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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arms Strong and Dak Katie and he Armstrong and Eddy.

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Speaker 3: We're also still dealing with the environment that Joe Biden created,

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Speaker 3: which was which was depleting those stockholes and not sending

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Speaker 3: him to our own military but to Ukraine. Which is

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Speaker 3: when every time we reach back and look at any

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Speaker 4: Goes back to, well, send it to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, we think this should be these munitions are better

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Speaker 3: spent in our own interests at this point, and this

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Speaker 3: kind of funding bill is going to ensure that we're

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Speaker 3: properly funded going forward.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's kind of interesting that suggestioning the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: War that money and armaments given to Ukraine were not

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Speaker 1: in our own interest, whereas this is I would disagree

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Speaker 1: with that. I think it is in our interest to

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Speaker 1: not let Russia take over a country for all kinds

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Speaker 1: of reasons we've talked about before. But the main thing

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about is that two hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollar asked that Pete hegse throughout yesterday. According to all

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Speaker 1: reporting there's no way that's going to happen. You can't

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Speaker 1: get a majority of the Republicans on board, let alone

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Speaker 1: the Democrats voting for it. So it's just not on

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Speaker 1: the table. So where does that leave the war. That's

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Speaker 1: the way wars sometimes end is you can't get them funded.

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Speaker 1: Once again, quite possibly being a point of Trump should

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Speaker 1: have gone to Congress or made the case stronger to

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Speaker 1: try to get more people on board before this came up.

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Speaker 1: See how more buy in, whether from European countries or

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Speaker 1: from more voters, or from more people in Congress for

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Speaker 2: It's difficult to predict how that's going to play out.

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Speaker 2: It might just be a lesser sum that they get,

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Speaker 2: but it is the checks and balances of our system working.

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Speaker 2: I hope it comes out in a way that we

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Speaker 2: can finish the job in Iran, whatever that might be. Again,

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Speaker 2: there are different goals that may or may not be achievable.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing we don't want to do is

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Speaker 2: pull out prematurely and leave the regime like intact with

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Speaker 1: Well, I assume they're never going to bring us up

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Speaker 1: to a vote. If it's clear that there's not a

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Speaker 2: Look, right right. Well, so more concrete news. US warplanes

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Speaker 2: and helicopters kick off the battle to reopen horror moves.

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Speaker 2: The US and its allies have intensified the battle to

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Speaker 2: sea lanes to blast Iranian naval vessels, and apache helicopters

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Speaker 2: to shoot down Iran's deadly drones. According to military officials,

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Speaker 2: Stepop Operation part of a multi stage Pentagon plan to

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Speaker 2: reduce the danger from armed boats, mines, and cruise missiles,

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Speaker 2: which are more or less halted ship traffic through the

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Speaker 2: waterway since early this month. If the danger can be reduced,

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Speaker 2: the US could send warships through the strait and eventually

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Speaker 2: escort vessels in and out of the Persian Gulf. It

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Speaker 2: couldn't take a while.

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Speaker 1: Okay, six, So we're in an uncomfortable position. We have

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Speaker 1: breaking news, but it's celebrity related. Do we interrupt our

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Speaker 1: Iran conversation? Katie's nodding her head, yes, yes, so this

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Speaker 1: is big celebrity breaking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is on you, Katie Green. I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: You and the donkey are going to be shown out

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Speaker 2: post haste if this is inappropriate.

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Speaker 5: Well, Chuck Norris has died at the age of eighty six,

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Speaker 5: Oh the great Chuck Norris. Yeah, the family says it

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Speaker 5: is with heavy hearts. Our family shares the sudden passing

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Speaker 5: of our beloved Chuck Norris yesterday morning. They're going to

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Speaker 5: keep the circumstances private. He had been hospitalized recently, and

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Speaker 5: they're truly grateful for all of the prayers that they

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Speaker 1: The Grim Reaper doesn't come for Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris

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Speaker 1: comes for the Grim Reaper, but not this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The great irony of his tough guy image, which

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Speaker 2: he embraced and laughed at, is he was said to

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Speaker 2: with it. Yep, yep, Plussy, Armstrong and Getty listened to

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Speaker 2: Chuck Norris. We certainly did when we interviewed him. I

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Speaker 2: believe he was a great innervator in mixing spandex into

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Speaker 2: and I think we all thank mister Norris and others,

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Speaker 2: some of his corporate partners for that innovation. So what

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Speaker 1: Was he he like a martial arts that somehow could

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened? I think that was it? Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was like a martial arts champion. Yeah he was.

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Speaker 2: He was a legit cham Then how did he end

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Speaker 2: up being Walker Texas Ranger. Well, he's a handsome devil

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Speaker 2: and can act a little bit okay, and could kick

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Speaker 2: his leg way uphie in the air. Yeah. Some TV

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Speaker 2: exact or some writer thought, hey, what if we have

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Speaker 2: like a white guy who's super good at karate and

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Speaker 2: we'll put him in a low man drama on the

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Speaker 2: TV back when everybody watched you know that were a TV.

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Speaker 2: It was a reasonably a big hit.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the problem is that the number of prominent

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Speaker 2: Yes, at least a twenty percent drop. Ah. The interesting

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Speaker 2: part about his trajectory, kind of like Bill Shatner, is

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Speaker 2: he became a meme. Yeah, but an affectionate meme. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right.

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Speaker 1: Very similar that people just have kind of a warm

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Speaker 2: And he and he and Shatner both embraced it and

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Speaker 1: Why did nobody do like a buddy cop movie with

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Speaker 2: Too late now, So you're right, Joe, it is too

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Speaker 2: late now. God the rick in the gut.

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Speaker 5: On March tenth, it was his eighty sixth birthday, and

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Speaker 5: he posted a video that says, I don't age, I

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Speaker 1: Oh man, no, he so ray. Chuck Norris wasn't some hipster,

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Speaker 1: trendy beard. He was a beard when it wasn't popular

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Speaker 2: Beard nicely trimmed too. He cared enough to look sharp exactly.

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Speaker 2: Now back to the probable trigger of World War three

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Speaker 2: situation in the Persian Hill, which which we could have

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Speaker 2: use a man like Chuck Norris in these times. Boy,

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna stop. Oh golly, maybe we should just

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Speaker 2: take a break. Probably should take a break and reset it.

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Speaker 1: We do.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting? Diary The online diary of the Son of

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Speaker 2: the President of Iran has disclosed a lot of interesting

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Speaker 2: things about the thinking behind the scenes during these chaotic

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Speaker 2: times in Tehran.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear that we had in our one.

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Speaker 1: There is a flying, venomous spider that's making its way

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Speaker 1: of your hand. It's not quite the size of your hand,

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Speaker 1: but it is quite big. It can grow that large.

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Speaker 2: Oh I can. Okay, Well, that's a dang big spider.

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Speaker 1: So we need to talk more about that, because the

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Speaker 1: idea of flying spiders that are venimus is uh, well,

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Speaker 1: that'll keep you awake tonight, among other things.

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Speaker 2: So stay right here.

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Speaker 6: The President of the United States, he's in touch with

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Speaker 6: his buddy Putin. He's got to say to him, we

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Speaker 6: consider this an act of war against our troops, that

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Speaker 6: you are providing intelligence.

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Speaker 7: An act of war, that Russia is an act war

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Speaker 6: That's true, Yeah, because they're providing intelligence to endanger our

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting. That's Nancy Pelosi. I don't quite get

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Speaker 1: this part of it. Russia is providing intelligence to Iran

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Speaker 1: we're doing back channel, but we haven't said anything out

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Speaker 1: loud about it. That's Nancy Pelosi suggesting we go to

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Speaker 2: But I've heard enough. She just said the President needs

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Speaker 2: with her. I think she's right for once in my life.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we are behind the scenes. But yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: Putin thing is probably unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: particularly on leaders particularly on the left. Yeah. Anyway, more

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Speaker 2: of other interesting developments and fun facts on good piece.

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Speaker 2: Good analysis that came across about Israel and the US's

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Speaker 2: But that's perfectly natural. It's not a disagreement per se.

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Speaker 1: Also allows them to have elections and pretend that they

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So this guy is very handsome. He reminds

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Speaker 2: this guy is very, very handsome, very handsome, and he's

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Speaker 2: got this online diary he's been publishing since the war began.

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Speaker 2: He's forty four years old, he's got a degree in

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Speaker 2: physics as a college professor, and the diary offers a

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Speaker 2: rare glimpse of how Aron's political figures are faring as

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Speaker 2: the war rages and closes in on them, and perhaps

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Speaker 2: an inadvertently mister Pozechan at times takes his readers into

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are into that story

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Speaker 2: Turns out she's a nut. I'll be damned, seriously, anybody

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Speaker 1: twenty sixth edition of the World Happiness Report, which came

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Speaker 1: out yesterday, Oxford puts it together along with Gallup and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other think tank people, and we talk

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Speaker 1: about it every single year and again, Finland's always at

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Speaker 1: the top.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, Finland.

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Speaker 1: The picture, however, shows that the younger crowd seems to

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Speaker 1: be really affected by hours, long hours of scrolling through

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Speaker 1: what they're calling social media, and that's a contributing factor

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Speaker 1: to the drop in happiness the United States, Canada, Australian

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, those in the youngest generation reported an initial

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Speaker 1: increase in life evaluations before smartphones, so it is go

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. So smartphones showed up in the

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Speaker 1: world in like two thousand and seven, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight and became widespread, followed by a sharp.

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Speaker 2: Decline since then. Yeah, well, right, So hey, I think

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Speaker 2: it's worth pointing in and it hits you the numbers

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Speaker 2: and then you can yeah, and a ranking of happiness

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Speaker 2: changes for under twenty fives.

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Speaker 1: The United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand now rank

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Speaker 1: between one hundred and twenty second and one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty third out of only one hundred and thirty six countries.

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Speaker 1: So we're down near DFL for our young people's happiness.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So like the Haitians and the Somalians are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's all right here it gets a little hot in

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Speaker 2: the summer. But and our our affluent youngsters are miserable. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So I think it's helpful to actually talk about the

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Speaker 2: Finland thing a little bit because I think it relates

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Speaker 2: directly to this. Finlanders aren't happier or more cheerful. Their content,

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Speaker 2: their whole culture is no, you don't have much, but

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Speaker 2: you can have a happy life with that. And to

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Speaker 2: think that you need lots of stuff and status to

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Speaker 2: be happy as stupid. And you don't fit into Finish society.

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Speaker 2: We're a tough, down to earth people. That's why they're

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Speaker 2: quote unquote the happiest on earth is because they don't

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Speaker 2: expect much at all. And if you spend your day

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Speaker 2: scrolling through the fakery of the most glamorous, exciting, living,

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Speaker 2: beautiful people on earth and all the things they have

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Speaker 2: and the wonderful things they do, that's like anti Finland.

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Speaker 1: Most Western industrial countries, where it'd be the most likely

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Speaker 1: that you have smartphones in your you know, scroll in

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Speaker 1: the gram are now less happy than they were in

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and five to twenty ten period, with

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Speaker 1: fifteen having had significant drops, significant drops in happiness since

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Speaker 1: the smartphone showed up on the scene. Is anyone surprised

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Speaker 1: by that? No, Well, that fits in with one question

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Speaker 1: that they ask. Most people agree, most people, the majority

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Speaker 1: of people agree they'd be better off if these platforms

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Speaker 1: didn't exist. Isn't that something that we know we'd be

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Speaker 1: better off if they didn't exist, yet can't stop ourselves

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Speaker 1: from participating in making ourselves miserable.

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Speaker 2: Apparently a lot of people. Yeah, I see plenty of

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Speaker 2: as they say, green shoots of a away from technology,

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Speaker 2: away from doom scrolling movements among the young. It's really

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Speaker 2: difficult to determine. Is that like a teeny tiny percentage

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Speaker 2: or is that going to be something that really grows.

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Speaker 2: I certainly hope it's the latter. You're not ever going

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Speaker 2: to find happiness scrolling. You will find it with human beings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get the immediate little dopamine hits from.

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Speaker 2: The old wife, and people get addicted to that.

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Speaker 1: I guess the most problematic platforms are those with algorithm

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Speaker 1: driven by algorithms, curated content, influencer culture, and primarily visual

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Speaker 1: material because they encourage social comparisons.

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Speaker 2: Platforms designed to facilitate.

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Speaker 1: Direct communications show a more positive association with happiness. So

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Speaker 1: what I was calling social media in my head, I've

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Speaker 1: been listening to all these discussions for this past several

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Speaker 1: years having a completely different idea of what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: So that is a mistake. But because I.

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Speaker 1: Thought all of the I thought platforms reinteracted each other

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Speaker 1: a lot was what we meant by social media.

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Speaker 2: But apparently, but those.

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Speaker 1: Where you interact with each other people that there is

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Speaker 1: a more positive association with happiness among the platforms where

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Speaker 1: you actually interact as opposed to the ones where it's.

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Speaker 2: Mostly just scrolling. Yeah, it's more positive, but I'll bet

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Speaker 2: it isn't net positive, particularly among young people.

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Speaker 1: Heavy social media use more than five hours per day

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Speaker 1: is associated with lower well being. On average, heavy users

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Speaker 1: are significantly more likely to report higher stress and depressive

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Speaker 1: symptoms and believe they are worse off than their parents.

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Speaker 2: Well that might be.

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Speaker 1: Has there ever been an example of something where this

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Speaker 1: isn't like there's a ton of problems where we guess.

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Speaker 1: We try to guess the cause of them, and it's

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Speaker 1: like could be ten different things and maybe all all

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Speaker 1: of them combined or whatever. We just don't know what's

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Speaker 1: driving this problem. And this one, though everybody knows exactly

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Speaker 1: what it is, looking at social media makes you less happy.

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Speaker 1: If you stopped, you'd be happier. We know exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is, but still can't get past it for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you it's a huge That's my question.

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Speaker 1: Are we getting past it? Some people absolutely are getting

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Speaker 1: past it. I wonder how many and how quickly that

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Speaker 1: trend will continue.

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Speaker 5: But I well, I can just tell you it's a

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Speaker 5: huge conversation amongst uh soon to be or new parents

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Speaker 5: right now bringing babies into the world, going, how are

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Speaker 5: we going to make sure that this is not what

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Speaker 5: their living situation looks like?

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, that's good. Instinctively, you can just see

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Speaker 2: the danger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's possible that those of us who raised kids

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Speaker 4: with the first like the first round of how bad

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Speaker 4: is this?

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Speaker 1: Now that we all know it's really, really, really bad,

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Speaker 1: the next crowd of raising kids like you and all

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Speaker 1: your friends, Katie are gonna know no way.

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Speaker 2: That may me miserable. I ain't gonna let my kid

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Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, for you know, newer listeners, Jack and

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Speaker 2: I are virtually the same age, but my kids have

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Speaker 2: been grown for quite some time. We had them young.

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Speaker 2: Jack had them later in life, So I like was

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Speaker 2: raising kids just before the what is this? What do

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Speaker 2: we do with it? And what does it mean? Era

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Speaker 2: of smartphones and social media and stuff like that, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: the one you were in the sweet spot of what

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Speaker 2: the hell is this? What do we do? I think

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Speaker 2: you're right. The next you know, cohort of parents is

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Speaker 2: going to be aware of. Okay, the one thing that

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Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen in this house is you know whatever

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Speaker 2: social media danger.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it seems to be agreed upon across all

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Speaker 5: the boards. So instead of you know, interesting, well, and

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Speaker 5: because you've talked about like, well, if our kid doesn't

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Speaker 5: have the phone, and the YouTube or whatever. Then they're

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Speaker 5: left out. They don't know what everybody else is talking about.

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Speaker 5: But hopefully this next round, it seems like we're all

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Speaker 5: kind of like, uh no, you're not getting that, so

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Speaker 5: maybe it won't be what everybody is talking about.

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Speaker 2: Air quotes used, you know. I'll bet there is an

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Speaker 2: answer to this question. Is there a really great resource

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Speaker 2: for parents who want to talk to their their little

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Speaker 2: boys in particular, but girls too, about porn before you

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Speaker 2: think it's necessary, because that's when it is necessary. I'll

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Speaker 2: bet there are some really good resources for that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm hoping it's true, Katie, that.

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Speaker 1: Your crowd that has lived through being miserable from staring

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Speaker 1: at instant the start because it didn't exist when my

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Speaker 1: kids were born, are going to be police it much

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Speaker 1: heavier than it was brand new to a lot of us.

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Speaker 5: Bring back the Nokia bricks Man. You can play Snake,

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Speaker 5: you can text, and you can make a phone call.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, that needs to be the first phone

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Speaker 1: every kid gets. Absolutely any thoughts on that our text

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Speaker 1: line four one five two, Armstrong and getty.

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Speaker 8: All right. New York's Governor Kathy Hochele has pissed off.

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Speaker 2: Had a recent media appearance.

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Speaker 8: She begged ex wealthy New Yorkers who fled the state

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Speaker 8: to come back to support her social programs.

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Speaker 9: What I want to make sure we are smart about

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Speaker 9: is having a system in place where it's not just

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Speaker 9: taxing for the sake of taxing, and being conscious of

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Speaker 9: the facts that I need people who are high net

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Speaker 9: worth to support the generous social programs that we want

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Speaker 9: to have in our state.

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Speaker 8: The translation, rich dudes, I want you back because I

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Speaker 8: miss your money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly. Oh there's there's more from Greg Guttfield.

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Speaker 9: Now there are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.

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Speaker 2: Shut up, Okay, cut me the checks.

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Speaker 9: I mean, just if you want to be supportive, but

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Speaker 9: maybe the first step should you go down to Palm

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Speaker 9: Beach and see what you can bring back home.

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Speaker 2: That makes me because I can't even loosten do or talk.

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Speaker 2: That makes me angry. That was good, thoseill was good.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me I'm not patriotic because I don't want

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Speaker 1: to support your stupid social.

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Speaker 2: Program that doesn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: If you and the horse you rode in on, good Lord,

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Speaker 1: where do you get off saying that, oh, you're not

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Speaker 1: if you're a patriot, come support my giant social programs.

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Speaker 2: Screw you, all right, Michael, play six again, Because she

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Speaker 2: was just getting to the point where she was trying

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Speaker 2: to recruit what zillionaires to go down to Palm Beach

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Speaker 2: and browbeat people that have moved back to New York

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Speaker 2: to pay high taxes. What now there are.

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Speaker 9: Some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.

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Speaker 2: Ah, okay, sickening, cut me the checks.

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Speaker 9: I mean, just if you want to be supportive, but

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Speaker 9: maybe the first step should be go down to Palm

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Speaker 9: Beach and see what you can bring back home because

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Speaker 9: our tax base has been eroded, Like I have to

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Speaker 9: look at the fact that we are in competition with

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Speaker 9: other states who have less of a tax burden on

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Speaker 9: their corporations and their individuals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I was going to be more charitable

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Speaker 2: and say until that clip that she's a politician who

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Speaker 2: understands the mobility of wealth, unlike her populous DIPS supporters

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Speaker 2: who just about to punish billionaires. Than billionaires they shouldn't

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Speaker 2: even exist. Let's text them out of existence. She's like, dude,

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna work. Is there is there another one? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Yet the denser shocked when taxpayers leave, when it

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Speaker 8: was the same Kathy Hokle back in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 8: who told them just to do that.

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Speaker 9: Leave, just jump on a bus and head down to

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Speaker 9: Florida where you've long.

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Speaker 2: Okay, get out of town.

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Speaker 9: Get out of town because you don't you don't represent

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Speaker 9: our values.

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Speaker 2: You are not New.

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Speaker 1: Yorkers, So you don't like it, well, then leave?

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Speaker 8: Well how did that work for you? They did leave,

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Speaker 8: along with your tax base. The only ones who didn't

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Speaker 8: leave are those who are still meaning us. Believe me,

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Speaker 8: if Fox wasn't here, I wouldn't be here either.

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Speaker 1: It's so maddening that the people on the left, they

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Speaker 1: think all their government programs are just wonderful and doing

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Speaker 1: good things.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the politicians know they're not. They know it's a scam,

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Speaker 2: but boy, the voters still believe it inspite of all

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Speaker 2: the evidence of their eyes and ears. God, that makes

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Speaker 2: me angry.

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Speaker 1: All right, We got more in our three Stay tuned,

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty