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Speaker 1: being recorded. I want to hear all of this, this

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Speaker 1: morning been a drill and popping piece before we get started,

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Speaker 1: this point? Both podcasts? Now, you started off with this

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Speaker 1: right behind me. I'm just I'm excited for the next one,

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Speaker 1: the next one. Just just keep upping the anti Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those bolow wraps, which are the things the cops shoot

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Speaker 1: one of those, Oh my god, that it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: On the of course, there is is um for people

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Speaker 1: who don't know behind the Bastards podcast Bad People Um.

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Speaker 1: I woke up feeling like shit. As I was just saying,

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Speaker 1: Yes Man, Yes exactly exactly, the movie Yes Man, which

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Speaker 1: it's a great movie about Lessons And was that one

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Speaker 1: but I remember thinking about the plot and going, uh,

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Speaker 1: that what's up? How do you feel about the Holocaust?

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Speaker 1: All anti anti? That makes sense, That's that's really the

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Speaker 1: the worst people in history, and they're horrible crimes. Monsters

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Speaker 1: Great right and hard. Heydrick is the man who is

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Speaker 1: that movie Conspiracy? Did someone play? Oh, yeah, you've seen Conspiracy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love him. I love him. Yeah, that's Reinehard Hydrick. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: into it. Reinhart Tristan Eugen Hydric was born on March seven,

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Speaker 1: His name was picked by his father, Bruno Hydric, who

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Speaker 1: stay stay there. Bruno is a monarchist. Um. He's not

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Speaker 1: So separate things. So Reinhard thrived at school. At secondary school,

424
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Speaker 1: his grades were particularly good in math and science, and

425
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: his first ambition was to become a chemist. He also

426
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 1: did well in languages, and he fell in love with reading.

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00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: He developed a special fondness for detective and spy novels. Now,

428
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: most of these novels that he loved as a kid

429
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: had their origins in the United States, are great Britain.

430
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: He he loved Nat Pinkerton novels, which were written by

431
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: the fucking Pinkerton guy. Yeah, he also loved Sherlock Holmes

432
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: and he would be a lifelong devotee of the detective

433
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: novel genre. When Reinhard was ten years old, world War

434
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Speaker 1: One did its thing. Uh. He was a member of

435
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Germany's most awkward generation, and as a result, the generation

436
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: that produced some of the very worst Nazis so Ryan

437
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: hard like Heinrich Heimbler was too young to go to

438
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: the Runt and fight as a soldier, but old enough

439
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: that he was fully conscious of the war and fully

440
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: conscious of all this propaganda idolizing the front generation. So

441
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: it's extremely kind of like spends his adolescence hoping to

442
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: get to fight, but he never does because you know,

443
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't want to Ungo great for Germany. Yeah, they

444
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: lose that one and then they lose their their precious Kaiser.

445
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: They do lose their precious Kaiser. He goes off the

446
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: fucking the Netherlands to chop wood. Fucking weirdo. Um. Yeah,

447
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: and the this war was a like you know, as

448
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, none of the Hydricks or

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00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: their close relatives died fighting in World War One. I mean,

450
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: I'm sure they had some relatives who died, but I

451
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: haven't run across it, so it must not have been

452
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: anyone who was super close to the family. But it

453
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: was a disaster for the family. Um. The war brought

454
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: blockades from the British, which caused rationing and an economic

455
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: collapse that cut the feet out from under Bruno's music conservatory.

456
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: Now you can say the Hydricks were still lucky within

457
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: kind of the majority of the German population. Like a

458
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: million Germans starf to death as a result of the

459
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: British blockade. None of the Hydrick starve, but they don't

460
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: get to enjoy the kind of foods they had before

461
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: the war. They're definitely hungrier. Like for an example of

462
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: how bad this is, nationwide, um, bread rationing starts in

463
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen. Meat rationing starts at nineteen sixteen, and by

464
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, so the pre war average daily diet of

465
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: a German citizen had been twenty five calories, it's about

466
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: twelve hundred by nineteen sixteen. UM. So they suffer like

467
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: everyone else. And well, they're wealthy enough to avoid starving

468
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: to death. The war chips away at the family income

469
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: and erodes their fortune. Uh, their vacations become a lot

470
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: less fancy. Um. Now they're still on vacation, they're still

471
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: doing vacations. They still live in a mansion, but they're

472
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: not They don't have the stay in a flat inside

473
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: the city. But it's only a forty five minute drive.

474
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful drive, cipport, Why are you complaining? So

475
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: the worst thing that happened to them, and this must

476
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: have been a miserable time. But from what we can

477
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: tell kind of Ryan Hard does not seem to have

478
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: suffered unduly during the wars, particularly compared to most people.

479
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: And in fact, the worst thing to happen to the

480
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: Hydric family during World War One, um was not the

481
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: fact that was not any of the dying like this

482
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: happens in nineteen sixteen, which is also a year in

483
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: which the German Army throws a million lives into the

484
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: meat grinder at Fordune. Here the Hydrick family's tragedy is

485
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: that they're obsessed with this upcoming release of a new

486
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: addition of Hugo Rieman's Music Lexicon, which is the most

487
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: popular German encyclopedia of music and musicians. And they were

488
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: really excited because Bruno Hydrick was supposed to show up

489
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: in the volume. He was going to get his own

490
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: little entry in this music Lexicon, and he does. But

491
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: here's the great tragedy for the Hydris. They missed him

492
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 1: as a Jewish composer. Ah, oh yeah, that really kisses

493
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: him off. God damn dude, that is And it seems

494
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: to have been that like a former student of Bruno's

495
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: that he had a falling out with got hired by

496
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: this and like inserted the like to funk with him,

497
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: like no, like knew it wasn't true, just wanted to,

498
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: like exactly, It's like you said, it's a playground, insult

499
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: doesn't like him, works for the company and sticks it

500
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: in the incite, does brink. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's

501
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: like finding out that fucking Ashton Kutcher accidentally did the Holocaust.

502
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like I was just sucking with

503
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: him and now he can punk them. Oh man, that sucks.

504
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: So Bruno sues the Encyclopedia for libel and he wins

505
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: the case and they fixed the encyclopedia. But rumors about

506
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: the family's Jewish ancestry grow more frequent after this, and

507
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Reinhard's schoolmates begin to tease him and his younger brother.

508
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Now that quote I read earlier in a lot of

509
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: summaries of hydrox upbringing will note that his family was

510
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: extremely anti Semitic, and this is something that seems like

511
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: it would have to be undeniable given his future. But

512
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: his biographer Robert Gerwath argues that there's no evidence of

513
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: this um, which is not to say that they weren't

514
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, But that's not the question. The question is

515
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: were they anti Semitic in any way that kind of

516
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: exceeded the background level of anti Semitism in Truman Catholic

517
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 1: Protestant culture. Yeah, yeah, probably not. I'm gonna quote from

518
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: Robert Gerwath here. Throughout the war years, the Hydrick's placed

519
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: a great deal of importance on denying these rumors, threatening

520
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: those who repeated them with libel actions. Yet their own

521
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: personal relations with the Jewish citizens of Halla, who numbered

522
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: no more than four hundred and nineteen ten, were quite normal,

523
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: and there is no evidence to suggest that Bruno Hydrick's

524
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: attitude towards the Jews was hostile. On the contrary, Jews

525
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: sent their sons and daughters to Hydrick's conservatory. Bruno rented

526
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: out the seller of the school as a storage space

527
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: to a local Jewish salesman, and his eldest son, Reinhardt,

528
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: became friends with the son of the cantor of the

529
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Jewish Community, Abraham Lichtenstein. Reynard has a Jewish

530
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: friend as a kid, the family is willing to sell

531
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: and like do business with them. They're not. They're not

532
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: particularly hateful to their Jewish citizens, right, and Jewish people

533
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: to them, aren't some like weird foreign abstraction, you know,

534
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they know them. They know Jews.

535
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: They they've talked to Jews, their friends with Jews, they

536
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: work with them. Uh yeah, it's more the reason they

537
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: react so I let do these rumors is that it's again,

538
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: it's a very racist society. The rumors are bad for business,

539
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: it's bad for the family honor. Like that's the reaction.

540
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: They're not unwilling, like they don't treat Jewish people like

541
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: there's some alien culture. They just but they also they're

542
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: a part of this very racist culture and they don't

543
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: want to have the consequences of being seen as Jewish. Right, Yeah,

544
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: that they're like not that there's anything wrong with that.

545
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't think they're even saying that. Like, again, we're

546
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: not trying to whitewash it either. But it's not like

547
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: they're not like they're not like laser targeted on being racist.

548
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Like they're pretty normal and perhaps even for the standards

549
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: of the time, a little bit more enlightened than a

550
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of their fell neighbors, like you know who also

551
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: isn't more anti semitic than the background level of the culture, Sophie,

552
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: I think probably that's not a good idea. No oh boy, uh, Sophie,

553
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: can you play me out like an air Horner three? No,

554
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, hopefully it's a Volkswagen AD, because

555
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: if it's a Volkswagen AD, then it is a bit

556
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: more anti semitic than the background level. Ah, we're back

557
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: and we're thinking about what a completely unproblematic and positive

558
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: brand Volkswagen is. Volkswagen the cars that never did anything evil,

559
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: perfectly good car. Everything it's associated with, norm and fun

560
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Folkswagen starting in nineteen forty six, a cool and fun

561
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: brand folks Volkswagon, remember the bug that was nice and

562
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: had flowers on wagon. I don't think too much about

563
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: the meaning of the word volk oh. I love that

564
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: they totally just uh they KFC their name. Yeah, where

565
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: they were like w Yeah, if BMW can exist, that

566
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: fucking b W can. Folk just means people literally, just people.

567
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Nothing more can be read into the meaning of the

568
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: word vulcan never mean anything, but this perfectly normal word people.

569
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: It's a it's a lot of I think if there's

570
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: any excuse for kind of bigoted German accents, it's this episode.

571
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I feel like the German people

572
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: love when an American does. There's there's a couple of

573
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: different groups around the world that you can always make

574
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: fun of. Americans are one of them, obviously, Russians are another. Uh,

575
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: and then there's the Germans and the Italians. Oh in

576
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: the British, the Italians for sure. Oh yeah, the Italians.

577
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my My entire Sopranos podcast is just

578
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, two dudes doing real bad Italian accents. So

579
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you like that, check it out. Someone's

580
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: the legacy of imperialism. Like, the only downside you faces

581
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: an imperial country is it's it's it's fine to make

582
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: fun of your accents and hand gestures forever. Yeah yeah, yeah.

583
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: You lose one thing, big lose one thing. We're gonna

584
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna make fun of your fucking pizzas, We're gonna

585
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: make fun of your accent. Feel of it. So when

586
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: the war ended, Ryan Hard was fifteen, which was more

587
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: or less a young adult by the standards of his time,

588
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: he's like fourteen and it ends, but like fifteen when

589
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of like it starts to everything because there's like

590
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not a super clean end um. Now,

591
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: German defeat was followed by a wave of protests in

592
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: a number of left wing revolutions in Germany, and this

593
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: seems to be what really politicized Hydrich for the first time.

594
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: He joined the German Nationalist People's Party, which was an

595
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: anti democratic monarchist organization, in nineteen nineteen, and in February

596
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: of that year, a group of miners and Halla proclaimed

597
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: a general strike against the Reich government. This was met

598
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: by an anti communist counter strike. Businesses in Halla closed

599
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: to the nie striker's food, doctors, teachers, and other civil

600
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: servants refused to work. And this was again they were

601
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: striking against the strike. So this is the right wing strike,

602
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and there's a right wing strike against the left wing strike.

603
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I love that. Like a left wing strike is when

604
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: the workers get together and decide to make demands upon

605
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: uh their employers, and a right wing strike is when uh,

606
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the cabal of rich people who can roll everything decided

607
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: to starve the people. Yeah, and you can see who

608
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: has the power there, you know, yeah, it's the it's

609
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: the starving workers. The left wing mob cancel culture came

610
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: for the exactly so damn and they're trying to cancel

611
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: Germany just because a World War one. Uh So, the

612
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: strike grew despite the counter strike, three quarters of the

613
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: minds across Germany eventually closed, and in a Halla alone,

614
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: fifty thou workers gathered to demand the resignation of the

615
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Reich government. The Defense Minister ordered a free Corps unit,

616
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: which is like free Corps are. It's like the oath keepers.

617
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: They're veterans, but like scarier because like the oath keepers,

618
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: they all they claim their veterans like of them either

619
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: didn't do anything in the military at all or were

620
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: like a guy whose job was to like sign for

621
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: the bullets that real soldiers used. Fran Corps guys are

622
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: like these guys have just gotten off of the front

623
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: where their job was to beat people to death in

624
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: a trench with a wooden club. Like they're scary people.

625
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: I look that the oath keepers are, like half of

626
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: them are just stealing valor. It's like that's incredible, But

627
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: these free corp dudes are are some of the most

628
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: terrifying men who have ever lived, and that if its

629
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: Minister of Germany orders a Free Corps unit into the

630
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: city to smash the strike, the whole situation ends in

631
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: a bloody invasion, with several days of insurgent combat in

632
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: the city. Artillery was used to blast out leftists hiding

633
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: and buildings. In total, twenty nine people were killed in

634
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: sixty seven were wounded. And ship like this is not

635
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: just happened. This is happening all over Germany. There's a

636
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: bunch of different like attempts to take over cities and

637
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: larger chunks of the government, and like fights between right

638
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: and left. Um and by comparison to other cities, the

639
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: rebellion in Paula is not like one of the most

640
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: noted ones um Reinhard Hydrick was distinctly on the fringes

641
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: of this developing history. He joined a voluntary civil defense

642
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: force which was established by the Free Corps after they

643
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: killed all the leftists, in order to maintain order uh

644
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: in case the left tried something again. And he's unlikely

645
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: to have done anything meaningful. Odds are his joining was

646
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: more or less a symbolic gesture, a way of asserting

647
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: his manhood after missing out on the excitement of a

648
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: real war. Now that's nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty. There's another

649
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: quasi rebellion in Holland. This one is a push by

650
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: a far right German Nationalist Party, and this too was defeated.

651
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: It's defeat brought about another left wing attempt to take power. Right,

652
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: this is a collapsing fucking empire here, right, So you

653
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: have all these political sides who had been kind of

654
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: pushed down in terms of their ability to funk with

655
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: each other by sort of the Kaisers, you know, in charge.

656
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: The Kaiser goes, everything collapses, and they just there's a

657
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: couple of years where they're just kind of murdering each

658
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: other in the streets. And yeah, obviously like and so

659
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: it's just such a strange impulse to like try to

660
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: defend your fucking phantom limb of monarch, you know where

661
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: you're just like that's gone, dude, time to time to

662
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: move on and bounce. He's living in a mansion now, alright, bad,

663
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: he's gone yourself to death and he never missed a meal.

664
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: Why are you such a fucking good liquor. It's like

665
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: imagine licking a phantom limb. You know what I mean,

666
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: It's like that's insane, Like the fucking boot is gone

667
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: and you're still licking it. Yeah, it's it's pretty great.

668
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: So there's you know, a series of street battles um

669
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: and Hydrick remains in the civil defensive forces in nineteen

670
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: twenty UM, but there's no evidence that he fought during

671
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: any of this. He had by this time developed what

672
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: one friend called quote an extremely volcus attitude towards politics,

673
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: and this means that he thought this is like the

674
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: the proto fascist strain of ideology in Germany. Volcans thought

675
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: in this basically, to sum it up, Volcus thinkers thought

676
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: that the health of the Vulcan or the German people

677
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: generally the Aryan German people right, took precedence over any

678
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: other concerns, including petty morality. Obviously, there's a lot of

679
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: racism anti Semitism wrapped up in this um again see

680
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: see the Volkswagen for more. Um So, Hydrick later claimed

681
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: that during this time he joined several of the racist

682
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: and pro Aryan societies that sprang up in Hollam and

683
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: all across Germany during this period. This was probably a

684
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: lie that he told later to burnish his Nazi credentials.

685
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: There's no evidence that he joined any of these anti

686
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Semitic societies in nineteen twenty UM. And the fact is

687
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: that Reinhard Hydrick, while he was definitely kind of on

688
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: the right wing side of thing, does not seem to

689
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: have been primarily motivated by politics during this period. In fact,

690
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: his his larger aspirations seemed to have been a belief

691
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: in himself and a desire to be respected. What is

692
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: important about the politics of the period in terms of

693
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: Ryanard is that he came of age in an era

694
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: in which increasingly people who were very political were expressing

695
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: their willingness and displaying their willingness to do a violence

696
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: against their political enemies. That was increasingly common when he's

697
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: a young man, and that's really the biggest impulse impact

698
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: this has on him at the time. Yeah, trying to

699
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: trying to prove themselves in the eyes of their sociopathic,

700
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: psychopathic peers and just being willing traumatized peers. Right. One

701
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: of the reasons Germany is there's so much murdering it

702
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: over politics in this period is that, like, if you've

703
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: some of these guys have literally seen tens of thousands

704
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: of people die and their eyes they've stepped over the

705
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: corpses of their schoolmates, blested apart by artillery. Yeah, they

706
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: just don't have any fox to give right, like to

707
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: not murder somebody. If you've been through that, what we

708
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: mean do you You spend like twenty four hours that

709
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: were done and you're gonna be like, oh, people dying,

710
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: is that's normal? Ship? I could I could do that

711
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: all day. Yeah, it just doesn't mean the same thing.

712
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: And by the time Reinhard was eighteen, the German economy

713
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: was entering a period of hyper inflation that entirely wiped

714
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: out the savings of the middle class. In the upper

715
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: middle class by this point, the Hydrick fan only was

716
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: in this category. They had been very wealthy, they had

717
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: had a mansion. They lose their mansion at some point,

718
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: they lose their money. The conservatory doesn't quite close for

719
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: a while, but it's barely hanging on there and it's

720
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: reduced to begging for government funds to stay open. This

721
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: much must have liked rankled Ryan Hard Like he's again.

722
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: He grows up with money, he grows up proud of

723
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: his family, and the fact that his family business collapses

724
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: because again he loves music. It seems like that's the

725
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: thing he actually would have. Number One. Everyone seems to

726
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: grey he was a very good violin player. He was

727
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: a very talented musician. But the fact that his family

728
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: business collapse is the fact that there's no money in

729
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: teaching music or even really playing it in this period,

730
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: convinces him to pick a different career from his father.

731
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: In In nineteen twenty two, he joins the navy. Uh yes, yeah,

732
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: that's good idea. Yeah, ki, yeah, just try to avoid

733
00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: any state armed forces at all. Fucking yeah yeah. Now,

734
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Reinhard had spent most of his life up to this

735
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: point living under the Kaiser and willelm the second had

736
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: been absolutely obsessed with the Navy. Again, wille Helm is

737
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: like he sees himself in a lot of ways as

738
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: a British Man, and he is he's like, he's like

739
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: a grandson of Queen Victoria. Um. Kaiser Wilhelm is an

740
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: admiral in the British Navy. Um like um, and he's

741
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: he he's very obsessed with the Navy. He has this

742
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of unhinged needy as but this love of British

743
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: culture and this kind of unhinged need to to beat

744
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: the British and prior one of the things that leads

745
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: to World War One. One of the factors is that

746
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: he's obsessed with building up the German Navy to a

747
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: point that it threatens the British Navy. And this is

748
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: part of like why tensions escalate. Um. But the impact

749
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: of this for a kid like Ryan Hard growing up

750
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: as a child during this period is that there's a

751
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: ton of propaganda about how fucking cool it is to

752
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: be in the So this these giant ships. You can

753
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: hang out with all these dudes. You could listen to

754
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: music and rock and roll, which hasn't been venged yet.

755
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: You could eat all sorts of chocolates on the sea.

756
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: You could You're going to have a great time. Here's

757
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: a navy. They maybe kills you, kas I don't know if.

758
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: We will probably throw you into a vow with no

759
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: real with no real you know, objective of us as

760
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: in a land crab. But it will be fun. Yeah.

761
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: So the November Revolution in that and and so there's

762
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: being a navy man becomes complicated after the war because

763
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: at the very end of World War One, there's this

764
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: thing called the November revolution, which helps into the Kaiser's government,

765
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: and it starts with a bunch of sailors in Keel,

766
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: which is a board city, refusing the orders of their

767
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: superior officers to put the Imperial fleet out to sea

768
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: to engage in a last apocalyptic battle with the Royal Navy.

769
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: So the whole World War One pretty much Germany has

770
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: a navy that is on paper, um, might be able

771
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: to beat the Royal Navy. Um, but the Kaiser is

772
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: terrified of risking it, right because if you try to

773
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: beat that, you might lose, and then you'd lose this

774
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: beautiful navy that you're so proud of, So he only

775
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: ever lets it have. There's only one in all of

776
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: World War One, one full clash between the German and

777
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Royal in British navies, and they both kind of claim victory.

778
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: I think you could kind of argue the Germans did

779
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: a bit better than the British, but it's really not clear.

780
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: But they have this. It's very brutal for both of them.

781
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: And so after that they stay in port pretty much

782
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: the whole fucking time. Um. And at the end of

783
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: the war it becomes clear they're going to lose the

784
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: British are going to like try to take all of

785
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the boats from them as part of the surrender agreement,

786
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: and the Admiral of the German Navy and the Kaiser,

787
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: i think, also kind of just want the Navy to

788
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: sail out for one last glorious just to see if

789
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: they could beat the Royal Navy, right, and the sailors

790
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: are like, well, but the war is lost. Why why

791
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: are we going to die for this? If the war

792
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: is lost, I'm just doing an experiment. Yeah, it's called

793
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: a fucking hail Mary. So they don't do the hail Mary.

794
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: Instead the revolt, which is rad um German the enlisted

795
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: men of the German Navy for that um. But this

796
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of among assholes ruins the reputation of the navy, right,

797
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: like if you if you don't suck, this would make

798
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: the Navy seem cooler, Like yeah, fuck dying pointlessly for

799
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: the Kaiser, the dumbest man in Europe. But this fox

800
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: up their reputation to people who are like shitty nationalists.

801
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: Now the Navy's reputation is saved after the fact that

802
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: after the Treaty of Versailles, when you know the British

803
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: is supposed to be given. Basically most of this German

804
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: navy that remains German sailor sailors heroically destroy their own

805
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: navy at Scapa Flow rather than handed over to Great Britain.

806
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: So it's been a complicated period of time for the Navy.

807
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: When Reinhardt joins the Navy, it's number one, vastly reduced

808
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: from its previous size, and it's it's a complicated thing

809
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: to be in now. Reinhard likely joined the Navy because

810
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: in his childhood navy men and had a reputation for

811
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: being dashing, capable, heroic and sexy. He wanted the respect

812
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: that came with being an officer and the steady paycheck

813
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: that the military provided, because again, the whole economies fucking collect,

814
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: the whole countries in free fall at this point. And

815
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: by all accounts, Hydroc did very well in training. He

816
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: was even sent to officer training straightaway in nineteen twenty

817
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: four after becoming a senior midshipman. Now, after World War Two,

818
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: some of the guys who had been Reinhard's comrades during

819
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: this period would claim later that he quote had no

820
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: friends among the crew. And again they're trying to distance

821
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: themselves from the Holocaust guy. So this is pretty consistent

822
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: and it's it was probably accurate. And a lot of

823
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the claims made about him in this period um like

824
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: it's easy to overextended. Oh he had no friends because

825
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with him, Like from the beginning, people

826
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: could tell that he was he was just bad. That's

827
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: not the truth. This is a class thing. And his biographer,

828
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Robert gerwaf Um credits the fact that he was a

829
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: loner in the navy to his and he was particularly

830
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: a loaner when he's before he's an officer in the

831
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: period early on in his navy career, and Gerwa says,

832
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: this is because he's from an upper middle class educated

833
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: background and he's like he's too fancy for the enlisted

834
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: navy guys. He spends his time off duty playing the

835
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: violin on board, and people make fun of him for this,

836
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: like that's why he's a loner. The German Navy, particularly

837
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: like you know at the midshipment level, is this hyper

838
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: masculine world and hydric is this urbane defeat like a

839
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: violin player, Yeah, exactly, violin player. They see him as

840
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: a pansy girl, writes quote his musical inclinations repeatedly made

841
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: him the target of ridicule during his basic training and keel.

842
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: For example, a non commissioned training officer from West Prussia

843
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: frequently woke him at night and forced him to play

844
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: the to Selly serenade on his serenade on his violin.

845
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: Many years later, Hydrock recalled these humiliating incidents when making

846
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: condescend in comments regarding the racial inferiority of the West

847
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: Prussians with their Polish infested blood. I love esoteric race.

848
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: Hate of the day. It's just like, oh, you know

849
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: those Westrusians. Else it's just another kind of German. But

850
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you're like, no, they're infested with Polish blood. They got

851
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of pole and them. You don't want

852
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: any of that growth. Like there there are quarters slav Yeah, yeah,

853
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: Northern Italy. They're basically Swiss Southern Italy. Those are Libyans,

854
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: uh so. Ryan Hard's early years in the Navy included

855
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: a number of assassinations of liberal politicians by right wing extremists,

856
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: including the murder of Foreign Minister rathanaw By, one of

857
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: Heydrick's fellow naval cadets. A guy he goes to the

858
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: Navy school with Despite the fact that he was in

859
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: close proximity with a right wing terrorists who assassinated a

860
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: government minister, Reinhard exhibited no interest in this case. Like, again,

861
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: he's not political at this point. He's like, you know,

862
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a shit about this. He just wants respect,

863
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: He wants to wear a big boy he's able. Yeah,

864
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about anything else. He's also not very

865
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: interested in. Another thing that happens during this period is Germany.

866
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, they're unable to pay back their war debts.

867
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: They like strike in terms of war debt repayment, and

868
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: the French military occupies the Rule which is Germany's industrial heartland.

869
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: This is a huge deal for the right wing. This

870
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: is like a major This is like fucking Benghazi for them,

871
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: right like they they go to they are obsessed with

872
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: this fucking deal. Um and Reynard doesn't care about it either,

873
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: because again he's just not a political guy. His comrades

874
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: in the Navy actually considered him a liberal, and a

875
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: lot of them disliked him for that reason. Years later,

876
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: his wife Lena would claim that at this stage quote politically,

877
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: he was clueless. He regarded all parties, particularly the Nazi Party,

878
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: with arrogance, and considered politics itself to be vulgar. In

879
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: this connection, he acted very much the snob and regarded

880
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: his naval career as the most important thing. The rest

881
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: didn't matter. I just I love that he was a

882
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: political because it's like it just you know, it proves

883
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: to me that like whenever someone gets goes from a

884
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: political to immediately radicalized, it's like, nah, you have no ideology,

885
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: you have no political beliefs, your your radicalization is absolutely

886
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: dependent on just positive reinforcement. So like you know, it's

887
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: it's this isn't a deeply held belief that he's had

888
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: for years and years. It's totally saw which way the

889
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: wind was blowing, and it's pretending to have always been

890
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: down for his fucking right wing revolution. Yep, yep. And

891
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: it's I mean, well we'll talk about that too in

892
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: a bit, because I think there is there is some

893
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: more to it. But at this period of time, again,

894
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: his his his enlisted navy comrades consider him like a

895
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: defeat liberal. Um, he's not super popular among his fellow comrades,

896
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and his unpopularity in among them kind of brings a

897
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: resurgence of the rumors that he was Jewish. One fellow

898
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: officer could debt later recalled Hidrick was more or less

899
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: regarded as a Jew because another crew comrade from Halla

900
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: told us that his family was actually called SEUs and

901
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: that this was widely known in Halla. This is like,

902
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: that's where the rumors come from, that one of his

903
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: relatives had a last name that was also a Jewish

904
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: last name. Um So Hydric earned the teasing nicknames white

905
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Jew and White Moses. And in order to fight back

906
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: against those rumors, Hydrick starts trying to claim that he's

907
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: super anti Semitic, and he starts claiming that he'd been

908
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: a member of a bunch of anti Semitic organizations before

909
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: joining the Navy. Um again probably untrue. He starts lying

910
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: about this to counteract the rumors. But also this is

911
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of the period in which his his commitment number one.

912
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: This is the period in which political anti semitism is

913
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: going viral in Germany, and Hydric is kind of along

914
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: for the ride, and he's in part inspired by the

915
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: fact that it behooves him politically to be as anti

916
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: Semitic as possible. Now despite all the difficulties he had

917
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: with his crewmates. Reinhard was a solid naval officer. His

918
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: career moved steadily upward. The summer of nineteen twenty three,

919
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: he was transferred to a cruiser where he met Wilhelm Canaries,

920
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: the future head of Nazi Germany's military intelligence agency. Canaris

921
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: was impressed by the young officer and became his mentor.

922
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: By nineteen twenty four, Hydroc had found his groove. He

923
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: excelled as a navy man, and he even begun to

924
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: find respect within a certain set of the officer cast.

925
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Many of these men appreciated his artistic talents and noted

926
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: that he seemed completely transformed when he would start playing

927
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: the violin or discussing music. People will say that his

928
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: his violin playing brings folks to tears, like he's supposed

929
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: to be very good. Um. In nineteen twenty six, he

930
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: was promoted to second naval lieutenant. His roommate reported that

931
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: after this he quote developed significantly. His superiors frequently gave

932
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: him recognition and good evaluations. He was obliging and showed

933
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: that people could rely on him. With every sign of recognition,

934
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: his zeal increased, and so did his arrogance. Ambition was

935
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: undoubtedly hydric strongest characteristic. He wanted to accomplish something, and

936
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: others were supposed to be amazed. Now Hydro began to

937
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: dream of one day. Because an admiral in night, he

938
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: was promoted to first lieutenant. This brought him more free time,

939
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: which he devoted to athletics, music and women. He had

940
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: been noted by his colleagues as having a wandering eye.

941
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: In nineteen six, when aboard the Schleswig the Schleswig Holstein,

942
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: which is a boat with a terrible name. Horrible name,

943
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: horrible name, uh, on a journey through Spain and Portugal,

944
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: he gained a reputation for sleeping around with absolutely anything

945
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: in a skirt. Uh. Women, I'm looking for I'm looking

946
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: for a Holstein to I would like a Holstein Fortig

947
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: signs of boats. I'm sorry, So not just ladies he

948
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: meets in bars, but ladies he meets in brothels. And

949
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: there's even one point where there's like a joint naval

950
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: social gathering with like the German and British navies, and

951
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: he starts really awkwardly, probably drunkenly, heating on a British

952
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: officer's wife, and she like turns him down very publicly

953
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: in a way that's super embarrassing. So Hidrock had no

954
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: issue engaging in sual liaisons with sex workers, but his

955
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: real goal was to find a high class woman with

956
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: social status that he could show off at fancy parties,

957
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: because again, he's an image guy. On December six, nineteen thirty,

958
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: he met Linna van Austin at a ball. Now, when

959
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: you run into Germans with a Vaughan between their first

960
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: and last names, it means they're either a grifter pretending

961
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: to be a noble, or they have some sort of

962
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: noble heritage. And his father was descended from Danish nobility,

963
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: but the von Austin fortunes had fallen since the eighteen sixties,

964
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: so they're they're the aristocraty the aristocracy, but they're also broke.

965
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: They're broker than the Hydrick family. By the nineteen twenties,

966
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Lena is still upper class though, because again, class isn't

967
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: something that has just to do with money. It's about

968
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: your breading. So she's high bred but broke um and

969
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: she and Hydrick fall for each other. Three days after

970
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: their first date, Reinhard Hydrick invites Lena to the theater

971
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: and then to a wine bar where he proposes to her.

972
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: So he eventually success accepts and to try and understand

973
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: why she accepts, I'm going to cite a passage from

974
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: the book Nazi Why Lives quote. Lena found him intriguing.

975
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: I felt sympathy for this purposeful yet reserved young man,

976
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: and agreed to a rendezvous the next day. In her memoirs,

977
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: she breathlessly described how Heidrick opened his heart to her

978
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: over a series of long walks, a visit to the theater,

979
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: and a meal in a restaurant, and then asked her

980
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: to marry him during their third evening together. Lena liked

981
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: to suggest that their love was written in the stars

982
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: and could not be denied. Others have speculated that his

983
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: sudden proposal was a necessary prelude to getting her in bed. Um.

984
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 1: Oh that's game, dude, Just like going yea dude, rock dude.

985
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: You just you whine him and dine them for three

986
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: dates and then you go, hey, would you married you?

987
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Did you fuck me? If we get engaged? Now you will?

988
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: Oh man. That's also at a time when I think,

989
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: like three dates, if you didn't ask someone to marry

990
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: you by then, yeah, you were just being a harlot

991
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: if you had not married, Yeah, you're dating is it's

992
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: it was a it was a different time, a different time.

993
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: You know, it was a different time. Um, but fuck

994
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: you on the third date without game, No, Sophie. That's

995
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: the way it is. That's true. Can I at least

996
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for dick pillads, whether or not they're dick

997
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: pill ads. The one promise we make on this show,

998
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: the only promise we make about our sponsors, is that

999
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: they all fuck absolutely fuck like these products. Fuck fuck.

1000
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Here's another Volkswagen ad. I mean, if you ain't got

1001
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: laid in the back of a beatle, Like, what are

1002
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: you doing? What did you do? In twenties? The two

1003
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: thousand one swagon by v W by v W mixing

1004
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: We're back good times. So they keep their engagement secret

1005
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: at first, Um, because Reinhardt has to get the family's approval, right,

1006
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: you don't like legally, you don't have to, I don't

1007
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: think in this period. But it's like and it's polite.

1008
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: And also he's he's comes from a high class family.

1009
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: Their riches, health, they're not nobles, but they're very wealthy.

1010
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: They run in high class circles, she's a noble You

1011
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: want to do things properly. Um. So they get engaged

1012
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: in secret, but he promises her that he's going to

1013
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: get her family's approval before Christmas. He just kind of

1014
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: wants to get all his ducks in a row make

1015
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: himself look as impressive as possible. Um. He writes her

1016
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: a letter shortly after their engagement that ends with this

1017
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: paragraph quote. Being straightforward and upright is the key demand

1018
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: I have always placed upon myself. It will thus not

1019
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: be difficult for me to look your father in the eye.

1020
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: You know. For me, there is nothing worse in people

1021
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: whom I love than beating around the bush and insincerity.

1022
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't hesitate to confront mean guys with the same weapons. Now,

1023
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: of course he was lying, Yeah, I wonder like that's

1024
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: how it's translated. He was lying to He was not

1025
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: like about wanting to be married, because they did get married.

1026
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: He was lying to her about being a sincere and

1027
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: straightforward man. The truth is that Ryan hard Heydrich was

1028
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: a habitual liar when it came to sex and pretty

1029
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: much everything else. He was already involved with another woman.

1030
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: In fact, he had gotten involved with another woman six

1031
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: months before he met Lena. We do not know the

1032
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: precise details of the story, but one of a couple

1033
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: of different things has to be true. Either he forced

1034
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: himself slash, you know, raped a woman and then promised

1035
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: to marry her afterwards to keep her quiet. And you know,

1036
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm putting the words rape in there, but at the

1037
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: time you you might not, like, she might not have

1038
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: described it that way, right, because people talked differently about

1039
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: at that point where we fucked, and like, consents not

1040
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: a thing in my culture. But you have to marry

1041
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: me now, right. That's one possibility. Um. The other possibility

1042
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: is that he started sleeping with a woman, uh, and

1043
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: he had to claim that they to get he had

1044
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: to promise to get engaged to her so that they

1045
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: could keep sucking. Right, they fucked once and she's like, well, okay,

1046
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: we gotta get it. You got you can't make me

1047
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: a dishonest woman, like we have to get married now

1048
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: because be fucked. One of those two things is true.

1049
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: Robert Gerwath and I tended he knows more about Reynard

1050
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Hidric than I do. His take on this is you'll

1051
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: hear a couple of different ones. His take is that

1052
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Hydrick met this woman six months earlier to another bar

1053
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: and that this young woman just kind of assumed that

1054
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: she and Hydrick were engaged because they were fucking. So

1055
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't even promise to get engaged, but because

1056
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: of where things culturally are at the time, Oh we fucked,

1057
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: we're engaged now, that's what. I don't know what the

1058
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: case is, whatever the truth, rein Hard did follow through

1059
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: on his promise to tell Lena's family. Uh, they approved

1060
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: because he was a young rising naval star with a

1061
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: semi famous father. Um, so they start printing engagements and

1062
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: announcements for the local paper to celebrate. And the woman

1063
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: that he's having sex with on the side sees one

1064
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: of these engagement announcements. She is not happy about this.

1065
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Hitler's Hangman again. Ryan Hard, who

1066
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: continued to cultivate the relationship even after he had met Lena,

1067
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: invited her the second woman, to Kiel, where he's stationed,

1068
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: despite her request for a separate room in a hotel,

1069
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: and herurage should have spend the night in his living quarters.

1070
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: Further reproach MO probably occurred on this occasion. In any case,

1071
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: the young woman saw herself as compromised and reacted to

1072
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: the receipt of Hydrick's engagement notice with a nervous breakdown.

1073
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: Now we don't know who this lady was, but we

1074
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: do know that her father was some kind of prominent

1075
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: person in Germany because he was directly connected to the

1076
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: commander in chief of the entire German Navy. Is a

1077
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: bad family to piss off if you're wanting a Navy career.

1078
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: So in yeah, in the navy. So Hydrick gets court

1079
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: martialed over this um, and it's because it's dishonorable behavior, right,

1080
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: Honor is a big thing. This is like scummy behavior.

1081
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: You can get in trouble for this. And most sources,

1082
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: including Girwath, seemed to agree that normally he would have

1083
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: just gotten kind of a little more than a slap

1084
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: on the wrist, but it wouldn't have ended or even

1085
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: derailed his career, right because again it's what it's fucking like.

1086
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: All of these rich dudes are sleeping around, right, yeah,

1087
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: they're all doing it. Probably he would have just got

1088
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: if he if he had as soon as they brought

1089
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: him and been like, yes, you know, I'm just a man.

1090
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: I fucked up. Uh, this is my bad. I'm so

1091
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: sorry among whomot who among us and all the other

1092
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: dudes have been like, yeah, you know what, we're all

1093
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: rich navy officers of us are cheating on our wives

1094
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: and we're cheating on our mistresses. Okay, Like he would

1095
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: have gotten a punishment in order to mollify the father

1096
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: of this woman, and it would have gone away. But

1097
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: that's not how it goes because Hydrick cannot take responsibility

1098
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: for his own actions, so instead he tries to blame

1099
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: everything on the woman for seducing him. Yeah, and again

1100
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the most patriarchal misogynist cultures

1101
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: in history, Germany and the German Navy in the early

1102
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. His behavior is so gross that it horrifies

1103
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: all of these admirals, right like you and and that's

1104
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: difficult in this period going to be two misogynists for

1105
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: like the admirals of the German Navy. Yeah, and they

1106
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: saw they saw like thousands of people dying like on

1107
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: the on the Rhine, and they're just like you disgusted me,

1108
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: but not wow. So his general sliminess is so upsetting

1109
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: to them that they decide he is not fit to

1110
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: wear a German uniform and he is discharged from the Navy. Um,

1111
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: you have to you have to really think in your

1112
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: head how gross you have to be for all these guys. Again,

1113
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: I can't over emphasize all these guys in the twenties

1114
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: going like this dude's kind of anti woman. Yeah, I

1115
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: mean I beat my wife and my girlfriend every day,

1116
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: but this guy seems to be done. Yeah, I hit

1117
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: them because I love them. He's just a meani What

1118
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: the mean? Man? So this fox up all of Ryan

1119
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: hard Hydrick's plans. Oddly enough, his Lena, his fiance, stays

1120
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: with him. This might sound odd if you don't understand

1121
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: the fact that and this is a rarity for the show.

1122
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: Lena van Austin Reinhard Hydrick's wife sucks as much as

1123
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: he does. Like she's a terrible person. And I don't

1124
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: say that lightly. Normally I try to have because it's

1125
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: a hard time. Women don't have a lot of are

1126
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: great and a lot of agency by the society in

1127
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: this period. She's really bad. She's a really bad person

1128
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: in the and not just because she stays with like,

1129
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: not because she stays with her husband during or right

1130
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: hard during this but for a lot of other reasons.

1131
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: She sounds independently bad. She's independently shitty. Yeah. In the

1132
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: book Nazi Wives, James Wiley writes, quote, Beyond the powerful

1133
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: physical attraction between them, Lena and Hydrick shared some key characteristics.

1134
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: Both were fixed on escaping their backgrounds and forging a

1135
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: different destiny for themselves. They were stubborn and extremely ambitious.

1136
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: Each had a cold calculating streak. Neither suffered fools gladly.

1137
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: Both had an inflated sense of their own worth and

1138
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: felt that the majority of people were inferior beings. So

1139
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: real power couple of being trashed, just sitting around in

1140
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: the living room going, I fucking hate the Italians. You

1141
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: should know you know who. I don't like the Prussians.

1142
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: Just the whole vest of Prussia is just gross Polish. Yeah,

1143
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: sounds get married is just love. They're both like looking

1144
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: like they're like at a museum touching a phrenological like

1145
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: like one of those heads with bumps tell you like

1146
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: and like the hands meat in the middle of the

1147
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: semoy seminar or whatever. People both about to measure the

1148
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: same skull and not hands met. So you've surely heard

1149
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: the phrase behind every man as a great woman. And

1150
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: unfortunately this is also true of history's greatest monsters. And

1151
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: Lena not been the sort of woman she was, we

1152
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: might not have had a Reinhard Hydrick, because he might

1153
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: have killed himself after getting discharged from the navy. And

1154
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote again from from Wiley's book, Uh

1155
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: Fucking Nazi Wives. On thirty April nineteen thirty one, he

1156
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: was dismissed from the navy. Lena said that he was

1157
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: so shattered by the verdict that he had a total breakdown,

1158
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: locking himself in his room for days on end, smashing

1159
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: furniture and weeping uncontrollably, and she had to piece him

1160
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: back together again. Where they're true or not, And it's

1161
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: hard to imagine the man Hitler called iron Heart behaving

1162
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: like a hysterical child. The most startling thing about the

1163
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: whole incident is Lena's unswerving loyalty. Under the circumstances, nobody

1164
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: would have blamed her if she'd called off the engagement.

1165
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: She was only nineteen, so this was hardly her last

1166
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: chance at happiness. Clearly, Lena was convinced that with her guidance,

1167
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: Hydroco could still rise to the top. I can fix him.

1168
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: I can fix him. I can. I can make him

1169
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: powerful and that will make me famous. I can make

1170
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: him so much worse. Yeah. Now, the Vaughan Austin family

1171
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: rescinded their approval for the marriage after Hydric got fired.

1172
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: This was not like necessarily a moral thing, was a

1173
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: pragmatic thing. The family is broke and they needed to

1174
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: know that Hydric was going to have money before they

1175
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: would accept this. Lena seems to have considered it her

1176
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: duty to make sure her husband to be got the

1177
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: chance to be as great as she knew he could be.

1178
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: She was convinced his chance would come through the National

1179
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Socialist German Workers Party. While Hydrick was fairly a political

1180
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty when they met, Lena was already a

1181
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: dedicated Nazi. She had first attended a party rally the

1182
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: year before, where she'd swooned over the sexy, black uniformed

1183
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: men of Hitler's new bodyguard unit, the s s or

1184
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: should have Stoffle now. When she met Hydrick, her only

1185
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: disappointment with him came from the fact that he had

1186
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: never even heard of Hitler's mind comp In fact, he

1187
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: mocked Nazi leaders regularly. Calling Hitler a Bohemian corporal and

1188
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: Gebel's a cripple. Again, he's racist against the Nazi leadership.

1189
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: Hitler's an Austrian. That piece of ship and basically swabs

1190
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: and this guy's got funny legs like a cripple. Like

1191
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: first off, so was the Kaiser, Yeah right, yeah, your

1192
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: beloved enough. They kept that pretty under wrapped so that

1193
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: Lena's brother was a committed Nazi, a member of nineteen

1194
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: twenty nine since nineteen nine of the Essay or the Stormtroopers.

1195
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: He was one of the first hundred thousand Nazis. Her

1196
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: whole family is embarrassed and impoverished. Aristocrats appreciated the Nazi

1197
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: message of German rebirth. Lena particularly appreciated their racism. Decades

1198
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: after the war. In the nineteen seventies, she admitted to

1199
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: interviewers that as a teenager, she'd come to view Polish

1200
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: refugees who entered Germany and nineteen eighteen has quote intruders

1201
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: and unwelcome guests. Their presence provoked her so much that

1202
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: she had to hate them. Yeah, it made her hate

1203
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: them by not looking like her. Yeah, She compared seeing

1204
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: refugees who had fled to Germany to avoid massacre as

1205
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: a forced marriage. They're raping me with their presence, basically

1206
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: is what she says. Like, that's again, she's trash. She's

1207
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: really bad, and I'm sorry. She is trashed and she

1208
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: is canceled. She is driving factor in Hydros developing anti

1209
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: simmit isn't because it really hits warp speed. Once he

1210
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: meets Lena, I think she kind of drives his racism

1211
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of way she drives him towards the

1212
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: Nazi Party, and so Lena advised her Bow to join

1213
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis and offer his services to the s A. Again,

1214
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the Essay are the brown Shirts. These are the street

1215
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: fighting Nazis, and at this point they have about a

1216
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand members. They're kind of creating a

1217
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: parallel military to the German military the Reiks Fair and

1218
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: as a result, they're actively recruiting former military officers whose

1219
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: experience could help the Essays leader a fellow named Ernst

1220
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: Rome turned the organization into a real military. Now it's

1221
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: important to note that the Nazis are not Hydris only

1222
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: path to avoid destitution. This is not his only choice.

1223
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: After the Navy, he gets offered a cushy, well paying

1224
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: job teaching sailing that would have paid him more all

1225
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: honestly than he had made in the Navy, but he

1226
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had respect. Sailing. Teachers don't get uniforms, they

1227
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: don't get ranks, right, Nazis those who can't do teach,

1228
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: you know. And he's just like, I'm not gonna I'm

1229
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: not gonna go down that road. Uh. No one gets

1230
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: less respect than a teacher. I love that. That's just

1231
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: universal concept. Yeah. Yeah, And nothing's worse than being a teacher.

1232
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to join the Nazi party, yeah, exactly. Now. Meanwhile,

1233
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: the Nazis, cognizant of Reinhard's experience as an officer, offered

1234
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: him an elevated position within their organization, one on the

1235
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: staff of a little dude you might have heard of

1236
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: named Heinrich Hmmler. Now, at the time, Himler had newly

1237
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: been put in charge of the S S and the

1238
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: s S again. S S stands basically for bodyguard. It's

1239
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: like protection squad, I think is the literal translation. These are.

1240
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: They start just as a small group of the most

1241
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: loyal and also most like an aryan looking Nazis to

1242
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: guard Hitler's body, right, they've become a state within a state,

1243
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: there's eventually like a millionaire. So of these guys um

1244
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: at the time, there's very few s S men. They're

1245
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: subordinate to the Essay, so they're not independent. But Himler's

1246
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: in charge of them, and he has a dream to

1247
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: supplant the Essay, to make them the biggest thing in

1248
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: being a Nazi. Now. His first step to doing the

1249
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: was to increase the party's capacity to carry out counter

1250
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: espionage because both anti fascists and the German police are

1251
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: infiltrating the Nazis and the Essay at this point. Um,

1252
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: So Himmler his first vision is like, Okay, what are

1253
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: we bad at? We're bad at rooting out spies. So

1254
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I'm gonna have the s

1255
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: S do. I'm gonna build a capacity for counter espionage

1256
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: into it. And he needs a guy to lead this

1257
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: because he doesn't know anything about counter espionage. And the

1258
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: friend of Reinhardt Hydrick's family, who in of Lena's family,

1259
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: who basically comes to the Nazi and say, hey, I

1260
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: know this officer who wants to join if you'll offer

1261
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: him a cooshy job, he claims that Hydric is an

1262
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: ex naval intelligence officer. This is not true. It's it's

1263
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: came out as a result of kind of like a miscommunication.

1264
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: He was in like signals intelligence, but he doesn't know

1265
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: anything about espionage. But Hydrick gets the interview anyway. He

1266
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 1: immediately impressed Himler, who saw in his his new SS

1267
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: Like Himler wants the s s to be the racial

1268
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: elite of the Nazi party, and so from the beginning

1269
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: there were strict requirements for genealogy. They would reject mainly

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: on appearance if you have like an inferior body. Which

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: it's funny because if you look at Hinrich Hembler, he

1272
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: looks like an extra from Trek E's Yeah. Meanwhile, right

1273
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: Heart Hydrick, though, Like it makes sense that Himler falls

1274
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: in love with this dude. Hydrick is tall, he's over

1275
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: six feet, he's athletic, he's in very good shape. He's

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: blonde haired and blue eyed. Right um he gets played

1277
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: by Kenneth Braunay by played ably by Kenneth Brandon. Yeah

1278
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, so it's clear that I love that

1279
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: the whole Nazi leadership are just the most fugle fucking

1280
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: gules you've ever seen, and all of their propaganda is

1281
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: just like, we are the most beautiful people on earth.

1282
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: We have blonde hair, and we never bulge, we never

1283
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: get fat, and you just look at like Martin Borman

1284
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: and you're just like what the fuck? Yeah, fucking Jankie

1285
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: asked Martin Borman hit here with his with his screwed

1286
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: up and testines, shifting himself constantly like most Garing horribly

1287
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: addicted to heroin, because the most sickly flawed, disgusting people

1288
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: just being like, you know what a hot Yeah, I

1289
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: mean it's not like, look, hey, we're all we all

1290
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: have ibs and drug ads problems. We just don't pretend

1291
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: not to a fake racial hierarchy that murders of other

1292
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: people who basically, yeah, I know I know what my

1293
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: my features look like, you know, and I say, rather

1294
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: than being like, no I have a small nose, I'm like, no,

1295
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: big noses are sexy. This is this is what I

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: look like. So anyway, Himmler loves Hydrick because he's he's

1297
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: a fucking sexy ass, blonde hair, blued eye dude. Um

1298
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, so uh Himler's thrilled with his appearance, of course,

1299
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: but that didn't necessarily mean he was going to get

1300
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: the job because Himler's hiring for a specific technical task.

1301
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 1: He wants someone to build a counter espionage agency. Um

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: Hydrick has new experience in this, and to explain how

1303
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: he gets the job any way, I'm gonna quote again

1304
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: from Hitler's Hangman. Undeterred by the realization that the applicant

1305
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: in front of him lacked any previous qualification for espionage work,

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01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: Himmler asked Hydrick to sketch out an organizational plan for

1307
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: an SS intelligence agency and gave him twenty minutes to

1308
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: complete the task. Without any previous experience in the field

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: of espionage, Hydric resorted to the minimal knowledge he gained

1310
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: from years of reading cheap crime fiction and spy novels,

1311
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: and wrapped his suggestions for a future s S intelligence

1312
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: service and suitably military phraseology. His minimal knowledge of espionage

1313
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: appears to have surpassed that of Himmler. The Reich leader.

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: SS was impressed and hired him in preference to a

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01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: second applicant, a former police captain. Oh my god, it's okay,

1316
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: let's a pros and cons. Pro he's a police captain.

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: Con He's not as hot and he hasn't read every

1318
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes. So we're going with Mr Hydrick Shaw saying

1319
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: if he need to be doing more heroin as you're

1320
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: saying more heroin, and you're saying we need like an

1321
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: little fat man who will also help us out in

1322
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: BOT I love it. Oh. The horrible historic already here

1323
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: is that in in picking Hydric over this police captain,

1324
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 1: he actually made an excellent decision for a dumb reason.

1325
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: But this police captain turned out to also be an

1326
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: undercover cop trying to infiltrate the s Sally makes the

1327
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: best of the two decisions just for the dumbest possible reason. Damn.

1328
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: And it's funny. We talked about this in one of

1329
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: our very first Behind the Bastards episodes. Like the influence

1330
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: that like shitty fiction has on the Nazis there is

1331
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: hugely influenced by like a con man and cowboy novelist

1332
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: who wrote writes like these, these like fantasy cowboy novels

1333
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: about like you know, Native Americans and boys and shit. Yeah,

1334
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: And it's funny because like Hydric gets hired to basically

1335
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: run the s S Secret Police because of his knowledge

1336
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: of these these fantasy detective novels during World War Two,

1337
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: during the the Russian War, when like things are going

1338
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: badly for the Nazis, Hitler sends hundreds of copies of

1339
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: these hitty cowboy novels too his generals on the Eastern

1340
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: Front because he's certain that they're filled with like strategic insights,

1341
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: Like I can't overestimate the degree to which these guys

1342
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: are just a bunch of fucking nerds, the nerdiest fucking fools. God,

1343
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: just like fucking really, Like, Okay, I have read every

1344
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: Tom Clancy, and I think I can run counter terrorism.

1345
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm certain that, like when our fascist takes over and

1346
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: invades I don't know, fucking China and the war goes badly,

1347
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: they're going to start like mailing copies of R. A.

1348
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: Salvator novels to their generals. Uh fucking hell, so God

1349
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: damn it. Um yeah, anyway, Um Hydrick gets hired by

1350
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: Himmler and his starting salaries and a lot of money,

1351
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: but when combined with the money he was still receiving

1352
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: from the Navy after getting fired, Um Hydrick was now

1353
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: making a modest income enough to support he and his

1354
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: wife to be. Now Hydric seems to have had something

1355
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: of an instinct for party politics. He's good at this job.

1356
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: He's good at the politicking part of this job. We

1357
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: can debate how good he is at counter espionage, but

1358
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: he's good at making a place for himself in an

1359
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: organization and consistently expanding that place. He recognizes Himler early

1360
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: on as a guy he should tie himself to, and

1361
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: he sets about mimicking every opinion and deeply held believe

1362
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: his boss expresses. He also dives into proving himself as

1363
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: a Nazi. Now. The best way to do this in

1364
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: the early nineteen thirties is to get into a bunch

1365
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: of street fights with communists and social Democrats. During the

1366
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: run up to the nineteen thirty one Hamburg elections, the

1367
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: Nazis sent small motorized s S units around to assault

1368
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: left wing party gatherings, and they were in cars they

1369
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: could disappear before the cops would arrive. Hydric leads one

1370
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: of these squads. He's good at this job, and his

1371
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: shock troop actually gets a reputation of being particularly brutal.

1372
01:15:55,080 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: Hamburg communists start calling him the Blonde Beast, so he's

1373
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: he's This is how he really proves himself to the

1374
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: other Nazis, you've gotta crack some fucking skulls in this period. Now,

1375
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: Reinhard also knows that one of the best ways to

1376
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: make yourself valuable in a new organization is to find

1377
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: something that's not doing but it needs to do, and

1378
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: then create that thing. For the s S. This is

1379
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: the I'm not even gonna try the Security Service hereafter,

1380
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: referred to as the s D. This is the s

1381
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: S intelligence branch that Himler had been wanting to make

1382
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: for a while. Hydric jumps on the task and it

1383
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: starts off at the beginning. Hydrick is the only man

1384
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: in the SD. The organization is just him and eventually

1385
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: this will this will be tens of thousands of guys.

1386
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: So like, that's kind of the how he grows this,

1387
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: like himself alone in a room to the head of

1388
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: security basically for all of Nazi Germany. Um. Now, again,

1389
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,440
Speaker 1: he's it's a pretty humble position at the time in reality,

1390
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's the head of something makes

1391
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: him sound impressive enough that he's able to write to

1392
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: lean his parents and ask for their blessing to go

1393
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,879
Speaker 1: forward with the wedding, and eventually they say yes. Hydrick

1394
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: also impressed his new Nazi colleagues. His first big task

1395
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: was to convince his superiors to give him the funding

1396
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: to put together a group of s S men who

1397
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: could unmask spies within the organization. This strike force would

1398
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: be able to act quickly to get rid of threats.

1399
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: He had an effect, created the first Nazi secret Police,

1400
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: a fact that was discovered by a local newspaper which

1401
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: described it as a fascist checa, which is like, that's

1402
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: the Soviet secret police. Um. Yeah. Now the article named

1403
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: Hydric as the brains of the operation. So he's he

1404
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: starts to be known for what he's doing. Yeah, Yeah,

1405
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: he's getting ink spelled about it. He's getting which means

1406
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: maybe he's not actually all that great at the secret part,

1407
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: but being in a party. At the end of nineteen one,

1408
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: he had more than fifty officers in his SD. The

1409
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: von Austin family finally gives him their approval and in

1410
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: December of that year he and Lena are wed. Now

1411
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: at the time they got hitched, the s s of

1412
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: the essay were briefly illegal as the result of a

1413
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: temporary crackdown by one of the Weimar governments. Like last

1414
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: independent ish kind of leaders before Hitler's rise. Despite this,

1415
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: the High Drick's wedding was conducted in uniform. Here's how

1416
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: Lena described her husband's wedding in a letter to a

1417
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: family member. The essay and s s dressed in white

1418
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: shirts and black trousers, formed a guard of honor all

1419
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: the way to the cemetery gate. The pastor was also

1420
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: on our side and gave us a luther quotation as

1421
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: a wedding motto. And though this world, with devil's filled

1422
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: should threatened to undo us, we will not fear, for

1423
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: God hath willed his truth to triumph through us. As

1424
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: we marched out of the church, the organist played the

1425
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: Horst Vessel song as we left the cemetery. Following the wedding,

1426
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: several guards of honor were arrested by the police. So

1427
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: that's the Hydrick wedding. Very Nazi wedding, Very Nazi. I mean,

1428
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: you've got everything. You've got people dressed up all all

1429
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: goth and ship, You've got a fucking uh it's they

1430
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: got married at a church with a cemetery in it.

1431
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean these guys were really going for it, like

1432
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: fucking style wise. Ye as a reward for his hard

1433
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: work and for getting married him, they were promoted Reinhard

1434
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: Hydrick to S. S. Storm Bunfeuder or Major, was just

1435
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: seven days after his last promotion. The happy couple moved

1436
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,919
Speaker 1: in together, but they did not spend much time enjoying themselves.

1437
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: Hydrick was a workaholic, constantly at his desk were out

1438
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: in the street fighting for the party. His work ethic

1439
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: only somewhat compensated for the fact that he had no

1440
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: experience doing the kind of job that he'd gotten for himself.

1441
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: Robert Gerwath writes the need for reforms to Hydric. Still

1442
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: highly amateurist spy network in Germany became a parent in

1443
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: February nineteen thirty two when the SD suddenly found itself

1444
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: in a crisis, prompted by the arrest of one of

1445
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 1: Hydrick's agents, who had tried to gather secret military information

1446
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: from Navy command in wilhelms Chavin. And although the police

1447
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: investigation did not reveal Hydrick's involvement in the case, he

1448
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: nevertheless recognized the need to restructure his intelligence service in

1449
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: order to avoid further embarrassment, and he he restructures it

1450
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: in a way that seems to be fairly effective. By

1451
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: June of nineteen thirty two, Hydrick's s D was the

1452
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: best intelligence gathering operation in the Nazi Party. It's competition,

1453
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: which had been the Essay Intelligence Division, is actually shut

1454
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: down because his SS and his SD makes it unnecessar

1455
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: Arry Hydrick gets promoted yet again, this time to colonel

1456
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: and now he has eight full time employees. Um. You know,

1457
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: things kind of go up and down for the Nazis

1458
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: in this period. There's some dark times in late nineteen

1459
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: thirty two when they get kind of beamed in an election,

1460
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: But by this point Hitler was adjacent to power, and

1461
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, they he orchestrates his way into power by

1462
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, and he and his comrades succeed in

1463
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: seize and control of the Weimar government through a trail

1464
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: of factory that we detail in our non Nazi Bastards

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Speaker 1: Behind Hitler episode Reinhard. Hydrick was not a major player

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Speaker 1: in the Nazi seizure of power. By the time Hitler

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Speaker 1: wound up in control, he had established himself as the

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Speaker 1: chief of the Nazi Secret Police. Now that had been

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Speaker 1: an inter party secret police, but now the party was

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Speaker 1: the government and Reinhard Hydrick was about to find himself

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Speaker 1: in near total control of the German police. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that and what came after in part two,

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Speaker 1: but you know we're going to talk about right now

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Speaker 1: what you're plugables, plugs, plugs, plugs. Oh man, I got

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Speaker 1: so much to Polly. Well, if you love uh talking

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Speaker 1: about uh real bad Nazis, Uh, you're also gonna love

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Speaker 1: this HBO series of Sopranos. And if you you love

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Speaker 1: the Sopranos, check out Pot Yourself a Gun. That's a

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Speaker 1: podcast that me and Vince Mancini do. Uh, it's like

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Speaker 1: a Sopranos rewatch podcast. We also do a movie podcast

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Speaker 1: called The Fraud Cast f R O T C A

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Speaker 1: s T. Check that out. That's about not the Sopranos,

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Speaker 1: about movies and stuff. Yeah and yeah, follow me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Matt Leave Jokes at Matt Leave Jokes. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: friendos and enemies, enemies, Um, A lot of enemies listen

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Speaker 1: to this pod. A lot of enemies listen to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Reinhard Hydrick, fan of the pod, fan

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Speaker 1: of the pods from hell on his zooon, I love

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Speaker 1: you so evil. He has a zoom. Yeah great, the

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Speaker 1: level of evil that we can't even father. Hitler's there

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Speaker 1: on like an iPod original being like technology. It runs

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Speaker 1: on Linux. Yeah, I love this. Hitler as a Microsoft chauvinist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. That's the big split in the Nazi party

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Speaker 1: in Hell. It's between like the Microsoft and then like

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Speaker 1: the Strasser rights who go for Linux. Right, you got

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Speaker 1: a diamond joke. It only holds twelve songs and that's

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Speaker 1: all you need. Anything more? Is Vanity best MP three

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Speaker 1: play on the market. Alright, Well that's the end of

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Speaker 1: the episode. We'll be back on Thursday to just a

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Speaker 1: lot of genocide coming on Thursday. Very fun, all right, bam.