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Speaker 1: according to witnesses. Two days later, May twenty seventh, Kristen's

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Speaker 1: have filed several lawsuits against Flora's starting just months after

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Speaker 1: that our daughter could be in the backyard of the

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Speaker 1: residence where the mother resides in Royal Grande. And there

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Speaker 1: was a search with some ground penetrating radar on some

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Speaker 1: of the property, but not all the property, and there's interest. Afterwards,

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Speaker 1: another person from my wife could give you better details

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Speaker 1: on it. Person from the university came with another dog

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Speaker 1: and felt that the residue or the body was still

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Speaker 1: in the yard, that it hadn't been searched completely. And

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Speaker 1: so that's the big question whether or not there could

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Speaker 1: be a search warrant to go back in and look

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Speaker 1: further in the yard for a daughter's body. Let me

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Speaker 1: understand about an FBI agent suggests that Kristen's remains maybe

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Speaker 1: under a cement slab poured by the last man to

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Speaker 1: see her alive. Denise right, Well, there are a couple

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Speaker 1: of things I like to insert here, and one is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: the FBI agent went forward and he wrote up a

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Speaker 1: subpoena to go back to the house, and apparently they

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Speaker 1: took a vote in the sheriff's department and they opted

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Speaker 1: not to follow that lead. They voted not to go

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Speaker 1: back to dig in the yard. Now, subsequent to that,

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Speaker 1: Paul Flowers's mother and her boyfriend filed a civil lawsuit

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Speaker 1: against my husband and I for their emotional distress. So

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Speaker 1: I can't begin to tell you how stressful that was

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Speaker 1: and unbelievable. But in the course of that, the mother

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Speaker 1: allowed an FBI person and others to go in and

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Speaker 1: selected areas in the backyard, and they did do a

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Speaker 1: dig in the areas that the mother approved that they

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Speaker 1: could go to, and the dogs that my husband was

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Speaker 1: referencing were from doctor Vast from the University of Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and he looks for again the center of the aroma

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Speaker 1: in the land that possibly leads to a human remain

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Speaker 1: in the yard, and he picked up the scent by

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Speaker 1: going somewhere around the perimeter of the yard. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know where she is. I just

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Speaker 1: know that we as a family want to feel at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, whether if we don't find her,

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Speaker 1: that everything possible was done that could be done. And

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Speaker 1: when these things are only halfway done, there's no peace.

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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that until you do

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Speaker 1: the job one, you won't have an answer. And it

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Speaker 1: could be that Kristen was in the yard is no

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Speaker 1: longer in the yard. She may have been moved to

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Speaker 1: the parents, to the father's yard. But if you bring

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Speaker 1: in the correct team, they can analyze and they can

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Speaker 1: tell you if she was or she wasn't there. That's

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Speaker 1: not something I can do, but I believe she's not

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Speaker 1: far away. The parents are not revered in the community,

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Speaker 1: yet they hold two houses. They could easily move down

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Speaker 1: the road and be anonymous citizens, but they have chosen

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Speaker 1: to stay and protect these two homes and normal people

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Speaker 1: don't do that. And there's a billboard with Kristin's picture

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Speaker 1: on it that they have to pass every single day

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Speaker 1: to go to their houses. So what is she in

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Speaker 1: one of those yards? I would say the chances are yes,

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Speaker 1: what happened to Kristen Smart. I know that the new

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Speaker 1: DNA techniques are part of the relaunch of the investigation,

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Speaker 1: But what was seized in those vans? Joining me Cheryl

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Speaker 1: a point genetic genealogist, the Jane Hunter, Cheryl appoint what

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Speaker 1: can be learned now Nancy? With again the new techniques

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Speaker 1: in DNA testing, they don't need the amounts of DNA

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Speaker 1: that was needed in nineteen ninety six to possibly nail

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Speaker 1: down a perpetrator or actually in this case, nail down

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Speaker 1: the DNA of miss Smart. It's very possible that they

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Speaker 1: can scourge these vehicles and find my new particles of

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Speaker 1: DNA that will prove that she possibly was in one

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Speaker 1: of the vehicles. And I believe at this point that's

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Speaker 1: what they're looking for. They're taking items that were in

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Speaker 1: the vehicles, but they're also going through the carpets the

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Speaker 1: seats looking for our blood samples like Joseus Scott Morgan said,

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Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, it's very possible nowadays

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Speaker 1: that if it's there, they will find it. Prime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace one hundred and forty pieces of new

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Speaker 1: evidence Wow, three hundred and sixty four supplemental reports, serving

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Speaker 1: eighteen search warrants. The sheriff is saying thirty seven pieces

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Speaker 1: of evidence from the early days of the case are

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Speaker 1: now being submitted to modern DNA testing. Two. Ann Emerson WCIV,

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Speaker 1: ABC four, what can you tell me about a podcast

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Speaker 1: about Kristen Smart. Well, well, you know, there was a

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Speaker 1: podcast that is hosted by a man in Chris Lambert

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Speaker 1: called Your Own Backyard And from what I've gathered this

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Speaker 1: he actually grew up right around the corner from where

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Speaker 1: this happened, and I think this just kept on sticking

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Speaker 1: with him and kind of he wanted to know more

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Speaker 1: about it, and as he kind of started unraveling things,

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00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: he was learning more and more and more. It became

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Speaker 1: this podcast as of September, and honestly, the christ and

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Speaker 1: Smart's family thinks that this has really raised the raised

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Speaker 1: it awareness about this case again. And we've seen it

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Speaker 1: happen in another Prime podcasts. We saw it, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen it happened a couple of times now where the

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Speaker 1: profile of this case just goes through the roof and

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Speaker 1: it puts a lot of pressure on the sheriff's department

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Speaker 1: to come forward with some answers when you have so

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Speaker 1: many people calling him saying, what are you doing about

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Speaker 1: this young girl's disappearance? And I'm looking over what the

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Speaker 1: sheriff actually said about what they've released. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is what they did, was they don't They said they

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Speaker 1: don't generally practice on comments on items of evidence and

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Speaker 1: an active investigation, which is extraordinary in itself because we're

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Speaker 1: talking about twenty four year old case that's older than

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Speaker 1: this young girl was when she disappeared. She's been missing

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Speaker 1: longer than she's actually was a was was with her family. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's so interesting is that this has been this case

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Speaker 1: has been since twenty eleven. He kind of gives us

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Speaker 1: a laundry list of all the work that they've done,

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Speaker 1: almost you and from what we also understand from the

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Speaker 1: Lambert work with this podcast is that this is generating

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Speaker 1: more interest and possibly more tips. So this is an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the sheriff to get in front of his

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Speaker 1: case and say, you know, I came in, I was

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Speaker 1: going to do something about this. I told you I

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Speaker 1: was going to keep this investigation open, and here we go,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, you know, the Smart family has

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Speaker 1: a lot of hope that something may be coming down

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Speaker 1: the pipeline soon. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: ksby NBC six. Chris Lambert, creator of Your Own Backyard podcast,

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Speaker 1: recently sat down with the San Luisimbisbo County Sheriff's Office. Now.

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Speaker 1: He says he always intended on doing so, but wasn't

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Speaker 1: able to include them in any of the episodes in

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Speaker 1: his series. Now the meeting didn't help with his research,

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Speaker 1: he says he was able to bring new ideas and

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Speaker 1: theories to sheriffs. Chris Lambert released six episodes in Your

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Speaker 1: Own Backyard, a podcast series focused on the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: cal Pauly's student Kristen Smart, a case that's been unsolved

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Speaker 1: for twenty three years. Lambert says he wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: speak with sheriffs before his last episode was released, but

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Speaker 1: since then he has so. It was a lot of

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Speaker 1: how about this theory? Like does this check out? Do

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Speaker 1: you know anything more about this? Is this a waste

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Speaker 1: of time, Like I'm getting tips that are like you

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Speaker 1: should look in this location, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: waste a lot of time going to that location if

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Speaker 1: you're already positive that it's been debunked. Lambert says the

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Speaker 1: face to face meeting with Sheriff's helped with his research,

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Speaker 1: and he believes some of the information he's received has

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Speaker 1: helped investigators. You're hearing our friend Michael Torres talking about

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Speaker 1: that Chris Lambert Your Own Backyard podcast credited with bringing

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Speaker 1: the case back to the highlight. But it sounds like

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00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: more than that, there are tips that Lambert got that

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Speaker 1: maybe at least didn't Karen Start with me, New York

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00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: psychologists joining me. You can find her at Karen start

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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen. All these years, the family has waited

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Speaker 1: for answers, and now I hate for them to get

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Speaker 1: their hopes up if there's not a break in the case.

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Speaker 1: But there's really no alternative. What are they going through?

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Speaker 1: Karen Start, Nancy. It's unimaginable what they're going through because

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Speaker 1: they have no Look, you don't ever get closure when

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Speaker 1: someone is dead and they can't get her back again.

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Speaker 1: But they suffer not knowing what happened. Will they ever

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Speaker 1: have a chance to really bury a body, to know

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Speaker 1: where she's located, and so it's been excluciatingly difficult for them.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that they've been suffering mentally, emotionally

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Speaker 1: missing her, not knowing what happened. So if they could

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Speaker 1: come up with anything, it's the best thing that can

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: happen to this family to just got Morgan's still not

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Speaker 1: able to nail down exactly what the new evidence is now.

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Speaker 1: Some out reported to be vans, some report outlets reported

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Speaker 1: to be two trucks, But it's my understanding that the

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Speaker 1: vehicles have belonged to the chief suspect, Paul Flories. His

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Speaker 1: family had them and the state got them. I got

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Speaker 1: to wonder what took them so long to get them.

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Speaker 1: But do you believe that these are vans full of items,

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Speaker 1: say from an apartment? Are they just simply the vehicle itself.

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Speaker 1: What's your understanding, Joe Scott as to what the evidence

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Speaker 1: actually is. I don't know. I think it's the fact

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Speaker 1: that they've mentioned these two vehicles, and my one thought

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Speaker 1: is this, maybe this is a line of logic the

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Speaker 1: police are tracking down. Is that since no one has

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Speaker 1: been able to locate her remains. I'm wondering if they're

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Speaker 1: not viewing one of these two vehicles as a conveyance

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Speaker 1: for her remains to a specific location. If that is

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Speaker 1: a case, and she was injured either outside the van

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Speaker 1: or vehicle and then placed in or maybe she was

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Speaker 1: injured within the vehicle, that's going to create a whole

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Speaker 1: new spectrum of evidence in and of itself, regardless of

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Speaker 1: what else is in there as far as other objects.

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Speaker 1: If she contacted the floor, if her blood contacted the floor, anything,

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Speaker 1: skin cells, whatever it is. If they think that these

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Speaker 1: things have been locked down well enough to preserve the evidence,

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Speaker 1: they're going to go in and they're gonna take this

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Speaker 1: thing apart, these things apart piece by piece, and examine

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Speaker 1: each and every inch of this thing in order to

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Speaker 1: analyze it for potential evidence. We wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, good Bye friend,