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Speaker 1: I'm Barry rid Holts and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this

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Speaker 1: is Hot Pursuit. So today we have a special tree.

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Speaker 1: Barry Redholts's back again to co host with me. Matt Miller,

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Speaker 1: our usual co host, is out because his wife is

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Speaker 1: having a baby this week. So I guess that takes precedence,

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Speaker 1: and rightfully so, over recording a podcast. But we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of really fun things to talk about. First up,

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Speaker 1: Asen Martin owner Lawrence Stroll has sold a minority stake

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Speaker 1: in his Acid Martin Formula One team. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the Formula One race in Las Vegas, which was

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Speaker 1: a wonderful, glittering circus, so we can get into that

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Speaker 1: that was fun. And then I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this Michael man Ferrari movie that we've been hearing about.

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Speaker 2: And then let's see I.

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Speaker 1: Drove the Audi Sq eight Etron last week. We could

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Speaker 1: talk about that, and then what are you driving over

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Speaker 1: the holiday? So let's get right to it. Barry, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: Aston Martin sell off. Did you see the news and

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Speaker 1: how did that strike you?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not a wholesale transaction, it's a minority stake,

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Speaker 3: suggests ay, you know, F one teams have gone up

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Speaker 3: in value dramatically, partly due to drive to survive on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: It looks like someone is taking a little profits off

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Speaker 3: the top. I'm not reading more into that unless you're

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Speaker 2: No, you know, it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I did talk with Lawrence Stroll in Las Vegas, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of hear things trickling through the grapevine. Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is an indicator he's not committed. He's just trying

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Speaker 1: to siphon off some of his shares. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he really really tried to reiterate the fact that that

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Speaker 1: is not the case. He's one hundred percent committed. He

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Speaker 1: did say repeatedly that the racing team is profitable, so

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Speaker 1: this wasn't about raising cash. This was more about trying

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Speaker 1: to leverage some of the other franchise. Is that this

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Speaker 1: equity firm, it's called Arctos Partners based in Dallas, and

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Speaker 1: seems like this is more of a strategic thing. But

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Speaker 1: Lawrence really did say, you know, Formula one has been

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Speaker 1: He used the word transformational for Aston Martin's brand I

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Speaker 1: think you're an Aston Martin fan. I think I seem

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Speaker 1: to remember that Barry Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of some of the older dB fives.

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Speaker 3: The challenge with some of the newer cars is that

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Speaker 3: but they're still amongst the most beautiful cars on the road.

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Speaker 3: And that's the car lover's dilemma. Do you go for

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Speaker 3: Aston Martin has fabulous looks but not necessarily great brains.

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Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes that's a dilemma, and more things besides

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Speaker 1: the cars I seem to remember from my dating years.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I mean we all can relate, right, Why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, if you look at the

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Speaker 3: That these teams are worth a billion dollars. The sport's

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Speaker 3: been around for decades and it's been a wealthy person's

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Speaker 3: as Aston Martin group has been carried by Stroll. For

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Speaker 3: him to say, yeah, I'm gonna sell a little bit

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Speaker 3: because it's worth twenty x what it was ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any problems with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Stroll did say, look, last year, more than

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Speaker 3: That's enormous. That's a tremendous you know. The old expression

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Speaker 3: the purchasers of the Aston Martin DBX suv is going

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Speaker 3: watching the team do well on Formula one not completely unrelated,

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Speaker 1: And you'd think, out of any city in the city

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, everybody was in a really

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Speaker 1: I thought it might be a bit of a circus,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, Barry, we got to get you

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Speaker 2: I know you say you don't like it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to be in Vegas for the market.

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Speaker 2: That would be so fun.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Lamborghini, our tribal Ferrari, I did watch that

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of it?

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Speaker 3: Well, by the way, you lost me at Michael Mann's Ferrari.

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Speaker 2: You're not a Michael Man fan.

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Speaker 1: Well, the verdict on Ferrari for me was Penelope Cruz

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Speaker 1: Let's say that she's always great. She's incredible. She's incredible

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Speaker 1: both her acting and her character. She plays the wife

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Speaker 1: terms of the racing team, and I think Adam Driver

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Speaker 1: in Italy, some of the crashes just looked ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, it just.

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Speaker 1: Was so fake and kind of gratuitous.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, do you. Are you a fan of

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Speaker 3: I am not a giant fan. However, one of the

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Speaker 1: I totally totally agree. There's nothing that can really be

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Speaker 3: Oh God, I love that movie. That Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about what we're driving over the holiday.

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Speaker 1: I just drove the Audi SQ eight E Tron, that

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Speaker 1: Have you driven any of the Audi E Trons Berry.

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Speaker 3: was your impression of the big Audi.

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Speaker 2: I have to say I liked it.

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Speaker 1: And the interesting thing, it's interesting that you mentioned Porsche

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Speaker 1: So I mean we are talking very very close siblings here.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the SQ eight E Tron, I have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and which is good to me. I agree.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that just because you want an electric

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Are you driving a Mercedes over

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm driving a seven thirty seven

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Speaker 3: is it is the beautiful older model that he can't

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Speaker 3: do in the new Corvette. I never would have even

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Speaker 3: thought to ask about.

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