fascinating. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fun. It was. That was another bummer that didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, work out because it was a great show.
Speaker 1: I touched on so many things and mental health and
Speaker 1: sport and you know, the competitiveness. But it happened. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was so weird. You just never know.
Speaker 1: You just never know, no matter how confident you are
Speaker 1: or how right something is, you just never know what
Speaker 1: people are going to respond to. It's such it's such
Speaker 1: a weird animal. And then I guess as well because
Speaker 1: there's always sort of that disparity of time between like
Speaker 1: this show is going to land, like everything that's going
Speaker 1: on right in this moment, this show is going to land,
Speaker 1: and then it can take like a year for it
Speaker 1: to come out and the world changes and you're like
Speaker 1: everyone's going to hate it. Now this is the right time,
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, for sure, that would be that would
Speaker 1: be a rough situation, a rough girl. But I mean
Speaker 1: I was confident when I got the call from producers.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're getting We're gonna get, We're getting
Speaker 1: renewed and they were like Hi. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: that's a bad high. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I thought they were joking. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not no way like, but yeah, it happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we've all been on that receiving
Speaker 1: end of calls and yeah, we certainly have. When I
Speaker 1: got the call for this, I was with I was
Speaker 1: I was doing like a European drinking tour with Matt Dadario.
Speaker 1: So I we were in we were in like a nightclub,
Speaker 1: and I get this call and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should answer. This is my boss. So I go out,
Speaker 1: take the call, come back in and he's like, is
Speaker 1: everything okay? And I'm like, get your phone out, and
Speaker 1: he gets his phone out and as soon as it
Speaker 1: comes out, it starts ringing, and I'm like, you should
Speaker 1: go take that vacation. No, not at all, like I think. Actually,
Speaker 1: what was quite nice about it is that we had
Speaker 1: each other and we we had the ability to sort
Speaker 1: of start almost reflecting before it was even over. It
Speaker 1: was actually quite a nice like it was. It was
Speaker 1: one of the best people to be with because I
Speaker 1: was with someone who knew exactly what I was going through.
Speaker 1: And I could like decompress with him over this whilst
Speaker 1: we were there, you know, that's with him and you
Speaker 1: can do the same. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: actually it actually ended up being quite nice in a
Speaker 1: weird way. Yeah. Yeah, it's wonderful. It's better than being alone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was the same way. And it's sort of you
Speaker 1: get the call and it's almost it's almost akin to
Speaker 1: getting the call that you're cast in something like that,
Speaker 1: because it's you know your life's going to change and
Speaker 1: you're I'm exactly sure how, and it's it's difficult to fathom.
Speaker 1: That's sort of unknown. That's a fun one that I've
Speaker 1: learned to predict as well. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: this happens with you guys, but it happens with me.
Speaker 1: So I know, like you know, when you're sort of
Speaker 1: actually in contention for a role, you've done a few auditions,
Speaker 1: you've tested, you know, there's only a couple of guys
Speaker 1: or girls left in your sort of round. You're like,
Speaker 1: one of us is going to get this role. I
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, but one of us. And
Speaker 1: what I figured out is that if my manager calls
Speaker 1: me and just to my manager. I didn't get the role.
Speaker 1: I don't even need to answer the phone. I know
Speaker 1: I didn't get the role. If I get a call
Speaker 1: and they go, hey, we've got your team everyone on
Speaker 1: the call, I'm like, oh baby, I got this one.
Speaker 1: I know I got this one. This is great. I
Speaker 1: got this one. But if it cools and it just
Speaker 1: says his name, I'm like, ship, go on my way.
Speaker 1: Those are the hard ones. Yeah, it's become such a
Speaker 1: strange world too, with all these. I had a weird
Speaker 1: one recently when um Walker Independence got picked up. I
Speaker 1: was on an international flight when the news broke, the
Speaker 1: one international flight I've had in the last five years
Speaker 1: where there was just no WiFi, and so I land.
Speaker 1: You didn't know, I had no idea for hours, and
Speaker 1: I land, and nobody knew why I wasn't responding, and
Speaker 1: the phone just went. All of these texts and emails
Speaker 1: and calls came in of like the first things I
Speaker 1: saw were where are you? And what's wrong? And I'm going, what,
Speaker 1: I don't know? I was on a flight, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And then suddenly everything poured in and I kind of
Speaker 1: put the pieces together. So no one I didn't even
Speaker 1: get to hear the news. I had to put the
Speaker 1: pieces together from from So they released it into the
Speaker 1: press before you even found out that it was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I had been I had been called, but I
Speaker 1: was on a flight and I completely missed the call
Speaker 1: and missed all the calls, all the emails, the group
Speaker 1: texts everything. Okay, deadline article, it's it's it's wild, how
Speaker 1: you know. But that's the one thing in this industry.
Speaker 1: We you know, our lives change left right and centered exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can to ride that rough. Yeah for sure. Was
Speaker 1: that shot in Canada? No, we shot that in New
Speaker 1: Mexico actually, because I think the other Walker one was Calgary, Alberta.
Speaker 1: I believe right it might have been. I don't actually
Speaker 1: know where they shot the pilot. I know they shot Vancouver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know they shoot that one in Austin now. But okay,
Speaker 1: it's all over. I mean they shoot. There's there's a
Speaker 1: ton of stuff that shoots, like in Calgary and all
Speaker 1: the all the Westerns that shoot up. It's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful world country it is. It's gorgeous. Yeah, Toronto is fun.
Speaker 1: I we I just kind of another buddy book a
Speaker 1: show in Toronto, and he's like, do you have any recommendations,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all, baby, get ready, because I'm just
Speaker 1: going to offload like everything, like all of my favorites.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, you can go to this bob,
Speaker 1: but don't mention my name because I'm not allowed in
Speaker 1: this one anymore, and like different things. Tom. It's so
Speaker 1: good to hear the you do that too, because every
Speaker 1: time someone mentions Toronto, I'm was like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: stuff for you, and then I just have a thirty
Speaker 1: minute diet tribe and they're kind of going, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm introduced him to like my buddies, like my Canadian friends.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you want to have this sort of
Speaker 1: nights out, go see this person. If you want to
Speaker 1: go on hikes to this person. And now I have
Speaker 1: to go back through and remember all of the people
Speaker 1: that I've recommended him to and then text them and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, just so you know, I gave your
Speaker 1: numbers for a stranger and they might reach out, right
Speaker 1: because you guys were here for so long, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was almost four years, which is wild. I realized
Speaker 1: when we were shooting the series finale that that I
Speaker 1: had spent more time in Clary's clothes on our sound
Speaker 1: stages than I had in my own apartments or my
Speaker 1: own personal life with my friends and family. And it's
Speaker 1: wild when you're doing that many episodes of a series
Speaker 1: or any kind of a show, how much of your
Speaker 1: life is spent in that world? Mm hmm. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: becomes home and Cass becomes family because you know it
Speaker 1: just it just works out that way. Um, Caitlin, before
Speaker 1: we let you go, I have one more question, if
Speaker 1: that's okay, Yeah, tell me what your future is. What
Speaker 1: do you want to do next? What is there is
Speaker 1: there anything coming up that we should look out for?
Speaker 1: Would you play a vampire again? Would you never play
Speaker 1: a vampire again? What's going on? What's in your head? Um?
Speaker 1: I would definitely play a vampire again. I don't think
Speaker 1: I would wear the double wig. That was like, honestly
Speaker 1: one of the worst parts of it. Like I had
Speaker 1: headaches within ten minutes of this like huge ass wig
Speaker 1: on my head. Um. What do I want to do next?
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely want to play. Um. I like
Speaker 1: playing like those darker characters. Um, And I think I
Speaker 1: wanna direct. I'm definitely very much interested in that um
Speaker 1: again not acting and directing in the same thing, but
Speaker 1: I would like to try directing. I'm scared too, but
Speaker 1: I think that that's a good thing. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: you can get comfortable doing romcoms and Christmas movies. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if I'm going to live in
Speaker 1: this world, I want to I want to do something
Speaker 1: that's going to challenge me. Um make me scared of
Speaker 1: the first day and you know for sure, I mean
Speaker 1: I think back to my like first day on literally
Speaker 1: any set still now to this day, and it scares
Speaker 1: the ship out of me. Like it's still a really
Speaker 1: nerve it is. Yeah, it's exactly where it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: but also it's it's a fun challenge and it's an
Speaker 1: exciting every time you have a new opportunity. Every time
Speaker 1: you have a new chapter, it's it's a new horizon,
Speaker 1: and it's an opportunity to grow and learn. And I
Speaker 1: think that's something that everyone who jumped into Shadow Hunters,
Speaker 1: yourself included, was so it was so astronomical to see
Speaker 1: everyone dive in and grow and change and learn and
Speaker 1: and enhance our world because everyone was so willing to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fun. Man, good memories. It really was a
Speaker 1: good show. Well listen, I would be honored to be
Speaker 1: directed by you. Yeah. Absolutely, You guys, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being with us today. Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. It's really really nice to see you guys
Speaker 1: and talk and chat and catch up to Yeah No Pleasure.
Speaker 1: Return to the Shadows as hosted an executive produced by
Speaker 1: me Dominic Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our
Speaker 1: producer is Hannah Harris and Kristin Familiar, and our intern
Speaker 1: is Sam Cats. Original music by Alex Kinzy, performed by
Speaker 1: Alex Kinzy and Katherine McNamara, and the episode was mixed
Speaker 1: by Seth A landscape