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Speaker 3: They lose their ability to check off on each other.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's always really scary. You never know

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Speaker 3: up we over weeks, over months, helping people heal wounds,

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Speaker 4: And for what.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Weedian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. We

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Speaker 5: have a jam packed episode this week from the current

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Speaker 5: situation which that benefits being revoked, to learning more about

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Speaker 5: the different types of protests and how to effectively protest.

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Speaker 5: But first Unhouse news this week, we're out in the

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Speaker 5: field in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles. On November one, twenty

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Speaker 5: access to SNAP benefits they relied on to sustain themselves

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Speaker 5: and survive. Be Housed and unhoused alike have been severely affected,

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Speaker 5: but the unhoused, as we discussed before, have an extra

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Speaker 5: layer of hardship when losing these benefits. Unhoused people starve

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Speaker 5: at a higher rate while living in the street because

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Speaker 5: of the social antipathy to them, and do not always

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Speaker 5: clear immediately when local food pantries and mutual aid efforts

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Speaker 5: the beginning of November as millions needed to find new

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Speaker 5: sources of reliable food. I witnessed this first time when

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Speaker 5: I went to the Jaytown Action and Solidarity power up

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Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, we are bracing ourselves for a SNAP getting

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Speaker 6: cut off. It seems like it's yeah, you're right, it's

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Speaker 6: it's led by Trump, but it's a it's a two

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Speaker 6: party ratchet effect because Trump will will take away services

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Speaker 6: and you see he's cutting things. And then what the

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Speaker 6: Democrats do is they come back and they're not five

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Speaker 6: forgetting everything back. They're just you know, they'll run on

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Speaker 4: It's like the lesser of too Evil talk all over again.

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Speaker 5: And I think you read a wear a good point

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Speaker 5: because if you've seen during all of this regime, of

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Speaker 5: the Trump regime, that's been atrocious policies going on, and

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Speaker 5: there's been a dribs and drafts of Democratic politicians speaking

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Speaker 1: Do you see with this so far? What's going on now?

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Speaker 5: Have you seen an influx or i uptick of people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we do. I just noticed talking about it a

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Speaker 6: Like the last few weeks, we've been seeing a lot

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Speaker 6: We know people in the community and they spread the word,

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Speaker 6: So yeah, we are meeting a lot of new people

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Speaker 6: As much as Karen Bass wants to talk about bringing

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Speaker 4: We're seeing the opposite. We are not seeing.

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Speaker 6: People being put inside safe We are seeing sweeps continue.

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Speaker 6: We are lucky to have all Power Clinic here today

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Speaker 4: The stuff with snap it's just it's it's more sort

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Speaker 6: We have to build up these networks ourselves because they're

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Speaker 4: Trump is getting rid of everything.

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Speaker 6: We can't have faith in the Democrats to restore things.

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Speaker 6: It's just we are constantly losing our social safety that

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Speaker 4: We have to build it ourselves.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing as well, is, like I mentioned earlier

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Speaker 5: stereotypes about people of color and usually that what I've noticed,

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Speaker 5: But what they deliberately overlook, which I mentioned in one

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Speaker 5: So if there's anything to be learned from this incident

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Speaker 6: I mean we see time and time again, these things

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Speaker 6: to poor people, to black and brown people, those things,

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Speaker 6: These things are turned on all of us and we

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Speaker 6: This thing that was just supposed to be meant for

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Speaker 4: To be weaponized. These things are going to be weaponized.

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Speaker 6: Over everybody, and it's it's it's really it's that's when

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Speaker 6: we talk about class war. This thing is class war

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Speaker 6: our discriminations, our racism, our white supremacy, are our capitalists

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Speaker 4: That's what we're having right now.

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Speaker 6: Is is I think a nationwide like effect. It's the

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Speaker 6: poverty is creeping up into the professional class. It's creeping

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Speaker 6: It kind of made and didn't have to worry about

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Speaker 6: these things. Like you said, federal workers are finding themselves

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 5: Is there anything that someone could do to be able

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Speaker 5: to donate or to contribute to your mutually?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely. You can check us out on our Instagram page.

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Speaker 6: We are we like to make merch because we know

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Speaker 4: Are We have different skills, different tasks that we like

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Speaker 4: to make little things to give back. So yeah, you can.

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Speaker 6: Check out our our website, our Instagram page, Jay Town

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Speaker 6: Action and Solidarity, and then people can connect to volunteer,

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Speaker 6: you can connect just to donate. We're here every Saturday

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Speaker 6: on First and Judge Isa Street two to five. We

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Speaker 6: since the since the shelter in place order from pandemic.

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Speaker 4: We haven't stopped. We're not going to stop.

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Speaker 6: This is something that is continual and like I said,

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Speaker 6: we're trying to build community power here.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Zin had to say.

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Speaker 7: You know, no, thanks THEO for coming to this power

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Speaker 7: up and talking about.

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Speaker 8: All of this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is never enough. It wasn't ever enough, and

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Speaker 7: And they're going to means test it right like, and

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Speaker 7: So we all really need to unite against these people

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Speaker 7: who don't give us shit about about us, about people

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Speaker 7: who go hungry. You know, we can fund wars, we

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Speaker 7: can fund the police. What is it, nine million dollars

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Speaker 5: And fifty thousand bonus for I used to run up

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Speaker 5: and terrorize your neighborhood exactly.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, we really have to come together and you know,

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Speaker 7: the fault of the system. It's the fault of capitalism.

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Speaker 7: It's systemic failures that need to be overturned immediately. And

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Speaker 7: I really hope that everyone understands who the real enemy is, right,

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Speaker 7: it's not each other. Things are going to get really stressful,

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Speaker 7: Things are going to get really tight, they already are,

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Thanks to Mario and Zen for

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Speaker 5: returning to the show and sharing their perspective on the crisis.

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Speaker 5: For more information on Jaytown Action and solidarity, please check

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Speaker 5: out the links in the description. Those interviews were conducted

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Speaker 5: on the first day of SNAP benefits shut down, and

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Speaker 5: things have only continued to escalate. Here's how it began

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Speaker 5: November eleven, twenty twenty five. Number One, President Trump and

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Speaker 5: Republicans threatened and bragged about starving over forty two million

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Speaker 5: two it took federal courts to force Trump to pay

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Speaker 5: I'm THEO Henderson. My guest today is doctor Gloria J.

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Speaker 5: previous book is She Took Justice. The Black Woman, a

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Speaker 5: Let us welcome Professor Brown Marshall, and we're going to

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Speaker 8: Thank you, and I'm so glad to be here.

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Speaker 8: Well, my current book is a protest history of the

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Speaker 5: I think that's what you made A very good point

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Speaker 8: And it's so true. It's like people have decided and

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Speaker 8: We've got over two hundred and fifty years worth of

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Speaker 5: But I want to bring it also to today because

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Speaker 5: They're lazy that, or they just don't want to work,

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Speaker 5: because they can't stop it. They can give a quick

439
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: stop gap, they have the funding, but they refuse to

440
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: and the President refuses to talk about these conversations. My

441
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: program is called Weedy and House. I created this program

442
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 5: when I was living on the streets for over eight years,

443
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 5: and I created it talking about my story, talking about

444
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 5: friends that were living on the street, and then communities

445
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 5: that were living in displaced in other areas, not only

446
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 5: just in Los Angeles, but also outside of Los Angeles

447
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 5: as well as now internationally that people are displaced or

448
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: hungry or fleeing displacement.

449
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: To talk about it, So, protests is always.

450
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Speaker 5: Going to be one of the things that we need

451
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: to do to bring attention. But I wanted to see

452
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 5: what can we do. What would you suggest that would

453
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: be an effective protest? But like I said, with the

454
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: guidance not only just agitating or disrupting, but also getting

455
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Speaker 5: your message.

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Speaker 8: Across, well, two things come to mind. One and that's

457
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 8: why I said my book of protests. History of the

458
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 8: United States is a history book. Four Today, too often

459
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 8: we say, well, what can we do today? If we

460
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 8: look at history, it can teach us so much. The

461
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 8: tent cities now, whether or not it was the tent

462
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 8: cities that were the ten cities of the early nineteen

463
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Speaker 8: hundreds for the veterans who formed ten cities in Washington,

464
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Speaker 8: d c. Because the government did the same thing, refuse

465
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 8: to give them the money that they felt they deserve

466
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 8: to have, and so they built tent sittings to become

467
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 8: aware that you're not going to disappear us, you know.

468
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 8: And this is where disruption comes in, because if people

469
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 8: can oppress and comfort, why would they stop oppressing. So

470
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 8: then that means we have to make oppression uncomfortable. And

471
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 8: so what are the ways in which we can make

472
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 8: oppression uncomfortable? One, you have to be able to see

473
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 8: the oppressed, and so that means we have to be

474
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 8: visible to these people. And too often these protests are

475
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 8: taking place in front of city Hall on the weekend.

476
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 8: Nobody's at work. Then the protest should be there during

477
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 8: the day when these people have to go around the protesters,

478
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 8: they have to see them, and we have to think

479
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 8: about where can you go to actually be seen? The

480
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 8: other thing coming from the civil rights movement, where can

481
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 8: you go to sit in? Do you have to wait

482
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Speaker 8: until November first? Who said that? You know? You can also?

483
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 8: I mean November first, it's tomorrow, But November first doesn't

484
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 8: have to be the only day. So if you think

485
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 8: about sit ins, where can you sit in? If they're

486
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 8: expecting you to sit in at your local grocery store,

487
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 8: why not sit in at one of those nice, nice

488
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 8: grocery stores, you know, whether or not it's the Trader

489
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 8: Joe's or the other high end grocery stores.

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Speaker 4: You know.

491
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Speaker 8: Don't come in all at once, come in like a

492
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Speaker 8: few at a time. Remember how they used to the

493
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 8: Civil rights movement. You wore your nice clothes going in.

494
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 8: Have somebody with the camera. People can then be this

495
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 8: for those people or lawyers. You could be the one.

496
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 8: If somebody gets arrested, you're ready to get them out.

497
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 8: You have other people who can be part of the protests.

498
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 8: They have the bad money, so they stay another place.

499
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 8: The telephone numbers are there, called them. That's how you

500
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 8: get bonded out of jail. If they decide to arrest

501
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 8: where is a good place to disrupt in front of

502
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 8: the cash register, you know where the checkout stand is,

503
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 8: how long? And make sure us during the day and

504
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 8: so have somebody else there who's got their phone to

505
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 8: film it all so it can go online just in

506
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 8: case people want to say other things happen, you know,

507
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 8: want to make sure that it's recorded. So if you

508
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 8: start thinking about the sit in and people aren't even

509
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 8: using the city in right now because they always go, oh,

510
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 8: that happened back, then, know the sit in is something

511
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 8: that can be happening right now to bring attention and

512
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 8: to disrupt in a non violent way. And you have

513
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 8: to make sure the people who are with you are

514
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 8: those who have decided this is a non violent protest.

515
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 8: You also have to figure out who could be arrested

516
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 8: and who should not be arrested, because a person who

517
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 8: should not be arrested maybe they're the ones with the

518
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 8: camera and they're in the eye and they pretend like

519
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 8: they're just a shopper recording everything that's happening. And as

520
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 8: I said this, one person who did a sit in

521
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 8: at a grocery store told me their sit in got

522
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 8: stopped because they all came in at once, so don't

523
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 8: all come in at once. You know, maybe two here,

524
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 8: one there, different parts. Then it's coordinated at a certain time,

525
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 8: you know, singing, we shall overcome, sit down and decide

526
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Speaker 8: how long you're going to be there. It's going to

527
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 8: be an hour sitting. You know. When they say we're

528
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 8: going to call the police. When the police arrive, it's like, well,

529
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 8: they're going to give you a warning. The security guard

530
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 8: is going to be there first, you know, and say

531
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 8: you can't do this or whatever. That's where the tactics

532
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 8: come in. And everybody's got a role. The person who's

533
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 8: got the bond money, the person who's got the lawyers,

534
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 8: the people who can drive the folks there. You have

535
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 8: to think about who's got the singing voice. I know

536
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 8: I always wanted to have that protest strong singing voice.

537
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 8: That's not me, okay, but you need that person who's

538
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 8: going to keep the morale up and keep the spirit going.

539
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 8: I went to a protest, I started the chant, people

540
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 8: started chant. I started the chant, people started a chat.

541
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 8: I didn't chant. Nothing happen. And I'm thinking, am I

542
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 8: the only person in this protest who knows how to

543
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 8: carry a chance? You know, It's like they are basic

544
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 8: parts of protests that you're looking at that you need to, like,

545
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 8: after the protest is over, where do you gather to debrief,

546
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 8: what went right, what went wrong? Who are your allies,

547
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 8: what do you need to do differently, where's the next place?

548
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 8: And plan it out so that they don't know where

549
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 8: you're going to go next. So this is just one way,

550
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 8: is what I'm saying, that you could bring protests into

551
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 8: the twenty first century, and of course using social media,

552
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 8: put that video on social media, try to get it

553
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 8: out to as many places as possible, to get other

554
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 8: people around the country to also start looking at sit ins.

555
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 8: And if these grocery stores aside they're going to close

556
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 8: their doors, that means they're also going to lose money.

557
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you for that, because I wanted to

558
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: like also just bringing home to that there's a sense

559
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: of hopelessness and sense of fear, but that's with any injustice,

560
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: because that's one thing I've noticed when I've been out there,

561
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 5: that that's always going to be that you're going to

562
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: have to overcome that, You're going to have to understand

563
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: your limitations, but also your strengths. Is what you have

564
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: basically summarized and which did it effectively, which brings me.

565
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Into another question. I hope you don't mind.

566
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Speaker 5: Wouldn't you say that we did do the diverse forms

567
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 5: of protests? And I have to ask, do you believe

568
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: that activism is intersectional?

569
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Speaker 8: I believe activism for me, as a black woman is

570
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 8: definitely intersectional. I mean it's intersectional around race because it's like,

571
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 8: there are things that happened to me because I am

572
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Speaker 8: a black woman. I just came back from France and

573
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 8: you know, and I was there and there were you know,

574
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 8: because I'm black. I go into the sauna at my

575
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 8: hotel of this high end hotel, all the white people leave. Okay,

576
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 8: you know, going to the steam room, all the white

577
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 8: people leave. This is something that happens here in the

578
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 8: United States as well. Yes, you know, you go into

579
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 8: the pool and the white people get out of the pool.

580
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 8: You know, this is old. All of this now, Is

581
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 8: it because I'm a woman? No? I think it's because

582
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 8: I'm black. But the African American woman is an iconic

583
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 8: figure around the world. We are known around the world.

584
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 8: So that intersectionism of race and gender, and that's why

585
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 8: my book She Took Justice a Black woman Law and Powers,

586
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 8: the one that I wrote before this one, and she

587
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 8: took justice. You know, deal starts with Queen and Zinga

588
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 8: and goes all the way to Shirley Chisholm talking about

589
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 8: stories of black women who took a stand even in

590
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 8: the sixteen hundred, seventeen, eighteen hundreds, they continue to take

591
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 8: a stand up to the nineteen sixties and further. But

592
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 8: also you have intersectionism of race, gender, and regionalism. People

593
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 8: don't talk about regionalism. They don't talk about the fact that, yeah,

594
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 8: that you have Because I used to live in the South,

595
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 8: and I know, I had only moved to the South.

596
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 8: I'd only been there forty eight hours. I moved there

597
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 8: from Philadelphia to Montgomery, Alabama. I was there forty eight hours.

598
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 8: I called back up the Philadelphia because there was something

599
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 8: other business had to take care of. They saw the

600
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 8: Alabama area code. It started talking really slow, acting like

601
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 8: I didn't I couldn't understand, And I was like, oh,

602
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 8: my goodness, this is why so many people in the

603
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 8: South get so angry with the people, especially in the Northeast,

604
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 8: because it's like you've got this prejudice against the South

605
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 8: that everybody in the South is dumb. So here I

606
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 8: am being there forty eight hours and you just you know,

607
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 8: this prejudice, this assumption that I must be stupid because

608
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 8: I have a Montgomery, Alabama telephone number, you know. So

609
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 8: we have to talk about the intersectionalism, of of regionalism

610
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 8: and the prejudices people have against different folks because they

611
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 8: grew up or a part of, or like being in

612
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 8: certain areas of the country. I'm a fifth generation Proud

613
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 8: excel Duster, and the Exodusters were the ones My great

614
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 8: great grandmother, who was enslaved, moved from Kentucky to Kansas

615
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 8: in the first great Black migration in the eighteen seventies,

616
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 8: the eighteen seventies. So she arrived in Kansas in eighteen

617
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 8: seventy nine. And we've got the paper to prove it

618
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 8: and everything, and it's in my book Protests History the

619
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 8: United States, and once again, protests is moving if you

620
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 8: want to be treated better, that's why black people move.

621
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 8: That's an active protest. I'm not going to stay down

622
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 8: here and be terrorized by you. I'm leaving. That's an

623
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 8: act of protest. That's why I say we have to

624
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 8: expand the idea of protests. So the intersexualism could be

625
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 8: you know, whether or not a person is an immigrant

626
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 8: to this country and how their experiences could be black

627
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 8: female and you know from another country is the immigrant status.

628
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 8: I mean, all of these things go into who you

629
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 8: are as a person in all of them at different

630
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 8: points when it comes to us, are reasons for prejudice

631
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Speaker 8: from outside communities.

632
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 5: That point is very well stated because of the fact

633
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: that the unhoused community what they are being targeted, and

634
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 5: it's very difficult in many respects to get the attention

635
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: of house people. And when you mentioned the prejudices of

636
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: the regionalism people who have been focusing rightly so on

637
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: the injustices that's going on in Gaza and also the

638
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: injustices of the ice rates and things of that nature.

639
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: To recognize that and you recognize the horror, you are

640
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 5: incited to do something about it. But when you see

641
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 5: unhouse people's homes being destroyed, that medication is taking away

642
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: from them and their vital things that they need to

643
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: survive in cold weather or pirth, certificates and IDs and

644
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: things to be able to type them over to find

645
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 5: dignified housing doesn't move the community as much. They look

646
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 5: at them in a different light. I say, if you

647
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: can demonize the purple, then you can criminalize them. And

648
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 5: that is a lot of times what happens with the

649
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 5: unhoused community. They use selective narratives that they're unworthy and

650
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 5: worthy poor, which is another conversation that I've been talking

651
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 5: about a lot.

652
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Speaker 8: I know, I think you're right, and I will add

653
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Speaker 8: to intersectionalism whether or not a person has been in

654
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Speaker 8: an unhoused situation, because these points of intersexualism look at

655
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 8: the different identities a person carry. And I've known people

656
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 8: who have been survivors, and that survivor, you know, mindset

657
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 8: is a part of their character, is a part of

658
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 8: who they are, part of their identity. But I was

659
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 8: also in Washington, d C. Looking at the National Guard

660
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 8: walking around and once again people they're making them feel

661
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 8: comfortable in their oppression, you know. And what folks are

662
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 8: doing to the unhoused in Washington in different places now

663
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 8: that this cold weather is starting, it's really.

664
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Speaker 1: It's not benefits of being turned off to yes.

665
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 8: And then they're waiting for trouble so they can be

666
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 8: arrested and they can put their like put their pictures

667
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 8: up as as Donald Trump did, and the people they

668
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 8: put their pictures up really should suit. They should suit

669
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 8: for defamation because Donald Trump was talking about calling them

670
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 8: murderers and all of this, and they they actually had

671
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 8: a picture of a gentleman who.

672
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 9: Had a driving while drunk arrest and they had him

673
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 9: in this and was calling him with this picture up there,

674
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 9: you know, his monk shot and referring to them as murderers.

675
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 8: And it's like, that's the defamation suit right there. And

676
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 8: also all the pictures were black people. Every picture they

677
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 8: used when they handed out the materials to the reporters

678
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 8: for the briefing, we're all black, as though there was

679
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 8: no white person who was drinking driving. What people need

680
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 8: to understand very importantly, so the issues that gave rise

681
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 8: to the disproportionate number of unhoused among the African American

682
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 8: and other people of color. You know, this has been

683
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: generational in building. Yes, and as soon as we started

684
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 8: getting somewhat of a little tiny foothold into the economy,

685
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 8: now you see what's happening.

686
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: When we come back more with doctor Brown Marshall, welcome

687
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: back to Wittia and howse Antheo Henderson. Let's get back

688
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: into my conversation with doctor Brown Marshall.

689
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 8: The backlash to take away those federal jobs. You know,

690
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 8: it's like undermining the unions, all the ways in which

691
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 8: black communities and other communities that had been working class

692
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 8: were trying to build their way up educationally, undermining the HBCUs,

693
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 8: undermining the other ways in which people can pay for

694
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 8: their schooling. You know, all of this is something they're doing,

695
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 8: but they're targeting black people. And the reason why is

696
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 8: because Barack Obama was a two term black president. Barack

697
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 8: Obama received the Nobel Prize. And that's why this guy

698
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 8: wants a Nobel Pride just because Barack Obama had it.

699
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 8: And I wouldn't be surprised if he applied to him

700
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 8: didn't get into Columbia University and Harvard, And that's why

701
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 8: he's going after those two schools. But also that a

702
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 8: black woman stood to to toe to him on the

703
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 8: world stage. And it's almost as though if I was

704
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 8: in the room, I would tell you it would be

705
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 8: like they said, how did these black people get to

706
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 8: this position? And everything every path that led up to

707
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 8: their success, every ladder they climbed, We're going to pull

708
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 8: down the ladder, burn it to a crisp and burn

709
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 8: the ashes so that they will never be able to

710
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 8: rise up again. And once again, look at history, this

711
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 8: has happened twice before, three of actually three times before.

712
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 8: First when black men gain the right to vote after

713
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 8: eighteen seventy, and there were black male politicians and state, local,

714
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 8: federal offices, and what they did, the poll tax, the

715
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 8: Grandfather Clause, the literacy tests in eighteen ninety it was

716
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 8: like black cobs. All of this then, of course, rampant violence,

717
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: no prosecutors prosecuting, no judges doing anything, you know, lynchings,

718
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 8: everything else.

719
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: Why ugly losses, Yes.

720
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 8: Because they wanted to stop the progress. You go back

721
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 8: to the red Summer of nineteen nineteen once again, all

722
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 8: that that they had done, we started to build our

723
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 8: way up. Nineteen nineteen comes you start to see raids

724
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 8: on black communities across the country. What happened with Rosewood,

725
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 8: what happened with Tulsa, Oklahoma, thriving communities. They came in,

726
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 8: burned them down, East Saint Louis burned it down. So

727
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 8: you'll see this happen again and again in this country.

728
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 8: As soon as black people start rising up, the first

729
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 8: thing they want to do is like the so called

730
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 8: put them in their place is to destroy all of

731
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 8: that progress through unfair laws and violence. And so the

732
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 8: unhoused they want us to be. This is what And

733
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 8: I heard this, so I'm going to say this is

734
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 8: antecdotal some of these farmers who are now suffering as well.

735
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 8: When some of these farmers said, well, you drove away

736
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 8: all the Latinos who are working, but you promised us,

737
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 8: So some conversation happened. You promised us black people would

738
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 8: be the ones put in these jobs. So that's what

739
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 8: they're trying to do. They're trying to take away everything

740
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 8: and force these black people into the jobs that Latinos

741
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 8: had who were undocumented in others, so that we will

742
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 8: go back and to become this perpetual labor class. So

743
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 8: that's what they want to do. And if they can't

744
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 8: force us into these they're going to force us into

745
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 8: the prisons.

746
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the next thing.

747
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna tell you this is and I'll like

748
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 8: channel down with this because you don got me excited, Okay,

749
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 8: to be unhoused. Is this sense of now we're under

750
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 8: their control. Yes, and that's what they want. They want

751
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 8: to control black people and that's been something they've wanted

752
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 8: from the very beginning, and we've navigated such hostilities. And

753
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that that all folks want things that way,

754
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 8: but there're too many quiet people. Is Martha the King

755
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 8: said it was the silence of the good people, that

756
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 8: he was so stunned by the silence of the good people.

757
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 8: And then you said something that's very important too, about

758
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 8: how many things you said are very important, but also

759
00:43:53,360 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 8: how those folks expect black people to be unhoused. Absolutely

760
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 8: so that intersectionalism again, how it's like the expectation is

761
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 8: we're supposed to have less, and if we have as

762
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 8: much or equal, then nature is off balance in some

763
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 8: weird way. And when we talk about our issues, oh, yes,

764
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 8: you're supposed to have issues, but what about this person?

765
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 8: What about that person? Is always this assumption of deficit.

766
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 8: We're always supposed to have less, and that's why people

767
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 8: become numb to it.

768
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: Another thing too, one of the things that from my

769
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 5: own experience of being displaced out on the street. And

770
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 5: I am a college graduate and I was an educator.

771
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: I taught middle school and high school.

772
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 5: To show the stereotype when I would tell people be

773
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 5: they will be so surprised. And then you know, when

774
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 5: I started tutoring other students that or people when I

775
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 5: was living on the street, they couldn't reconcile the idea

776
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: that I was educated living on the streets and I

777
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: wasn't what like with Donald Trump did with his executive order,

778
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: which really ticks me off. It's like this, it's just

779
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: this insiduous game that they played. He wrote this executive

780
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: order and he basically said that unhoused people are mentally

781
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: ill or on substant usage or both, and he made

782
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 5: it he framed it in such a way to give

783
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: license to people to run out there to attack and

784
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 5: raid unhoused people. Yes, And the thing with it is

785
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 5: they have like eis you go to treatment or you

786
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: go to a shelter, And there's so many complicated nuances

787
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: with this, and I take you to moment.

788
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just take a moment. I got me excited.

789
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 5: Like, for example, the people that are fleeing domestic abuse, Yes,

790
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 5: if they have a boy and a girl, they may

791
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 5: not be able to go to a shelter because they

792
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: have an opposite sex child, So they have to stay

793
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: in their car, or they have to find because Not

794
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 5: every shelter is equitable, not every shelter is going to

795
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 5: be magnanimous and open the doors to you or if

796
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: a car through. But most importantly, the thing that really

797
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 5: annoys me about it is how it's always framed. It

798
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: is always framed that unhoused people are going to jump

799
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: out at your poor children, or it has the sinister

800
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 5: what I have here in Los Angeles Week, I call

801
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 5: it to do Jim Crow. It is forty one to eighteen,

802
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: and the message behind it, what they hide behind, is

803
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 5: that at any moment that unhoused person that's displaced is

804
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 5: going to jump out at house people and take them

805
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: and do all these deferious things. But the code is

806
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: simply this. It is against the law for unhoused people

807
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: to sit, sleep, or lie near the sign of a

808
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 5: Jim Crow type sign that they're within one hundred mediars

809
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 5: of it.

810
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: It could be from a school, it could be from

811
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: a church, it could be from whatever.

812
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: If the city or the neighborhood does not want on

813
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: the house people around, they have the right then to

814
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: arrest and jail unhoused people. It is a felony, a

815
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: six year felony in Tennessee to be unhoused on state proper.

816
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 5: If you fall asleep or whatever it is, you try

817
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 5: to survive, you can go to prison for six years

818
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: and receive a felony for being unhoused, not doing.

819
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: Anything violent, just trying to survive.

820
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 5: Now, and I extend to you what happens after the

821
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 5: six years. Now the person's got a record. Now, a

822
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 5: person's gonna have a difficult to get a job. Now,

823
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 5: a person's gonna have a difficulty find house. So where

824
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 5: is it going to end up back again into the

825
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 5: prison system. So it is definitely calculated. It's definitely cruelty,

826
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 5: is the point. And it's most importantly why I had

827
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 5: such an issue with when we have such injustice that's

828
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 5: going on our cities, our leaders or the people that

829
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 5: are speaking out of the injustice that to see with Gaza,

830
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 5: they don't see the injustices and how in city it

831
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: is for us to turn a blind eye to the

832
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: unhoused community. It is also I had a bonus contention

833
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: with when I have to explain to people that are

834
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 5: in the movement why voting is so important for or

835
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 5: African American people, and I just just going my please

836
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 5: to be hearing my footbox he was punishable by death

837
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 5: for any enslaved person to know how to read. Because

838
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 5: if I go back to the time when I was

839
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 5: teaching my students about the time when Frederick Douglass was

840
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 5: sneaking to learn how to read, what happened to him

841
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: the transformation that he encountered when he started to question

842
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: and deeply and analyze his plight and found out that

843
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 5: he was unhappy being enslaved, and found out that he

844
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: had emotions that go beyond just going on his pleasure

845
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: or submit himself to the master who was abusive. Anyway,

846
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 5: he wanted freedom, His souls cried out for freedom, His

847
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 5: intellectrical processes, you know, grew sharper, and he tried to

848
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: make steps to stop, and he did make steps to

849
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 5: eject himself from that impressive system. The point of it

850
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 5: is is that the reason why voting is so essential,

851
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 5: it's because if it did not matter, if it did

852
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: not matter, why is the government. Why are people like

853
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 5: Trump and other leaders trying to suppress it so much?

854
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 5: If it didn't matter, if voting didn't matter, why is

855
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 5: it that they get so upset and targeting black communities

856
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 5: or poor communities in order for them to not be

857
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 5: able to vote if it didn't matter, it matters. It's

858
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 5: because they know that that is the lynchpin from oppression

859
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: to freedom, and they know that when you get the

860
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: right person in there to open the door and speak

861
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 5: out against those injustices that cannot be ignored. They're going

862
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: to try to silence it. But know if you get

863
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 5: enough momentum, going to think the impressive regime or depressive

864
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 5: law or whatever code that they have can be overturned.

865
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 5: So that's one of the things that really has been

866
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 5: a bone of contention when I see other activists are

867
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 5: saying don't vote, or is what's the point of voting?

868
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: Or an ice cube or some celebrity saying that both

869
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: sides are you know, it's it's like you don't understand

870
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: the weight that that is so dismiss it so abjectly

871
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: just out of turn. It's problematic. But that's my poet.

872
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 8: Well, I'll say I've had a couple of people, you know, say,

873
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 8: before the election, oh they're both the same, Yeah, yeah,

874
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 8: you know, and I'm looking at them going, Okay, is

875
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 8: this the way you rationalize your vote for somebody who

876
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 8: represents pure capitalism? You know, because this this is a

877
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 8: country that sold people. This is the country that took

878
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 8: land and then tried to commit genocide against the people

879
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 8: who were on the land so that they could use

880
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 8: the land for what they wanted. This is the country

881
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 8: that would have workers work in any conditions whatsoever, toxic

882
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 8: and otherwise, and not care whether or not they lost

883
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 8: a limb or died of some type of toxic poison.

884
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 8: They didn't care as long as people actually did the work.

885
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 8: This is the country during COVID that started to require

886
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 8: people to come back to work when they did not

887
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 8: have protections against the disease and co workers there were dying.

888
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 8: This pure capitalism. And I'm not this rabbit anti capitalistic person,

889
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 8: but I can see the difference between the two candidates

890
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 8: back in October and people, whether or not it's celebrities

891
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 8: or actors or you know these black folks with some

892
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 8: money in their pockets right now who want to act

893
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 8: as though you know, we did this to ourselves, who

894
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 8: don't know history well enough, or we could have a

895
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 8: conversation so that I can better help them understand our history.

896
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 8: That black men gained the right to vote in eighteen

897
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 8: seventy with the fifteenth Amendment, the black vote has been

898
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 8: pivotal to the outcome of presidential elections, pivotal to the

899
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 8: point that I have in my book, and I wrote

900
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 8: the book the Voting Rights War, so you can find

901
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 8: the Voting Rights War, and you've seen in there what

902
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 8: they said at that eighteen ninety Constitutional Convention why they

903
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 8: created the literacy test, the pull tax, And they said

904
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 8: it was for the N word. That's what they said,

905
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 8: nobody else, just that they knew how important that black

906
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 8: vote was. And when black women and other women gained

907
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 8: the right to vote in nineteen twenty with the nineteenth Amendment,

908
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 8: the first thing they did was try to undermine the

909
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 8: black female vote because that's how much the black woman

910
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 8: had already learned how to community organize, or had already

911
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 8: learned how to have political organizations. I'd be Wells. Barnett

912
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 8: had a Chicago political organization in the late eighteen hundreds,

913
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 8: early nineteen hundreds. That's how long we've been political organized.

914
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 8: So each time they know our power and strength. They

915
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 8: knew the power of the vote. And I still think

916
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 8: something happened, you know, when it came to November. You know,

917
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 8: I still think there was some voter suppression and other

918
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 8: things that took place, you know, going into that vote

919
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 8: that nobody even analyzed. Nobody is even like trying to

920
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 8: figure out what happened, you know. So I really disagree

921
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 8: with people who don't vote because the black vote is crucial.

922
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 8: I really understand that there are black women who are

923
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 8: tired of being that burden carrier for so many people

924
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 8: and so many groups. We've been carrying the burden of

925
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 8: a lot of folks who won't carry their weight. But

926
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 8: I'll tell you this one part that when it comes

927
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 8: to the vote, and I've been talking about voting writes

928
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 8: for a long time a lot of my careers, I

929
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 8: told you and wrote a book about it. Everything. There's

930
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 8: a saying that one of the best tricks the Devil

931
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 8: ever played was to make you believe he didn't exist.

932
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 8: So if you apply that to the vote, one of

933
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 8: the best best tricks they did was to make you

934
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 8: believe your vote didn't count.

935
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: YEP.

936
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 5: And on that thing, though, too, is like what I said,

937
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 5: you know, there's a reason why that they're so adamant

938
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: about it. But to be totally clear about why many

939
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: people voted for Trump, it was like, I call this,

940
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 5: this is something I say that sometimes people that are oppressed,

941
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 5: they're invested in their own oppression. And most importantly, white

942
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 5: supremacy was the leading cause, because if you knew him

943
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 5: his first term, you can't say that you were swindled

944
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 5: on the second one. The second one because he made

945
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 5: it very clear long before he became president that he

946
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 5: didn't like people of color. But the most important thing

947
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 5: is how he framed his conversations, how he framed how

948
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 5: he went out to Obama, while he framed himself to

949
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 5: making sure he injected the white voice, the white standards

950
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 5: of white supremacy in everything that he carried himself out to.

951
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: What you see now is what he's putting into practice

952
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: of what his thinking was all along.

953
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 8: But here's the thing, and once again back to my

954
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 8: protest history of the United States. People can unelect folks

955
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 8: as well. That's your protest vote. Your protest vote is

956
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 8: to unelect this person. I need to understand why. You

957
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 8: know the Muslim vote was to be quiet. They decided

958
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 8: we're not going to vote for either side. What did

959
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 8: you think was going to happen? This is you see,

960
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 8: This is why a lot of black women are protesting

961
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 8: the protest like Quibbi are protesting, whether that you called

962
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 8: the ninetwo percent or whatever, they're protesting the protests. They're saying,

963
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 8: why wouldn't you vote for this candidate who is smart,

964
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 8: who's hard working, and this is the other choice you made,

965
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 8: You would rather not vote at all? What did you

966
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 8: think was going to be the consequence in Gaza if

967
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 8: you were going to allow this man to become president

968
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 8: of the United States? When the Latinos voted and black

969
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 8: women are like, we're protesting the protests, Why Latinos would

970
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 8: you vote for somebody who talked about you like this

971
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 8: and you voted for them anyway, and now you want

972
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 8: the black woman to be part of the protests against ice?

973
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 8: You know. So black women, many of them are protesting

974
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 8: the protests. But I'm gonna tell you this, and this

975
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 8: is what I pushback has been. If we're not at

976
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 8: the table of these protests, we have to figure out

977
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 8: where and when we want to enter these protests. But

978
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 8: I can understand the black women protesting the protests because

979
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 8: there's so many things that you know, even the relatives

980
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 8: I actually know indirectly a Latina whose mother is undocumented,

981
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 8: and this Latina voted for Trump and now she's trying

982
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 8: to go to an immigration attorney to try to get

983
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 8: her mother from being deported. It's like, what do you

984
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 8: think and what role do you want black women to

985
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 8: play in this? We come with two hundred and fifty

986
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 8: years of institutional knowledge on protesting, so you have a

987
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 8: lot of people who are out protesting, but it's almost

988
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 8: like a community party. And I understand, given COVID and

989
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 8: given social media, that we need to organically form communities

990
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 8: so that we can begin to start that interaction again

991
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 8: because people have been so separated, and so that community

992
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 8: is what's happening in the first stages of the protests.

993
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 8: But now it's time to get serious about tactics, about strategies,

994
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 8: and you've kind of go to institutional knowledge on this.

995
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 8: You can't be learning on the fly when you're dealing

996
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 8: with people who are deep seated in hatred and will

997
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 8: do anything using our own federal resources against us. This

998
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 8: is no time to play go to some experts. This

999
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 8: is no time to learn on the side. This is

1000
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 8: the time for all hands on, Dick. That's why I said,

1001
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 8: it's great that we're coming together in community, but there

1002
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 8: are people we need to have some conversations. Some folks

1003
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 8: are going to have togs explain their behavior that got

1004
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 8: us in this mess in the first place. So don't

1005
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 8: just get mad and expect everybody to jump in when,

1006
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 8: as you said, you bought into your own oppression and

1007
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 8: now you want other people to feel your pain, and

1008
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 8: black women already come with the pain of some of

1009
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 8: these very same people being highly prejudiced. Exactly, highly prejudice.

1010
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 8: There are too many people who are prejudice against black

1011
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 8: women in the first place, and they want us to

1012
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 8: jump into this game. So this is a complex situation.

1013
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 8: But in the end, whether or not we're in our silos,

1014
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 8: we're going to have to figure out we're going to

1015
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 8: get picked off one at a time. We're going to

1016
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 8: have to figure out a commonality here. But there are

1017
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 8: some hurt feelings, there are some questions that need to

1018
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 8: be asked and answered. There are some communications that need

1019
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 8: to happen between these groups, because when I see a

1020
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 8: lot of these protests is mainly white people out protesting,

1021
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 8: and they're partying more than protesting, and they're like, you know,

1022
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 8: having the get togethers as I told you, in front

1023
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 8: of federal buildings or state buildings, that are closed, so

1024
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 8: you know, but they but I know and you do

1025
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 8: probably know too as a man of color, that when

1026
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 8: black folks and other people of color get involved in this,

1027
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 8: that's when the violence starts.

1028
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, you know, there is no such thing as

1029
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: a peaceful protest as a parade.

1030
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 8: You are so right, And that's why I said, I

1031
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 8: can standard organically that we have to figure out how

1032
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 8: to come together. But now let's move into the next

1033
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 8: stage of this protest, and that's disruption. Yes, and you

1034
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 8: have to figure out. And I had to say to

1035
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 8: somebody just yesterday when we're talking about nonviolent protests, nonviolent

1036
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 8: protests one is very unique. And that's why when Martin

1037
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 8: Luther King and others were doing the Mahatma Gandhi that

1038
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 8: I got rusting it was so unique to have a

1039
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 8: nonviolent protest, because most protests are in some way violent.

1040
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 8: But here's the other part the nonviolent protest was the

1041
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 8: reaction to the violence sustained by the protesters is usually

1042
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 8: those within the status quo, whether or not it's the

1043
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 8: corporation or is the government, state look or federal government

1044
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 8: or thugs. On the other side, people on the status

1045
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 8: quo who dislike the fact that you actually want to

1046
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 8: speak up. Whether or not it's anti war protests, which

1047
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 8: is also one of the chapters in my book, but

1048
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 8: it's whether or not you respond with violence when violence

1049
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 8: has been used against the person. That's nonviolent protests, civil disobedience.

1050
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 8: Civil disobedience is when people decide they're not going to

1051
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 8: follow law. So you could have a sit in, that's

1052
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 8: also civil disobedience. So when you go back and you

1053
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 8: see people who were in the sentence didn't fight back,

1054
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 8: But who are the ones who were violent? Those people

1055
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 8: who are pushing them, knocking them down, beating up white

1056
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 8: The people sitting in weren't doing anything except sitting there,

1057
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden, these black students had

1058
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 8: these white people come in and start hitting them and

1059
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 8: throwing them around. There are classes on nonviolent protests. It's

1060
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 8: not something people just wrap their head around and walk

1061
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 8: out and do. It's a philosophy, and it's the sense

1062
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 8: that only black people are supposed to engage in nonviolent protests.

1063
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 8: Then the idea is you don't act with violence when

1064
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 8: violence has been acted upon you as a protester. That's

1065
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 8: nonviolent protests. To have violence used in protests. That's something

1066
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 8: we've seen, you know, these folks do from the very beginning.

1067
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 8: It's been that way for hundreds of years. White people

1068
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 8: have been using violence against people of color and protests

1069
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 8: and other white people in protests. The eight hour workday.

1070
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 8: We have the eight hour workday that was signed in

1071
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 8: law in the eighteen hundreds. It didn't become a part

1072
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: of our reality until the nineteen hundreds because we had

1073
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 8: workers protests, they had strikes, they had sit ins, they

1074
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 8: had teachings what we call teachings now they would have rallies.

1075
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 8: So in the end, there's so many parts of protests

1076
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 8: that we aren't engaging in yet. And then people are

1077
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 8: already asking why isn't it changed, and they've just started,

1078
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 8: they've just started the process.

1079
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 5: Wow, this was an excellent conversation. I thank you a professor.

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Speaker 5: We just touched us just the top of the surface

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Speaker 5: of the matter. But I do believe it is very

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Speaker 5: important in this time of instability, as well as the

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Speaker 5: intimidation factors that are going on with this regime and

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Speaker 5: trying to silence dissent, because there's an active program that's

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Speaker 5: been going on, and I do think this is timely,

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Speaker 5: and I think it's necessary in all of our intersections

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Speaker 5: to understand that from the young house to housed and

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Speaker 5: to all of the other in sections that are needed

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Speaker 5: to understand. This is a pivotal moment. We're on the

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Speaker 5: precipice and we need to reconfigure our strategies and to

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Speaker 5: be able to step out and protest in diverse manners.

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Speaker 8: Power to the people, Right.

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Speaker 1: You, sir, Thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much to doctor Brown Marshall for her time

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Speaker 5: and work. You can learn more about her and a

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Speaker 5: protest history of the United States at the links in

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Speaker 5: the description.

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Speaker 1: Now, thank you for listening in If.

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Speaker 5: You have a story, please reach out to me at

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Speaker 5: Then may we again meet in the light of understanding.

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